The Walking Dead: "Say the Word" Review: Send in the Reinforcements

The Walking Dead S03E05: "Say the Word"

Sometimes a television series finds itself in the middle of a season with little more to do than re-emphasize what it's already told us. That was plain to see in "Say the Word," last night's episode of The Walking Dead. After four shocking episodes of us not knowing what to expect, there was some running in place as the episode reiterated what we already knew. We knew The Governor was creepy, but now we know he's REALLY creepy. We knew Michonne was suspicious of Woodbury, but now we know she's REALLY suspicious of Woodbury. We knew Rick was feeling the pressure of a world ripped asunder by zombies, but now we know the dude is really 52 cards shy of a deck.

This doesn't make for bad television by any stretch, but when compared to the blistering, bubbling, burning pace of the first four episodes of Season 3 and much of Season 2, the big takeaway from "Say the Word" was putting exclamation points on things that had already been established.

The 72-point font size exclamation point belonged to Rick. After the death of his wife and the birth of Lil' Shane the Asskicker (we still don't know if she's Shane's kid, but you can bet your ass the show will imply as much and play with the possibility) did what many people do in times of severe stress: cleaned the house. Except instead of going at the place with a Sham-Wow and a spritz of Glade, Rick's cleaning tool of choice was an undersized axe or an oversized hatchet (let's go with hatchet) and the dustbunnies were biters/walkers and that old T-shirt he was looking for was the body of his dead wife.

I tend to wince a bit at these types of drastic character transitions, because they're usually amplified to ridiculous lengths for the drama of television. You know the ones I'm talking about... something bad happens, a character doesn't know how to deal with it so he/she becomes a hollow maniac who goes nutso. But there was more understanding to Rick's complete freak out. His wife just gave birth to his best friend's baby (again, probably), his son shot his wife, he has enough reason to blame himself for the whole mess, and, well, the rest of the world has gone to shit, too. For Rick, catharsis was just a few axe swings away, and killing zombies inside the prison made for the ultimate stress relief. The climax was Rick coming awfully close to pulling Lori's remains out of a walker's belly for one last hug, given that his makeshift "goodbye" to her was a cold convo on the prison bridge. These were strong, powerful moments, and once again Andrew Lincoln delivered the message with force, letting his dead eyes to the talking. Someone buy this guy a drink.

At this point, is it also wrong to say that I found the zombie engorged with Lori's corpse absolutely hilarious? He looked so guilty, like a kid at fat camp caught eating a box of Twinkies. Definitely reminded me of countless Thanksgivings, the puking eater from Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, or one of those Far Side cartoons.

I'm not even going to pretend to know who is on the other end of that phone call. Maybe it's the real governor with an 11th hour pardon for that zombie Rick just killed. Maybe it means there is some sort of infrastructure still working out there in the world. Maybe it was the Jerky Boys. My guess is it's Carol calling from another part of the prison, saying, "Ummm, guys, help?" Even though the group dug her a grave, I hope she's still alive. I won't accept that T-Dog gave his life just so Carol could walk a few feet and be eaten by a walker.

In Woodbury, the game of "How bad is this town really?" continued between Michonne and Andrea. At no point should any of us really be taking Andrea's side in this argument, because obviously Woodbury is a death trap in disguise, but we have to watch the two sides unfold and we're being asked to trust a hunch from a character we don't really know. Michonne has certainly gathered evidence that everything isn't as it seems, but her hankering to leave seems to be more about what kind of person she is rather than what kind of person The Governor is. Michonne's a loner who has flourished in this post-apocalyptic world, why would she want to live under anyone else's roof with their rules, regardless of whether their rules make sense or not? She could be in a room at the Ritz with free room service and Netflix and she'd still be eyeing the fire escape. Plus, Andrea's point of view seems completely reasonable to me. Hot showers, cold beverages, and plenty of people to have sex with in the front seat of cars! Why wouldn't she want to stay?

But this is what we've known all along, and the Woodbury storyline seems content to travel as far in this direction as the writers can stretch it. Michonne will say, "We have to leave." Andrea will say, "Chill, girl. Have a Fresca and gin." It's not quite a "stranded on the Greene Family Farm" situation, but right now a lot more forward progress is happening over at the prison. We know that Andrea will slowly come around to realizing what Michonne has assumed all along and it's just a matter of how much bad stuff the two will have to endure before it's absolutely obvious that Woodbury is not a good place to buy a house right now and Michonne can say, "Told ya so, blondie." The details leading us to that reveal are great—The Governor's zombie daughter and the inexplicably stupid fighting arena (what is TV's obsession with fight clubs?)—but we're dangerously close to making twirling motions around an X-axis with our hands, the international sign for "Hurry the F up, please."

That next step is probably just around the corner, as Michonne high-tailed it out of Woodbury solo while Andrea pleaded with her to stay. I get the feeling she won't make it far, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if The Governor wrangled her up as the main event for next week's zombie arena fights. The Governor gets off on the power he has, and in his mind, Michonne is a threat to his idea of absolute power. As we've seen before, The Governor doesn't just let threats walk away. Even if Michonne has a damn fine sexy walk!

"Say the Word" was a buildup episode of The Walking Dead that solidified several ongoing plots. It's never a good for an episode to be labeled "skippable" when you're making a list of essential episodes of any TV series, but "Say the Word" wouldn't make my list. A solid but not exceptional hour of The Walking Dead.



NOTES

– At this stage in the comics, The Walking Dead became REALLY comic book-y, especially with the arena fighting and the zombie daughter. I was wondering how that stuff would translate to the television adaption, given the TV version will inherently have a more "real" feel to it (as real as zombie shows can get, anyway), and I find myself having a harder time accepting the arena in the TV show than I did in the books. I know the townspeople need to be entertained, but how about something a little less immediately violent toward humans, like a croquet field with zombies chained up on it instead of two of the town's protectors beating the crap out of each other? Or at least change the basis of the arena from two humans fighting each other to one human putting a bunch of zombies back in their graves? Clearly I need to run for Governor of Woodbury or at least join the Party Planning Committee.

– Removing a zombie's teeth would help reduce bites, sure. But what about the scratches? We saw a zombie rip out of his handcuffs and infect Big Tiny with his bone-hand! These people are taking these things too lightly, methinks.

– Maggie and Daryl's trip to get baby formula was the scariest most uneventful thing I've seen in a long time.

– I like how Oscar and Axel are chipping in; they're even willing to do the dirty work. They understand their place in the group. I also like that Glenn wished he'd killed all the prisoners as soon as they saw them. Glenn is going dark now!

– I don't know what types of zombie experiments Dr. Science is performing on zombies, but I know I'd like to see all of them!

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It is great that the TV show is walking in the comic book's shoes again, I feel there is more despair, sadness, and pessimism in the comic and that's the whole point of this project.

Spoilers from the comic: It's Lori on the phone ladies and gentlemen, and guess what, michonne is not over with Woodbury, not at all ! !
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I'm just glad Michonne escaped that madness before the zombie arena
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As far a "slower" episodes go this one was still great. It's impossible to keep up the frantic pace that she show was moving at and keep things going as well as they have been. Some episodes need to be about setting up what's to come and solidifying what's already happened. This review was perfect in how it explained this. Great episode, cannot wait for next week.
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I think this episode was a "breather." After a month of insanity, we all needed to catch our breaths. For a slower episode, it was ten times better than a slower episode from last season.
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Yes, this was like "let's take a break yeah? and explain everything for those who are just coming in"... but it's ok they were sort of getting everybody on the same page... Now can we move on? I'm curious about the experiments they're doing..

By the way the phone ringing at the end, I thought it was very funny. It reminds me of a very short sci-fi store from I think it was Frederick Pohl that went something like: "and John was the last person alive in the whole planet... and then somebody knocked on the door" ROFL!
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As a comic book reader this episode blew my mind!

At the end of the last episode I was like, "Oh, okay, they're not going to do the zombie-daughter thing with the Governor. Whatevs." Then - BAM! Hello zombie-daughter.

Then I was like, "NO WAY are they going to do the zombie arena thing. Too comic book-y." DOUBLE-BAM! Hello zombie arena.

Finally, after Rick's tragic zombie stomach stabbing (dude just wanted some goddamn closure!) I was like, "Are they? Nah! It's too soon." Then - RING, RING, RING!

Way to subvert my expectations, TWD! Now I can't say what this show WON'T do from the comics (Michonne and the Governor, anyone?). And I love it!
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Good episode but I too found it hard to believe all those people would be so into the arena fight club thing.

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It doesnt happen often but for ones I completely disagree with a review of the TWD.

For me this was one of the better episodes of the TWD both on TV and in the comics.

Its the episode we first get to see Ricks total mental breakdown, The Zombie Arena in Woodbury and The Governors zombie daughter. All 3 of those things were major Holy F**k moments for me when I read the comic and took the story from great to legendary.
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Anyone else think they're setting Daryl up to be more part of the group so there's a bigger conflict when Merele meets up with the group and expects him to be the loyal redneck little brother once again?
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So the first rule of zombie fight club is: mrhab werahg lahrga elhar bahr brains.

I don't understand why Michonne refused to share any of the details of what she had discovered about Woodbury and the Governor with Andrea? It was just "trust me" and "are you coming or not?"

Otherwise, this was a more f-ed up, crazy episode than the last. Man, sh!t's gettin' dark!
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good episode but one thing is just...wrong. That walker ate all of Lori? including all 206 bones? and her skull?



im all for willing suspension of disbelief, its a zombie show for crying out loud but this was just .... bad writing/ and or directing.



also its not been that long after carl and maggie left her dead on the floor that rick went back in and found her, a few hours at most.



a little distended belly on the zombie that is to contain all of Lori? i know she was thin but cmon.............it took me out of the show which was doing great before and after that scene.
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For all we know the rest of Lori is around another corner or another walker came along and took what was left and ate the rest.
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I wonder if they are going to follow the comics when it comes to the calling..
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Agree with you, TIm, on the adaptation of the 'arena' and what not, and that it seems one day in Woodburn is extremely different from the next, conveniently JUST after Michonne left, but I disagree that this was not an important episode. What makes it more important than anything is that it might seem not very important -- you know the drill with emotional scoring.

I have full confidence this is what can be seen as a 'lull' before the storm. It's no six episodes at Hershel's farm, to be sure.



The only qualm I had about this was with Carol -- she couldn't have gotten so far away that no one would not find her. She's obviously still alive and well after T-Dog gave it up for her. She'll pop up before the next two episodes are through, I'm pretty sure.
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How did Rick know where Lori`s body was? Don`t care really just a thought that popped into my head.

Awesome episode, not sure if I liked the fighting ring or not, I just did`nt see the whole town being into it. I know a lot of people who don`t like Ultimate Fighting which this basically was but with zombies as the octagon. Then again maybe not everyone was there for the show.
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I don't think he knew, he just went on a rampage (which lasted very long, as it was daylight when he started and it was dark when he was still at it) so he stumbled upon this place, and saw the blood and also the knife (thus knowing there might have been someone cutting out the baby from the belly). And the zombie in food-coma. which was hilarious.
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U make perfect sense, thanks.
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I wasn't expecting them to use the phone call storyline so soon. I guess the season 2 writers will babe condensing more than one comic storyline along with the prison one. The presence of walkers in three arena made sense the way they used in the comics, and what happened after that. And how our closest characters related to that. Also, I'm willing to give the governor a vote of confidence. Sure, he's nuts with the death of his daughter, but still saner than what comic Governor did with zombie girl. If only he hasn't slaughtered those National Guard soldiers... That was his only real sin so far. But then Rick killed sooner prisoners too. So, Vote Governor 2012! He promises hot showers on exchange of no questions or issues. Speaking of which, when is The Woodbury Gazette releasing its next issue with an expos on the Governor and his shady practices?
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Babe condensing = be condensing. My Swype editor seems to have been touched by the baby storyline.
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I started to roll my eyes again during this episode, something I did throughout S2 and the first episode of S3. TWD writers seem to be experts at not really moving the story along but making it seem like they are, for three episodes (I think) now, Michonne and Andrea have argued over whether to stay or leave and finally Michonne left. I'm pissed Andrea just let her go, if she truly cared for Michonne she wouldn't have let her go out into the zombie world all by herself (even if Michonne will more than likely be fine).
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Don't you think Rick was going back in to get Lori's wedding ring?
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I think Andrew Lincoln has found its emmy episode
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I believe that was last episode already though..
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You know, i keep wondering...i have never read the comics, so for me all is new and unexpected...like Lori dying...

I like know, how it is possible that in Season 1, anybody that died (normally, with gunshot orso) didn't change back....but that it happened the first time, alsmost in the end of season 2? Did i miss a episode or a part, where this is explained or shown??? I still don't get that part...??? beside it....keep loving it, but worrying a bit for the baby....how the hell is that kid going to survive???
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One major complaint is that during the first two seasons, they'd walk past cars and there would be dead people in them with no apparent head injuries. I can't imagine people just dying while sitting in their cars, and even if they did, why did they not come back?
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I imagine the writers are still kicking themselves over that. I think it was just an attempt on their part to create creepiness and they forgot to factor in zombie logic.

Because what, thousands of people just chilled in their cars while they slowly wasted away? Pretty sure it takes quite a while to die of starvation or exposure, and they would have gone off in search of food/shelter anyways. Maybe they all had simultaneous heart attacks.
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They simply may have died before they were infected. Everyone in the world wasn't infected at once. We don't even know what the vector is. If it's water or contact borne then there's a good chance that the people that died very early on just weren't infected. Even if it's airborne there's still a chance they weren't infected before they died. There's no evidence that the virus will reanimate dead that weren't infected before they died.
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Although I like this season the best, I'm a little disappointed they take so much from the comic series (Penny, the telephone call, ...), because I read those so I'm beginning to fear that I already know what is coming... the previous seasons deviated more from the comics (which made everything unexpected).
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Exactly. I've been disappointed all along because I know what's going to happen. The only changes the series has made have been irrelevant to the plot as a whole. Some relationships are different, some characters died earlier. But come on, we KNEW what the Governor was, and we KNOW what the phone call is.

My guess is, Michonne will meet Rick's group while some of them are out looting, Michonne and Glenn/Someone from the group will go back to Woodbury to tell Andrea, be caught by The Governor, and face the same shit as in the comics.

Only thing I haven't liked in the show deviating from the comics, is that Rick wasn't the first of our group to meet the Governor, and the Gov hasn't cut off anyone's hand yet! I doubt they'd do it because it's too impractical for filming, but if Rick was caught by Woodbury, and Merle asked the Gov for Rick's hand, that would be cool.

The reveal in the comics "Well stranger, we're feeding them strangers.", was so much more epic than shooting the army guys up.

To be honest, it might be a long way away, but I certainly do want to see The Saviors in the TV series! They can skip the hunters and no way out as far as I'm concerned, get right into that after the prison is over! :D
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Please go easy on the comic spoilers. You may be disappointed because it's so like the comics and thus you think you know what's going to happen, but there are alot of us that haven't read the comics and don't know what's coming.
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I don't know how long 1 little bag of baby supplies is going to last, I really don't know how that baby will survive.... also it is a little unbelievable that a guy has his leg chopped off in a filthy prison and is just fine.... but then again zombies are also a bit unbelievable so guess you have to take this show for what it is, a crazy hour of television!
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She picked up formula powder, which actually lasts quite a long time. After a few months, they can start to give the baby some actual food. The bigger question is why didn't anyone think about it during the 8 months they were traveling?
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Maggie has a blink and you miss it line explaining that. When she, Daryl and Glenn are discussing where to go for baby supplies, they suggest a couple of places and Maggie comments that she already checked them when they passed through earlier, stating that Lori asked her months ago to keep an eye out. That they didn't have anything currently just meant that every place they'd checked had already been cleaned out, not that they hadn't been looking.
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Well people had billions of babies before such thing as formula was widely available. It's possible they'll find something they'll be able to feed her.
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Good episode :) The way that Rick lost it was scary, I was afraid FOR the zombies not of them.
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I apparently misunderstood the fat zombie sitch! I didn't realize it had eaten Lori, I thought Rick was just taking out his anger on the zombie's beer gut because he blamed the baby for Lori's death. Either way though, guy's got issues.

The phone call is def from Lori. Because Rick is insane. But apparently really old-school phones like that one don't even need electricity to function, so maybe it's Woodbury! Screw iPhones, I really need to get me a rotary phone in case of a zombie uprising.

I really enjoyed Maggie and Daryl's town adventure, it felt like a throwback to season 1 where they're still scrounging out an existence in creepy empty towns. Basically I miss them breaking and entering. And the daycare was a really poignant choice by the writers.

Carol is so not dead! Show me the body, cuz I ain't believing it! I also can't believe that A) everyone would give up so fast, and B) why the ef would you DIG multiple graves when there aren't even remains to bury! There ain't no backhoes anymore! Digging graves is hard, they could have just funneled that energy into carving better headstones or something.
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Old-school phones do need electricity to function, it's just that the power comes over the phone line itself, which is why old-school phones work during blackouts. As long as the central phone exchange still has power (and they have hefty backup generators for just this reason) phones will continue to work. That said, the prison probably has its own internal phone exchange, most places with alot of internal phones do. So even if the central exchange was powered up the internal one would have to be as well to run the prison phones. There may be, almost certainly are, phones in the prison wired directly to the external exchange, but the one Rick is on wouldn't be one of them. Your idea is a good one for that exact fact. It hadn't occurred to me that Rick might be hallucinating the phone ringing. I kind of hope not though. I'm hoping it is Carol and her being in danger is the motivation Rick needs to snap out of it and step back up as the group's leader. If it is an hallucination then that means he's slipping further away from reality and that's not something I really want to see in him. I like bad-ass Rick and I want him back.
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I think if it's not a hallucination (during which Rick could at least say bye to Lori and get some closure/return to sanity), it's definitely Carol. She is obviously not dead, so don't even play it that way, show!
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I didn't understand that the fat zombie had eaten Lori either, which is why I got really confused as to why it seemed to be such a dramatic scene. I even wondered in the back of my mind if the zombie was supposed to be Lori, LOL. However, now that I get it: that was a great scene! Wish I would have understood while watching it, though.
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I don't remember the name of the convict that took Rick's side & shot Anthony last week, but if it's all the same to y'all, Ima just call him 2-Dog from now on in my head...K?

K.



...not too soon, is it?
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I absolutely loved Daryl with the baby. What a nice contrast to his badass character.



Damn Andrea. The least she could do is have Michonne's back, who saved her ass. If Andrea continues to get drunk on the governor's Kool-Aid, she just might become my new Lori.
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Couldn't agree with you more!
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I enjoyed this episode, frankly I was ready for a breather after last weeks tear-jerker. I def agree that the zombie fight club thing is a bad idea all around..they're asking to lose one of their ppl that way..either in the ring or because people are less cautious around walkers because of the fights.. Andrea should have stuck with her gut instinct on that one..but oh no all the guv'nah has to do is (rather forcibly) sit her down and explain it to her and she's like "oh ok whatever u say fearless leader" C'mon Andrea..WWDS?? (What would Dale say)lol.

I too was waiting for something interesting to happen with the Maggie/Daryl thing but alas..no zombie children... oh well I guess. Maybe n'other time..

I like the two prisoners...but I'm sure there will end up being something skeevy about them at some point..cuz thats just this show for you..

I too would like to see these zombie experiments... I'm sure they'll show us something soon...perhaps thats what will finally convince Andrea to GTFO of Woodbury..
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I'm with you on the baby supply run, I was on the edge of my seat, expecting zombie children around every corner. I'm honestly torn on whether or not actually having zombie children in that scene would have been better then what we got.

The fight arena is a really comicy and stupid idea. They should have dropped it from the tv show.

I've never read the comic but I just knew from the end of the first episode with the governor that he had zombie family members locked up in that house.

Lincoln continues his superb acting in this one.

They really gave up quickly on Carol seeing as they didn't find a body.

I agree with you that the phone call is probably from Carol. I can't see the infrastructure being sufficiently intact to receive a call from outside the prison, I'm surprised that even calling within the prison is possible, at least while the generators are still off. Old style phones don't require alot of power, but they do require some. The ringers actually require more power then a modern phone since they're an actual mechanical striker against actual bells.
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Since you haven't read the comics, I won't ruin it for you, but ... if you think his acting is good now, wait till you find out who is on the other end of that phone call. It'll bring to light exactly how well he's playing the part of Rick.
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Damn, now I have to google this, or I will not sleep for the whole week! :)
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I'm with you on the baby supply run, I was on the edge of my seat, expecting zombie children around every corner. I'm honestly torn on whether or not actually having zombie children in that scene would have been better then what we got.

The fight arena is a really comicy and stupid idea. They should have dropped it from the tv show.

I've never read the comic but I just knew from the end of the first episode with the governor that he had zombie family members locked up in that house.

Lincoln continues his superb acting in this one.

They really gave up quickly on Carol seeing as they didn't find a body.

I agree with you that the phone call is probably from Carol. I can't see the infrastructure being sufficiently intact to receive a call from outside the prison, I'm surprised that even calling within the prison is possible, at least while the generators are still off. Old style phones don't require alot of power, but they do require some. The ringers actually require more power then a modern phone since they're an actual mechanical striker against actual bells.
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Maggie and Glenn should go and adopt that baby. You just know the lead has totally lost it once that Daryl 'motherfucking' Dixon has to pull it together for him.

Daryl lost Carol too, you know. And he's not butchering walkers in order to cope.
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We dont know if Carol is dead, I`m willing to bet she is`nt, I just can`t see her dying off without us seeing it happen.
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For all intent and purposes, Daryl believes she's as dead as Lori: that makes him better than Rick in my eyes.
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or at least coming back as a zombie.
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As evidenced by the flower Daryl put on her grave he clearly doesn't believe she's dead.



T-Dog didn't go for nothing she'll turn up.
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Ooo good call! I took the flower placing as evidence that he thought she was dead but you're right, that doesn't jibe with the story he told at all!!! Yayyy at least someone isn't as dumb as I thought!
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Let's assume for argument's sake that Darryl's relationship with Carol was as profound as Rick's 14+ year relationship with Lori; some people keep it together during a tragedy, and others just fall apart. Everyone's different.
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While not a jaw-dropper episode like last week, it was good enough for what it was: Fallout & basic story progression.

I liked it...but I admit, I'm easy. I don't need to be wowed at every moment & I don't need zombies around every corner. I'm lovin' everything about the character progressions. Up to & including the more mundane moments.
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Okay, so questions:

1. If the zombies completely devoured Lori, then what did they bury? Glenn, Axel, and Oscar dug three graves... and what? Just filled them back up with no bodies?

2. Rick versus gorged zombie. Okay, was no one else creeped out by the scene? It seemed to me like Rick pretended that was Lori's pregnant belly and went stabitty stabitty on "the baby" because he blamed her for Lori's death.

3. Back to point 1--in the previews for next week, the Darryl finds something of Carol's on a zombie or inmate he kills, hinting that she might still be alive. So they didn't find her body? I'm going to be seriously upset if the guys all just went "Well, there's her bandana. She must be dead even though there's not a drop of fresh blood anywhere."
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Agreed on the baby blaming scene!
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When they were digging the graves they had no idea that Lori had been eaten as far as they knew there was a body to bury.

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Regarding baby blaming- that's exactly how I took that scene too!!! I didn't realize the zombie had eaten her though, I just thought Rick was taking his anger out on it's preggers-seeming belly.
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The graves are simply a symbol of closure for the living more than anything else. In an inconvenient pinch such as the complete decline of civilization, It doesn't really matter what's actually in the ground so long as traditional conventions are followed & the living have some place tangible like a gravesite to vent their regrets/prayers/whatever/ect.

& the way I read the stabby-belly scene was simply Ricks' extreme guilt & frustration over not saying a proper goodbye to his wife. Imagining myself in the same situation, I can understand the futile desire to attempt to expel the remains of someone I love from the digestive tract of some nameless gorging dead fucknut.

& I don't know what's up with Carol...I default to thinking that she's last week's lunch 'cause she doesn't strike me as the strong survivor type in the least, but I'm open to the option of being proven wrong later on.
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But isn't that what markers are for? I mean, the crosses are there as a reminder already. Why dig a hole deep enough for a body to fit into? And where did the extra dirt come from? Sure, dirt's loosened up, but those mounds were a little high, even taking that into account. Though, the leftmost grave seemed like it hadn't been filled in yet. Maybe that's Carol's and she hasn't been found yet? But that would mean that Darryl placed that flower on Lori's grave instead, which wouldn't really make as much sense since it was a thing between him and Carol. I'm so confused. :(
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Those are indeed good questions...beyond that, other questions are: what were character decisions & what were production decisions? I personally can only guess. All I know is that the remains of Lori, T-Dog & Carol are not actually put to ground, & yet the graves are there. Why? Well...logically to me it's justifiable that the characters go through the motions in the show in order to simply satisfy the needs of the viewing audience.

For example, there are a sizable number of people that cling to the notion that Carl didn't really shoot his mom simply because it happened off-camera. That's simply a ridiculous thought for them to cling to. The entire gravedigging scene could have simply been shown to clarify to the audience that those characters are truly history...& the going though the motions a form of catharsis for the characters within the story.
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Oh btw I was so confused when Lori's body was gone. I kept saying "Oh crap Carl didn't shoot her!!" And then we saw the other one and I was still so confused. Then my sister said "OH MY GOD!!!! He ate Lori!!!" I just about threw up the cookie I had just eaten. DISGUSTING!!! and then I was screaming "NOOOOO RICK JUST KILL IT AND LEAVE!!!!! LEAVE IT RICK!!!!!"
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I have a really shitty dark old tv that I watched the ep on (I usually watch it again online later cuz its always so f-ing dark) And I had NO IDEA what the deal with the stomach stabbing thing was at all, I had assumed they did show Lori and i just couldn't see her cuz it was so dark.. it wasn't until I read this review that I realized he was stabbing that walker cuz he ate Lori lol...so much more disturbed by that scene now..
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lol....funny shit
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Whoa. Rick went loco!!!! But yeah the govener and his zombie daughter, CREEPY!!!!! The phone call is hopefully going to be a bit more important than Carol calling for help.

Episode MVP goes to, as much as she annoys me, Michonne for her badass disposal of those zombies she let out of the cage.
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I want the phone call to be Rick's imagination as he descends into madness.
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I loved this episode it was good to see Daryl step up like that, I loved seeing Ricks character descend into darkness as he searched for Loris body or lack thereof, Andrea is so oblivious to everything its ridiculous, also I think the baby should be named Sophia with that said where the hell is Carol?
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I wish i could enjoy the show more, but reading the comic book just made it so hard because the comic is just so awesome.
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Great episode! I liked the exploration of the darker side of the characters!
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Rick....Awesome, getting deep in his character.
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The critics are so hard to please. Zombie daughter is a big deal like every other time the show goes in line with the comics and are you serious. You're just going to discount a friggin phone call in a dead world in the middle of a zombie apocalypse seriously?!
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Didn't like the fight club scene. In the comic books those fights were real gladiator-fights meant to kill possible threats to the Gov, entertain the people and distract from the danger around and of course to scare the people of Woodsbury into submission. That the show-runners stepped away from this plain and obvious fascism to a more subtle approach worked well so far and so far I was glad they skipped the pit.

Apart from that a very good episode, Andrea will kick her own ass for not going with Michonne ...
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I'm surprised you didn't really mention Daryl in this episode. I loved seeing him step up and immediately sort things out, especially since Rick was off being cuckoo. I expected Daryl to hate the idea of having to tote along an infant in the middle of the chaos, not bond with the kid. Like misslee noted, Michonne is cool, but that's about it. I need some character development there if she's going to stick around. Zombie slicing and dicing is badass, but it's not enough to be invested in her storyline. Daryl, on the other hand, has grown as a character. He's not JUST the cool badass - he's part of the group.
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i completely agree...when they Hershel brought up needing formula, i was fully prepared for the "We don't have time, we have bigger concerns," or even a roll of the eyes and a "Here we go,"....but when he said "No way, not her," i just smiled...he'd already bonded in a way:)
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I'm confused by Lori's body being eaten. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it established that walkers only eat living meat? So, was Lori really dead or did Carl fire that bullet into the ground? Either way I found it utterly disgusting. That walker left nothing... no bones, no skull, no clothes (except the jeans that were already on the floor). Yikes.

Anyway, since I don't read the comics I'm not formerly familiar Michonne and so far I don't see what all the hype was about, because she's a badass with a sword? If that's the reason I can accept it, but after so much excitement I was expecting more. Lastly, round of applause for Daryl Motherf*cking Dixon. Something about a masculine man who's good with a baby that just makes me smile. But a masculine man who's good with a baby in a poncho? That's swoon material right there.
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So far Michonne in the comics has more personality then this actress. I think they picked the wrong girl for this part frankly.
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Walkers eat meat. Live or dead, human or animal. Think back to last episode & you'll remember that dead meat was used as bait by Anthony to lure them in to the prison yard...& if you think back to episode one, they seemed to be enjoying the nosh on Rick's horse next to the tank a little more than quite a bit.

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That makes sense. I was confused by the deer carcass acting as bait too, because I was under the same assumption that walkers only ate meat that was alive when they started eating. I think it came from the fact that Shane shot Otis in the leg and not the head because I figured they wouldn't eat him if he was dead. But in retrospect I guess Shane was just being inconsiderate. :)
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Haha "a lil more then quite a bit" I like that.. And I agree w ur comment they will eat dead flesh... they just don't eat other walkers..
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yeah, maybe there's some chemical or somthin' secreted by undead flesh that designates it as friend instead of food.

After all, In "Guts" the gore smeared on our guys was walker flesh...not just regular 'ol dead flesh type flesh.

Who knows? Sounds good to me & all, but what I pull out of my living ass could just simply make me a smelly target for the ravenous shambling horde :|
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Amen!!! Testify!! damn Daryl really impressed me. When he was holding the baby and they were talking about names I turned to my sister and said I love Daryl. Beacuse he setted up!!!
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walkers havent eat a entire person that i recall... even Tdog was found lying there with at least half a body... walkers tends to snack on people and thats it
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Seriously, there were two walkers working on T-Dog and there was still a pretty large, uh... lump of body left. But Lori had been dead all of what? 20 minutes, at the most, and had been consumed whole? Maybe the rest of her was dragged off as jimman1 said below, but it certainly looked like that walker ate her. All of her.
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The rest of Lori could have been around another corner maybe another walker came by and took her cuz the fat walker was full and wasnt going anywhere. Who know`s?
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I think Axel and Oscar is a nice additon to the group they just want to help.
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Correction: they just want to survive, which means being helpful so that the group will accept them.
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I started getting 'Season 2 pacing' concerns over the Woodbury plotline last week when nothing was progressed but I felt better about it this week because some things came to a head.

Everyone should lay off Andrea. She hasn't seen the things we've seen, she doesn't know that the whole town is evil and Michonne has been TERRIBLE at convincing her otherwise. Their conversation will go down into the annals of multimedia entertainment as a benchmark of stupid obscurity on Michonne's part, but I'll forgive her because she's used to being a lone ranger. It was great that she left because if she hadn't the story would have been treading water. Now Andrea has seen the fighting she can start to really ask questions.

I hope Woodbury goes as dark as the comics did, touchy-feely can only get you so far.
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I agree completely about the communication break down on the part of Michonne...she did do a horrific job trying to convince Andrea..."Oh I just have a feeling..." all ominous without just stating the facts..I can kind of get why Andrea had been being a lil naive and ignorant about Woodbury, however after the zombie fight club thing...that would have been more then enough for me..And now her and the Guv'nah are making out next episode....now she's kind of begging for something horrible to happen to her.
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Well, they did spend 8 months together just the two of them, you can imagine that Michonne had some other 'feelings' and Andrea relied on that to survive most of the time, because frankly I think Andrea wouldn't have survived this long without Michonne. I think she does trust Michonne on this but just doesn't want to see it, as she is cozy and feels safe where she is now, and having that luxury is worth more. Stay in the Matrix.
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I'm just sayin' but I've had oodles of times where I fail to convey the gravity of my gut feelings to others...I'm not a woman or a complete badass with a katana, but beyond that, I can totally understand to the type of frustration that comes from not being trusted by a close compatriot.

I reckon eveyone can in one form or another, which makes for some good-ass TV-watchin' drama.
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I was so glad when the episode started exactly where the last one left off, I hate when shows come to a big moment and then they follow it up with a time jump, either hours or days ect. Wish I could have seen the cut scene with Darryl and Maggie talking about Carol and Lori that was mentioned on the Talking Dead
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i really wanted to see that scene too...besides and Carol and Rick, we haven't really seen Daryl interact with any of the other members of the group unless it had to do with business...it would of been nice to see...also not surprised it would be Maggie...she's such a sweetheart :)
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I liked this episode a lot. Michonne is already one of my favorite characters for two reasons:

1. Slicing and dicing walkers like survivors should do, instead of keeping them alive for experimentation or a damn fight club (even though that scene was quite entertaining!)

2. For getting out of a dead-end situation with that Governor. I'd love for Andrea to survive too, but she's making it so freakin hard to root for her sticking around with that crazy SOB Governor. Woodbury seems safe, and I love the ambiance, but the stuff that goes on behind closed doors is beyond creepy.



Rick's carnage of those walkers, including the one that ate Lori (which I didn't find amusing btw) was good, but disturbing to watch, which makes him a much better actor in my eyes, and much better television. He needed to let off steam and I know he wanted her body back, so everything he did was more than justifiable to me.



Good call about those two prisoners. They're definitely assets to the group, and are more than okay with doing the hard, dirty work. Kudos to them!
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I expected the daycare to be filled with miniature zombies that had to be killed but thankfully that didn't happen....but it would have been kinda neat.
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I was expecting a scene right out of the second Resident Evil movie when the news reporter gets swarmed by mini-zombies.
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I was really hoping for that, as well. I don't remember seeing any zombie infants at any point in the series, so I was reaaally hoping Maggie and Daryl would come across a bunch, or at least one, at the day care. It would've been freaky as hell... and I'd have loved it. Too bad it didn't happen.
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For me the series had enough kid-zombie creepiness for my whole life! (through it were not exactly infants)



This scene was just as suspense as it could be; maybe the zombie kids would even ruin this. So for me the scene, as the whole episode, was just perfect!





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I wanna see the experiments as well!

I also wanna to see a flashback of the Governor before his daughter was turned.
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Pointless and hearkens to previous seasons where the show goes off the tracks. There was just a tiny bit of movement forward on the story line and most of it could have been done in about 5 minutes.

Fight club came off as ridiculous and something no sane group of people at the end of the world would ever do... I am not sure insane people would do it either. Same with Rick; either he is now insane and a danger to the group or stupid and a danger to the group. The gene pool for Rick, Carl, Lori, Shane (?) appears shallower by the episode.

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I'm not sure how I feel exactly about the fight-club+teethless-zombies. It does seem over-the-top, but I can also understand the reasoning regarding people wanting entertainment. You're right about not having to be bit to be turned, but I can believe that the Guvna and townsfolk don't know that. I kiiiiind of hope that the writers decide to use that and have one of the fighters at their next event get severely injured or something and turn.

Also, as someone who's never read the comics, I figure the call at the end was from Carol. Who else would know anybody is at the prison and call there? If it's someone else, well... okay.

Andrea's stupidity is bugging me, but that's really because us viewers know that the Governor is shady. From Andrea's perspective, I can understand her REALLY wanting the pleasantness of the city to be true. Her lack of trust in Michonne bugs me too, but whatever. Andrea really would just slow her down -- let Michonne stroll around alone and slice up every walker she sees. If she ever meets Rick and work together, walkers better run the hell away.
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This was a slower episode but last week the prison story felt like they closed a chapter so this week they seemed to slow things down and start a new one. That didn't bother me.

I did dislike that after Michonne found all those clues about The Governor she decided not to share them with Andrea, or if she did then Andrea is even more in denial than I thought. To me it seemed like Michonne just kept asking for trust and giving Andrea nothing to go on.

The fight club wasn't as bad as it could have been. Yes it was campy, but it showed how removed from the zombie threat they are that they make a game of it. Its like kids playing war and Andrea was the soldier with PTSD. She knows what it's like in the trenches fighting for her life every day, and the citizens can't even imagine. Even the soldiers don't see walkers as a real threat anymore because they always have backup and don't have to deal with herds. And that's telling because if they stay so complacent the people of Woodbury will be their own worst enemy when it comes to survival.
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