The Walking Dead Season 3 Finale Review: They Never Could

The Walking Dead S03E16: "Welcome to the Tombs"

Well, Andrea's curse on Season 3 of The Walking Dead is over. Just in time for everything to be over.

For a character whose sole purpose was ultimately to be blissfully ignorant of the political affairs between Woodbury and the prison, her role was strung out for what felt like an eternity. By the end, the writers were just having her show increasing amounts of skin and trip on stuff like some common, sweater-meated horror-trope harlot. How often can you have someone constantly make decisions the audience knows are the wrong ones?

Even if we didn't have a somewhat-limited but basically omniscient perspective on the story, the fact that she'd turn coat on Michonne so quickly and trust the stranger over her intuition and obviously badass friend doomed her from the beginning. Then, not only was she wrong about The Governor, but she tried to broker some sort of peace deal when she found out that he was intent on destroying Rick and the gang. Rather than choosing a side, she ended up riding the fence right into the jaws of a biter. Her destined demise was the root for one of the major themes of the season.

The Governor, especially after adopting the pirate look, got cheesier and cheesier with his one-liners and any examples of his unchecked power that didn't involve blasting people in their heads. But his big line sums up that theme: "In this life now, you kill or you die. Or you die and you kill." In a world where people are disillusioned of past notions that we may not all be walking meatbags, where the macabre and bestial nature of killing walkers to survive and watching others get eaten as they die is the norm, pacifism loses its place with no one around to respect it. Armies of the undead have no rules against living civilians, and scarce resources mean whoever is mightier will be the one to get what they need. Be prepared to kill or be prepared to die. Because even death can't stop you from being a killer.

Carl spoke with Rick, just before Rick headed to Woodbury, and filled in that sentiment with a little more nuance. Carl wasn't ashamed that he shot the fleeing member of Pip Blake's militia, no matter whether he was surrendering or not. The boy has become disillusioned with his father's white-hat approach to survival. As the enemies become more complicated, and not just the undead are trying to kill them but so are the people who are competing for resources and safety, Carl feels like Rick's sense of "doing the right thing" is an antique. For Carl, it's not Humans vs. Walkers. It's Us vs. Them. If he doesn't know you or feel like you're "one of us," you're just another mouth to feed, another body to protect, another set of hands that can turn on you. Letting people live just because they're people has gotten the group into trouble, according to a suddenly very mature, very talkative Carl. Had they been more ruthless, they might not have to live in fear.

There was also a sense of choosing sides and how necessary it is for survival. It's no surprise that Daryl voiced the concurring opinion as Andrea uttered the platitudes of the dying. Happy to see that Michonne had made it into the in-crowd, she said, "No one can make it alone now." "They never could," Daryl said. That was the fundamental difference between him and Merle, particularly after Daryl had been with Rick's group for a while. Merle thought he could survive on his own, at the most be a soldier-of-fortune, within the walker landscape. Daryl came to realize that people have to stay in a pack, that that's the only way to happiness and safety: numbers. And having to put Zombie Merle down last week only confirmed his perspective. You can't waver. You can't just plug your ears and pretend it's not happening. You have to be active in this life. And you have to choose which side you want to be on: the undead or the living, the White Hat meritocracy or the benevolent dictatorship. You can't be alone anymore, so choose a group and stay loyal to it.


Then, right after Andrea said that, she talked about how she wanted to do "it" herself, meaning she wanted to end it all after she done got bit. Seeing her there with a tearful Michonne and a solemn family almost made us forget how utterly annoying she'd been the entire episode. You could reduce her entire story to: She was handcuffed to a chair, she had to pick up pliers with her toes, she finally did it, but she wasn't able to escape Milton the Walker. That was strung out for AN HOUR. So many pauses just to look at Milton and assess whether he was going to turn. So much time wasted on talking with Milton about whatever when she could've been working at her binds. Maybe her clock was much shorter than the rest of the characters' (we don't know how long Andrea was lying on the floor before the prison group found her), but because so little happened with Andrea over the course of the episode but her story still seemed to be equally weighted with other scenes, it felt like she was just gazing at that doofus for half the day before finally going into panic mode.

Good riddance, I say. A thought crossed my mind when the group was about to head to Woodbury and Glenn said he and Maggie would stick around: Daryl mentioned that it would just be the three of them, meaning Rick, Daryl, and Michonne, who were heading to the Governor's settlement... "That's really all you need," I thought. And, really, you only need Rick so he can do the talking. If it were a fairer fight, like The Governor's men all had compound bows instead of military-grade automatics, those two could've killed three-quarters of Blake's army, scared off the rest, and pantsed The Governor in about twenty minutes.

Putting Andrea back in the mix would've only introduced a "me too" to the dynamic. They have everything covered now; bringing Andrea back to the prison would just bring unnecessary complications to an already-established warrior class. She would've insisted on being a part of that group, though; doesn't matter that whenever she has been in the past, she's been nothing but trouble. Remember when she almost killed Daryl? It's better this way, with Andrea serving as the fountain from which Michonne's consuming desire for revenge springs eternal.

Besides, there are enough people in the prison now anyway. If Carl's reasoning for why he shot that kid and why his dad's gone soft might've sounded a little silly near the beginning of the episode, bringing a busload of strangers into the safety of your home with no real plan to feed, clothe, or protect them from the world and the inevitable attacks by Dread Pirate Captain Blake might make you come around. The White Hat is getting them into another critical situation because Rick lacks the ruthless instinct necessary to keep his family unit together while everybody else rots. In contrast, his son can see how the "open door" policy may lead to their doom. It's too trusting for a world where everyone is, basically, out for themselves. If Rick breaks down while running the lives of ten other people, that's nothing compared to the entire town of Pleasantville.

For a season finale, the cliffhanger wasn't necessarily the mightiest or the gaspiest but it does open up a couple of questions. (1) How is this going to work with so many people (probably all suffering some sort of trust-issues since they were duped by a madman) and (2) How will The Governor strike back and how long until Michonne cleaves his head clean off his body? A good episode full of the post-apocalyptic platitudes but a lot of senseless death, and it tied a ribbon on the season quite nicely.


SURVIVAL NOTES

– The Governor went from charming secret maniac to Mad Max villain right quick. In this episode he swung so far into comic book villain it was almost funny. The grave "thank you" when he presented Tyreese with the rifle, the cheesy line when he closed down the teaser, the senseless killing of his people and those who would turn against him. I didn't know if I was watching The Walking Dead or some prologue to a Joel Schumacher Batman flick.

– At first, I was pretty disappointed with how the prison invasion sequence happened at the top of the episode. Pip had that pep talk, they moved out, they got into the prison and blew up the watchtowers, marched right in, then scurried out, and retreated. Part of me expected there to be a long drawn out battle. When they all left I actually said out loud, "What the eff? That's it?" The AMC promos showcased a war and all we got was barely a skirmish. After watching the entire episode, I can see that the actual battle wasn't the real war but, at the time, I was about to demand my money back.

– Since this episode aired on Easter, I'm curious: Has The Walking Dead ever done a holiday episode? A Very Walker Christmas? The Undead's Thanksgiving Feast? Where's our wedding episode?

– Maybe one of those new people from Woodbury can cut everyone's dang hair.

– Is it too soon to start 'shipping Rick and Michonne?

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Merl Dixon was a Badass he didn't need to talk to ghosts he wasn't a bitch like Rick.
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Melodramatic finale though....right on that.
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merl Dixon was way to Bassas he would never have been talking to ghosts he used the phone dial for her fingers .... He cuts it off in the car....pretty simple. Merl isn't a bitch like Rick he doesn't need to talk to ghosts.
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Lets all be honest here, this episode was one of the worst in the entire series.

Andrea used to be one of those characters I actually liked in season 1 & 2. When she died in this finale, I found myself not caring about her in the slightest. What a turnaround! They really messed up her character by making her stupid beyond belief.

That amateur shootout by Glenn and Maggie, which hurt no one, was a 'slaughter' according to one of the Governor's people apparently. LOL.

Stop giving Carl dialogues! The only one that made sense was him telling Rick about the ramifications of letting go of people, but that still doesn't stop me from wanting to hang him upside down and beat the living crap out of him.
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What happin this week it was no
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Was that the end off season 3
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This was a good episode but a disappointing finale.
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Never liked how the writers wrote Andrea, it was a waste of potential, but the way the show is different from the books keeps people guessing and being the only zombie show in town, locked in or locked out. I was meh on the finale, and it didn't lend itself for me to have expectations/anticipation of the next season. After seasons 1 and 2, I was angry to have to wait, this time, okay with it.
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My thoughts:

1. CLICHE THAT NEEDS TO BE RETIRED AND RETIRED QUICK AND NEVER USED AGAIN: Guy gets the drop on the villain (in this case a maniac who just stripped off the mask and murdered a dozen or so of your friends), and he just stands there and points the gun at him......just stands there and points the gun at him, allowing villain to calmly draw his weapon and shoot him, while he is still pointing the gun at him. Shoot the bastard!

2. I guess Glen and Maggie attended "The A-Team shooting school." That was ludicrous. All those bullets fired and they didn't kill or wound anyone. Like the reviewer said, "The battle was a let down," but this was ridiculous. And don't tell me they were just trying to "scare them away." This was a battle for survival, shoot to kill.

3. Ladies, who goes barefoot in boots?
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Those who pedicure their toe nails!
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i have a question of the previous episode.. did anybody notice merle took the prison´s phone with him? why??
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Because he tied up michonne with its wire same like Rick got a USB wire
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But it was pretty clear he was talking on the phone right before Daryl walked in there. I still think that they were dropping a hint that Merle found clarity by talking to ghosts on the phone.
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Actually it's because he used the phone to tie her up and he used the dialing disk to "tie" her fingers so she can't wiggle out of her bonds. He basically used the whole phone as a restraining tool.
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And yet that was the same magic phone that Rick was talking on, he WAS talking to someone (no one) when Daryl walked in, and he did seem to find some kind of clarity after. I still think he was also talking to ghosts on the phone.
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Am I the only one who caught onto the fact that that was likely the same phone Rick heard "voices" on? And didn't Daryl hear talking as he went near the room? And didn't Merel seem kind of shaken up? I think Merle was taking the magic phone with him.
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I couldn't tell if it is what he ended up using, but I thought he intended on using the cord to bind her hands (he'd specifically mentioned they should use something made of wire, rather than rope)
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I couldn't understand that too
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To hit michonne on the head to knock her out
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You ask for a holiday special episode but leave out the very obvious 'Zombie Jesus' joke, I am disappointed...
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This was a very good episode, and as any given episode within season, it would have been really great. Only that was the Finale, so after many strong points it adressed (the Gov killing his own, Carl coming out as lil' Shane, Andrea dead), in the end the finale lakced a little bit more of BOOM. Like they could've made the fight at the prison more fierce, with more zombies running in the tombs part of it, etc.
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It looks like we MAY be getting a wedding episode next season lol.
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Letting my imagination go free, that should have a whole bunch of bridesmaid-walkers and if I'm really mean it should end with a Maggie-walker in her bridal dress !!
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I did not find the Finale disappointing, but it wasn't superb either.
When the assault party moved into the sewers I was waiting for Rick's team to close the gates shut behind them and have them panic without a possibility to retreat. Some Molotov Cocktails and other neat surprises would have caused even more panic.
The governor going nuts and killing all his people wasn't plausible imo ... maybe shoot the ones that questioned his orders and have the remaining ones follow him even tighter, but the massacre just seemed senseless and stupid.
Was surprised about Carl's killing, but better save than sorry ... previous season they had a young guy suffer many injuries and travels back and forth. He ended up being questioned in the barn and died anyhow ... this was merciful.
I had to fast forward the Andrea scenes, they were way too long and boring ... not sad that she is gone - Andrea not the actor :D - just wondering who will be the new person to do jump into the bed with wrong people and do bad decisions.
So all in all it wasn't bad, I'd vote a 6,5 or 7 ... glad that there is no major cliffhanger I hate series that have to do cliffhangers in order to "keep" their audience. Usually a sign that the writers don't trust their own story ... a season needs a form of closure and some open sidestories that become the new storyarcs. Just like TWD now.
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I watched the last 4 episodes in one go yesterday... and I have to say I expected a little more erm... "umph" let's see what happens in S4.
The only scene that sort of shook me was Carl killing the other kid... that was v. sad.
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Supposed the Gov and his 2 henchmen will meetup with the town that kid came from a few seasons back (the one shane killed) and they will rebuild their army.
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can we see some zombies on ISS next season? :)
or on sunken ships/submarines..
or on strangest places.

bio/necrodiversity of zombies
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Haha, I just read that book :D
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Please, Hershel, that kid was totally going to blow your brains out. Anybody that's got a gun stuck in their face and told to drop it is going to drop it immediately if they're scared. They're not going to move in slowly toward the small fry holding a pistol on them and NOT try to overpower them. Carl was right on.
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YES! I was thinking Rick and Michonne as well :'))) too soon I guess. Still felt sad when Andrea died, reminded me of her sister dying. But I was totally thinking 'good riddance' at the same time. Her taking FOREVER getting the pliers was ugh.. But where the hell did the Governor go to? he didn't attack the prison again and didn't go back to woodbury.. I feel as if the distance between woodbury and the prison is huge and really close at the same time... many roads or just one. i mean they should've seen each other going back and forth.. Anyway, a bit disappointed we didn't get to see Andrea kill herself, even tho it was meant as a 'heavy' moment when the gun fired. Didn't feel like that to me to be honest, i wanted to see Zombie Andrea get killed by Daryl.
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IMO this episode grades of as a B-...Not a great season finale. But I don't remember any promises that the storyline would be resolved. I know people wanted resolution,but join the club. I'm still waiting for closure on XFiles, Nowhere Man, Invasion, Flash Forward need I go on?.At least WD will return for S4. I see people are ripping the logic of the characters and that's fine but the show is entertaining and getting huge ratings. So all haters can stop watching, but most folks will tune back in October. See you then!
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I've hated Andrea since day one and wasn't sad she died, but the things surrounding her made it sad; Milton holding on as long as he could and Michonne losing it were heartbreaking.
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I absolutely agree with everyone about being disappointed with the season 3 finale. The entire season built up to this showdown that turned out to be totally lame. Seriously, the folks in Rick's camp have the Woodburians in a narrow tunnel with tear gas in their eyes, and they can't kill even one of them? It should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. The Governor gets away, so we know he's bound to return. Andrea's death scenes were just plain stupid. She know Milton's going to turn in to a zombie at any second yet she wants to have a conversation with him rather than get the pliers? Even he's telling her at that point to hurry up. Rick's about-face at the end was stupid for a variety of reasons I won't go in to.

All-in-all, the writers of this show had some great episodes such as "clear", when we get to see Morgan's fate, but the finale was simply a dud. I hope Kirkman and Co. is more consistent next season.

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You missed the point of the Showdown then. Rick's group purposely didn't want to kill any of them. It would have been like shooting fish in a barrel, but they specifically choose not to kill any because that's not their way. They just wanted to be left alone from the start and Rick was gung-ho about fighting, but he turned it back to a group decision and they never wanted to kill anybody. While people may have been let down, it was the RIGHT thing to do and it falls in line with the group conscious and how the characters truly are. They knew from Daryl that most of their "combat" trained people died from Merle, so a scare tactic works great against those that have never held/fired a gun before. Scare them and they will run as fast as they can, then you chase them just enough that as a group, they will not try to do anything again. They took superior numbers and turned it against the enemy. It was a brilliant thought-out strategy - which is what the group is best at - instead of just charging in like the Gov did.

The writers followed to how their characters are developed - superbly in most cases. They finally got back to how they were before Rick went into Dictator mode.
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I agree, every time a human needs shot its like their shooting at fleas (apart from the prisoner fella 'pop') yet every time a zombie needs shot everybody's a marksman. That leads me to believe Andrea fired that shot, missed, Michonne cut off her infected area and she'll live to moan again. For all the zombies she killed hand to hand I'm surprised that after escaping she got bit Shes got nothing on Glenn and his escapology antics.
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I don't mean to be a moanbox but for a season finale I was hoping for something more epic that just a bit of shooting and some philosophical musing about the state of the world.
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I too was hoping for more of an epic battle battle but, in the end, it was even more emotionally satisfying to realize that "our people" chose reconciliation over revenge and made it even clearer that they were the "good" guys. Since the episode "Clear" when his sanity finally stabilized, Rick had been struggling with his conscience, caught between the necessities of personal survival and the pull of his humanity. In that episode, Rick risked himself for Morgan, Michonne risked herself for Carl, and Carl risked himself for L'il Asskicker. The only who had to fend for himself was the poor hitchhiker they left for roadkill. And Carl kept growing colder and more cynical.

When the "us" keeps growing weaker while the "them" doesn't budge, the only solution short of surrender is to make "them", wherever possible, a part of "us".

The prison defence was a sort of Jiu-jitsu, drawing the enemy closer and closer and then striking with surprise, using fear and confusion to send them into retreat rather than killing them with blunt force. They could have blown the "tunnel", or filled it with walkers and sealed it off, trapping or killing those within but instead they forced a retreat. Did anyone die in that battle? While it's true that everyone (even Andrea) seemed to agree that the Gov had to die, that didn't necessarily mean killing all of his "soldiers" in revenge. And although the Gov did escape in the end, they took away most of his power by co-opting, rather than destroying, both his "nation" and his "army". (Although he had a little help with the latter).

If "no one can do it alone" is the moral of the story, then "live and let live" is the expression of that ethic, like taking in the refugees rather than leaving them to fend for themselves.

If you're going to play the long game and consider the fate of humanity itself, you have to accept that personal survival is often trumped by the needs of the many. Even Merle sorta figured that out. Without a moral compass, survival is a crap shoot and, at best, a reservation for hell on earth. Darryl, Herschel and Rick have all beaten their demons now and with their better angels in the lead, the group's prospects for survival and growth are brighter.

Call me a bleeding heart and feed it to the walkers if you like. I'm still sticking by this ...
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Lot of people saying "would of" instead of "would have" and that's annoying me more than the season finale! haha
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I have to admit to being a little disappointed with the finale. While I am someone that truly appreciates the character and plot development that many rail against, I did expect a bloodier battle. That being said, I must take exception to the people who insist on pointing out errors in realism , or feel like the writers of the show owed the audience anything.

Yes, I felt like the Governer killed Merle way too easy in the second last episode, but for the most part I try not to take notice of such things. Every TV show puts their characters in unbelievable situations or exaggerates abilities for ENTERTAINMENT. Your willing to accept the existence of zombies, but not the totally plausible inability of a bunch of civilians to effectively protect themselves?

I saw it mentioned somewhere that the audience was owed more, and that Andrea's death should not have been treated as tragic because fans hated her. Well, I believe TV is meant to provoke feelings in people, and sometimes that means attempting to redeem a character or at least justify their actions. If it didn't succeed in doing that for you, so be it. But that doesn't mean they were wrong to do so.
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Ok,here is the question of the whole concept: if a walker kills a human and while eating them, they change, do they continue to eat them? We don't see walkers eating each other, only living creatures. Do they eat brains? If so, does that keep the prey from turning? Lots of unanswered questions.
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It's like a virus. They don't eat each other because they want to kill the living and they need to overrun humans by numbers. Mabe Zombies are good in a way because everyone dies in the end which is inevitable. Could be another stage in evolution. What if after death everything is so good that they want to set us free.
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BRAAAAAAINS!!!
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I have to say I never really cared for Andrea. I tried to like her, I really did, but it never happened for us. So you could say I'm not very sorry to (finally!) see her go.

I really liked the season finale. I'm very curious to see what will happen next season, how all those new people will integrate with the people we already know and (most of them) love. I think it could make for some interesting story lines. I'm a bit ambivalent about the role the governor will play next season. Will he still be the big bad? It think with so many new people in the prison there will be enough of a story right there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.....
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For those who are clueless to why here is my Top 5 Reasons Fans Hate Andrea:
1. She almost killed Darryl in S2.
2. She slept with S2 protagonist Shane.
3. She slept with S3 protagonist The Govenor.
4. She chose man over bestie Michonne and had a gun to her, despite see her man's trophies on the floor (aquarium heads).
5. Despite the fact Michonne saved her life in last episode of S2 AND refused to desert her when she was dying of fever in the first episode of S3, she chooses to let Michonne leave Woodbury alone. On her death bed Andrea says no one can survive alone. Well, she sure let her best friend try. With friends like that, you don't need enemies!
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you mean antagonist...
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Typo mistake. Go ahead and take 5 points off my paper.
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Aaaand..she does't even bother to edit the post. Pretty much told you to go F yourself notabene.
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Maybe she sees Rick and company as a bunch of assholes that need putting-down? Then her post would be accurate from her perspective... Especially considering the fact that I'd hate Andrea more for tricking/seducing/banging a character I like than I would for sleeping with a bad guy. She sucks. We can all agree on that.
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Oh whatever to all you "I'm not gonna watch it next season"- you will and you know it.
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Happy to lose Andrea. Mixed feelings about Merle.
For season 4 I hope the writers will:
- replace that sad group of old people and baby that got of the bus with characters to spice up the group dynamics.
- create a love interest for Rick, some action for Maggie's little sister and Daryl and Carol getting it on.
- let the group leave the prison
- create more interesting conflict. Seasons 1 & 2 had plenty with adapting to the world full of zombies (getting supplies was dangerous), and people with different backgrounds thrown together. In season 3 the zombies were basically harmless things on the other side of the fence, supplies seemed to be abundant and the group considered each other family making the only real conflict one dimensional: between Rick's prison group and the Governor.
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Yup, definitely time for the SUPER ZOMBIES to break out ...
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Couldn't agree with you more!!
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A love interest for Rick would be an awful idea. Why does everyone have to be in a neat couple or a angst ridden triangle? He lost his wife like a month ago, he's in a post-apocalyptic land scape with a semi-psychotic son and a daughter and he's a total bad ass... leave the guy to it for a while.
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Did you see the googly eyes between Beth and little Carl earlier in the season? Beth may like them young. LOL
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I've been shipping Michonne and Rick! He looked her up and down. I was watching The Talking Dead and someone made a good point, a lot of old people came from Woodbury, what if they die in their sleep and then turn and then attack from inside the prison. scary.
I laughed when Carl shot Jody, he took way too long to drop that gun!
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Yes. Remember The Governor forced anyone able bodied to fight. Jody's mom tried to get him out of it by saying he had asthma but The Gov made him join anyway. All old. sick and young came to the prison. BTW, I don't fault Jody how face are you going to move if someone has a gone in your face. They always tell you to put your weapon down slow. lol
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Jody wasn't the kid with asthma. That was Noah, Karen's son.
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Ah, and if Jody's mum was one of the Woodbury survivors Rick brought back to the prison, and she finds out Carl offed her boy, that would be problematic!
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down not slowly forwards
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I think we're all missing the REAL question here...can someone please explain to me how you escape from not one, but TWO pairs of steel handcuffs with a pair of fucking pliers? This show is so insulting to it's audience in what it expects us to buy, why not just stab zombies with marshmellows next season? And was "Welcome to the Tombs" supposed to be an appropriate title for an episode that spent AH minute in the tombs of the jail? And why the hell was the military response to people invading thier prison to tripwire a bunch of firecrackers and have 2 people out of 10 shoot at the invading army without hitting anyone? I felt like I was watching an old episode of the A-Team. This shit is just ridonculous, away with it (looks away and flippantly waves hand in a disregarding gesture)
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From the "lighten up and give 'em the benefit of the doubt " department ... The pliers had wire cutters as many do AND the prison defence was intended to force a retreat not perpetrate a massacre. As for the marshmallows, well, yes, these walkers are certainly becoming spongy over time. Season 8 will be called "The Oozing Dead". Watch where you step ...
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so true! was watching season 1 and the walkers seemed def harder to kill. But i guess over time the bodies rot more and are easier to go through.. maybe even with marshmallows :)))
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great points.
she should of used her feet to shove the pliers in the zombie's head--milton wasn't that tall and if she flexed her thighs (with knees extended) back to her torso then forcefully flexed her knees it may work--she would have to time it right but it's more "realistic"
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Fully agree with Nick, way OVERDUE good riddance to Andrea! What a zombified C@NT she was throughout the series. This episode was ok, satisfying to say the least. Nice closure. So now how are their going to feed the new group of people brought in from the town? Unless they go back and to get food and ammo. My greatest hero was Carl. The incredible logic he laid on his idiotic father was amazing. Way mature for his years. Brilliant Carl! Look forward to the next season.

I have to admit I never paid much attention to zombie shows but this series made me truly afraid of what real zombies are. The makeup artists all deserves Emmys for the incredible skills. Brilliant. Well done AMC. Well done!
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If you're frustrated as a layman, imagine being in the military and watching that crap. "Deuce and a Halfs (2.5 ton truck)" don't need keys. They start right up. So why was the lone remainder of the gov's "army" stuck inside? We'll never know. HMMWV's aren't going to stop simply because they run over a nail. They have a mechanism called "run-flat" that allows them to continue moving. (I don't think a nail is going to puncture that tire anyway, iirc they resist 5.56mm). .50 cal (weapon on the HMMWV) is horrible at zombie killing. (Read World War Z and the Battle for Yonkers section).

I view the show as unintentional comedy. For starters - how many people have had the draw on the governor and he still shoots them dead? In the head. From the hip.

The gov shoots 24/27 people in his "army" and not ONE fires back? They ALL flee?

Why would they go back to the prison instead of staying at Woodbury? Why didn't they take the supplies FROM Woodbury?

I have to be slightly drunk to watch the show, otherwise it offends the mind.
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You and my husband, he was complaining the whole time from him being in the military; he was angry that no one fired on the Gov. I was also in the military and I had to remind him that they were not soldiers, they were in shock and probably left guns in the truck when they got out. No one was expecting it. I think they did get supplies from Woodbury because one truck was filled and they did take a bus so it might have had supplies. I personally think a prison would "seem" more safe, what if Gov came back to Woodbury, he knows secret passages or whatever...your post made me laugh, thanks
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I have been watching this show right from the Start and WOW it has changed a LOT.
I believe there is not much excitement or interest that we used to get from Rick and
his leadership.

But anyway this episode was the quite the same as the whole 2nd half of the season.
This episode, however, finally had some action sequences! Some real ones that we
used to receive earlier! All in all, they have changed it so much from the COMICS,
Governer has not died and now they are at the same old prison with another 15 more people, who I dont see will have be trustworthy and vice versa.

Now gotta wait for another SEASON! Anyone know when its starting


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At least Governor's attack on prison with rushful retreat was realistic. of course it was. What do you expect from regular folks (among them were few females) who learned to shoot few days ago and surely have no murderous streak in them. What did Governor expect? That they gonna kill other human beings like it is a war? At least this was realistic. Non-realistic was the way Governor kill all of these regular folks. He was shooting somewhere in the air. How come did he kill all of them like that? Ridiculous character, jeez. Hope he dies soon.
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"mob mentality" can be brutal but it wasn't in this episode.

do you know many women? lol, seriously, I would be more likely to shot someone then my husband who is a guns/weapons enthusiast/collector and I'm the "healer"...lol
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I know plenty of women, and don't start with feministic outcry (women as brutal and tough as men is ridiculous claim coz a) women are different from men (their strength mostly not in physical sense, it's idiotic to outdo men in brutality and murder skills. Women can do what da f they wanna do. But being able to shoot someone is not something you can be proud of (at least I'm not). To be proud of such thing is absurd. I'll never get women who're willling to compete with men in brutality and murder skills. Women should influence men not to be violent, seek other ways, not proving that they can be violent too. Proving that you're violent too, u're just playing by men's rules. But as long as it's not a certain (political) claim, as long as you just like to do something, it's fine. And in WD scene those females were obviously not warrior types (as Michonne), we saw them earlier training in shooting.
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no point in arguing and will agree to disagree...
have to say all people (men and women) should try not to be violent unless it is to protect oneself or another innocent party.

We like to target shot...never shot a person or hurt a person (or animal) but I don't think I would have a problem doing to to protect.

regardless, will agree to disagree
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AssandroJourn,
sorry you experienced some bad events--time helps but I don't know if it ever goes away completely.
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I guess Ive been talking to 2 amendment fan, huh? I've shoulda known better) No wonder WD is a fest for survivalists and gun owners. That scene with one woman lying under her friend's dead body reminded me of some recent bad events, but it's just me. May be it was too soon, I don't know. I'm not into all that gun adoration. And I'm not saying that you're. Opposite principles we have I guess)
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And mob mentality wasn't that convincing. Was there any?
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they sucked as a mob but mobs can be brutal....soccer hooligans, riots in DC and LA in the past, etc....
Mobs can be horrifically violent but TWD mob was as lame as the finale
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Worst finale of all seasons. Worst use of character amongst all series.
Characters on WD become so uninteresting and idiotic that I don't give a flying eff who dies or who lives anymore. I want all of them to die, including Rick Grimes who made such an idiotic decisions, made cheesiest speeches of all pseudo philosophical speeches of WD. At least we have some fresh faces who can do stupid things next season too. May be. I just dont understand why didn't they give Andrea another storyline? Who gives an eff about Woodbury people? It was most bizarre and irrational waste of character in all series. And what a pathetic death it was. Andrea was long time with us, they could kill her in more remembering fashion. I wished they would kill Maggie and Glenn, most annoying couple on TV. And kill all the others, except Michonne and Daryl. WD drag its feet again throughout whole season. What a dissapointment.
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I think I'm done. And alot of the reason I was watching this show after season 1 was because my boyfriend loved it. Not anymore. Glad for Andrew Lincoln that he got such a great role, I really missed him on TV after he left Teachers, but, I think its time for me to leave this show. Might rewatch S1 again, it was decent enough.
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If you like Andrew Lincoln, then try Season 1 of Strike Back.
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Andrea scenes were unwatchable. MULTITASKING, WOMAN. Moving your feet AND your mouth at the same time. Try it some time.

So many plotholes.... when Rick & co arrived at Woodbury it was night - where is the Governor? Why did they retreat from 2 Gunners at the Prison? They had grenade launchers ffs. On another note: Wouldn't you send scouts before marching in with heavy gear? Wouldn't you leave at least someone watching guard outside on the MG? Why would they send every single one bunched up inside dark corridors? Legit military tactics, Mr. Gov.

All in all disappointing and somewhat even predictable. They need to stop dragging things out and finally get somewhere. However, I really have to admit that the scene where the Gov went postal surprised me hard. At least one "positive" wtf-moment.
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most women are good at multitasking so Andrea is an embarrassment to her gender:-(
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...to her species really. Hell, I've seen zombies on this show doing a better job.
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I really expected more from this season finale. Nothing happened. So Andrea and Milton died and the Governor shot all of his people, but it felt like this could have been handled in less than 42 minutes. I've always liked The Walking Dead's season finales but this one was a disappointment.
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Dragging the prison setting into another season... Ugh !
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I'm over this show and won't be tuning in next season. I'm tired of the writers forcing convulsed situations just to get the characters into seemingly precarious conflicts that are needless but, to them, seem dramatic and original. You know why they're original and no one has done it before? Because no rational or irrational person would make these decisions, even when facing a zombie apocalypse. I have been nitpicking since season one because I've never seen a show with so many glaring flaws, as if the writers think we're too stupid to give it any thought -- and this is coming from someone who loves quality entertainment just as much as I love glorious camp like Showgirls and the original Melrose Place. Because at least those productions aren't trying to be something they're not, and the characters don't put themselves in ridiculous, hypocritical situations. If you're so willing to murder Michonne and also kill anyone who tries to infiltrate the prison... why not just kill The Governor and all those who try to retaliate? It doesn't make sense! Does he want to protect his family? Well, the only guarantee of that is killing the Gov or moving out! Maybe he realized that and changed his mind, but it was strung out for far too long and the writers seem to have forgotten that they went down a very specific road last week; suddenly they're lecturing the boy about killing someone who was handing over a gun. Um, hello?? You both conspired to sacrifice Michonne! Suddenly you care about the enemy? The characters are inconsistent. Perhaps one writer is not talking to the next. Rick loves ice cream tonight. Rick is lactose intolerant next week. Rick has zero allergies the week after that. Just sayin. And speaking of Michonne... my attempt at giving this series another chance after "giving up" at the end of every seasons was extinguished when Michonne much earlier discovered that being covered in zombie guts would protect her... only to run and hide in a shed with those who also know this trick... yet none of them utilized it as zombies were breaking down the door. To top it off, there was a busted zombie lying at their feet and they're all "OMG! Whatever shall we do?". I mean, seriously. Desperate times, people. Didn't you ever watch cartoons as a kid and see the bad guy invent some device to kill the good guys, but he's thwarted because of some lame coincidence or mistake and you think to yourself, "Hey, that was a pretty awesome plan though. Why doesn't he just do that again next week, only don't screw up?" But of course he doesn't and instead he moves on to some other ridiculous scheme, and you're left wondering why he doesn't stick with what works, and then you realize this is television. Kids television. Yeah. That's the kind of treatment we're getting. The writers wanted us to get all panicky and feel the intensity of the moment , thinking "oh my god! How will the get out of this one?!" Sadly, all I could think was "You all deserve to die for being so stupid. You seriously can't remember such an integral part of your survival?" It's like Superman forgetting he can fly and oops... Lois is dead. And I'm supposed to cry? Andrea's death was pathetic. It was neither tragic nor creative. They had her pause and chit-chat as if her arms couldn't work at the same time as her mouth. And for some reason, whats-his-face couldn't drag himself across the floor to help her. Nope. Just gonna sit here and watch you pick up pliers with your feet. I've seen patients walk into hospitals with gunshots to the head -- arrows even. And this dude who's been masquerading as a doctor doesn't know to put pressure on the wound and maybe make an effort? I've seen children with more first aid experience. Andrea's story was clearly running parallel, so don't even play like maybe her timeline was different. This show doesn't work that way. In the time it took for the Gov to assemble an army and attack the prison and lose and then kill his own peeps, Andrea sat there with less sense than the man dying on the floor, urging her to shut the hell up and get to work. I don't look back and think "how tragic and poetic for it all to come to this." All I can think is "wow. If you'd shut your face and picked up the pliers, you'd be alive." It's like she's never seen someone turn before. There's a man bleeding out on the floor. Hello??? Oh, but you're smart enough to know that YOU don't have much time when you get it in the neck. Riiiiiiiiiight. Moreover, who would leave a safe, pleasant town with proper housing and amenities in favor of a dark, maze of a prison overrun with zombies? Why didn't everyone leave the prison and go to town? Because they're afraid of one man with a patch on his eye? Guess what? Hs already proven he can storm the prison with a handful of townies. You're no more safe in the Prison than you are in town, so I'll take my chances with a warm bed with plenty of lookouts rather than a cold, cement cell with a toilet in the corner. It seems to me, the writers imagine a Point B for everyone to get to, but they don't really care how anyone gets there as long as they get there, at the cost of all logic and reason. One minute we're adamant on shooting everyone in head, the next we're letting them off at the side of the road to determine their own fate, simply because they thought it would be dramatic... even though we didn't give anyone else that choice before or after that episode. And you'd think, when facing a zombie apocalypse, you'd WANT to wipe them all out so you can start fresh. I mean, isn't that the ultimate goal here?? Or do these characters think they can somehow coexist with these creatures? If it was an outbreak of say... airborne ebola would you let someone go?? Hey, here's a great idea: it's the end of the world and people are zombies, and when they bite someone they also turn into a zombie. So... let's let this infected person go and bite hundreds or thousands more, who will also go on to bite hundreds or thousands more and ADD TO THE SPREAD OF THE PROBLEM. Genius. Especially if, at the end of the series, all the zombies are wiped out except one -- and it's just him and Rick -- and Rick is very dramatically one bullet short.
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I really wanted to come on here and write a book about this episode being the final nail in the coffin, but figured it wasn't worth my time. Thanks for taking about 5% of the words out of my mouth as I too have tuned in ever since season 1 only to wonder who would be the dumb character of the week, now that the MVP is killed, I still see a bright dumb future as this team is just stacked from top to bottom, with the exception of Carl, being he is a kid and the only one with an excuse for being a complete and total idiot. I'm sure I could have extended your complaints 20 fold, not bragging one bit, because I have a good feeling you could have too. My final saying and memory of this show will be " It should have been you Rick" (Refering to the ultimate showdown between Rick and Shane in which Shane was killed. At least Shane was interesting as a bad guy and had a few redeemable qualities. Rick on the other hand has barely a single redeeming value left in him and when he's bad, he's closer to a 13 year old pouting over his horrible life. And please don't get me started on the pliers incident as I have never screamed so loud in anger at my TV set. If this moment was a video game my controller would have zoomed through the television set shattered my wall, made it's way past my neighbor's wall and would have eventually became lodged in the head of NED friggin FLANDERS. Honestly after watching all seasons and this final episode I can no longer stand reading the reviews of this show nor reading any positive feedback from another human being. It boggles the mind beyond comprehension how anyone can think this is quality entertainment. It like getting a Rubic's Cube tossed at you on your first birthday and being told you have 5 seconds to solve it. Thank goodness your comment was 6th on the list, cause I was ready to go quietly into the sunset and leave with a silent goodbye. This finale was easily the worst in the history of every finally I have ever seen, and I watch a lot of TV. This is coming from a diehard Lost fan who despised the way the series ended, and felt Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof should have to walk down a crowded street filled with angry fans who each got to throw one stone at them for their poor choices and poor taste. And as for Tim Surrette being a no-show for the finale review, I gotta hope it's because he too didn't have a positive thing to say about it. Alright well enough of my well deserved rant, my Walking Dead career is over, and AMC if you didn't have the final season of Breaking Bad coming up I'd be done with you too. I still can't understand for the life of me how 14 million meatbrains, including myself watch this stinkpie, and AMC can't find and pay a few half-way decent writers to make the characters at least average. Ed Wood would have did a better job making this.

In summary let me end this in true TV.com fashion.

Notes

1. I really wonder if the majority of the fanbase for The Walking Dead watch this show to laugh week after week like I did, but have reached there breaking point after this episode!

2. Am I the only one that is infuriated with the fact that Andrea's demise was not shown considering how she seems to be universally hated and her death could have been one of the greatest moments in TV history (Both her getting bit and shooting herself happened offscreen).

3. On a scale of 9-10 how good is my final saying of The Walking Dead ( "It should have been you Rick")

4. And finally I could not have been the only one to notice that there were hundreds of bullets fired during the prison war scene and not a single person was shot on either side. Makes me wish Rambo had attended. Marksmen of the week goes to Carl as he went 1-1 and Andrea as she went 1-1.

P.S. I leave all you fans with this. Wouldn't t it be cool if the writers put Andrea's death offscreen on purpose as to include her in all future seasons as a savior. I wouldn't put it past the writers in fact I can see their genius minds doing something like this. " Andrea tries to shoot herself but is stopped by Michonne. Michonne then says she can't let her kill herself that instead when she turns she will do the deed. Andrea reluctantly accepts. After 8 hours Andrea has not turned. By this time she is bandaged up. After 24 hours she is still Andrea. Soon they all realize that she has an immunity to the virus and is the Earths last hope in figuring out a cure." Odds 1/2. Might be to smart for the writers.

Thanks for listening a goodnight.
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When i saw some quotes over the past week saying that there would be 27 deaths in this episode, i thought it was going to be a war, not a genocide of Woodbury residents we had never met.- disappointment one.
I would have kept Milton - just for his to have conversations with Hershel - disappointment two
It was taking that kid FOREVER to drop the shotgun - anyone would have found that dubious - Carl shoots him and Hershel cant see the other guy may have thought about shooting them - Carl (this time) being painted as a psycho - disappointment number three.

Why didnt Andrea just turn the pliers around and stab Milton in the head with them.- and her explanation of why she didnt kill the Governor just showed how poorly written her character had become - possibly the only bright spark in this seasons last few episodes is the fact that WE ALL WANTED ANDREA TO DIE AND SHE DID!!

And of course more David Morrisey next season - yay!
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Agree about Milton, he shouldn't have died. Who else is gonna be the tech-savvy person helping with smart stuff... I'm guessing not the old ladies wearing Amish clothes.... Btw 27 deaths, plus 8 is 35, weren't there like at least 70/80 people in woodbury? the group that came seemed a bit small to be all the people left from woodbury..
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maybe some didnt want to leave
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I agree with all your points except the Carl issue. Jody (the teenage boy) has a rifle. As he surrenders the rifle it is pointed outward, away from Carl and to the left side of Carl.You can't shoot a rifle positioned an arm lengths away from your body. It would be impossible for him to fire it, let alone have enough time to raise it, center his aim back on Carl or the others.
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one can be hit with the rifle (or distracted by watching the rifle go to the ground you don't see the knife, for example, in the other hand) but it doesn't matter because just moments before he was trying to invade and kill the prison group so since he got scared and ran (after being willing to kill Carl and his "family" based on his prior actions) now we let him go to come back and attack us again? Carl doesn't know he was coerced--if he really was coerced (I can't remember the townies names so I don't know his backstory and if I was Carl I wouldn't care)
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i can see your point, but i think this situation is subjective for the viewer - as it seems subjective to the characters ( if this was intentional by the writers, then it is very good writing)
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This all should have happened in episode 8; That was the most boring senseless waste of television I've seen since Cop Rock (OH! I watched it). How this show manages to stay afloat is beyond me, but I imagine it has a following of misenthropic Wal-Mart Americans who also enjoy Honey Boo Boo and the last Dark Knight Movie: in other words, thinly veiled entertainment with no substance, lacking direction, absolved of sense, and whose idiocy should be mocked and ridiculed as an insult to your intelligence. But instead of questioning the confusing and outlandish choices the writers of this show are making, the public is afraid to speak out by shouting: "WHAT THE FUCK?" for fear of sounding stupid...cause they are. This show is just another nail in the coffin of entertainment and until YOU stand up and say "HEY ASSHOLE! HOW ABOUT SOME ACTION IN YOUR SHOW ABOUT ZOMBIES?", it's just going to continue downhill until we're all drooling into our Kardashian sippy cups at the mental ward. Fuck you The Walking Dead, for this season, for making me sleepy, and for the ultimate point of it all...for charging me more money for the 4 extra episodes when the season comes out on bluray. I'm done with this tripe. (Drops microphone, walks off stage).
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Just don't watch it or buy the DVD. Simples.
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The point, my dubious simpleton...is that NONE of us 'just don't watch it'. It's not hard to make a TV show good. You think they don't know how fucking boring this show is after half the studio execs are passed out in the screening room with caviar and hooker juices drolling down the side of their faces?, but when idjits like you stare at your television screen with a slack jawed wonder just so you can say to your co-workers down at the Kardashian sippy cup factory "yeh...I'm hip cause I watch The Walking Dead", the producers can keep churning out this lazy dim wittery without fear of reprisals from their bosses because YOU won't give them a reason to reprise. DEMAND MORE FROM YOUR TV!
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Hahaha so pathetic you can't make decisions for yourself and blame TV hahahahahaha
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That made about as much sense as Andrea escaping not one, but TWO pairs of handcuffs with a pair of pliers. Shut up and get back in your moms basement Doom.
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Also, I loved Nick's review but I also want to know what Tim thought of the episode. Why aren't there any comments from TimSpot yet?
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Overall I enjoyed this finale but I was utterly disappointed that the Governor wasn't killed I was really looking 4ward for either Maggie or Rick shooting him in the head!

Carl shooting one of the Governor's unarmed henchmen was a major highlight for me! I can't wait to see the repercussions on that decision!

I am extremely happy that Andrea died because her character has been utterly annoying since Season 2, I'm glad that she at least got to go out on her own terms.

I am also excited to see how the the Woodbury group and the Prison gang are able to co-exist.

October can't come fast enough!
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I made a few comments below but forgot to say excellent review! It seemed short but then I realized it seemed short because I really liked it. I may of been a bit more sarcastic/cynical but that wouldn't of been as entertaining as the review above.

Outstanding review for a disappointing finale~~at least Andrea died (took way to long) and Carl turned into a badass imo--not a sociopath--already discussed in replies below.

Do they have shampoo & conditioner & showers/water for all their hair? Especially the prison group? Obviously they have some type of hair dryer to get Maggie's blown out look--I don't mind though because I really don't want to see a bunch of greasy matted hair on everyone. On other other hand, on those shopping/raiding trips I would make finding food, toilet paper, tampons (tmi), medications/medical supplies and soap/shampoo pretty high up on the list (after guns & ammo).

Cheers!
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It was really a set up episode, but the walking dead seems to have alot of set up episodes and not much follow through. Sometimes we just need some old fashioned zombie flick slaughter scenes. Luckily we got some extra canon fodder at the episode of the episode so there will be mass killings again.
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Season 3 ended with a whimper for me. It was a decent episode but not much for a season finale. Okay the governor has reached comic book levels of villainy okay now what? Andrea died meh felt more when any other character bit the dust. Carl is now a cold blooded killer mildly interesting along with the woodbury arrivals. The lead up to the finale was better than the finale.
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Considering the episode alone, I really enjoyed the episode. If you take into account all the Season's been mounting on, the whole war thing, I was pretty disappointed. In general, I found this Season as boring as the first half of Season Two, where they had only one aim: to find Sophia. Now, I felt that the writers didn't actually know where to go... there were good parts, but nothing unexpected, nothing daring. The Season Finale just summed up all that the Season's been through: in the end, we know nothing, nothing gets solved, they're stuck exactly where they'd begun. And here we go to an aimless Season Four.
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