The Walking Dead "I Ain't No Judas" Review: My, How You've Changed!

The Walking Dead S03E11: "I Ain't a Judas"

Through two and a half seasons, we've learned that The Walking Dead's quality swings around like a pendulum with little urgency to return. When the show hits a funk, we're never sure how long that funk will last. Two episodes? Half of Season 2? But one thing the show has proven is that when it swings back, it swings back HARD. After one definitely not-that-good episode ("The Suicide King") and one episode of debatable quality ("Home," apparently a Zombie Trojan Horse is enough for some to forgive the lackluster first half of the episode), tonight's "I Ain't No Judas" was The Walking Dead at its best, combining brain-busting violence with some great character moments. YEAH I SAID GREAT CHARACTER MOMENTS! I know, crazy.

This episode was all about perspective and continued last week's literal theme of being on different sides of the fence. At this point, we've known Rick longer than anyone else in this show except for Carl. We know his arc, we know what he's been through, we've seen him kill his best friend, we've seen him put his hands on his knees and make painful faces when he found out his wife died. Dude has put on some mileage in the grieving department, and he's changed because of it.

But some of these other characters in the show haven't been by his side. The moment when Andrea returned to the group and found them almost unrecognizable was powerful. She expected hugs and a lollipop party but the group has changed so much since the Farm that instead she was greeted with a PUT YOUR HANDS UP ON THE FENCE and a vigorous pat down, led by Rick. She got the news about Shane and Lori (oh and by the way, T-Dog died too Andrea, thanks for asking) and it's an excellent reminder of how hardened the group has become. The time on the farm looks like a nice weekend at a Bed and Breakfast comparatively.

Through Andrea's eyes, The Governor's claim that Rick's gang is a trigger happy group of yahoos makes a bit more sense as she's not entirely sure what they're capable of anymore. Don't get me wrong, Andrea's still delusional and a lot of the conflict brewing within her relies on us believing in her relationship with The Governor (which I still don't). But if you can overlook that silliness and just accept that Andrea has a fetish for horrible men or is Ms. Terrible Life Choices 2013, it almost makes all the painful dilly-dallying she did in Woodbury worth it. Almost. She's in a pickle of a situation, caught between The Governor and Rick's group and sitting on top of a pile of questionable information. She's a Hatfield that's been hanging out with The Mcoys. And even if she does wise up to The Governor's true intentions, and it appears she is starting to get there, there are a lot of innocent people back at Woodbury who don't deserve to be caught up in this mess even though they're a bunch of idiots. Andrea even fancies herself a champion of those people, and has started writing her next speech. Excerpt: "Woodbury is great! And so are you! Everyone get in here for a group hug!" Andrea's Messiah Complex is important even if it's silly from an outsider's perspective because taking Rick's side just to be anti-Governor isn't strong enough. This is by far the most interesting Andrea has been since, I don't know, ever?

There was more twisted perspective coming from Tyreese's group when they arrived at Camp Woodbury. Think about what they went through. They came upon this sweet prison and were welcomed in, only to be scooted out by some crazy man who doesn't shake hands and screams at imaginary friends on the second floor. Their idea of Rick falls very much in line with the trashy gossip The Governor is spreading, making them valuable assets in the Great Grimes Smear Campaign. Other people who can validate The Governor's lies? That's like a sack of Twinkies falling into the lap of a kid at fat camp. He loves them! And of course you want the giant, scary black dude running around a battlefield with brains dripping from the end of his hammer on your team.

And so here we are, two sides preparing for war, both with new members who have inside information about the enemy. The Governor is doing his best Sierra Leone Warlord impression by drafting kids to his ranks, and Team Prison is fortifying the compound with pallets and prison trash. This is warfare in the post-zombie-outbreak world.

In the end, Andrea took Carol's advice about humping The Governor into post-coital unconsciousness with the plan to shank him in his sleep, ending this thing without a mess except for some bloody sheets. Even though we knew she wasn't going to do it because we have five more episodes left in the season, there was a moment when she was really convinced she was going to go through with it. I don't know if she stopped because she's got the hots for him or because she's not sure who to trust, but at least we could see her thinking it out. It's the kind of character moment this show hasn't had enough of recently, and a promising sign that the rest of the season is headed in the right direction.



NOTES

– There was a lot more bite to the conversations between survivors in this episode. Carl and Rick, Carol and Daryl, Hershel and Merle, and Michonne and Andrea all had good chats that brought their characters to life. See, The Walking Dead? You can do it!

– The ending of the episode went all Sons of Anarchy on us, wrapping things up with a musical montage set to the tune of Tom Wait's "Hold On." Though it worked well, it still stuck out as odd because this show just doesn't do that. I guess I'm of mixed feelings about this?

– Ahhhhh! Give it up for Andrea's American History X and Gears of War curbstomp to make that toothless, armless zombie repellant. That is going to be hard for the rest of the season to top.

– Unfortunately, that scene also featured what was probably The Walking Dead's worst special effects. When Andrea was hacking off the zombie's arms, the wide shot looked terrible because of the weak animatronic zombie dummy who just squirmed back and forth rhythmically. A blemish on an otherwise fantastic job by Greg Nicotero and his people.

– Andrea's hatchet appears to be sharpened by Excalibur or a Ginsu knife. She can slice a zombie's face off no prob with half a swing.

– Haha Noah, the 14-year-old boy with asthma. Haha. Mommy have to save from the Governor's Army? Afraid you might fall and scrape your knee? That kid might become a zombie after dying from embarrassment due to his mom's overprotective whining in front of the whole town. I can't wait for him to die. And Ms. McLeod, take an aspirin for your arthritis and go jump on that 50 cal! There's no room for complainers in The Governor's army!

I discussed this episode with Slate's Chris Kirk, if you'd like to check it out!



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You never mentioned (I haven't read all the comments yet) but Andrea reacting to Rick killing Shane. "Shane loved Rick".
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Well, I don't buy Andrea's loyalty to the Governor either. Honestly, who would you trust: the people who spent MONTHS with you on a farm or a guy who you've spent WEEKS with? Michonne's observation was spot on: she traded a friend for a warm bed. And then Andrea went all: "You guys are living HERE?" she sounded like a cousin who married a rich guy and is visiting her poor relatives! I would have liked it much better if she actually had tried to kill the Governor and then he woke up and stopped her or something. It would have made more sense. Also, I don't understand why characters don't have the conversations we would expect in real life: there should have been a much more heated debate on the things the Governor has done, like kidnapping Maggie and Glenn. I don't remember them mentioning it, just the fact that the Woodbury guys attacked the prison. Weird.
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This is starting to feel like a bad character drama with the actual walking dead being relegated to little nuisances in the background. None of this sissy feelings stuff.
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how long are they gonna torture us with Andrea's stupid faces and naive behavior....please just put a bullet in her head already...worst written character ever
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I loved the ending with Hold On. Tom Waits is my favourite, and Beth's voice is wonderful.
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I actually thought this episode was pretty poor, yeah it had some great character chats but in general it left me cold.

I didn't feel any suspense, there was only one real zombie ass kicking (Andrea in the woods) and I don't think I feared for anyones life once!

In general it was as close as TWD gets to a snooze fest!
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Another great review Tim. On the subject of Andrea's hatchet, it was sharp enough to take out a zombie or two with a single swing but to sever an arm took quite a few chops. I also noticed a few of those chops to the arm shows the hatchet not even hitting where the arm was coming apart. They must have put the intern on that job.
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I want to see them not being so trapped on farms and prisons etc. I liked it best when they were on the move. I want to see them not going crazy by "how awful the world has become" all the time. Maybe just deal with it, kill as many zombies as they can to "solve the problem". I would also like to see more plot concerning the real issue here - how people became zombies in the first place, why it all happened and what to do about it. Try find a cure maybe. I want to see something new than just crazy Shanes and governors.

They should also try to keep some of the cast instead of killing off so many of them for a while since they are such a small group now.
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Wasn't there some talk also at CDC,that in France they came close to cure or something like that? But they lost communication and so on...

I kinda like,that they aren't searching for cure...atm at least. Most likely,some secret science team or some pharmaceutical company(or companies) are responsible for this with their tests and probably some test went wrong or some virus "break-out".

OR..since writers and anyone these days for that matter...they like to go "full circle" and make our "heroes" also cause of problem. Like,when Rick and Shane were there to stop those guys,who were running with car and was this gun fight,maybe those people were smuggling something no one knew about and Rick got infected and he is patient zero. I know, near impossible scenario and really out there theory,but in some parallel universe it might be true:D
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It's obviously a virus and didn't we see part of that when they were at the CDC, not real flashbacks but we got some background info. Also it makes no sense that they would know anything about a cure, none of them are scientists, I doubt most of them went to college. Plus in all this survival when would they have time to look for a cure, they barely can find formula.
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I know that THEY are not scientists, but what I meant was that I would like to see a new plot development regarding this issue. Like what they did at the CDC, but then it blew up and they moved on and that was as far as they went with that... I'd like to see more in that vein.
I think there are limits to how long they can continue this series by just going about the same as they have been doing up until now. Mind you, I haven't read all the comics yet so I don't know where they're headed after the prison part.
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Ok, so Zombies are dead. So they must be decomposing. How long can Zombies 'live' then? Why don't the suffer from rigor mortis? How come they are not covered in insects and worms feeding on the decay? Do all the Zombies just rot away in the end? Is that how TWD will end? Just curious is all.
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These are very basic questions for Zombie logic. Basic, but fundamental...and absolutely valid. The zombies depicted in this show are fairly accurate to how dead walking things should look...but still, not nearly as gross or decrepit. That would take a higher budget than the money-grubbing execs are willing to spend. Look no further than their idea of how a shoot-out is supposed to be done...

...maybe that's why they chose to do zombies. They can't film a shootout worth a shit.
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I guess if they just stayed in the prison and a few weeks later all the zombies decayed away, it would only be marginally more boring than season 2 :)
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Tim, what happened? Normally you are spot on, this episode was dull and predictable. It has literally nothing to offer. Btw, Who buys the bible quoting Merle? And amc stop bribing Tim with a zombie guest appearance! ;)
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I bought the Bible quoting Merle. He's in the south (America's original Bible Belt) and grew up in an abusive southern home, you better know your word. Plus, whether you're a redneck or minority, the poor know their religions and are religious. This episode was pretty off and had more misses than hits, but that Merle moment was a hit for me
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I bought Merle knowing the Bible. For one, he's right in the midst of the Bible Belt. For another, low income families (like the Dixons) are quite known for being religious as a means of escape and also because most families, no matter how poor, often own a Bible. Also, Merle (and Darryl) said he'd been in prison once or twice, and many convicts tend to "find" religion while incarcerated.

What I didn't buy, though, was the idea that Merle became religious while in Woodbary. That made me roll my eyes.
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I was thinking "Bible belt" as well, still I don't buy the "brute" cites the bible by heart type. Oh well, TWD has other problems to fix anyhow, deviating from the comics can be a 2 edged sword and when your writing falls short that edge is vewwy vewwy sharpe.....
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Nuwonda, it's called lowered standards.

Tim is a character whore. And so am I to a big degree, so I understand where he's coming from. However, he is a little off-base in his overall praise for this episode. Hell, I'd say he's jumped the shark in his character...we should be reviewing Tim.
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Review the reviewers! Revolution!!!^^
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agreed I can't understand for the life of me what Tim see's in The Walking Dead. And as you guys said, Tim and I also usually see eye to eye. But man I have watched this show since the beginning hoping it would improve considering I'm a huge zombie fan. Now the only reason I watch it is to get a few chuckles here and there at the stupidity exihibited by every single character with the exception of Carl. His only saving grace is that he is a kid and is allowed to act half retarded given his situation. With that said there is at least 1 redeeming quality about the show and that is the special effects and makeup department, they are setting a benchmark for other TV shows. Tim you are officially under review by me from this point forward. The moment you put "great character moments" (in all caps), and The Walking Dead in the same sentence, you put yourself on The Board of Public Review
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The show's still good, just has some rotten episodes since errr Season 2... with a few highlights in between. Still hoping the writers can deliver more highlights more consistently.
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Last week's episode was much better. This episode was all about Andrea, and I don't like her enough for that. She's a boring, stupid character who in all honesty should be dead by now. She has zero common sense, and can't decide if she wants to be a badass or have a man protect her. And, in either case, she sucks at it. Of all the characters running around scavaging, she was the only one who got sick during the winter. Even the pregnant woman and the preteen did just fine, so she's not really much of a badass. And so far, she has picked men who do not care enough about her to take care of her. Shane was obsessed with Lori and murdering Rick. The governor only cared about his daughter and now wants to murder Michonne and Rick, and actually, anyone not in Woodbury. They'll sleep with her, sure, but neither has actually trusted her.
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Also, there were only 3 zombie kills the whole episode. That's pathetic. Daryl, Rick, or Michonne could each kill like 3 times that in under a minute without breaking a sweat.
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What a boring episode. My main issue at this stage is Andrea, I just don't care what she does or what happens her. Just go away or die already. I'll hand it to TWD writers, I've never disliked as many characters in a show as this one, (and still I watch it). Michonne summed her up nicely when she said you picked a warm bed over your friend.
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Agreed. Everytime she speaks I suffer an horrible headache. How gullible can she be, seriously. If I found a secret room with dozens and dozens of rotting heads in fish tanks and a zombie girl, I'd bounce. Though, you can't really expect anything else from a dumb-as-f*** character who thinks way too highly of herself to be even taken seriously for more than a second.
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Only good thing Andrea did for this show,was that through her we met Michonne.
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And we got to see her ass...

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...just saying.
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Ya her ass doesn't really do it for me. Now Daryl....
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When the writers concentrate on the characters it seems the rest of the show slips away from their attention. This is getting like the second season all over again... To put it rather extreme: did they get budget only for the decors of Woodbury and the prison ?
Changing locations more often would deliver so much more suspense, would bring us automatically in a nervous and exhausting no-where-safe kind of atmosphere that fits well in such a post apocalyptic series.
I'm sorry, but for me the show should definitely have more speed while at the same time still have enough attention for character development too. Both shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
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You have a better zombie story in mind. Remember, this is based on a graphic novel that's still being written...at least I think it is. Can't really deviate too much without pissing off the fans of the core material.
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Can we talk about how Carol had the best plan anybody has had in a long time? After the search for Sophia, I thought I'd never say this, but the show needs more Carol.
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Maybe Carol can see how pathetic character Andrea is and by saying,she should sleep with Governor,she is actually hoping,she tries to kill him and fails and Governor kills her. Win-win situation:P:P
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Definitely. Would've been even better if they managed to kill themselves off at the same time.
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Tim tim tim... TWD has done a good job of the musical montage in a number of cases, most notably the end of season one. I agree with you on most of the rest, though, and when Andrea bashed the zombie's head in I also immediately flashed back to American History X: one of film's moments that will live forever, sadly.
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Slow episode! But then, that was expected since the 85th Academy Awards was in the way. :P
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"There was a lot more bite to the conversations between survivors in this episode. Carl and Rick, Carol and Daryl, Hershel and Merle, and Michonne and Andrea all had good chats that brought their characters to life. See, The Walking Dead? You can do it!" Yes to all of this! This was exactly what had been bothering the past few episodes. They can go crazy action or they can go quiet, but quiet doesn't mean boring or cheesy (I still cringe when I remember Andrea's speech...) I'm really glad they could pull this off! Nothing much happened action-wise, but it was still one of the most interesting episodes this season, a well written episode to set things up, and with great character development FINALLY!
And Andrea... I was so begging for her to just kill the Governor (though I know that wouldn't lead to the epic war finale they are aiming for), but I guess in my eyes there's no redemption for her character. I lost all respect for her. I admire strong, self-sufficient women, and the fact that she has spent 10 episodes blinded about the true nature of the Governor just because they were getting freaky, it makes me just... ugh.
I still don't understand why they changed this arc so much from the original arc on the comic books. I know it might've been slow for television, what with a lot of the action happening only on the prison perimeters (although SO MUCH happen there that we didn't get to see here). But I'm still curious to see how they wrap this arc up.
All in all, a great episode!
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So far, the second half pales in comparison to the first. Was really hoping for the continuing quality trend to keep going up, but it just isn't there. The Governor, for my tastes, is a pansy compared to his comic book counterpart, for one.

For another, and this is really starting to annoy me, how are they trapped, exactly? Whenever the writers like, they can have Michonne run out, sword blazing, slicing off heads like pinatas and not think twice. Can she not continue to do this at any point? Is she limited on her number of swings? And WHEN will common sense kick in to the point the survivors realize they can stab through the damn fence? They do it every now and then...KEEP DOING IT! Make some noise, draw them close, AND STAB!!! I have no sympathy for stupidity. For me, as always, it comes down to the writing. Goes something like this...

Writer 1: I think we should see what happens when our heroes are trapped again.
Writer 3: ...again?
Writer 2: Good thinking, 1. But we should have them kill a few every now and then, so it looks like they're truly struggling.
Writer 1: Fo sho. They got guns, and limited ammo.
Writer 3: What about avoiding set pieces we've already explored all the time?
Writer 2: Ammo is scarce and loud noises attract more zombies! Tension!
Writer 1: Huzzah!
Writer 2: HUZZAH!
Writer 3: What about swords? And the chain link fence? And things that go *stab*?
Writer 2: Ugh...You don't know how drama works, dude.
Writer 1: Yeah. Fuck you, 3.

At some point, during this back and forth of creative masturbation, someone mentioned visual hallucinations, at which point, writers 1 and 2 had screaming orgasms.
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I was thinking the same, and they seem to have an unending supply of cars and petrol to the point where they are giving them away... don't walk back to our nemesis Andrea with all the details of our camp, take a car from our fleet. Why not park the truck that delivered the zombies across the gap in the fence and then do a zombie spring clean of the lawn (yes they may not have the keys but surely one of them can hot wire it)? Woodbury are able to block fortify a whole town, they haven't even tried to do something about the fence.
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In a related event: Andrea left for the prison from Woodbury on foot during the day with a defunct zombie and arrived during the day.

Andrea left the prison with a car during the day...and arrived at Woodbury in the dead of night.

Just saying.
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Think they are talking about being "trapped",because of Governor and his people. They don't know,if Governor has his own people watching them in woods and thus,they don't know,if it's safe to go out,without getting shot.

On other things I agree 100%. They keep making this big deal with guns,firearms against zombies...pardon me,walkers/biters/any other name than zombies, when they should just use brains. That's why Michonne and Daryl are the smartest of the bunch:D They cleaned prison first time around this way and now they just forgot how to use brains again it seems:D
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By trapped I mean, they're all afraid to go out, and have been since they entered the prison. They took painstaking measures to cut open the fence and re-tie it when they entered. This here was a perfect stab-fest opportunity. Still, due to the chain link fence, they couldn't be less trapped in principle.

One more note; the Gov's plan to disturb the prison was stupid. Almost as ridiculous as everyone's aim (otherwise known as the writers' unwillingness to kill off ancillary characters). I get the mentality behind it, but the chosen course of action was hardly redolent of a brilliant mind. At the very least, do it at night.
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Hahaha :) best comment I've seen in a while, you rock sir.
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Gracias :-)
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That word fits this Governor perfectly: pansy!
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Oh and I liked Andrea's "seriously?! that guy?!" moment about Merle.
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Wow, this article surprised me, I expected more negative comments about too much character moments and not enough zombie slaughter; but I agree with Tim and like that some people watch this show for more than the gore. This is what makes it the most watched show on television. Andrea's long awaited return to the group was not what everyone expected, at least not me; I thought it was little rough and uncalled for at first but then thought about it and nah it was justified. That Governor is just too crazy. I like how we were reminded just how long Andrea's been out of their picture by her not even knowing Shane was dead. She had an opportunity there to throw some guilt on them, "Oh Shane died all the way back then? I guess I was too busy being abandoned by y'all and left to fend for myself."
I am aggravated about Tyrese's group being recruited to team Woodbury, argh Rick that badass could've been on your side! I'm sure there will still be some switches though. I'm even expecting some mutiny on the side of Woodbury, maybe some people not happy about their asthmatic kids being thrown into boot camp... And I'm certain Andrea will come around, she was so close. I think her hesitation was more about her not being that person yet: curb-stomp a zombie, slice off a head here and there sure but take the life of a living person in their sleep...? She needed some moonlight pondering first.
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"The Walking Dead at its best"?!? C'mon Tim...you are (marginally) better than that. Andrea reminds me of Dexter's sister every time she spouts yet another over-acted, cheesy speech. Ironically, one is living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland and appears to be far better fed than the one residing in modern day Miami...
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I really don't know how you can make that comparison.. Jennifer Carpenter is hot, she can act and she knows how to deliver a believable character. While Laurie Holden is just Lori 2.0.. There is no redeeming for Andrea, just ... die already..
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Merle is awesome, great character. I think he will be loyal to Rick's group, not because he wants to, but because he has to (to stay with Daryl). This episode featured some great scenes with Merle. He is kind of like the "Sawyer" of the group.
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I like Merle's character but he is no Sawyer I'm sorry lol
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I threw up in my mouth a little bit, comparing Merle to Sawyer? Gah! Daryl is closer to Sawyer than Merle.
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i think the show is getting stupid and stail
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YEAH I SAID GREAT CHARACTER MOMENTS

Tim ... I'm absolutely shocked. Shows (movies and books) need character development. I want to care about the characters and for that to happen there need to be moments when things aren't blowing up, people dying, etc.
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Herschel yelling at Rick to " COME BACK HERE AND DO SOMETHING" best part of the episode, love Herschel
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My highlight:
Michonne and Andrea. How Michonne shoved it in her face why she went with the prisoners attacking Woodsbury was pure delight and made me remember that she rocks.
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LAME! And why does the Governers eyepatch keep jumping sides willy nilly? Like pick a fucking side and stick with it, its not hard continuity people. You even have a series of comic books that made the decision for you!
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... Mirrors. How do they even work, amirite?
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he was looking in a mirror... so comment rejected!!!
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I love this show so much I even like the bad episodes... I can't wait for the entire season to be finished airing so I can watch all 16 episodes together...
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didn't T-Dog die in Woodburry? Then Andrea already knew that, so no need to ask about him at the prison.
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Oscar is the one that got killed in Woodburry... T-Dog got bit closing a gate in the episode 3x04 Killer Within...

Side *note* Tim you suck!!!!
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T-Dog didn't die in Woodbury. He died in the prison trying to save Carol. The guy who died in Woodbury is Oscar, the prisoner.
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oh, right....
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I thought this episode was kind of slow; mostly building up the the inevitable showdown. However, I loved Andrea's prison run. I'm one of the last fans of her, but there were many powerful scenes. Rick manhandling her, her Michonne accusations and when she was driving away. I really want her to redeem herself, but I knew she wouldn't kill the Governor.
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I really like this show but I have to say it drives me crazy that Rick (and to some extent the others in the main group) refuse to expand the group at almost every opportunity to do so. It's just so contrary to reason. Why would they want to turn away a group of able bodied adults like Tyreese's, especially now they are in an armed conflict with a much larger group in Woodbury? Not to mention that the smaller the group of humans the easier it is to be over run by a group of zombies. The writers have done a very poor job of providing any real reason other than general mistrust in outsiders to explain this irrational tendency.
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I'd seriously doubt trust of others would be high on the agenda in such times. Tyreese et al. just turned up uninvited. How would you act if able bodied, blood soaked and hand armed strangers turned up in your, supposed, safe home?! Let's bare in mind that resources are dwindling. We saw the group saying food and arms were running low. Plus Rick didn't know the Gov' was planning to go all out and attack.The original group was larger but offered little resistance when a hoard attacked. Bigger numbers tend to weaken chances of survival as you deplete what's available faster and pick up the more needy too. In a total world of pragmatists, you'd have only warrior types who devoured the weaker groups at will. Though then pop goes the show. The Gov's outlook (psychoses aside!) is more pragmatic and he's the villain of the piece. When Rick turfed out Tyreese it was written as if it was a mental break. The show is trying to maintain a level of morality or it's going to fail to draw attachment from viewers.
I'm reminded of The Road and its end of days line, where humanity devolves into cannibalism and hopelessness. Again, a series killer.
Heroes, for example, came out flying but then diluted its self with too many characters to keep up with and engage with as they appeared less and less. I'm guessing the show is going to keep revolving around bad humans and zombies as the threats. Trouble is whether/when this format gets stale.
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Up until this episode I was thinking that as soon as Andrea learned the truth she would be out the Woodbury door and on her way to the prison, and when she stayed to give the win-one-for-the-Gipper speech I was at a loss. But I kinda get it now, she's not just staying for The Governor, she's staying to protect the townspeople. Sure, many of them may be red shirt material if they had to be out on the road, but that doesn't make them any less innocent, or mean they deserve to die just because they are ignorant. Clearly The Governor doesn't care about them, and Ricks group isn't going to stop to differentiate the die-hard loyalists from the cannon fodder in the group, so Andrea has decided she will. (I won't get into her messiah complex)
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Great episode. I don't think Andrea is as "dumb" as being portrayed. She succeeded in two major objectives in visiting the prison -- assessing the state of her friends, and also warning them of the "army" coming their way. It seems as though, she's playing a game just like the governor, that the writers will reveal sooner rather than later.
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The Governor allowed her to get to the prison (the "scientist" guy told the Gov who then said to help her). It was dumb of her to tell the "scientist" and lucky of her that she survived.
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Tim: Do you know if Lilly Caul will appear in the TV series? Would you do a little research about it?
Thanks
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It's hard to get any info on the upcoming scripts, they really put a lid on them.
All I know is that Lilly makes another appearance in the franchise - which one I don't know, but I would be very excited about Lilly coming to the TV show. I doubt they integrate her in the books for they are too far in the future compared to the moment she "left" in the game. She could also "replace" someone in the TV show, let's wait and see how the story unfolds this season.
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I'm hoping Rick's group do a tricks-an-traps fest' for the Gov' and his crew in the prison. Let's face it, it's full of confusing maze like corridors and "willing" zombies to set up blood curdling scenarios that require "viewing" from behind the couch!!!
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Finally Michonne speaks, a full sentence at least. It was ironic though when Andrea asked her what she told Rick's group about the governor and she replies that she told them enough. Well actually Michonne, you didn't tell them anything, you've said like 3 words the entire time you've been at the prison.

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Well, gee, some of the stuff gets said when the cameras aren't rolling. Or it ends up on the editing floor. This is the case with reality shows.

In case of TV shows that tell a story, it requires viewers who do not need to have everything spelled and played out for them, who use their imagination and know about context and maybe also a little bit about storytelling.

I don't know.

Michonne rocks.
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Sure, but every time on-screen that anyone asked her a question or tried to talk to her she was either silent or spoke 1, maybe 2, words. Asking us to use our imagination on a character that we know nothing about and whom the writers haven't given us anything to work off of, is asking a lot. I never read the comics so all I know about Michonne is from the show and that isn't a lot.
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You can only imagine it was a real slow winter for Andrea with Michonne! But I can't not despise Andrea for being such a grass-is-greener type.
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something quick i noticed- when the governor was talking to tyreeses group near the end of the episode, he told them if they desire to continue travelling they can take i95 i think it was- and that is when tyrese told him they had come from that direction and met a crazy guy in a prison.. so the governor was sending them ricks way.
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rewatch that part, the Gov tells them to go West and NOT to go North and the woman replies they just came from there.
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I second that, that's exactly how the scene went, The Gov didn't want them anywhere near the prison..little did he know that Rick had already screwed that pooch with his crazy hallucinations..
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Good call, surprised they didn't recognize that after they found out the governor was already having problems with Rick's group. The governor was pretty much sending them into a death-trap.
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I think the Gov' was seeking out info if they knew about Rick and not sending them on, as they offered up stuff about Rick after he suggested travel plans.
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i can officially say that Andrea is a stupid bitch!
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Unlike other slow episodes of WD, I didn't mind this one and was actually startled when it ended.

Hey, comic readers, from what I understand that Tyreese actually becomes a good ally of Rick's not the Governor, so was the turn expected or not? Or do we just all assume that he is going to quickly learn about the underside of Woodbury (I am guessing he gets taken in to somewhat replace Merle in the Governor's mind, so gets exposed to his craziness and the dictatorship and the fear of the people a little quicker than the others of his group)

I was surprised at the turn to Lady MacBeth that Carole somewhat took last night, I don't disagree with her, but that had to be a shock to Andrea as last she saw Carole was still in mourning over Sophia.

I actually kind of wonder if one of the big further issues being is that Rick's group knows that everyone carries the virus (or whatever) and maybe Woodbury people don't know that yet (we know the Governor and Milton do)
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The Woodbury lot must know as they saw the Gov' killing the resident who got bit the other week.
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that doesn't make sense. That person got killed because they were bitten - the above comment was asking if Woodbury's townspeople know that when you die without a bite you become a zombie.
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*COMIC SPOILERS*, WHICH MAY IMPACT EVENTS ON THE SHOW

In the comic Tyrese played the roles of Darryl and T-Dog combined; he would have shown up way back in season 1. He also arrived with his daughter and her boyfriend (as opposed to his wife and some random dudes), and the events surrounding them were at least of minor importance and had nothing to do with Woodbury.

The comic also had a guy who pretended to defect from Woodbury, then tried to make his way back and let the Gov in on what he saw (he was chased down and killed in the woods before he could make it, something I half expected to see happen with Merle, chased and killed by Darryl). But here the Governor does indeed have inside info, from two different sources. So who knows? My guess is that Tyrese will eventually find his way back to the prison group, post-invasion, and be a character in season 4.
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Okay, I had heard about him being introduced earlier and started thinking..well, that Tyreese would have known the Rick that isn't crazy from grief and killing his best friend who had been trying to kill him, right? So this Tyreese doesn't have a real frame of reference like Daryl does. Are the members of his group important or just zombie fodder (or just to give us other faces and names of Woodbury people, so I can stop saying hey look its mrs. mccall from teen wolf)
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I think Merle is a mole. And only he and the Gov are in on the scam. Watch (I'm not a comic reader btw...)
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I doubt it. Merle lied about Michonne being dead which resulted in the governor losing his eye. I doubt the governor would forgive him for that. Plus the show has really emphasized the relationship between Merle & Daryl so I doubt Merle would betray his brother.
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I forgot about that. I just thought it was blind rage on the Governor's part since he had captured Merle's brother, and thus assumed it was an inside job. Thanks for the 411!
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Maybe but he was really mad at him for lying about not killing Michonne and I think he traces the whole fact of the attack and people being killed back to that incident.
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And this is why certain commercials need disclaimers (For ex, Optimum - the cat isn't really in the box? Really?? No shit). People are too sensitive.
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Hah hah,I laughed about it too! The whole world is evil now! muhahahahahaHAHAHAHA!!
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My God, you're a fucking baby.
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It may be a TV show, but the whole reason the show is good is that it puts humans in situations we'd never actually be in, ask the producers if they intended for the scene to be "funny" and they'd slap you. The whole idea of Noah having asthma was supposed to be sad, hes a CHILD SOLDIER. Only idiot Americans such as yourselves would endorse child soldiers and find death hilarious.
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I'm not American, you xenophobe.
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If you want to voice your opinion on an article or reviewer, then fine (although you pretty much just named called Tim/put him down...) but before you go shitting on Americans why don't you stfu and stop being a bigot? So all Americans are idiots..really? I take issue with that. What great country do you hail from?
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You probably think the zombies are being mistreated too..
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DON'T CALL THEM ZOMBIES!
That's racist. Walkers is alright, but they want to be called "decreased viable persons". They pay taxes like you and not me and they have the right to prosper and decay. It's that simple.
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good point
What about the zombie kids and zombie babies?
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child soldiers--I think you are talking about other countries and mainly rebels (are child soldiers/rebels still being used in Africa?).

Why are you watching an idiot American tv show?
Yes Americans officially endorse child soldiers in real life! lol, you are so funny and ignorant.

It's fiction! Get over yourself.

...lol, endorse child soldiers...excellent in fiction! Talking about endorsing~reminds me of The Hunger Games.

Hey, you missed a comment where someone joked about the Governor eating the baby:-0
lol
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This was a pretty good episode compared to TWD's other slow episodes... but it wasn't that great overall. I continue to hate Andrea. I laughed a bit when Carol seemingly-out-of-nowhere mentioned that Andrea should sex up the Gov. and kill him in his sleep -- there was a segue into it, so maybe it was her delivery of the line that cracked me up.

I have nothing to say about anything else because... uhhh... nothing else really happened?
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It did seem to come from nowhere, and it further goes to illustrate how Andrea's old group has changed.
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Seriously...
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A casual Sunday in Zombieville.
I must say I actually appreciated the lack of violence (or toned down nature) in this episode.
After the most recent Spartacus episode, I running on empty.
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by the end of the most recent episode of spartacus i wanted him and agron to up and leave, and julius ceasar to kill the rest of them- crixus and his idiot girlfriend are mental in the head it would appear
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I don't watch Spartacus, so I wanted more action, but next week looks like it will have its fill, so....
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I was SO excited for Tyreese joining the show, but what the fuck? He MUST be on Rick's side.

I also miss how they did the prison in the comics. In the TV-show they went all out with the Woodbury storyline but in the comics they sort of built more of a home before that. The exploration of the prison, they had movienights with the generator, kids playing outside, they actually planted their own plants and farmed. I really thought about this when Merle mentioned the library in Woodbury, don't they have pretty big libraries in prisons? Go clear out some more of the prison, find some stuff!

And talking about Merle, I'm not as skeptical as most seem to be when discussing him. There is definetly room for redemption there! I love the character, he have more layers than most of these characters. Considering how much he has grown in Woodbury we know that he can be a hell of a lot more loyal these days! And with Daryl in the prison I think that's enough motivation for change. I say: More Merle!
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I was confused over the Tyreese thing too, though I don't read the comics but I heard from everyone he was Rick's ally. I wonder, though, I also understand he was introduced earlier in the storyline in the comics and consequently would have an idea of what Rick is like when he hasn't been driven crazy with grief (if it was that much earlier).
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Yeah, they met up on the road right after Hershels farm if I'm not remembering it wrong. Hershel actually drove them of the farm in the comics, after the barn-incident, and then they went back and offered him and his family shelter after they found the prison. That's kind of the difference from the comics this season. In the comics they actually gather up people in the prison and stay positive about the possibility of shelter, and after that they get into the incident with Woodbury.
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Worst episode ever.
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"Awesome, an Andrea centric episode." - said no one ever.
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I feel super bad for Glenn and Maggie though. I would have super pissed if the guy that beat the shit outta me days before, now apart of the group and playing nice. I get Rick is doing it only to keep Daryl around but geez dude. At one time I used to love Andrea... ah the farm days seem so far behind us now don't it? I really hope they don't turn Andrea into some stupid twat that blindly follows the Governor for season's to come. I hated her a little less after this episode. Only a little though.

As for Merle... he WILL show his true colors again very soon. He's the kind of person that capitalizes off this chaos. The scum bag that would find a group of people out in the woods and instead of help them... he'd probably steal all their shit and rape everybody. *shudders*

Btw glad Rick is hating on Michonne less. He has been very hostile towards her from jump. But now he sees that they need bodies to fight and her being the badass broad she is.... Its always good to have a number #3 after Daryl. Cause Glenn kinda went crazy last episode and slid down a few spots.

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" I really hope they don't turn Andrea into some stupid twat that blindly follows the Governor..."~~unfortunately they already have turned Andrea in to an idiot that blindly follows the Governor. I keep hoping her character will improved (like it did in the prior season but she has regressed past her prior low points)
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Another solid episode. But it's really getting on my nerves that Andrea is still backing the Gov'. Come on, after what she'd learned about him, and what she'd have learned what was left off screen form our group, she's still back with him and not able to stick that knife in? Gee, can't she be the next one to go down and preferably painfully. I can't believe I'm saying this, but at this point even Merle is highly likable if compared to her. I haven't read comics nor do I intend to do that, but how did Tyreese end up with the bad guys?
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Yeah, Andrea perpetuates the dumb blonde stereotypeto the max!
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This episode was boring at best.
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I have powered true season 2 despite the fact that the farm was boring and I had high hopes for season 3 but its turning out to be really boring after all.

I can't stand Andrea, the Governor or Herschel and the baby was fun when I tough that he was going to end up food for his undead mom.
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