The Walking Dead "Killer Within" Review: Total F'ing Carnage

The Walking Dead S03E04: "Killer Within"

Let's not waste any time and get right to what we all want to talk about from last night's absolutely insane episode of The Walking Dead, "Killer Within": How does Maggie's hair look so good after post-apocalyptic morning sex in a prison guard tower!? I think she may be starring in secret shampoo commercials while the rest of the group kills walkers.

In other news, OH MY GOD. "Killer Within" was so intense that we needed to go to Woodbury and hang out with a psychopath who keeps heads in fish tanks just for a breather. Chaos at the prison resulted in two major deaths, a character going missing, a newborn baby, a kid who growing up way too fast, and the rock-solid leader of our group of survivors crumbling into a crying pile of rubble. A bad day was had by all. The magnitude of everything that happened was so jarring that "Killer Within" felt like a sour season finale. But it was just Episode 4!

I don't want to give preference to one of the deaths over the other because dammit, T-Dog was my boy, but obviously Lori's passing will have more of an impact on the story, so we'll start there. I drove the "Let's kill Lori" bus for much of the past two seasons, but even I didn't want things to end like THAT. I mean, come on! Be careful what you wish for, I guess, because now I feel like the leader of an angry mob who didn't think his wish would be granted. Season 3 had been particularly great for Lori as she transformed from car-crashing selfish bitch to life-saving repentant mother and wife, and a very unscientific poll showed that many viewers recognized that change and embraced it along with me. But as Sarah Wayne Callies said, Lori's pregnancy was her death sentence. A zombie apocalypse is not an ideal time to get knocked up. Honestly, I have no idea what people are thinking when they have unprotected sex during the Age of Zombies. My pal Zombie Dr. Ruth says there are plenty of other ways to get your jollies without pairing the birds and the bees; perhaps spontaneous sex in the middle of the woods isn't the best tension reliever?

But it's the circumstances around Lori's death that made it emotionally crippling to watch. The choice had to be made, and it made complete sense. The baby wasn't coming out on its own without fatally loosening up Lori and putting its own life in jeopardy. If the baby was stillborn, they'd be looking at a hungry zombie baby sitting in a womb full of human Jell-O, and Lori would've died by being eaten alive from the inside out. Lori realized that she was going to die no matter what happened, so she asked Maggie to cut her open and yank the baby out. (I did graphically explain to my wife one way out that would've save Lori but not the baby, but it involved trying to stab the baby in the head through Lori's hoo-ha, which is something even Japanese porn makers wouldn't go near. And then it would've involved taking the baby out piece by piece, but that would've been asking a lot of Maggie and Lori had already put her out by requesting a C-section. Plus, imagine the mess! No thank you.)

The birth was a cakewalk compared to the next order of business, though. Kids grow up fast in a zombie apocalypse. One day they're crawling, the next they're saying their first words, and all of a sudden they're shooting their opened-up mom in the head so she doesn't come back to life and eat them. The Walking Dead isn't afraid to go dark, like Syfy's Total Blackout dark, and Carl shooting a passed-out Lori is about as pitch-black as it gets. Given the bloodiness of everything that preceded Carl shooting Lori, it was wise that the producers decided not to show the actual act. We know what happened behind closed doors, and our imaginations filled in the blanks more tragically than anything we could've seen. Carl's face as he brushed past Maggie said everything it needed to. I can't wait for the future conversation between Carl and his younger sibling when he tells the kid, "Oh by the way, I shot both your dad and your mom in the head," assuming it turns out to be Shane's.

As horrible as the scene was, the entire thing was handled majestically and I really appreciated the real-time panic of it all. Things had to happen so fast that we barely had time to register what was going on. There was only one way out, and everyone knew what it was, even if they didn't accept it. Lori was the strong one, telling Carl and Maggie what needed to be done, and the awkward chat she had with Carl that bordered on corny and sincere felt real, given the severity and suddenness of the situation. I don't have a death speech written, but I imagine it would be something like the blubbering, genuine mess that Lori unleashed. Not everyone on television needs to go out a grand orator with a goodbye that gets a standing ovation. Television loves to romanticize this kind of stuff, but The Walking Dead prefers to rub mud all over it. As a fan of gore and really shitty situations on television, I don't often squirm during anything, but Lori's last scene left me feeling unsettled more than anything I can remember in a long time. I'm not even sure I could watch it again, and I mean that as a compliment.

And just when you thought the worst had passed, Andrew Lincoln had to go and really elevate his acting resumé with some waterworks for the ages and a cry face from the Claire Danes School of Thespianism. I made it through T-Dog's death, I made it through Lori's speech, I made it through Carl's face, but I can't honestly say I made it through Rick's reaction. That destroyed me. You win, Lincoln! If any of you viewers didn't get misty during that scene, congratulations, your soul is already waiting for you in Hell.

On to lighter things! But not much lighter! Poor T-Dog. At least the man who lasted inexplicably longer than we thought he would went out a warrior, sacrificing his life for Carol. There was a lot of cursing and screaming going on around my household when he first got bit, but the man was living on borrowed time. I not-so-secretly hoped T-Dog would be the last survivor and the final scene of the series would be him chillaxin' on a beach with some honeys while drinking some fruity beverages, but T-Dog is now in that big doghouse in the sky, doing whatever it is T-Dog likes to do. Though we'll miss him dearly, he had the best death of the series so far.

So what does this all mean for the future of the group? One of the dangerous situations "Killer Within" presented involves a lot of pressure on Rick. If Rick really wants to feel bad for himself, he could easily say this was all his fault. He left Andrew out in the courtyard but never bothered to confirm his death. Next thing you know, Andrew (who understandably had nothing better to do than get revenge and try to reclaim the prison) was hatching a one-man plan that destroyed the group. For a man so obsessed with little details, Rick will see this oversight as a critical error that will spread inside him until he's completely broken inside. The group accepted his leadership, as harsh as it was, but now Rick's position will be scrutinized as his judgment is clouded with remorse.

"Killer Within" was a brutally monumental episode for the The Walking Dead, which continues to be fearless and unforgiving. Along with Homeland, TWD is ushering in a new school of storytelling in television that ignores conventional wisdom. People will die. This is a zombie apocalypse, after all. But can The Walking Dead develop characters faster than it kills them off?



NOTES

– The revolving door of survivors scooted out T-Dog and Lori and added Axel, Oscar, and a baby. How will that change the dynamic of the group?

– "Killer Within" was about as accurately titled as can be, no?

– Babies and zombie apocalypses do not mix well. Good luck caring for that thing, guys. And Rick, it's probably not even your baby. Do you guys think the infant will last a month?

– I barely even remember what was going on with Michonne and Andrea over in Woodbury after all that happened at the prison. Michonne was snooping around and gathering evidence that the army men didn't go quietly, Andrea was getting a little too comfortable with The Governor, Merle wanted to go looking for Daryl, and The Governor said his name is Phillip and showed deadly accuracy with a three wood.

– Did anyone catch IronE Singleton (T-Dog) on Talking Dead last night? He was adorable!

– Readers of the comics, were you surprised about how this all went down? I never saw it coming.



EPISODE MVP

This was an all-star team performance, but we have to name SOMEONE the MVP. Carl stepped up and put on his big-boy pants, Lori showed an incredible amount of bravery, Maggie answered the call of duty and performed a difficult task, and Rick acted his face off. But c'mon. We all know who deserves it. T-DOG!!!

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what's with all the Lori hating? Can't handle an imperfect mother? One with a sex drive? One who takes advantage of a willing Sex God when she is sure her husband is dead? Grow up, people (and by "people") I mean MEN. Even that boob Rick finally got that she doesn't have to be perfect to be lovable. Did you see the eye contact between the two outside at the fence?? Sure, it was a clue to us onlookers, now anyway, that one of them was a goner, but at the time...
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That wasn't what made people hate her. Yes it was fine that she wasn't being a perfect wife and mother, especially in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. But you don't need to act like a shitty person. She was the whiniest person through the whole series, especially in season 2. Then she basically told Rick to kill Shane and when he did she acted like he was a monster. I did not fault her for getting with Shane when she thought her husband was dead. I don't fault her for not being the best mother during the zombie apocalypse (I mean come on, no one is going to know how to parent during those times). But I do fault her for being a whiny ass bitch and a huge hypocrite. She started to redeem herself in the third season but I still hadn't quite forgiven her. (Btw this is only directed at tv Lori. Comic book Lori, while not a great person or anything, wasn't so goddamn annoying)
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"Andrew Lincoln had to go and really elevate his acting resum with some waterworks for the ages and a cry face from the Claire Danes School of Thespianism."

Fantastic.

This episode was AMAZING. Though T-Dog's and Lori's death had already been ruined for me (thanks internet), the episode still kept me entertained on HOW it happened. Question: is Carol really dead? I had a hard time seeing exactly what was on the screen because it was so dark. Is this like a Merle situation where she might come back?
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Even though I'd mentally written him off shortly after his first appearance back in episode one. I'ave been secretly rooting for T-dog. There is something noble about the way he just keeps on, keeping on in the background whilst all the other characters are going though the dramas. heck, even Carol had more story then T-dog.

A few comments below someone has pointed all the plot holes with the episode. but they even they haven't asked the most burning question - How the fudge did that weedy little emotional wreck of a man a) survive the zombie gauntlet, b) hunt and kill a deer with no weapons (I hate to invoke stereotypes but that guy looked so inner city I'm betting the closest he's come to 'roughing it in the wilds' would be on school trips to the park) c) somehow cut his way back into the prison d) avoid more zombies and navigate his way round the prison again with no weapons all without basic zombie survival skills?

These are just rhetorical questions. I don't really care. This episode was just soooo good! I am still traumatised, I've been watching comedies all day and I can't get Lori and T-dog out of my mind!
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I waited so long to see this episode because I was getting a little disillusioned with the season, and I was like, "Eh, nothing's gonna happen this week, it can wait." My god, was I wrong. Way to bring me back, TWD.



Question about Carol: how did her scarf get on the ground by T-Dog's body when it was clearly on her head when she ran out the door? I find it hard to believe that she'd double back knowing the zombies were there. Hm...
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You make some good points on the zombie bait & them showing up all the sudden unnoticed. Sharp call. Another thing is, the moment before Carl shot Lori, they showed Maggie look into the Hallway to see some walkers shuffling away around the corner, but you'd think that the gunshot would draw their attention & complicate their escape.

With the T-Dog bitey-bit, I invite you to watch it again. It looked perfectly plausible given the chaos & his distraction with getting the gate chained.

With him saving Carol & getting his throat ripped out: Consider that there was every reason for him to resign to being eaten...Step one: Clear a path for Carol to escape. Step two: Give up & let the walkers nosh on him so that they are distracted enough to not continue going after her, thereby increasing her odds of survival.

As far as the attitudes towards the surviving inmates: It's the end of the world & there's no reason for our group to blindly trust outsiders just because their alive...the fact that they're convicts clearly complicated the trust issue because of default societal attitudes towards convicts in general.
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I didn't like this episode as much as most people here. It had a lot of moments that irritated me. The worst one was when the zombies showed up. How can an horde of zombies walk almost all the way up to Carl's group without being seen or heard? Especially when Rick's group was *facing* Carl's group. It was like the zombies just teleported in. It wasn't as bad as that time on the highway, but it was still pretty bad.

A few more things I didn't like:

* The method that was used to lead the zombies into the prison. Why would they walk up to a piece of meat and start eating, and then immediately stop eating and go after *another* piece of meat that's further away?

* How T-Dawg got bit. The scenes when someone gets bit almost never look right. It was like a walker teleported in behind him.

* T-Dawg's death. There were only two of them, so they shouldn't be able to eat him alive like that, unless he lets them and there was no reason to do that. Yes, he was dead anyway, but it makes more sense to start *punching* those two over and over and then blowing his brains out with a gun than to delay them by offering himself as a snack.

* Our heroes' attitude towards the two surviving inmates. There was no good reason to think of them as a serious danger to the group. They would probably be *more* dangerous if they're pushed away than if they're allowed to join.

Still a pretty good episode, but some of it seemed put together in a rush, not very well thought out.
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I think I might be misunderstanding you about how T-Dog should have been shot instead of letting himself get eaten, so my apologies if that's the case. But their only gun had just run out of bullets in the beginning of that scene. If Carol had any, she would have definitely shot him so as to avoid his suffering. If you meant escaping and then getting shot later by the group, I probably would've still preferred the original death. I think the fact that he suffered so much to save Carol made him more of a hero in the my eyes. Honestly, I would have hated for T-Dog to have to be put down like a sick animal. It would have been the more sensible way to handle it, but it would have been such a shitty death for such a good character.
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Maybe I'm being paranoid but are we 100% sure Carl shot Lori? We didn't actually see it so it might be possible Carl was not able to shoot his mother and she's gonna coma back as a zombie-mom haha :)
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But how fucking horrible would that be for everyone? Bad enough to shoot your mam when she's freshly dead and her stomach is cut open. But when she's half rotting and trying to eat you with a huge gaping hole in her stomach while you're still grieving over her death? I don't think even the walking dead would be that bad

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I thought of that too!
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i think Carl wasnt capable of shooting his mom, meanwhile, carol hears the shot, and finds lori still alive. Practicing her new medical abilities, she ends up stiching her up. So when they join the group (after 2 or 3 episodes), we see thats just what rick needed too recover confidence, and his afection for his wife.

So even though i hate the posibility, i truly think we will have to see lori again.
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Your idea to save Lori and not the baby, while intriguing, is ultimately flawed Tim. Perhaps you've forgotten about the heavy internal bleeding, the reason she had to have the C-section in the first place. Lori was peckered any way you look at it, they were just too far away from Hershel, their only hope for surgical help, who may not even have been any help in his current condition to do much anyway. And a cranial strike to the infant, via the Hoo-ha, well.... I can't imagine THAT would help the situation. I mean, the idea is to STOP the internal bleeding, isn't it.... not add to it?
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A women that stays pregnant for more than a year needs to die at some point...



I really wanted Lori out, for a long time, but cuddos to the writters for making the bold choice and not go the easy way out, it was a good idear to change the showrunner, season two was sooooo loonnnggg and bad characters should have died then (even if i like Carol now) Rick was just magestic in that last scene, juste perfect acting...



And blondie on the other side just needs to get what is coming her way, she is a bad men magnet and i don't see how it's going to end pretty... Michonne for president !
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FYI: By show logic, the zombaby would not eat Lori, because it has no teeth, no capacity to eat flesh (and would therefore be docile).



Additionally, in real-world logic, the sections of the brain revived by the virus and responsible for feral behavior would not be very developed, which further decreases the likelihood of the zombaby doing more than wiggling around like a very convincing halloween decoration.
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Thank god, if only Carl could have gone out with her. I really hated both characters, but rick pulled off that crying at the end...sheesh, gonna be a bummer next episode
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Carl has been good this season.
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Lori finally stepped up and became a good mother for the first time in 3 seasons.
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Shame it lasted less than 10 minutes (but better late than never)
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would LUV to have to producers start making spin-offs like all the CSI or Law and Order shows - could have separate groups (west coast - Northeast - foreign location - etc) and they could hop-scotch them - while one group of survivors have string of eps the others could get a rest and a vaca. Each group could have unique problems and different group dynamics - soem could self distruct even. Another wayto keep a fresh face on the show is to eliminate some of the group and then introduce new characters for a stretch - oops! They are already doing that one...
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And I was finding the first part of the episode a little boring... and then it all happened so fast!. This season is defenitely something else.
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Crazy good, sad emotional ep - glad I was watching alone so I could sob a bit. 10/10.
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this episode was AMAZING !

i have to say that am kindof a robot i dont get emotional when i watch somethin ,,, but man what this episode has done to me , the flashback scene was moving but nothin compared to to the last scene with rick crying and all ,,, welll dooneee u made me cryyyy !! i think he deserves an award for this last scene in this episode ,, welll done
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And now Carol has gone and pulled a Sophia on us.
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Daryl can't handle it after the last time, if Carol doesn't show up he'll only leave this group to find Merle.
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LOL ya she did !
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What's with Liam Neeson, I mean the governor :P ... he is really freaky...

When Rick was crying I was crying myself... was really emotional
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Liam Neeson, yes! My husband called him the demented love-child of Liam Neeson and Edward Norton.
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Ah, Edward Norton! There were a few scenes where I felt David Morrissey really resembled somebody, and I just couldn't put my finger on who... but yes, it was Norton!
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lool
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Dam you, TWD - you made me give a solid fuck about a woman I despise for most of your run.

Lorie... boy, did I hated your guts, but, undeniably, you were way easier to swallow in this season, and man, did you go out like a warrior, with your guts literally on the floor! Not lying here, part of me will always detest (just can't help it), but I now understand why the men in your life were all crazy about you.... and that's a plus, right? Gonna miss you alot, Sarah Wayne Callies - always liked you, but boy did I hate your character! But you sure redeemed the hell out of her in the end, and, for that, kudos.

As for my man T... dammit, bro. Wish you could have taken out at least one of your bitters, but I get it - it's quite hard to fight off something that just ripped off your throat... RIP, man - you die a true warrior too.

Frankly, I don't know how on earth Rick gonna make peace with this.. At least, Carl and Lori had that last conversation to share their true feeling toward each other, but Rick never had any closure with his wife... and now, she's gone. I'll have to get back to it, there's no other choice in such a word, but I'm expecting him to be COMPLETELY MESS-UP over this for at least a couple of episodes.I'm also expecting him to resent the crap outta that kid.

By the way... is it a boy or a girl? I don't think Maggie said anything about the sex.

Not gonna said anything about Woodbury, because, frankly, nothing actually happen there. I'm just feeling pretty much how Surette (and most of you, I bet) said he's feeling - kinda lost, uncomfortable, QUITE depressed, and having ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE to what to expect from now on from TWD... and I love it.
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This was an incredible episode.

I too was a card-carrying member of the Lori-must-die club, but to go out like that? Damn! Lori's actress nailed that death scene and went all the way to redeem Lori in the end.

I wasn't quite a card-carrying member of the Carl-must-die club, but I had sympathies in that direction. That said, this season he seems to have grown something of a brain, so there's hope for him yet. To see him have to do this, to put down his own mother? That's just harsh. And Carl's actor did a good job too, portraying volumes with just his facial expressions.

Poor T-Dog was just icing on the on this heart-breaking cake. They never really did anything with him so his death didn't have quite the impact other characters did, but he still went out with style, which is why he got my vote for mvp. Carl was a close runner up though.

I agree that Lincoln's acting in this was top tier, above all the other bits of spectacular acting in this episode.

And now the final question, where the hell is Carol?
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The death speech was delivered perfectly by Sarah. "Don't let the world spoil you" - still moved (days later).
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I wonder what they are going to feed the baby.

Breast milk is out since mommy is dead.

Baby food is out, since its very likely you won't find that in a prisons food storage.

Just water wouldn't be good enough.

So they will have to mash solid food and feed that although the baby wouldn't know what to do with it..



May be they'll find an iv.
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I thought about the breast milk thing too, and then I remembered that women can induce lactation even if they aren't pregnant. So, I mean, if she was up for it, Maggie could do it...
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a woman who has previously breastfed can produce milk by having the baby suckle on her breasts. One who has never breastfed cannot .
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Outstanding frakkin' episode. When I first heard the title " Killer Within"....I immediately thought....Oh Man...Zombie baby.

As Rick was grieving.....that split second, when he realizes it was Carl that put down his mom ....great acting all round.

Really wanted to see Merle & T-Dog have a "meaningful" chat....that would have been fun.
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Best episode of the series!

One thing that was amazing was Ricks reaction to Loris death. Not only did he act the shit out of that but instead of rushing over to comfort Carl he just left him there to focused on his own grief. Fantastic writing directing and acting!

But one complaint: Many shows suffer from the what to do with the Obligatory Black Guy Syndrome and TWD is no exception. T-Dog was such an underdeveloped character its amazing he lasted this long. But what got me about this episode is that voila he just got replaced with another Obligatory Back Guy. Please writers give this guy some substance!
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I was thinking the same thing, even when new black guy first showed back up and made that intelligent and solid speech, I was like "Oh, what is this going to mean for T-Dog if this guys sticks around." I was honestly just making a joke about TV cliches, but damn...that just happened. I really like this new guy so far, so I hope they do utilize him in a more meaningful way.
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Not being a TWD comic reader here is just a thought.



What if the baby is really their last hope in the sense that it developed anti-bodies in the womb that will eventually lead to a cure for the zombie virus?



Just speculating!!
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[SPOILER ALERT FOR COMICS]



Unfortunately in the comics the baby is killed along with Lori. But also even if that was possible I doubt that there would be anything anyone could do about it. In a zombie apocalypse time isn't really left to genetic research.
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That's smart thinkin'...I like that idea ALOT

It would be a good way to end the series when the time comes...at least in the sense that post zopocalypse newborns could have a natural immunity.

everyone else would still doomed & all, but something like that could end the series on a note of hope for the ultimate survival of the human race without breaking the established tone of the show.
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I like this idea! Good thinking. Of course, they wouldn't be able to find out unless they came across an in-tact genetics lab. and the geneticist had a sudden idea.

The thought of them having the cure with them but not having a clue is fantastic.
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I was completely shocked...two characters dead in one episode...poot Carl...he not only lost his mother, but he had to shoot her himself....must be awful for such a little man....!!



I wonder how things will go from here, with the baby...???

Everything said, this was a AWESOME episode!!!!
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It was probably just me, but did no one else feel that this episode was a little underwhelming? I mean, for a television show to kill off two major characters in an episode that's not even a season finale is a very big deal. Maybe it's just the amount of television I watch, but I wasn't all that shocked by either death. T-Dog and Lori were The Walking Dead's most hated characters, and fans were very vocal about their dislike for them, so I didn't expect either of them to last very long (especially T-Dog, since Merle's return).



When T-Dog got bit, I was like, 'Oh. Okay then. About time.' and I must admit I was a little surprised by Lori's decision to sacrifice herself, I was just desensitised to the whole situation, as if I didn't really care. I'm not completely heartless though, I did tear up as Maggie left with the baby and then Karl walked passed her after shooting Lori.



I'm not saying the episode wasn't good, just not as thrilling for me as I would expect. Maybe I've watched so much TV that I'm not shocked up it anymore???
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I agree on one count. T-Dog's death was ridiculous and I didn't feel anything. But Lori's death and the subsequent scenes were pretty compelling and amazingly done. It elevated the whole episode.
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A share your opinion about the baby, Tim. Seriously, Lori's reasoning that the baby "has to survive for all of us" is just damn stupid. Grown-up people die around her every day, so even as disturbing as baby death on tv is, I can't really see any other way for this to go. Plus, she talks about the baby as some kind of savior, a new hope, while there is really nothing to hope for at the moment, I mean, they are literally just lingering in an endless nightmare without any visible chance to beat it.
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Anyone who has read Stephen King's "the Stand" will get what Lori meant about the baby being their hope.
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This was a brilliant episode. Great acting all around.



I reckon Beth is a bit of a dead weight - that is, presuming Beth is the wimpy blonde daughter of Herschel - I'm not certain, as her character has never been focused on much. She could easily have gone instead of T-Dog, in my opinion. T-Dog may not have been one of the pivotal characters but he was definitely more likeable than Beth.

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Brilliant episode. So far, i think this season has been flawless. One little question y have in this episode: When Rick and the group get in the generator (and then fights Andrew), where the hell is the moustache guy! And suddenly, he appears later. And another funny thought i had was, wouldn't it be devilishly cute to see that baby zombified, trying to eat Maggie with no tooth? Future doll!
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Remember we never saw Lori shot dead. So shes coming back as a zombie or somehow still alive.
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Outside of the possibility of voice overs and/or flashbacks, any hope of Lori returning is simply nothing but a cheap pipe dream. Point one, it would be impossible for the woman to somehow survive considering the amount of blood loss & point two, the reason she was shot off camera prior to reanimation was to maximize emotional impact, NOT to place doubt in people minds that Carl didn't have the huevos to do what had to be done. She's not only dead, but dead-dead in the dead on, deadest sense of the word.
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the only thing we gto was the sound of a gun shot - perhaps Carl just couldn't do it ans some one else will have to blast her later on - gotta be a reason for her to die so early in the season
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To be honest, going through the posts, I don't understand many peoples fixation on needing to see Lori shot in the head in order to truly believe she's gone. The writers of the show have a tendency to not underestimate the sophistication of their audience & have for the most part earned our trust that they know what they're doing. Take into consideration that Lori's death may very well end up not being about Lori herself at all, but instead about getting her out of the way in order to simply progress another characters storyline. Beyond that, another thing to consider is the intensity of the scene. For example, while Tarantino flicks are considered graphically violent by very many, the fact of the matter is, they're not. The vast majority of the violence is done off-screen & what people think is graphic violence is in fact, all in their heads, thanks to sound effects & editing.

In the case of Lori's head shot, it was done off screen because the writers knew that what we can imagine is FAR more graphic than what an effects team can pull off visually..They were not trying to maximize shock, they were trying to disturb

& they did it well.
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I was expecting Lori and T-Dog to eventually die (being a read of TWD comic) but I thought that they would drag out this Prison vs Woodbury storyline so far that we wouldn't see their deaths til the season end or even season 4. I was thoroughly caught by surprise, especially that the baby survived, and the way that Lori and T-Dog checked out, though again, I actually appreciated the difference in the deaths. Thank you writers of TWD live action show for switching some things up from the comic.



I read that there was still a lot more 'big' events to come for the Grimes Group this season, so (no spoilers) I'm hoping a few key events from the comics make it through this season.
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Total F'ing????

Tim you are a F'
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Haven't read the comics, so I am not sure what is going to come. Just sad that there seems to be not enough room for 2 big black guys on such a show, so one had to go ;-)

My vote for next Zombification would have been Beth, Andrea, Lori. Kind of sad that T-Dog had to go for Beth instead, truly a loss ...

Scary Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr Eko from Lost) would have fit perfectly to the show , but he plays in the BBC Show Hunted atm. We will see if the new guy can make up for it.

Not so super convinced that Lori has been shot, never am if they don't show it.
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I know I called you a troll Tim... but that Japanese porn-torture stuff? Is that actually generated from your mind??? You must be one awesome sick man, dude!
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Just finished watching it w / friend and we were ok; really bummed about T-Dog, slightly guilty 'bout Lory, feeling for the kid... but when Rick started bawling, we lost it man!!!

Wonder if Carol is next on the list of "let's get rid of dead weight"

Amazing ep!!!

Can't wait for the rest of the season...

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insane episode, i won't miss Lori but I was frozen for minutes when I saw how it happened. Carl shooting his mom was really dark and Rick's reaction... Holy Moly!!! This really makes up for season 2
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I think that we will see Lori again in future episodes (maybe next season) if they do a part of the story that was done in the comics ...
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From the minute I saw this show lori grimes was one to be taken out of the picture and I got that sunday night I was so happy when this happened as she was a pain.

Now all that's left is for to sit back and enjoy the carnage.
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T-Dog would still be alive if Carol had watched his back instead of running away. Ironic how he ends up saving her.
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She/they were out of bullets and had no weapons
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I didn't like Lori before this season, and I was slowly starting to like her this season. I didn't expect her death to be this early, nor the baby even surviving. For a character that is resented by many, it's amazing that she had a moving speech and exit out of the show. Kudos SWC.
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Was anyone else annoyed at how quickly Herschel learned to walk with one leg? Don't amputees normally need weeks of practise & professional help to be able to walk that far?
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No, my friend lost a leg. He didn't need any help, professionally or otherwise to use two crutches and his remaining leg. Have you never tried crutches before.
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Crutches. How do they even work, amirite?!
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Really? I thought losing a leg made you unbalanced & the extra effort involved would initially drain you of energy. But then he was almost running away from the zombie horde two minutes later. I've never tried crutches, never broken a leg. But I thought losing a leg & just having broken one would be different again.
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Yes, losing a leg would make you unbalanced... but that's where the crutches come into play?

Since you've never even played with crutches before, look at it this way: you're essentially becoming a tripod. The crutches redistribute your weight to compensate for the leg you're unable to use.

Also consider that Hershel grew up on that farm of his. He may not look it, but realistically, he should have had better than average upper body strength for someone his age--even before the zombies rose up. Zombie boot camp.

As for the almost running? Adrenaline. Sure, it would have been realistic for him to stumble and fall flat on his face, seeing as this all happened shortly after he started using the crutches, but then he would have definitely gotten killed. Besides, for all we know, this isn't the first time he's had to use crutches.

If anything should have annoyed you, it was how quickly the zombies got to the courtyard. I mean, that was a lot of ground they had to cover--even after the almost ninja-like entrance. Not only that, but Rick, Glenn, Maggie, Daryl, and T-Dog took out a lot more of them more quickly in episode 2 with just melee weapons. Lori, Maggie, Carol, T-Dog and Carl were all in there making headshots and got overwhelmed? Come on.
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A very nice review, nothing else to add, except that T-Dog ramming those two zombies to save Carol was badass!
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enter sad music - Lori forgot about her pain for a sec to have a dramatic moment with maggie and carl. daww.. but no really, for the first time she moved me. Maggie's cutting Lori's belly was very.. subtle. About the theory of stabbing the baby out: they share blood, so Lori would turn anyway, right? Anyway, I don't believe Lori's dead until I see her (possibly zombified) dead body.

Poor T-Dog, but at least put a bullet through his head

Rick's acting was so good, it made me cry. Anyway, hope Carol's still alive I think none of the characters are annoying atm, they all contribute something to this show. Sad to see any of 'em go.
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How many times haven't we seen a scene where man loose wife, wife loose man, kids, friends and it never feels they actually cares. Rick's pain felt, suddenly I froze and started to think of my own family how it would feel like if I lost someone I cared about. This is probably how I would have behaved. This is some of the best acting I ever seen in a movie or TV show, just fantastic.

The entire episode was absolutely brilliant, I never saw any of this coming.

Main two main concerns, or at least one concern and one question would be; is it possible to stay in the prison after this? Sure they can kill of the walkers but really, would you stay where your wife and friends died or you move on into the normal shit hole that's outside the prison?

Second and this is my concern. What are they planning to do with the child? I mean, taking care of a child takes lots of time and I really hope we don't waste hours watching some scary moments where kids cries, walkers close by, shut up kid !, hold hand in front of mouth, kid almost die, survives so on. I don't like kids in TV shows, except comedies, too much slow parts where you just sit and wait for the real story. So, what to do??

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i was the same...i made it thru until hotty holding the baby was getting emotional walking towards rick, then rick's reaction really got to me.
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Why didn't Maggie, Carl, and Lori stay put in the yard cage like Herschel and Beth? The prison was infested and they thought running away from the Rick squad would be smart?



Lori's blood is on Maggie's hands. She led them into the cell block and will probably never forgive herself.
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I guess I'm one of the few people who was actually RELIEVED that T-dog finally died. He was one of the most useless characters on the show. I kept forgetting he was even there at times! Won't miss him in the least.



As for Lori's death, I was a complete and total wreck, curled up in a ball holding a teddy bear, crying my eyes out. I've had 2 C-sections, and I actually had to turn my head at that point! I loved Lori's speech to Carl.



Herschel's rockin' those crutches!!!



Andrea seriously needs to have her head examined. I get the "I've lost a sibling, too, so I get where you're going" vibe with Merle, but has she NO intuition?



Apparently, the next episode is going to deal with baby-care-drama.
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This has been an incredible season so far... I can't say much about the George Romero resemblance so far, but I can't help but notice their presence...

Four episodes and all of it make me cringe in the joy of blood and guts...
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