The Walking Dead Season 5 Premiere Review: You Gotta Do What You Gotta Do

The Walking Dead S05E01: "No Sanctuary"

BLARGLEFARGLEWHATCHASEETHAT? Apparently The Walking Dead spent its summer vacation pissed off and feeling like it had something to prove, because "No Sanctuary" came out swinging, stabbing, and baseball-bat-smacking, determined to leave us bruised and battered by its unapologetic intensity. The episode introduced us to a more painful, dangerous, and thrilling version of the show whose fourth season spent most of its time walking along train tracks and talkin' 'bout stuff. I'm not foolish enough to believe that The Walking Dead will maintain the same level of energy level all season, but hoooo boy did I appreciate this premiere. You win, Walking Dead! You're back in my good graces. (Until the inevitable slowdown, that is. We have a rocky relationship, show.) 

When we last saw Rick and the gang, they were stuck in a train car, with Rick grumbling about how sorry the Terminus cattle herders were going to be once they realized they were messing with the main characters of The Walking Dead. And when "No Sanctuary" opened, they were reenacting the crafty opening of Gangs of New York and preparing to drive their belt-buckle brass knuckles into their captors' eyeholes. 


But they'd never get a chance to show off their MacGyver'd weaponry, because the Terminus peeps were no dummies and tossed a can of sleepy smoke into the car before Rick and friends could pounce. It was a bit of skullduggery on The Walking Dead's part to bait us with that anticipation and then snatch it away, but it was also a perfect tone-setter for the insanity of what came next. And maybe I'm weird, but just seeing everyone gear up for a do-or-die fight was satisfying on its own, wasn't it? Didn't it do a great job of putting us in everyone's headspace? They knew they were fucked, and they only had one chance to get unfucked. It was time to turn on pure survival mode, and that's when The Walking Dead is at its best. Hey, it beats farming!

My iron stomach and perverse bloodlust generally prevent me from flinching at gore on television (I like it), but when Rick, Daryl, Glenn, and Bob were led to a blood trough to be prepared for supper, I was transformed into the equivalent of a frightened little boy and a disgusted, conservative grandmother. Holy schnitzel, people. Even though I knew our heroes wouldn't get their throats slit, watching it happen to the four unfortunate redshirts kneeling next to them—batter up, BONK, slash, and slump over—was goddamn horrifying. There's at least one 12-year-old kid who will never play Little League again, thanks to The Walking Dead

From there, "No Sanctuary" became a dizzying beast-mode orgy of violence as chaos broke out at Terminus. I pity the media outlets and infographic designers who keep track of The Walking Dead's zombie kills, because they're going to have a hell of a time tabulating the episode's undead body count. What's your best guess? 50? 70? 100 zombies killed by an exploding gas tank?


But what really stood out to me was how ruthless the human-on-human violence was. Remember back in Season 2 when Rick killed a very human Michael Raymond-James (who played Dave)? It was shocking, because up until that point, zombies were our survivors' main enemy. Things have changed so much since then. The convicts at the prison, the idiots at Woodbury, Joe's gang from last season—Rick took all of them out with at least some resistance to the idea of turning on your own species, but the act got easier as time wore on. And in "No Sanctuary," the zombie horde was almost an afterthought to Gareth and his band of terrible cannibals. The Walking Dead has frequently repeated itself, but I'm seeing signs of a series-long stroke from current showrunner Scott Gimple. Rick wasn't satisfied with merely escaping Terminus, he was dead-set on going back in and wiping Gareth's people off the map. And that's a development that shouldn't be dismissed solely as a revenge fantasy.

After four seasons of focusing on the retention of humanity and addressing the tricky conundrum of having to temporarily give up on that humanity in order to survive, The Walking Dead appears to be approaching a new level of zombie-apocalypse adaptation, one that's steeped in the primal notion of being the asshole before someone else beats you to it. There's no longer a conundrum; the puzzle has been solved: The only way to survive in this world is to trust no one, and to be first to pull the trigger. Otherwise, you'll end up with a second mouth in your neck, vomiting blood into an oversized metal sink. 


That no-mercy tactic was amplified by the fact that we didn't have much backstory on Gareth and the other man-eaters. First of all, yes, they were cannibals, despite the show's caginess in addressing the question that people have been asking for months now. But the real mystery was how the people of Terminus became those monsters. Apparently, the place started out as as advertised—as a sanctuary—but a bunch of jerks took advantage of the residents' kindness and turned the compound in a rape and murder circus. And now that The Walking Dead has filled in a few blanks, we're supposed to assume that, like everyone else in this godforsaken, zombie-filled universe, the people at Terminus did whatever they had to do to survive.

I understand the need to update some policies in the wake of being overthrown, and if I'd been living at Terminus when that happened, you would've seen me in the front row at the next town hall meeting. However, I probably would've shown myself out when Gareth said, "...and we're going to eat people." He and the rest of the Term-ites had better have a good explanation for their behavior, that's all I can say. I know the flashbacks in "No Sanctuary" were designed to help us understand Gareth's camp, and maybe even to elicit some sympathy, but I'm sorry—if you eat people, there's a really good chance that you and I won't get along, no matter what someone else did to you. 


Anyway, I'd like to spend a brief paragraph talking about how Carol is amazing and I'm ready to have her babies. She gets stuff done. Got a few contagious bodies that need burning, even if they're not dead yet? Carol! Dealing with a problem child who needs to be executed? Carol! About to get your throat slit at a blood trough and looking for someone to blow up a gas tank as a distraction? Carol! And she fed that cannibal lady to the zombies as a snack. Hubba hubba. Screw Rick. To quote Hudson from Aliens, "Why don't you put her in charge?"

My only major complaint about The Walking Dead's Season 5 premiere (I only have one? Am I feeling okay?) is that I wonder why it wasn't the Season 4 finale i. If things stay the way they are, all of Season 4 was spent walking slowly—so slowly—to Terminus, which Season 5 burned to the ground in just one episode. Season 4 still feels incomplete to me, but "No Sanctuary" provided the ending I wanted. It just took several months to get there.


NOTES


– What was up with Tyreese? The guy's been known to go hammer-crazy in a crowd of zombies, but now he's making Carol kill 'em? Did something happen to him in Season 4 that I'm forgetting?

– Beth, where are you?

– That scene when Rick took the gun from that Terminus guy and then shot all those people was radical. 

– This was a quiet episode for a lot of people; I can't wait to see more of Abraham and Eugene. 

– Well hello there, Morgan! Lennie James made an unexpected return in a brief scene that ran after the credits, and his character was certainly looking a more pulled-together than he was the last time we saw him, in Season 3's "Clear." We should definitely assume that he'll be joining up with the main group of survivors, right? What was the meaning of that symbol on the tree? 

– Have you ever eaten a person, and if so, how did they taste? 

What did you think of The Walking Dead's Season 5 premiere?


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Oct 26, 2014
*******POSSIBLE SPOILERS BASED ON THE BOOKS*********





The whole point with the cannibals is not to rehash the governor story line, its addressing Rick and the group's growing ruthlessness and brutality. We see that the terminus folks didn't start out that way, they became that way, and we don't need to know what happened in between, because the show will show us it happening to Rick's group. The whole show has been about holding on to your humanity in a brutal world, but after 4 seasons their grip is slipping. Rick especially is showing increasing willingness to use lethal force, and not bat an eyelid doing it. Tyresse is the counterpoint, and the terminus cannibals what Rick and the group could become if they are not careful.
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Oct 25, 2014
Thanks Tim, great review! I think shows are being run a bit differently due to the binge watching culture. Hence why, in my humble opinion, they do a series now where you want to watch the episode and wait a week for the next one instead of waiting a few weeks and watch 4+ episodes in a row.
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Oct 18, 2014
TWD is back, b*tches! The premiere was awesome BUT - and this is a huge one - I'm so afraid that this is going to be a rehash of the whole Governor story line. We all know that since they didn't show Gareth actually dying or dead or zombified, it probably means only one thing - he's not dead and he'll be looking for some revenge at some point. UGH. I hope they don't drag this out over 2 or 3 seasons. Come on, let's be done with the Rick vs. Psycho Guy story lines! PLEASE, we get it already. I am really hoping that this season will focus more on the cure story line. Even if the "cure" turns out to be a dud, it would at least be something new.
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Oct 18, 2014
I literally jumped up when I saw Morgan at the end there :) Yes! So glad he's back! PS: Can someone pls remind me what's up with Tyreese ... did I forget something that happened to him or is this something that is going to be explained, hopefully, in flashbacks?
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Oct 21, 2014
To my mind, it was either watching Carol execute a child, or the revelation that Carol, someone he trusted, was the one that killed whatserface in the prison.
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Nov 07, 2014
Well he had kid Marlowe Stansfield dead to rights and could of put a bullet straight through his Kangol but he choked. Whatever it is that allows Carol to roll the way she do... he don't got no more. Oh wait... this isn't The Wire?
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Oct 18, 2014
Knowing this show, they're REALLY going to regret not going back and clearing out the place.
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Oct 18, 2014
What a start! What a kick! What a premiere season!
This was for me the best season´premier for a long time. Maybe the best since LOST first episode. Will Michone get back her sword? she has to. Gareth is not dead and will be back. The question is how? Andrew J. West , great actor who here is doing a perfect villain slipped in an interview that he is going to appear in more episodes. While other characters have guns, Katana, crossbow, knives, etc, Andrew J. West says "He’s got a pen in his hand and a notepad, and he’s ordering these guys around, and they are very much following his commands"
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Oct 17, 2014
From the looks of this season's premiere, I think I'm going to enjoy this season a lot.

The Walking Dead and shows/books/etc like it thrive when they play with morality and causality. Scott Gimple managed to write one episode that totally made it clear for me why this cannibal group did what they did. They did the morally right thing of providing shelter for others. Got punished for it. Spawned a mantra from the event. Butcher or cattle. And to be honest, I don't think that cannibalism would be uncommon if a zombie apocalypse would go as far as this show has shown it go (1-2 years). One of the things that this show has now managed to pull off is the feeling of hunger. Sure they farmed and sure... The third season gently touched the subject (showed Carl willing to eat dog food) and then dropped it totally. I wouldn't be surprised if cannibalism would be touched again as a topic.

Looking forward to more of TWD!
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Oct 18, 2014
I would have thought the show would be 3+ years now. Lori fell pregnant and had a baby so thats atleast a year from the beginning of the turn. Then through in how long the governor stuff between his first attempt on the prison and his second. That would have been close to a year. Judith looks 12-18 months now ud lean more towards 3 years
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Oct 17, 2014
I wanna know the whereabouts of Michonne's katana.
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Oct 17, 2014
I want to know where Beth is.
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Oct 16, 2014

Of course , you dont harm others, but Terminus people was pure evil and to leave main guy Gareth alive was immature, pussy and just wrong -huge mistake. I hope that misake would not cause them to regret it after ! Othervise really great episode !
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Oct 16, 2014
Was that Joe's gang who attacked the Terminus people? I thought I saw him in the last flashback.

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Oct 21, 2014
The guy in the flashback at the end reminds me of Negan.
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Oct 17, 2014
No, they weren't.

Joe was just telling Daryl about Terminus not being safe, either because of the zombies on the road or because of guys like them, when they found Rick and he ripped his throat before he evicerated the guy that tried to rape Carl.

Joe's group never lived long enough to reach Terminus.
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Oct 17, 2014
I was referring to the flashback that was apart of the episode so I thought that perhaps he and his group found Terminus before they met up with Rick or Daryl. But I guess the Terminus people would have killed or captured all of their attackers once they escaped the boxcar(s) anyway. Also, I didn't recall that conversation, but that's interesting.
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Oct 17, 2014
I can't forget it, if only because Rick acted like a proverbial animal right afterwards.
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Oct 16, 2014
Could be. Only guy we saw in the flashback was the tattoo dude they let out of the boxcar.
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Oct 16, 2014
They said they "took it back" so I doubt it's the same group of Marauders. My guess is they killed the guys who took over Terminus with only a few survivors. Hence the tattoo guy was all "we're the same as them," referring to Gareth and the cannibals.
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Oct 17, 2014
I decided to watch Talking Dead and found out that the guy the gang rescued from the boxcar was one of the people who attacked Terminus in the beginning.
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Apr 11, 2018
I agree with you...
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Oct 17, 2014
Like In said, they drove him crazy with their cannibalistic practices on purpose.

Or, like Rick would put it, they showed him just how much he "was screwing with the wrong people" too.
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Oct 16, 2014
I loved this episode. They didn't drag it on. I don't think we've seen the last of Garreth. We never saw him after he left the trough room. I bet he was a coward and hid safely somewhere. Someone mentioned that the guy in the box car with the long hair and tattoos was the guy that had done the raping. Was it? I didn't realize that. He was by himself in there. The girl getting eaten by the walkers was the girl that he had raped. I loved the part when Daryl sees Carol and runs to her. Rick smiled and hugged her too. Maybe he sees that she isn't as bad to be around his children now. I mean she did what she had to do to save them when she saw what was going on. He has done some awful things himself since they parted ways, so maybe he has forgiven her. Maybe he realizes that she did what she did at the prison to try to protect the others. You do what you gotta do for 'your family'. Their group is a family. I liked Eugene's reference 'if I'm not red ringed'. I got it. He was obviously a gamer. Well it's good practice for the zombie apocalypse I suppose. I love Carol. For someone who started out the way she did, and you see her journey to where she is now. She does what needs to be done, and makes no bones about it. I didn't think we'd seen the last of Carol when Rick dropped her off with gas and a car, but I did think that we'd seen the last of 'hippy Sam'. I was surprised to find out that was him that got the first blow to the head and throat cut at the trough. Well, we've seen the last of him now, for sure. I thought there was a knowing look exchanged between Rick and him. I hope they keep up the good work throughout the season, and hope it doesn't drag on like the long walk to Terminus. I heard that there will be 2 groups to follow, so when they take their break, and come back in Oct. for the rest of the season, in the meantime we'll have another group to watch. I hope it's true.
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Oct 17, 2014
Gareth is definitely alive. There are scenes with him in the season 5 trailer. We'll be seeing more of him
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Oct 17, 2014
I didn't see the season 5 trailer. So I think I will look that up. I'm wondering where he'll pop back up again. This season is going to be better than the last.
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Oct 16, 2014
We did see Rick shoot Gareth in the shoulder, though he's most definitely alive. Especially since he wasn't in the "memoriam" for Talking Dead.
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Oct 17, 2014
I must have missed that. I didn't see Rick shoot him at all. Things were happening so fast. And you are right, he wasn't in the Memoriam of Talking Dead. I didn't even think of that. I'm going to watch that episode again and watch for Rick shooting him.
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Oct 21, 2014
There were shots of Gareth in the trailer after rick and co had left- or was that a pre pre flashback?
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Oct 15, 2014
Despite the flashbacks giving a nano-second of "Sympathy for the Devil" I agree that it's a far cry from taking slow exquisite revenge on your tormentors to luring other people in and becoming cannibals. That was a bit much of a logical leap for me.

And I had a hard time to believe that the apparent leader of the rape and murder gang was still being kept alive all that time. In my view, he would have been tortured to death with exquisite slowness by Mary and her sons (and the poor girl who begged "Not again" in the train car).

But then I thought. Hmmmmm. Hkept in isolation and since they are cutting up human bodies, guess what they are feeding him? (Heh heh) "Hey Rape Boy, here's your meal of male genitalia! It's all you get! Eat it or starve! And tomorrow's menu is exactly the same! Enjoy scumbag!
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Oct 17, 2014
I thought that keeping the leader alive, making him listen as they tortured, murdered and laughed every single person next to him, day after day, never knowing when he would be next...no wonder he went crazy.
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Oct 15, 2014
So sweet the moment when Daryl puts his head in Carol´s shoulder
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Oct 15, 2014
It was like watching an emotional lion held his lioness.

...or rather a lioness coming back home to her lion.
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Oct 15, 2014
really good episode but yeah this should have been the season 4 finale.

I feel like the group is too big now, something is going to happen that separates them. I kind of liked when they weren't together.

Eugene doesn't even have the damn cure he just has a hunch of how to maybe possibly solve the problem, that was kind of a slap in face.

Bob will probaly die soon since morgan is back, cant gave to many black people on the show even though they are in georgia. If we also see another guy in the show with lines then Glenn is dead too, cant have to many asians either.....
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Oct 16, 2014
Morgan has only appeared in 3 eps and has more fans than Lori and Andrea haha
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Oct 15, 2014
Yeah and how could the "black guy" from season 1, still be alive? :-) Doesn't this violate the "Black guy has to die first rule?"
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Oct 21, 2014
Is Morgan the very first survivor that Rick meets in season 1? I couldn't remember who he was!
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Oct 15, 2014
Morgan is that badass! He'll probably survive them all.
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Oct 16, 2014
Badass? What did he actually do that awarded him this title?
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Oct 18, 2014
I would say that surviving a zombie apocalypse for 2 years on your own with no backup is pretty badass.
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Oct 17, 2014
@mothershaboo: You do realize that just describes Michonne, Rick, The Governor and almost every character up to Dr. Jenner, right?

And, yes, I think they are pretty badasses too.
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Oct 16, 2014
Losing his son, going bat shit crazy, getting over run when you have all the guns must mean badass where @ionee24 comes from
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Oct 15, 2014
O yeah and the only thing i found kinda baddish about the episode was Tyrese, i understand that he has had his fill of the violence and the killing, it would do a number on someone's mental state, but damnn leaving the baby that close to that redneck dude and not tying that redneck to something. I wanted to jump into the television and smack his head.

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Oct 18, 2014
Yeah he had a bad start but I think he redeemed himself. Taking out those walkers with no weapons to hand was pretty cool.
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Oct 17, 2014
Mee too. I couldn't stand the waiting. Come on, Tyreese, wake up already! The man is threatening the baby
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Oct 19, 2014
Yeah he did kinda redeem himself when he took out the walkers bare-handed, but still he did piss me off. He still is badass, but still, it ain't a friendly world again. he needs to be smarter, and do what he's best at.
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Oct 15, 2014
This episode was superb, full of action and everything that i needed it to be after being away for this long. I just got a good fix of the walking dead.


Best thing was for me a few things, when as said above, Rick took the weapon and killed the others.

Leaving the Butcher alive to get eaten and turned, so he will wander around untill he gets a bullet or knife in his head, no easy way out for you Butching Cannibal.


Best thing in my opinion was to see Rick's drive and jacked up on adrenaline and saying firmly, we are going back and kill all of them, "they don't get to live"!! And he's right, It's just evil what they did, even after what happened to them.
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Oct 15, 2014
between the new episodes I'm doing some re-watching of earlier seasons, and OMG how much more I appreciate the fact how far did Carol, and every one else from the main characters as well, has gone. She was this rather helpless person with 'a victim' stamp all over her, and now look at HER - kicking ass! She quite annoyed me in season 1 through 2, and now she's def among my most fav. Though same goes for Rick, who went all the way from good cop to bad cop, then down the hell's highway yet came back, changed yet still strong, and mostly with his moral compass still pointing due humanity, unless he's pissed or threatened - then all bets are off and he just do what he has to do. And I just could go on and on. Love the show indeed, even though sometimes it pisses me off (The Gov and Andrea fiasco, slow-simmering for almost a full season in a yawn fest called the Farm, etc.) it still delivers
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Oct 15, 2014
Epic awesomenes and perfection. It's ridiculous how much I love this show .
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Oct 15, 2014
Why did the camera dwell on the face of the guy on the butcher's slab? Was he a character from a past episode?
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Oct 16, 2014
That guy on the butcher's slab was Alex. That was Gareth's brother. I guess they don't let any good meat go to waste. You'd think that they would have buried him or something. Nothing's sacred in the zombie apocalypse.
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Oct 15, 2014
He was Gareth's brother.
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Oct 15, 2014
Sheesh, you're absolutely right. Too much time between seasons syndrome got me! Thanks
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Oct 15, 2014
Question of the day...why was Gareth's brother on the slab? Accidental fatal trauma? Attempted coup? Did he like Justin Bieber's music? All valid reasons to butcher your brother, right?
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Oct 16, 2014
Oh, yeah *smacks forehead*
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Oct 15, 2014
He was accidentally shot in the confrontation with Rick's group at the end of last year's finale.
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Oct 15, 2014
And the screaming girl devoured by zombies was the repeatedly raped girl showed by the last"Then" pleading not again after they brough back Garreth's mom.
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Oct 16, 2014
I didn't realize that.
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Oct 18, 2014
Check out her hands, she raises them the same way when she's dying beneath the zombies as she did back when the flashlight lighted her face in the last "Then".

Great acting choices by the way, it really made me feel sorry for her character despite she didn't have any name.
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Oct 15, 2014
Tyrese's issue was that he was tired with violence after experiencing the needless cold murder of Micah by her own sister, then having Carol execute Lizzie.

Remember he was the one that got those little girls and the baby out of the prison. They were his responsibility and they died on his watch. That's gotta hurt. That's why he was extra upset when that dude tried to kill Judith and he killed him with his bare hands.
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Oct 15, 2014
I'm not convinced he actually killed that guy in the shack, come to think of it. And they left his ride there. What do you think are the chances he crops up like the proverbial bad penny?
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Oct 15, 2014
He killed him. Hence by Tyreese went to the head, once he started punding the guy's head you knew: he was not going to stop until that guy wouldn't...lets just say not to return a zombie and leave it there.

My poor Tyreese...
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Oct 15, 2014
Ty is a big softy who's incapable of looking a walker in the eyes while offing it. I think his days are numbered.
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Oct 16, 2014
His issue is that he keeps on hoarding all that anger up and it builds and builds until he can't take any more and it explodes, like with what happened after Karen died.

Tyreese is a good guy. I mean while everyone else was running for their lives he thought of the kids and saved them. How long could he have lasted on his own with two little girls and an infant? A moral choice, but also a stupid one when you think ablout it.
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Oct 15, 2014
Absolutely. Every time violence was imminent, Tyrese would try not to get involved. He only became a hammer wielding maniac after Carol toasted Karen. Now he's just broken. He'll fight to defend the defenceless like he did for Judith but will end up dying a hero's death before the end of the season. T-Dog 2?
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Oct 15, 2014
I'd say the real problem with Tyreese is that his hands are his weapon: he doesn't kill with a gun, a crossbow or a katana, he kills with his very own hands.

That's got to take a toll, at least if we judged by Rick ripping a man's throat last season
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Oct 15, 2014
Kick ass premiere!! Carol was on a whole other level of badass!! Rick was pretty badass himself and was glad they all reunited at the end and that after credits scene tho!!!
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Oct 15, 2014
The first guy that got his throat slashed was "Hippy Sam" from last season. Also know as Penguin on Gotham.
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Oct 15, 2014
Eminem's doppelganger. lol
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Oct 14, 2014
I loved this episode, so glad to have this show back!
I liked that they showed us the back story of the people from Teriminus and what caused them to become what they did, however, I also don't really think it excused it. I get that they wouldn't trust people anymore and wouldn't welcome them, but why did they start killing and eating them? Was it really necessary?
I must admit, I adored Carol shooting the terminus woman in the leg and then leaving her for the zombies, being shot in the head was a bit too good for her.
Carol reuniting with the group, and then Rick and Judith, and Tyrese and Sasha being reunited was a lovely moment and it made me so happy to watch.
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Oct 14, 2014
Eeehhmmm in times of need and survival, I would totes eat a human being. Especially in light of the raping that occured. Scum that rapes should be eaten, but like, Hannibal style. So yeah, wasn't really that shocked by it. Hell I'm surprised it hasn't come up earlier.

Kick ass episode though! Still feel sad when other humans have to die, when really, but silently dead but hopeful heart wishes people would stick together in these situations. But all that aside, WE GOT A DARYL/CAROL REUNION!! Most glorious thing I've seen in a while.
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Oct 14, 2014
Oh, and too bad Rick couldn't come through with the machete warning he made to the guy at the beginning.
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Oct 14, 2014
he's not dead and I'm sure that wasn't an idle threat (the writers won't allow it!)
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Oct 16, 2014
I agree. I don't think Garreth is dead either. Rick didn't get to go back and finish killing the whole darn compound. I don't think we've seen the last of Garreth. I don't think he was any of the ones that got shot or eaten. He probably hid somewhere safe while all the commotion was going on.
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Oct 16, 2014
I'm glad Gareth didn't die he makes the show interesting just like TG did before him. He was promoted to series regular and the show doesn't kill their series regular in less than one season or even 2. The Governor is the only series regular who did less time on the show and he made it to one season and a half.
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Oct 14, 2014
As mentioned by MarlboroMagpi in the comments the group is pretty large (for TV) to be just wandering around. My guess is they split into different groups based on common interests (Beth search and rescue, military cure delivery system to Washington and just plain old let's find a place to survive).
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Oct 14, 2014
A side trivia for those who did not see Talking Dead. The guy playing penguin on Gotham was in this episode. I think he was the first one to be slit on the throat. I do not know why but apparently he flew in just to do a short scene. Perhaps he was a fan and Scott Gimple confirmed we will be seeing Beth.
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Oct 14, 2014
This should have been the season four finale but I am still glad they closed the terminus story in one episode rather than spreading it over the whole of this season. This prove TWD knows how to improve.

I wonder if the show's writers were worried about Z nation which is moving at so much faster pace and had done the cannibal story before TWD.

Now there are 14 + 1 baby in the group (my wife counted and not including beth) and this is too large a main cast for any TV show so a few people are going to die very soon. The minor characters would probably go first.

While it is great to see Lennie James back (Is he back because low winter sun got cancelled?), I think it might not be the same Morgan we knew before. Since he lost his son, he might have already gone bonkers and now present a danger to the group. That would actually be an interesting premise to work on. The new enemy is within the group.
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Oct 15, 2014
"Too large a cast?" Tell that to "LOST!" :-)
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Oct 15, 2014
It's not that they are worried about Z nation as much as everything last season built up to this moment. TWD is master on a build-up and the pay offs are impressive.
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Oct 15, 2014
TWD is a character drama about apocalyptic world that just happens to have zombies. Z nation is JUST about zombies and its fun. They already had babies zombies, dog zombies, cannibals and even tornado zombies and its only episode five of season one so I am definitely on board.
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Oct 15, 2014
TWD worried about Znation? In what planet? Universe? The show that can managed 2M viewers, the sleaziest show on TV, you think TWD even gives a hoot about what shenanigans they have going on in their show? Ha ha that was a joke right?


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Oct 15, 2014
I agree TWD is better than Z nation in terms of production and casting. TWD had built up a large following so I am joking.

Still Z nation has some good stuff too. They already did the cannibal story. It is moving at a much faster pace and its fun.
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Oct 15, 2014
Hey, I'm watching Z Nation. It is ridiculous but it's fun and mindless. You're right, though. I seriously doubt that TWD is worried about that competition. :)
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Oct 14, 2014
AMAZING!! Even though it really felt like a season finale, I thought the ep was incredible. Yes I love Carol!! Team Carol all the way! She is now the ultimate badass. I am very very tired of Tyrese now. We get it, you have a problem with killing. But guess what bud? It's the apocalypse, get over it and get your hands dirty. Does anyone believe he really killed that guy in the cabin? We never did see a body so I'm kinda thinking that guy might pop back up. I loved Daryl's reaction when he saw Carol. That was a really touching scene when our group was all back together. I got a lump in my throat there.
And hey Morgan!!! So glad to see him back. I really hope we find out what he's been up to and he becomes a permanent figure. Lennie James is awesome and he needs to be a regular.
Great start. Let's just hope they can keep it up. I'm so glad to have The Walking Dead back!!
I have never read the comics but have heard everyone talk about Neegan and I can't wait to see him. I hope they introduce him soon...
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Oct 14, 2014
Well, I HAVE eaten brains before (just not human), a couple times now in fact, it was actually quite good.

I also now hail from (once again as of this weekend) the location of the largest zombie gathering in the world according to Guiness, so yeah, my zombie cred is rising.
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Oct 14, 2014
Sincerely, you have NO IDEA of what hunger means, even Rick´s group would resort happylly to cannibalism if that´s what were standing between them an survival.

It´s easy to dismiss the idea on a full stomach.
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Oct 14, 2014
one word: AWESOME
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Oct 14, 2014
We're back. The show I love to hate to love to hate has returned with a pretty entertaining premiere. I wasn't expecting, or at least I was praying, that we weren't going to spend the entire season at Terminus, I didn't think they were going to burn it to the ground in the first episode. Bravo! We're not going to get stuck with another farm house/prison/Woodbury scenario of waiting for the inevitable. Most importantly, the band is back together. While I'm not a fan of split casts, especially when split into 4s, the shake up in the format of the episodes gave me what I've been dying for from this show...character development. Hopefully they can maintain that now that everybody's together.

As disturbing as that scene should have been, I never got that feeling. 8 guys get lined up, 4 schmucks and 4 guys with their names in the main credits. Perhaps instead of paying attention to what was happening on sceen, I was waiting for the inevitable interruption that was going to save our heroes...and voila. The zombie appocalypse of, "You forgot to put a cover sheet on your TPS report.".

Carol, you're awesome. I don't think you should be in charge, but you're awesome.

Was there a point I was missing in the end of episode flashback to the Terminus folks being terrorized? I mean, that whole thing was explained to Carol by the matriarch, did we need to have that repeated visually? Especially after all but a few were killed or eaten? Wouldn't that information/scene have made much more sense at the beginning of the episode? {shrug}

"Apparently The Walking Dead spent its summer vacation pissed off and feeling like it had something to prove"

After the yo-yo that was season 4, it should have been pissed off and did have something to prove.

"But what really stood out to me was how ruthless the human-on-human violence was."

Out of curiosity, wasn't this one of your biggest pet peeves from past seasons?

"Did something happen to [Tyreese] in Season 4 that I'm forgetting?"

I asked the same question. I can only think of maybe some remnant trauma over having to kill psycho girl, but that's about it.

"Well hello there, Morgan!"

This could salvage season 5 in advance if Lennie James becomes a regular cast member. Though, in addition to the priest from next week, that would mean that two of either Michonne, Tyreese, Bob or Sasha are going to die...cause that's how TWD rolls.
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Oct 15, 2014
They'd better not kill of Michonne!

Tyreese was struggling with the violence even back in Woodbury. Remember he told the Governor that they would stay behind and protect the kids because the prison was the Gov's fight--not Tyreese's.

At the beginning of S4, Karen was doing fence duty to kill Walkers but Tyreese didn't want to do it. He's been a softie all along except when he had no other choice. But I still like him!!
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Oct 14, 2014
Oh, and out of curiosity, how long were they being held in those train cars cause those were some awfully impressive weapons made out of nothing {looking at you Michonne}
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Oct 14, 2014
I'm an idiot. I thought until like yesterday afternoon the "Then" was a flash forward of sorts. I even read an interview with Scott Gimple that said the guy who was taking the women in and out of the "Then" boxcar was the same one Glenn released that was promptly eaten. And, minor spoiler ahead because I know a general outline not specifics, I thought that guy might have represented the Hunters. Who honestly, I don't have a clear picture of since I think they actually represent something else in the story.



Okay, minor theories that might be spoilers, I haven't read the books but you pick up things and I am looking for one to be blown out of the water because it sort of makes me very sad...






So, Morgan. Let me explain my reasoning behind my fear, Gareth as I understand it is actually a bit of a combination of a few characters in the book while sort of making him unique on his own. Okay, and then while Daryl and Carole haven't replaced Dale and Andrea in terms of characters or really roles in the group, they represent alterations to the story or at least the characters. Then I see Morgan dressed the way he is. And I recall the crazy man we left back in "Clear." Is there any possibility that the whole person of Negan has been recreated into a potentially more horrible persona for our group. By being someone that Rick trusts almost to the level he trusts Daryl, Michonne and Glenn? I know he doesn't fit the physical characteristics, but the mask made it cross my mind and what Negan does and goddamnit I think the casting people and some of the writers are friends with the Teen Wolf people and probably really liked that arguably the most beloved character, while possessed by an evil spirit, killed the lead heroine who was kind of the most bad ass of characters.
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Oct 15, 2014
We're not supposed to discuss the comics/books here, and I have not read them, but like you, I have heard things from people who do read them. I believe that Morgan actually is in the comics, though not the same character as he is on the show. Anyway, I do not think he wil be Negan if that's what you are wondering.

On AMC's site--I believe it was the ultimate fan quiz--the description for Morgan's scene states that he comes upon the sign that Rick altered a few months later. So if that is correct, then we may not even see Morgan again until the next half of the season. I hope he is not going to become a baddie, but he did recognize the sybmols carved in the trees. Supposedly those symbols were in his apartment in season 3, but I haven't rewatched that episode yet to confirm it. Those symbols should be a clue to Morgan's future role.
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Oct 15, 2014
I meant to put please reply in private message in my initial comment but I was on a tangent.

Also, I'm responding to your message to maybe trick my notification into turning off since it keeps coming up.
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Oct 14, 2014
Just an amazing all-around episode that I hope the season continues to build upon.
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Oct 14, 2014
It just was too gore-y for me... but I would just look at my spaghetti and kept eating :-P

There! See? I knew there was a good reason for Carol being kicked out of the island prison: so she could save them later!
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Oct 14, 2014
This episode was great not just because Carol kicked ass and said screw taking names (#TeamCarol) but because the cannibal story was not allowed to stretch over the season. DING DONG!

I hated the story idea originally but I appreciate it now that it's over.
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Oct 27, 2014
So I spoke too soon and the some of the mofos survived. Not a happy camper!
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Oct 14, 2014
the first guy that got his throat cut was the penguin from gotham
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Oct 14, 2014
- MVP Carol... when did she become Ellen Ripley and the Terminatrix??! Love her bad-assery. I foresee tensions between her and Rick later; you can't have two alpha males in the group.

- Shout-out to Tyrone; he did good, killing off those zombies with his bare hands and beating that douchebag who threatened Judith to death. Before he died though, didn't he suggest to Tyrone that he take off with his car? The group could have commandeered it even if it couldn't carry all of them.

- Yep, Gareth is going to be the big bad of season 5.

- Where's Michonne's katana? I don't think that makeshift double blade-tipped spear is going to hold out in combat too well.

- And, where's Beth??! Please let her be safe, and continue to remain sweet and full of empathy.
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Oct 14, 2014
Great episode, and right at the end Tim has a gripe, surprise surprise, beginning to see this guy for what he is. You know why this episode wasnt the end of season 4 Tim and the start of season 5..............because it wasnt filmed yet. Carol rules and could we not have a whole "I cant kill people, oh yeah now I can kill people" angle for every character, a la Rick and now Tyreese, we are well into the apocalypse it should be second nature now.
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Oct 14, 2014
You say that Carol wins because you say that the "trust nobody" motto wins after this. And yet, I got the opposite feeling when this ended? They still don't want to become these people, they did not accept that. I am happy on how they managed to re-introduce Carol back in the group, though. She was already redeemed last season, in my opinion.
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Oct 14, 2014
If this has been said before, I apologize, but I believe the people who have Beth are the filth (or what's left of them) who wrecked Terminus...giving reason to the flashback.
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Oct 14, 2014
Carol rules! I do love all of my heroines ( yes, even Gemma ), but oh dear doesn't Carol shine in that pantheon of mine.
cool hairdo too!
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Oct 14, 2014
For the people who think that was Negan at the end, Kirkman confirmed it was NOT Negan.
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Oct 14, 2014
Thank god Kirkman never fucks with his fans, phew!
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Oct 14, 2014
Was the first walker that carol killed on the train tracks Andrea? It had blonde hair, handcuffs on one hand and half its face missing (as if the bullet didn't quite get the brain). It's even dressed just like Andrea was when she died. Anyone else see this?
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Oct 15, 2014
Both Greg Nicotera and Laurie Holden said it is not her. Nicotera said they recycle clothing and use it again so that's probably why people recognized the striped shirt.
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Oct 14, 2014
I noticed that! She looked taller. But maybe they intended for it to be her, but someone else played the part? Anybody?
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Oct 14, 2014
I barely noticed Carol was standing right behind Rick until Daryl ran to embrace her. People - and walkers - get mixed up among the trees.
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Oct 14, 2014
Carol &3
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Oct 14, 2014
That was so friggin awesome !!! Carol just ripped those cannibals a new one !
But where are Michonnes Katanas ? She cant go running around like Star Wars Kid......
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Oct 16, 2014
I hope Gareth keeps her Katana and he katana'd her the next time he sees her. lol
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Oct 14, 2014
In true Walking Dead fashion, I thought the Terminus was going to play out over the 1st half of the season. Imagine my surprise by the end of the episode Terminus was in flames and they were back on the road. If WD keeps that pace it would be awesome but we all know they won't and that's ok too. The quiet scenes make the big action sequences mean something. This episode is just what fans needed brutal, unflinching and it moved. If WD can keep mixing it up we might be on our way to the best season yet!!
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Oct 14, 2014
Great way to kick off the new season, but at the same time, I have to sort of agree with Tim (I know, I REALLY hate when that happens), this would have been so much better as a Season 4 finale to make up for all of the relatively pointless walking throughout the second half of last season.

Where is Beth? In the credits only for this episode it appears. Still hoping her getting nabbed in that random car last season was a chance to be saved from the criminals Daryl ended up with, or from the cannibals at Terminus, but I now fear she may have ended up with even worse company than those 2 groups (sad, that those 2 groups would seem better company by comparison; Welcome to TWD, folks!)

And we all know there is only one way to eat long pork, and it's with fava beans and chianti. If you can't pair it with these two, you don't bother eating human meat no matter how good a deal you strike with the morgue worker to get a taste.
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Oct 13, 2014
Great season opener, one of the best episdoe right there with the group leaving the farm in S2. not surprised that it got 8.7 ratings in the demo.
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