The Walking Dead "Thank You" Review: Lessons Learned the Hard Way

The Walking Dead S06E03: "Thank You"

Class is in session, and Professor Rick Grimes is schooling everyone in Advanced Apocalyptic Survival. Rick may have ceded most of "Thank You" to other characters, but his severe methods for not getting eaten by walkers echoed throughout what would be one of the most devastating hours of The Walking Dead ever (my stomach is still in knots, unlike Glenn's), and another stellar episode in what is so far the best season of The Walking Dead yet. Yeah, I said it! Best start to a season; Season 6 is seriously great so far. (Except for the sucky part about one my favorite characters dying, that is.)

What's made Season 6 so much better in these three episodes than all the seasons that came before it is how showrunner Scott Gimple has merged the fan-pleasing action of a zombie apocalypse with the meatier philosophical survival questions that gives the series the weight it needs to be more than just endless death and violence. All three episodes have had clear viewpoints and something to say, and all three episodes have had a body count that we all want to see from a show about the undead shambling around eating people. This is exactly the version of The Walking Dead I had always hoped it would be. 

I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: Rick has changed from the man in the earlier seasons who tried to save everyone to the man in Season 5 and 6 who understands that he can't save everyone. And he's taken it a step further, already marking people for death while they're standing in the huddle right next to him. That's incredibly harsh, but Rick's been through enough to favor the awful reality of life in this messed-up world over the shackling nobility of humanity that could get everyone killed. He's taken a grey area (keeping everyone alive at all costs) and made it very black and white, and in "Thank You" is was never more clear.


In the past, The Walking Dead would set up this debate with two people whisper-screaming at each other in a field or on a farm or in a prison, each so transparently taking a side that it felt preachy. What we've seen in Season 6, and particularly in "Thank You," is the debate play out in action right before our eyes, and the immediacy of danger serving as a catalyst to put a final stamp on the matter. The question was poised (Should we try and save everyone?) and it was answered not too long after (how about NO.). 

And there's a lot of smart writing going on to get that message across. Making the Alexandrians totally inept may leave us wondering how these idiots could have survived this long, but that's a minor quibble compared to why they're really important to the Season 6 story: they added a shade of human post-apocalyptic evolution to the conversation, a shade we've seen before. The Alexandrians are a throwback to Season 1 or 2 The Walking Dead survivors, people still getting their feet wet in this horrible world, and the contrast between them and Rick's group underlines the changes that we've seen our heroes go through. They used to be the Alexandrians, all green and dumb about what's needed to be done, and now they're efficient surviving machines. And then we have Rick, who is the next step in survival evolution, pulling Michonne, Glenn, and others towards his way of thinking. But when Rick's point is to let people die because they're useless baggage, it's a lesson that isn't easy to put into practice.

Before Rick took off to grab the RV, he said that some of these people won't survive and that Michonne, Glenn, and his pals had to do whatever they needed to do to survive (i.e. leave 'em behind if need be). It was a message neither of them wanted to hear, and it was a message that was even harder to put into action. And their reluctance to follow Rick's orders proved fatal. 


It's been a while since someone died in this show that really affected me, but Glenn's death isn't something that I'll be getting over anytime soon. ARGHHHHH! I looked on in disbelief as he tumbled into the zombie throng and put my head in my hands as he watched his intestines get slurped up by the undead. He wasn't the flashiest character, but Glenn was O.G. and the character I identified with most, and now that he's gone it feels like part of me is gone. I loved that guy and everything he stood for. But it's those things he stood for—believing in redemption, sacrificing himself for others, always wanting to save everyone—that got him killed. 

(If you'd like to see more on the raging debate about whether or not Glenn is actually dead, we're looking at the evidence in this story.)

It would be easy to point the blame at Nicholas, but from where I stood I saw a situation that went to shit, as they're wont to do in this world. Nicholas' suicide didn't get Glenn killed, if anything, Glenn reaching out for Nicholas' body—an instinctive reaction for a man as empathetic as Glenn—got Glenn killed. (Note: the screener I had wasn't great, so what I saw was Glenn falling off as he reached out for Nicholas.) But the lesson here was that Rick was right again and relying on others and trying to save everyone will only get you killed. Nicholas' confusion over where to go got them in this dead end, but I can't blame him since he lives in a Google Maps-less world. If you ask Rick, he'd say Glenn died back when he decided to give Nicholas another chance back in "First Time Again," and as noble of a gesture as that was and though it made me like Glenn even more as a human being, I'm inclined to agree with Rick here. And given the results, it's hard to argue that against that. 

That's what is making Season 6 so great. It's easy to watch this show and say, "Just kill him!" in every situation, but putting yourself in the actual situation would be entirely different. Season 6 has the difficult task of bringing us into Rick's thinking, essentially removing some of our humanity, but it's doing it by giving us instant results that we can't deny. 

This was even more evident with Michonne, who told Heath that she wasn't like Rick and they would be saving everyone. It didn't work. Actively trying to save the injured nearly got her killed—she was just a few inches from getting a red background on the Walking Dead wiki—but she lived to learn the sucky truth that Rick's been preaching. The herd must be thinned out so that only the strong remain, because the group is only as strong as its weakest link. Glenn won't have a chance to change his ways, but Michonne might. Shit is getting real, guys.

As these characters reluctantly accept this fact, we as an audience are reluctantly pulled into Rick's thinking as well. I'm sure some of you have been full on board with Rick's way of thinking from the start (and you're a monster!), but the power of Season 6 comes in our slow realization that Rick's totally right and the way The Walking Dead is presenting the argument. This show is humming along right now. 


FESTERING BITEMARKS


– So a few apologies are overdue on my part. I missed some details in the last episode that were pointed out by many of you, and that's my bad. In my defense, the online screeners I've been getting from AMC have been HORRIBLE; they skip around like a child after Sunday school, stutter like a 16-year-old boy talking to a supermodel, and I have to watch them in a window that's about 3 inches wide because if I pop it full screen the quality is even worse. I'm currently rewatching the Season 6 premiere on my DVR and TV like a normal person, and it's like watching the episode for the first time. If the quality of the screeners continues to be poor, I might opt to write these reviews Sunday night or Monday morning. Side benefit: .GIFs! Hope that is okay with you all.

– Usually the zombie chow that comes in the form of some random getting eaten isn't very effective, but the Alexandrians who died in this episode had a little more oomph to their deaths, Especially Husband Man, whose note never made it to his newlywed. That was very sad! 

– Well that certainly was a bad time for the RV to crap out. Rick is in some deep doo doo, and it looks like the breakneck speed of Season 6 will continue next week. This season is insane!

– At least Nicholas said, "Thank you" before killing himself. You're welcome, dickwad.


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Nov 02, 2015
Hi! I tried an episode of WD after about a year's hiatus, and I'm afraid the hiatus will be back in session. First and foremost: dialogue. TRITE, TRITE, TRITE. Same pathos, same encouragements, same "no leaving behind" we had SO many times already it's making my ears clog. So, we run, then we stop and have trite dialogue. Then ankles get hurt (of course) and zombies STILL sneak on people in the forest. And finally, we get a completely pointless death by one of the mainstays. Now, maybe the last season was SO bad it makes this seem good by comparison, but LORD this is not good.
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Nov 01, 2015
Nicholas was on top of glen when they fell, if not then where's Nicholas's body in that scene when they where on the ground? Plus if you look closely, the zombies where pulling intestines from glen's chest, now that didn't look right, did it? I don't know, maybe he's really dead :( and I'm just grasping at straws.
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Oct 30, 2015
I don't care if it doesn't make sense or whatever, I just want Glen to be alive. :'( I am in complete denial. I haven't let myself be sad because in my mind he is NOT dead.
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Oct 30, 2015
After all the insight profferred here re: Glenn's demise, I couldn't agree more. Sure, good folks die every minute, but this is a beloved character on a top TV show about zombies, so a slight suspension of (dis)belief is certainly in order. Rather than his death, it's harder to believe that a guy as sharp as Glenn would actually allow himself to be put in that situation in the walker mosh pit. I haven't seen any recent polls, but I'll wager that Carol and Glenn are more popular and beloved than Rick amongst us fans.

And I still think Rosita deserves more screen time. We're seeing waaaay too much of the Alexandria pudgies.
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Oct 29, 2015
The comments from those hoping Glen is still alive make me laugh.
He is dead - even if you don't believe you watched him die, there are still hundreds of zombies nibbling on his arms and legs out of the camera frame.
Unless those zombies are the previously unheard of vegan zombies, there is more chance of surviving a nuclear blast inside of a fridge than surviving being the guest of honour at a thousand strong zombie buffet.
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Nov 04, 2015
Harsh man harsh. Do you want to shoot my puppy and stab Santa Claus in the head whilst you're at it? :-)
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Oct 29, 2015
It's a television show. What happens is not reality; it's what the writers decide.

Do you really suppose the writers can't come up with a way for Glenn to get out of this jam?

Which is not to say they will. The writers may kill Glenn off. But it won't be because the laws of physics demand it.
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Oct 30, 2015
Spot on, man. Unfortunately, even three episodes into the sixth season's blood bath, the writers are inconsistent when it comes to the main characters and their experience in survivor tactics. The blood bath scenes with the wolves I can understand.

But against the zombies, Rick's group had plenty of time to prepare for the calculated risks. Whatever happened to covering the body with zombie goo to camouflage human scent like in the first season when Glenn and Rick were in the city?

Even when hell broke loose in this third episode, the split groups were killing zombies up ahead and leaving them. They had plenty of time. I kept yelling, "Put the damn zombie goo on, you idiots!" Michonne displayed better survivor tactics by herself before she became a part of the group. Now, as a part of a group, she gets a brain fart. The main driving force of this episode was that the writer's were wanting more blood bath than an intelligent script. They "know" their audience. Poor Alexandrians. Everywhere Rick and his group goes, death and stupidity follows.
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Oct 30, 2015
Like the Michonne trick of slicing off zombie arms and jaws and making pets of them to walk unmolested among the undead.

It seemed to me the writers wanted to punish us for feeling good about the big Carol victory in episode 2!
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Oct 29, 2015
Of course the writers can come up with a way for Glenn to survive. This could be the big reveal that Glenn is actually the last son of Krypton for all we know. There just isn't any way for the writers to have Glenn survive without them having to throw out their credibility. Credibility is something that is important to a writer - if they throw that out and the viewers actually take note and remember, then those writers have burned their own career. They become unemployable in the field.
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Oct 30, 2015
The woman who fell behind and was eaten up by the zombies shot her last bullet at the zombies instead of killing herself. Why? I just can't explain it, I'd be so horrified knowing I'd be eaten alive, the first thing I'd do would be pointing that gun at myself! In my opinion, credibility took a hit there, too.
And later they let Husband Guy be eaten up without quickly shooting his brain out so he could die without suffering. They just stood there and watched him! I can understand if the Alexandrians were unable to move due to their fear or whatever, but at least Michonne has done worse things than killing a friend out of mercy! It's the least I'd expect of her...
(The van-falling-off-the-bridge-scene wins the prize though)
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Oct 30, 2015
Michonne may be showing her age and was too slow on the uptake to put down Husband Guy; after all, the Michonne we once knew and loved would have been up and over that fence like a cat on a date. The word "clamber" perfectly describes their slow-mo assault on the fence. It looked like they were carrying 150-lb. ruck sacks. With a horrible hateful hungry horde hot on her heels, Michonne shouldn't have even felt the steel.
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Oct 30, 2015
Watching Husband Guy just get eaten bothered me too.

Why didn't someone shoot him in the head? Or if they didn't want to spend a bullet, Michonne could have stabbed him in the heart, then the head.

I'd have thought survivors would have a mutual understanding about that.
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Oct 29, 2015
For me their credibility took a hit when the writers contrived this whole "Is Glenn alive or isn't he" cliffhanger.

But credibility is usually a matter of degree, not a "yes you have it; now you don't" kinda thing. I'm already believing seven impossible things before breakfast when I watch a zombie show.
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Oct 29, 2015
You must have missed the physics-bending van-falling-from-the-bridge sequence from last season. Credibility takes second stage to story telling on this show. And I'm okay with that. It is a show about zombies, after all.
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Oct 29, 2015
I´m pretty sure Glenn made it. It was clearly not his body they were eating and as he is such a main character i think they would show his death so much more obvious. Or is the plan so show the rest of him getting eaten on the next episode?

Also, he will be pretty much totally devoured by that many Zombies so how will they EVER actually see his body to make sure he´s dead?
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Oct 29, 2015
What about Carol, was not she, or at least it seems like her in wolf disguise, shot by Rick at the RV?
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Oct 29, 2015
No, Rick killed the five Wolves who menaced Morgan towards the end of episode 2. One of them was the red-haired Wolf who attacked Morgan at the beginning of Season 5, Episode 16.

Here is the red-haired Wolf shooting at Rick in the RV:

I'm wondering what happens if Rick figures out that Morgan kept letting the Wolves go who came back to attack the good guys.
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Oct 30, 2015
For all Rick knows, Morgan and everyone at Alexandria is dead by now. He only saw these 5, he doesn't know how many more are out there and/or how many people they have killed so far.

They could be leading the heard away from a ghost town for all they know.
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Oct 30, 2015
Maybe that's why Rick seemed so disconsolate, which I thought was about the zombie blood contact with his hand cut.

I wish Daryl had gone back to Alexandria so he could report to Rick what had happened. I'm still not sure what Daryl was doing.
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Oct 29, 2015
There's also the chance that whoever survived the slaughter back at Alexandria won't judge Rick's group so bad if a beloved member died.

Then again, I'm hoping Betsy was killed only so that she wouldn't have to find out her husband was killed on the run.
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Oct 30, 2015
I don't hope Betsy died, I mean, what if she prefers to live as a widow rather than be dead... Hmmm
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Oct 29, 2015
I don't know if they tried to be clever with Glenn's death. What I mean is, as of the end of the previous season, I already had Glenn as marked for death. How he took a bullet in the shoulder, knackered, busted and broken, fell to the ground with four/five zombies/not_zombies_but_walkers crawling all over him. Then in a final scene of the season comes running back into camp. I bet twenty quid with my little sister that he's been bitten and start of next season it's about him dying the walker's death. (I give you mercy...)
And just as I'm paying my little sister the twenty quid I owe her, Glenn is getting eaten alive! I want my money back! I was right all along! Stop trying to be clever TWD!!!
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Oct 29, 2015
That was it, the episode that finally tipped the scales for me. No more Walking Dead on my PVR. The love/hate is over.

Seriously, nothing makes any sense on this show anymore, Glenn's 'death' is the last straw. Either the writers had him die uselessly (by now we've seen enough 'shock' random deaths to prove how tough the apocalypse is) or they are faking us out for no reason. And Rick, what a terrible leader. Every situation he leads the gang into turns into dust, and the only way he gains any credibility as a character is that other survivors, like the town's people, are all hopelessly (and unrealistically) incompetent or deluded in comparison.

Anyways, I could go on, but I'll spare you. I just can't watch watch a show anymore where character development is almost solely a measure of how ruthless a killer they've become, and the 'drama' is just an hour of violence and zombie kills. Really, why not just have an hour of random people killing (or being killed by) zombies or other people, and forget about anything else.

So that's it. Enough of this hamster wheel, with the same pattern of the characters drifting, then finding sanctuary and then having it go to hell, accompanied by the 'who will die this time' lottery. I don't need to waste any more time on this show when it is obviously run out of ideas and is going nowhere we haven't been before.
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Oct 30, 2015
The group dynamics suck so bad on this show that poor Enid left to go solo. JSS. By the way, zombie goo is the new sunscreen in a zombie apocalypse. Put some on (yes, it stinks, but no one said that survival was pretty) every day (except when it rains) and the only thing you'll have to worry about are human packs.
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Oct 29, 2015
If you don't enjoy the show, stop watching. You'll be happier.
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Oct 30, 2015
Well, I believe I just said that.
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Oct 29, 2015
I watched the scene 3 times and I can't decide if it's Nick's guts or Glenn's. I also don't see how he can get out of there unless he uses the old, immerse yourself in zombie guts and move slowly and erratically, to get out. Also, what about Rick getting surrounded by the herd??? Back in Alexandria....GO Carol and Morgan. Lots to look forward to in the next episode. It's TV, relax, disengage your brain and enjoy.
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Oct 28, 2015
For me, unless I'm a total moron, Glenn is obviously alive.
Just check the cast of the next episodes in IMDB and you'll see that Gleen is in all of it, from the beginning to the very end of this season:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/epcast#season-6

Unless, of course, the director want to film the rest of the season starring a new Glenn-Zombie character, hehe

Sorry for my English :-)
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Oct 31, 2015
Honestly, IMDB doesn't mean shit. He could be in flashback form. TWD is doing a lot of non-linear storytelling. Just because he's listed as appearing in an episode doesn't mean he's alive.
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Nov 12, 2015
In all of the rest of the season 6 episodes?
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Oct 28, 2015
As there are more fans on Tim's reviews than there are on the other comment boards ... here's another. Remember, you saw it here first.


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Oct 28, 2015
A bit late on reading the review, but cannot emphasise how explosively great the season has started of. All 3 episodes filled with violence and Walker madness! Has that ever happened before? All parts aside, it's quite obvious that Glenn has NOT DIED. IT was clear in my non-screening version, Nicholas fell on top of Glenn, as was confirmed when Glenn looked down watching the GUTS being eaten. It was also clear that the area of body from which they were being eaten away was not where you'd find em if it was Glenn (near his neck region). It was sooo shocking in the first place they actually orchestrated that event, I genuinely thought he was dead when he fell. However, it'll be a bit cheap as to how they plan to get him out of it, it seemed like the BIN was conveniently located. And all in all, one would think it's quite an impossible scenario to escape especially since his legs or other parts would be vulnerable amidst his screaming.
I miss the old Rick who tried to save everyone" but am also starting to like his logical "save yourself first" way of commanding his troops. It was quite cool how this prediction turned out to be so accurate during their salvaging of the mission. Despite his message "we are doing this for them" as a way of saying we have to continue on to divert the Walkers, you could tell he was genuinely worried of what was happening at Alexandria. This was especially evident after that Wolf attack & the consequent RV breakdown. At this rate, the whole plan could f*&k up.
Also, can anyone tell me, the herd that surrounded Rick, were they heading towards Alexandria or not (due to the loud horns and gunshots).
Also, what was Daryl doing when he rode away, he was heading towards Alexandria to check up yea?
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Oct 28, 2015
I too would like to where Daryl was riding to and why. I watched the episode and it wasn't clear.

I thought he was riding towards Alexandria or Rick, but then he ended up at a crossroads with Abraham and Sasha plus the zombie horde.

I guess he went ahead then turned back around, obeying Rick's last orders.
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Oct 27, 2015
Does it seem like everywhere Rick's company goes disaster happens? I mean people at Alexandria were living a "normal" life until the numbnuts arrived. And dont tell me about the zombie pit and the trucks, i refuse to acknowledge that this was only the reason that the community was working.

Everywhere they go, they cause trouble. All the people they have met are dead and every chance they get at a normal life it fails miserably.

I understand that this happens for the purpose of the show but damn, Rick has had some bad luck. And maybe some very stupid ideas!
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Oct 28, 2015
Not really, Noah's family was slaughtered before the group found them and, to be fair to the Terminus's gang, they were raped and tortured long before they became cannibals themselves.

The Governor's crew and the Grady Memorial were doing bad on their own, so did the people at the CDC, Bob's 3 groups before this one, the Vatos from the elderly home and Morgan's family.

Whether the group would've found Alexandria or not, the wolves would've caught up with them, if the herd from episode 2 didn't catch them first. It's happening everywhere, regardless who happens to find whom.
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Oct 28, 2015
You seem to know your stuff so I am going to have to accept your point :)

But I will keep believing that Rick's group has had some very bad luck but also made some very dumb decisions.
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Oct 28, 2015
I'd say they made the best calls they could've made under the circumstances, their merit is not that they have survived thus far but that, somehow, they stuck together throught it.

Daryl lost his brother because of Rick, Andrea lost her sister, Glenn lost Dale, Carol lost her only child, Sasha her only boyfriend, Carl his mom, Maggie lost her father, even Rick lost his wife and, for a brief period, he thought he lost his daughter, they have all lost Shane, T-Dog and now probably Glenn.

They all have something to lose.
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Oct 27, 2015
That was a fucking intense episode!!
Thought Glenn was dead at first but it has to be Nich's intestines the walkers were eating!
Rick's a beast!
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Oct 28, 2015
That's why I'm a Michonne-Rick shipper. I know I'm swimming against the tide, here, but can you imagine how fierce their children would be? The zombies would run away in fear!
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Oct 28, 2015
I like to believe that about Glen; his death seems too much :( - but then i also thought about how they gave him an "exit line" with him calling Rick a dummy over the walkie-talkie just like in the pilot; a sad full-circle
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Oct 27, 2015
What's making this season great is that there is a lot of action, confusion and fear. Not the fact that rick is right and is ok to kill people that are weaker, let them die because they are useless, or any of that. The moral compass is there and eventually will show up again. To prove it, the guy with the stick arrived just in time to remind us of the other side of the story.
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Oct 27, 2015
GLENNS ALIVE SQUAD. GANG GANG GANG, He is under dumpster bet money. they were eating nick guts theres no intestines in ur chest,
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Oct 27, 2015
Talking Dead caught the start of and nearly choked on my dinner did the presenter state that the Walking Dead a Family show really !
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Oct 28, 2015
Well, it's a show about a family. Does that count?
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Oct 27, 2015
Every now and again comes an episode that just unrealistically stacks all the odds against the 'good guys'. This was one of those episodes.

I mean... Tripping and hurting your ankle I sort of understand. It's a bit trope-y, bordering on clichéd, but I don't mind. But accidentally shooting a friend in the leg and then running away and then getting eaten? Lolwat? I used a dumb word like "lolwat" to emphasize how dumb that entire chain of events was. Who comes up with these? Because it was dumb. It was almost as dumb as trying to use 2 inch scissors to kill a person who's armed and around other armed friends of hers.

I'm enjoying season 6. But I have to say that it really is just the same old. Ridiculous amount of idiot balls being handed to characters so people can die for the Shock Value™.
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Oct 27, 2015
Thank you I wondered how that fellow alexandrian got that wound because he wasnt bit .
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Oct 27, 2015
For the record, I am calling BS on Glenn's death. The writers don't have the stones, just like with Daryl. They will think of some BS way for him to escape and that will be one more thing for people to complain about.

Also, I think it's obvious that Chris Hardwick and friends have some inside info about what really happens and what doesn't on this show. Does he just magically know not to put Glenn in the memorandum? What about Judith in S4 ep 8? The writers already told him the truth and he's just leading us on. Stupid talk show host benefits...
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Oct 27, 2015
FWIW Talking Dead did show Glenn falling off the dumpster in "In Memoriam" though not list him by name, just the tag, "Please don't let this be true," three times.

I'm betting Glenn is coming back, however BS it is.
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Oct 27, 2015
I want to see zombie Glenn.
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Nov 01, 2015
Well, that's not what I want, but I think Rick will see him again as zombie.
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Oct 27, 2015
I'm not buying it. Glenn is one of The Walking Dead's pantheon. Up there with Rick, Daryl, and Michonne. His dead will be glorious and super heroic, not dumbed down. His plot armor is getting thinner, for sure (the prison plague, got left behind when prison fall, etc), but it will still protect him this time. For the last time, perhaps.
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Oct 27, 2015
To everyone who wants Glenn to really be dead I send a big thumbs down. 👎🏻
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Oct 26, 2015
So now Morgan's live-and-let-live philosophy has led the Wolves to Alexandria and let the Wolves go in episode 2 who attacked Rick in episode 3 -- with the gun no less which Morgan allowed a Wolf steal.

I'll be curious if Rick puts that together in the next couple shows.
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Oct 28, 2015
I think the show is building to a show down between the two and the groups that share their beliefs.
I'm becoming a bit bemused by Morgan. He's been out there too long to be this naive. I understand he's had a spiritual awakening, but that doesn't alter the universe in which he lives. The Alexandrians lived like preschoolers in a sandbox; their walls largely protected them until now. But Morgan's been through it all.
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Oct 30, 2015
I think the problem is that Morgan has been moving/surviving alone. He's not been part of a group, he's always only risked his own life by his actions, i.e. by sticking to his noble principles. Maybe now he will start to understand that he is risking OTHER people's life - and change his ways.
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Nov 01, 2015
Yes, and I think Michonne is opening his eyes.
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Oct 26, 2015
If Glenn is dead I applaud the show. It's been a while since someone from the original group was killed off, and the timing is perfect. Just when there's so many incompetent characters in the Alexandrians, and The Group has gotten so well-versed in zombie-slaying and being overall BAMFs, Glenn dying is unexpected, bold and reminds us that not all the main characters have plot/ratings armor.

However, when watching the scene I also thought we saw Nicholas's entrails being ripped out.
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Oct 27, 2015
I def agree that killing off a main character is really dramatic and adds good emotion to the drama but I really hope he's alive.
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Oct 26, 2015
Remember Beth from last season. Same denial and heartbreak. People die and we go on with living.
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Oct 30, 2015
Guns can kill accidentally too: we grew too accustomed to characters knowing to handle guns that we forgot guns can go off by accident, even by the most responsible police officer.

Same thing with Alexandrians: we grew accustomed to characters not knowing how to survive that we just forgot how sucky the chances really are even when you know what you're doing.
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Oct 27, 2015
The denial in Beth's case was caused by her momentarily lapse into an IQ of a single digit so we'd get TWD Shock Value™ death to keep us interested for the mid-season break.

I mean really... Scissors... That small... Against an armed woman? Critisizing Beth's death really has nothing to do with denial per se. Just more of a "seriously though... write better deaths pls".
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Oct 26, 2015
Stories are illusions. They are made up by humans for other humans to believe for a short span of time. That's the way it is.

My problem with this episode is that I could sense the writers too much. It was like seeing the wires used by Superman to fly.

I don't care whether Glenn is alive or dead. I could tell that the writers maneuvered Glenn and Nicholas into the alley for a Big Death or a Big Fake Death.

Even if Glenn really is Dead, we know that the writers wanted to leave us hanging. Glenn is underneath Nicholas, Maybe that's not his blood. Maybe he can roll over and hide under the dumpster. Maybe...

Bah. I feel jerked around.
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Oct 26, 2015
Your second and third point are spot on. Very well stated.
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Oct 26, 2015
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Oct 26, 2015
It's so funny reading people's comments because it's like NO NOT GLEN PLEASE NOT GLEN RIP :( :( ... To.....I WILL HATE TWD IF HE IS STILL ALIVE. Lol
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Oct 26, 2015
It wouldn't be the first show that couldn't pull the trigger on a beloved character. It won't be the last. This is what separates good shows from great shows.
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Oct 28, 2015
This series has shown itself more than willing to kill main characters. Dale, Lori, T-Dogg, Andrea, Herschel, Beth, Tyreese, I'm probably forgetting others. However, it would not be out of character for Glen to survive. He is a smart, brave, and capable man who has shown himself extremely able to think on his feet. His dependence on Nicolas was a mistake, but I think he purposely made it to try to help Nicolas regain some confidence. Because, as we know, Nicholas is a bad enemy to have. But once Nicolas was gone, Glen only had to worry about himself. If there's a way under that dumpster, he would find it and made his way there. And that's not unbelievable. It's totally and completely in character. I hope he's hiding there now.
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Oct 28, 2015
The key is fan favorite. None of those you mentioned save for maybe Herschel were a fan favorite.

I would say the central, fairly safe characters would be Rick, Carl, Carol, Daryl, Michonne and Glenn maybe Maggie. Just plot wise, they have far more options with them then they did with any of the ones that you mentioned.
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Oct 30, 2015
Oh Lori was certainly a fan favorite - to hate ;-)
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Oct 29, 2015
You're right about Tyreese. It was a wasted opportunity. There was a complex character waiting to be revealed and it was squandered.
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Oct 28, 2015
T-Dogg maybe. Tyrese was a little whiner that was properly relegated to baby sitter. His inability cost them and nearly to Judith killed. Sorry, nope.
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Oct 28, 2015
I always thought there was so much they could have done with T-Dogg. Tyreese too.
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Oct 26, 2015
Even though part of me hopes Glenn is alive because he deserves a better death than falling off a dumpster with a moron, I think it would be a neat twist if both Glenn and Rick died before mid-season. That would be the biggest shock we could ever hope for.
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Oct 27, 2015
"Death by moron" ... dang, that's funny!
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Oct 26, 2015
In fact, it would be great if Glenn turned and then bit Rick.
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Oct 27, 2015
I don't want either to die but I would def want to see Glenn turn and bite Rick. Hahaha that's sooo funny.
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Nov 01, 2015
Bite Rick's hand...
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Oct 26, 2015
In the promo for next episode, it seems is going to be about Morgan doing some philosophical thinking and learning Kung-Fu with the well polished wood stick of his. So the Glenn mystery may have to wait for a couple of weeks.
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Oct 28, 2015
What is with these tv shows now that anyone become a black belt master in martial arts in only 6 months or a year? It's already hard to embrace these things in a silly series like Arrow...
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Oct 28, 2015
I understand in Arrow. That Laurel is out there fighting crime against big well trained dudes, is the most non credible I have seen in TV history. Ever.
But Morgan did have time to train, and with 4 to 6 hours let's say 5 times a week, anyone can become pretty good.
Still, Karate Kid got to beat the champion in some Asian country after just two hours ;)
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Oct 29, 2015
Well, Morgan must've had a hellish of sensei... Let's see what they'll come up with :P
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Oct 28, 2015
I know why they are doing it now. If it were a normal episode and going to be followed by a flashback to the origins of kung fu, many people would be inclined to find something else to do with their time. But stick it in the middle of a cliffhanger like this and people will tune in and watch, without blinking, for the entire ninety minutes, hoping against hope, they will get a glimpse of what happened. It's a lesson I think they learned from the governor/Brian episodes. For two whole weeks, people huffed and pouted (me too) because the show had deviated from our gang to show what happened to someone we all hated. So, BIG cliffhanger before, and people will watch. I still plan to do a lot of complaining, though.
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Oct 27, 2015
Okay I love Morgan to death, but NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR A SLOW CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT EPISODE! THE ACTION HASN'T SUBSIDED YET! Much as I love Morgan, if next week's 90 minute episode is all about him I will be greatly disappointed.
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Oct 29, 2015
Well, get ready for disappointment, dear, cause it's coming.
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Oct 26, 2015
We won't know for sure about Glenn until the mid-season finale most likely. It would really suck if they strung us along until next spring. lol!
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Oct 28, 2015
I guess we'll know for sure after the Morgan's episode, which should be good. Myself, I am sure Glenn is dead and I have no struggle to wait to find out.
One thing I have learn, against my strong wishes, that once dead in The Walking Dead, forever dead. No character gets to be brought back alive.
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Oct 28, 2015
In an episode of Fear the Talking Dead, one of the producers said if we don't actually see a character die, we can never assume he's dead. Glen was alive at the end of this week's ep. I'm holding on to that.
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Oct 28, 2015
Yours may be the healthier way. But then again, we were almost assured Judith was dead, but her cute little self is still there (constantly changing as new babies play her of course). She's the only other one we haven't actually seen die, but we to assume she was dead.
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Oct 28, 2015
OK. I understand. Good to keep optimistic. But another thing I learn through 5 seasons of The Walking Dead is to let go of those killed once the episode is done. I already used to much energy and words to condemn unnecessary dead characters that didn't bring anything to the story. Killed because the writers had nothing else in mind? Well, that is how The Walking Dead is. But in this case it follows the comics, so I was prepare for something like this to happen. Again, I understand you and others. I already have move on and I don't expect Glenn other than as a ghost form or flashbacks.
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Oct 28, 2015
I think the difference here is that we didn't actually see him die. After closer examination, it was the other guy's intestines they were eating. Granted it seems 99.9% impossible that Glenn could make it out of that situation alive or unbitten, but it's TV and TWD is such a ratings monster now that they are liable to pull any stunt to please (or piss off) fans.
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Oct 26, 2015
I was very sad to see Glen go but when they never went back to basically confirm his death that is when I became skeptical about whether he was actually dead. Personally I want him to be alive because I love Glen.
Who doesn't love Glen? He's been by Ricks side since episode two. And he's pretty much remained consistent. He is a good person who still has morals but he doesn't try to shove them down people's throats. He still wants to save the human race, rather than just his family. He has been through a lot but he hasn't let it change him, in the sense of his humanity. And Maggie? She has lost her father, her sister (which still pisses me off) and now her husband !!! She will lose
it. It's basically suicide for her.
BUT this is the Zombie Apocalypse and people are going to die. Whether or not they are main characters. In the real world a lot more of Ricks group would probably already be dead. People have to die in the Zombie Apocalypse and I don't expect the show to keep people around just because I like them lol. So I can accept that he is dead BUT I really hope that he is not. I don't care about how elaborate his escape would have to be lol.
I kept hoping that his voice would come through the walkie talkie and give the world a sigh of relief.

-can we talk about how the same WOLVES who Morgan let leave almost killed Rick???????
- also Rick is now stuck out there surrounded by Zombies. How will he escape?? What a way for an episode to end.
- HOLY ZOMBIES. This season right?? I found myself saying I'm sick of these zombies! But then I had to check myself, girl you are watching a show about the Zombie apocalypse you better deal with it.
- SO many bad decisions were made this episode. I remember Rick basically saying YOU WONT ALL MAKE IT BUT YOU (Michonne and Glen) BETTER MAKE IT BACK. Basically leave the weak behind if ya have to. I understand why they didn't want to, but we all know that if they had left the girl with the sprained ankle and the dude with the bleeding leg to die GLEN would still be here and they would have made it back together. I kept yelling LEAVE THEM.
And then instantly feeling bad about feeling that way. (TWD what are you doing to me?) . Either way it would have been the right decision. Right? Agree with me, to make me feel better about writing that lol!
- Ricks hand!!!!!??? It's a goner, ya think?
- what was up with Daryl? He left to go back to Alexandria (I assume) but then he heard Rick in trouble and it seemed he was going to go help him, but then he ended up back with Abe and the herd.
- last week I said something like I would really love to have a stand alone episode of Morgan's journey so we could all get a better understanding of him, and why he is the way he is. But it couldn't come at a worse time because all we want to know is whether or not Glen is dead and now we have to wait an extra week or more! Lol ah well. Still excited to see Morgan's journey. Maybe his ways won't seem so annoying, after next weeks episode. It's going to be a quiet one I feel.

Honestly this season has been incredible so far. Never ever a dull moment. No moments to breathe or to relax. Just constant craziness and this is how it should be!! I hope it doesn't slow down.
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Oct 26, 2015
I'm glad there are commercials, so I can unclinch and breathe
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Oct 26, 2015
It's pretty silly, but he's most likely alive. I like the guy, but I call bullshit. There's no way he should be able to get out of that. The walkers would eat, the other guy and make their way to him eventually. For him to come out without so much as a bite is totally ridiculous even for a show about Zombies.
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Oct 26, 2015
Since many are squabbling over whether Glenn's attempt to crowd-surf over zombies was because Nicholas' fall accidentally pulled Glenn with him, or because Glenn tried to stop Nicholas from falling, here's the footage:

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Oct 26, 2015
Looks like he is pulling the body of Nicholas on top of him in his fall. They were eating Nicholas' intestines. He's not dead, at least I hope he's not!
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Oct 26, 2015
WOW. You are dead on (pun intended)!!

And a few seconds past this, I remember nothing but a sea of legs, seen from ground level perspective. Maybe the Artful Dodger will return, scramble 'neath that dumpster and live to fight another day - ?
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Oct 26, 2015
Yay, Finally! Finally Rick's dumbass decisions took a toll on him. Finally! I kind of cheered at that moment when he cut himself. Dumb.

I couldn't really feel the tension of all of this because the thought I kept coming back to was, how far away were they from the town? The Quarry couldn't have been but a couple of miles tops. Rick and Morgan dropped the body off there and they had a car but Ron followed them and I haven't seen any bikes so it couldn't have been that far. Daryl and the guys in the car said they went five miles so how long exactly should it have taken the people to actually get from where they were to the town. It shouldn't have taken that long. I don't know, it still bugs me.

Then Rick in his infinite stupidity, attempts to get back to the town with a passel of morons. Leadership just isn't his foray, nor is adapting and thinking in the moment. You leave the morons where they are. Have them find a secure place to keep safe and then you take the fastest and head to the town. Or you get a vehicle and then all head to the town. Then, after two people are injured, then you have the bright idea of running back to get one yourself. Better idea was to send Glen, the fastest person you have, who is good on his own. Then to top it all off, you cut yourself on Walkers that you didn't have to kill at the moment.

But, the greatest part of all of this is that any of these fools have the cardio enough to run that much. They don't, they are out of shape and are haggard. Rick doesn't have the fitness to run 500yds let alone however many miles they were trying to depict on screen.

Now whether Glenn is dead or not is another thing. Personally I kind of hope that he is. Mostly because he has been getting more and more foolish as we have gone. You don't take the moron that almost got you killed, that tried to kill you with you to escape. You just don't, you are Glenn, who has stated numerous times that he is better and faster on his own. That was one of the first things we learned about him in season 2. On his own, Glen would have survived, there was a staircase on the side of one of the buildings, Glen by himself would have gone up that and been ok. But he followed Nicholas and either got him killed or severely traumatized.

Back to more Glen and whether being alive or not. One thing this show does, and is horrible at is the lack of surprise in any of this. They might as well put a sign in the beginning of the episode say something is going to happen to Glen. The whole thing with Dumbass as he rightly called Rick and other things just was the writing on the wall. The only thing that leaves his fate in ambiguity is that he said to Michonne that would light a fire to signal them. That, plus his status in the group, leads me to believe that he might still live. Tyrese made it out of a swarm of walkers and he didn't have 1/4 of the skills Glen has.

The other thing is, I know it is individuals and they all have been addressed individually. But how many times do they have to tell people from Alexandria that they have no idea how to survive. I mean this was what the 4th or 5th time, just this season. It is getting repetitive and annoying.

Overall it was all right. But it is still coming off of the horrible premise of their idiotic plan to deal with the walkers in the quarry. And the continued problems with lateral thinking and adapting to the environment that they find themselves in.

I do hope that Rick gets some type of infection from his cut. That would be nice.
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Oct 30, 2015
I think Rick might be able to run that much. Remember how much they have been walking before they arrived in Alexandria. Walking that much should not be underestimated as cardio exercise. And he's not starved any longer, as they had plenty of food in Alexandria. It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but it's an explanation I can buy with a little bit of good will :-)
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Oct 26, 2015
But Mate, The Alexandrians aren't ready. Rick and his group have been so much and they haven't been through anything. Do you have any idea what Rick and his crew have gone through, and how little they've been through? The Alexandrians aren't cut out for this, that's why they need Rick's help. Rick thinks less of The Alexandrians, because The Alexandrians aren't cut out for this. If Rick and his crew don't intervene, The Alexandrians will never be ready. The Alexandrians need to learn the hard way, or else they will be forever unready.

How many times was that? Haha

In all seriousness, Glenn should be dead. Even if Nicholas landed on top of him, there is no way Glenn would avoid getting bit. They've already established the whole guts camouflage only works when you're using zombie guts, not fresh, just got eaten guts. There is no way he should be getting out of this predicament, and honestly, ever since the finale of last season, he seems like a character who has been living on borrowed time (yeah yeah, you can say that about all of them). Besides, Glenn should have just killed that moron to begin with.

Also, isn't annoying how the walkers just stay on the road perfectly when following the car? You would think they would kind of just wander all around the area, but no, they are walking in multiple single file lines, all on the road.
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Oct 26, 2015
I just wonder, what they would have to do for or to the Alexandrians for them to say, oh yea, we don't know anything. But taking them with the group was a foolish choice. And they just kept making it.

You bring up a good point about the Zombie guts. Why wouldn't that be used. Glenn knows about it, I don't understand the regression of the group from ideas and strategies that they know works and yet don't ever reuse. That would have been a key one.

Screw walking in a straight line, they justify that by sound and vision in an entity that would no longer have hearing or sight. How about just the speed walking of the Zombies. They go at what. .5 to maybe 1.5 MPH and that is being generous. Them just appearing everywhere around them is asinine. Which again makes me question the amount of time that has passed.

There is no way they shouldn't have been able to make it back to the town. If Morgan did it that fast then they shouldn't have taken that long and why the long way through the city. This all seems like one big convenience and is probably why I am more annoyed than usual. Even if say they were 3 miles away from town they shouldn't have been there within a half hour, even if they are all slow. Makes no sense.
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Oct 28, 2015
I think you just hit on how Glen might be able to get out of this. If he has a knife (and if he miraculously doesn't get bitten first) he might slice open a couple of the walkers and get himself soaked in zombie guts. That could ruin their taste for Nicholas and they move on. It's a real stretch but it borders on the almost plausible.
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Oct 26, 2015
You're usually not this unpleasant. Maybe it's time you took a break from the show. I know, why don't you watch this season of Fear the Walking Dead. Then you can truly know how stupid a show can be.
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Oct 26, 2015
I think because this is now tripling down on the first premise of let's guide a few thousand walkers down the road.

Plus I tend to focus on the negative especially in regard to some the decision making skills of the group that haven't gotten better or they just get worse depending on what the writers need. The inclusion of the Alexandrians and their ineptitude is one thing. But the writers are continually dragging the other characters down in order for them to write the episodes that they want to write. I have always talked about the writers and their inability to have these characters learn and adapt. This is the culmination of it.

I admire the time use of this season. Three episodes all within what an hour amount of time. I think that is great, I think it was an interesting way to go about the first part of the season. But, as with any show it is a balance of what they do good vs what they do bad. And still this show's bad far outweighs the good that it brings forth.
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Oct 28, 2015
As for their decision-making skills, I can see your point. However, this is more than a herd, larger than a mega herd. They are in a completely unfamiliar place having to work with people they've never worked with before, who are completely inept. I think sometimes we demand too much of them in that regard. It's easy to see a way out from the couch, but maybe not so easy from their viewpoint.
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Oct 29, 2015
It was a good plan and it would have worked if the wolves hadn't blown the horn and pulled the back half off course. I don't know why Abraham and Sasha didn't just blow their own horn and pull them back, though. I guess they were too busy discussing the benefits of livings vs dying.
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Oct 28, 2015
I understand that. But, there is no dress rehearsal in an apocalypse. If they aren't competent enough to survive outside of the fence then they aren't competent enough to be outside of the fence. That should have been taken into account when coming up with their ill conceived plan.
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Oct 28, 2015
It was supposed to just be a dress rehearsal. Things went south really quickly.
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Oct 28, 2015
Well then the easy option would have been to leave the Alexandrians at home and test them on something that isn't so dire. Or perceived to be dire, because I don't think the scenario was that dire.
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Oct 26, 2015
&&– At least Nicholas said, "Thank you" before killing himself. You're welcome, dickwad.&&

Exactly my thoughts.
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Oct 26, 2015
Actually we clearly saw Nicholas falling ON TOP of Glenn, it was made pretty clear I thought. So I do think that Glenn is stuck under him, will get covered in shit and becomes invisible to the zombies and... survive. I doubt he is dead. Wasn't even that much of a Glenn centric episode.
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Oct 26, 2015
Yup, I kept rewinding the part to see if the intestines were actually coming out of Glenn but the angle of the shot clearly was deliberate by the show to create confusion. Although I'm hoping Glenn is indeed stuck below Nicholas, how on earth is he gonna survive the swarm of Zoms once they ate thru Nicholas? Again, this is TV so your guess is as god as mine. But if Glenn were truly the one being eaten, then TWD, nope, not very nice. Not very nice indeed. Watching the first 3 incredible episodes of this season, I had an epiphany of sorts. If u wanna feel truly HOPELESS, then this season will do the trick. Damn, time for some Ellen sunshine to change the landscape.
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Oct 26, 2015
Fabulous review, with insight I hadn't considered. Here's more:

1. Why is every zombie apocalypse-mobile a total piece of shit? Where are all the lifted Hummers, the new F150s, etc? How 'bout picking up a few military AFVs, which must be sitting around everywhere? WHERE ARE ALL THE NEW VEHICLES?

2. If going on the Pied Piper March to Hell, take a map. Study a map beforehand and know the area. And dontcha just know that the Buick of Many Colors is going to break down before that magical 20-mile mark is reached.

3. Rick is no Walter White. It will be interesting how he makes a new battery for that RV. Also a total antique piece of shit, as all the cool RVs were obviously set on fire across the nation.

4. It's a little thing - but every house and town is chock full o'new clothes. Besides blood, I'm betting the walkers can smell B.O. Clean clothes (and socks) are your friends in the apocalypse. Stay clean, stay alive, don't become a biohazard.

5. When going on the Pied Piper March to Hell in the bowels of the Virginia woodlands, take some water. Sheesh.

6. I think Glenn is standing on a ladder in an open manhole, secretly relishing the demise of Nicholas the Weak. He'll slip away and pop up a few blocks down the road. But seriously - where's the Glenn who was always chosen for those supply runs in Atlanta?!? The Artful Dodger of Zombieland?!?

7. This world is not the place to let the weak-minded pussies lead you back to base. "Nicholas needs the experience, put him in charge."
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Oct 26, 2015
Sorry, one more ...

8. Who could have possibly predicted this death march plan could go wrong? What could possibly happen? So - "that truck is blockin' em in, if it falls, they'll escape, oops there it goes... Golly gee whiz, if only there was ANOTHER truck somewhere that could block that ledge, then we could just set this quarry on fire." WORST. PLAN. EVER. If the walkers are diverted by the sound of a big horn from miles away, why not just divert them 20 miles with a bunch of tubas, nachos, and a gramophone? Why this slow drive? It's beyond insane.


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Oct 29, 2015
I wondered about the fire thing myself. A well-delivered molitov cocktail, million or so desiccated walkers and you got yourself a nice, new barbeque pit.
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Nov 30, 2015
Hmmm. Point. But they'd still be 'alive' - just burnt. Like that guy that fell off the wall at Alexandria. Though at least they would move slower...or just lie there? I'm not up on burnt walker logistics.
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Oct 26, 2015
One more thing I wonder. Do you recall episode 2 or 3. They bathed in walker-intestines in Atlanta and became invisible to another huge crowd.
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Oct 26, 2015
Just as Carol did at the beginning of Season 5 when she rescued everyone from Terminus.

Why did they forget that trick last night? They couldn't find any ponchos or coveralls?
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Oct 26, 2015
Upon further thought, of course Glenn is NOT dead! They (the writers) would not let him die unceremoniously in the third episode... don't buy it! Also, the fact that next week is a Morgan-centric episode should tell you all you need to know. GLENN LIVES!!!
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Oct 26, 2015
i think you are right for the simple reason he fell under that idiot and they did not show him die witch they did with ervyone els
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Oct 26, 2015
I just do not get why they never tried to assemble a vehicle like a steamroller. Some big tractor with a huge heavy spiked roll or milling machine attached to the front to simply squash and maim everything. The A-Team would weld it together in 15 minutes :D
I wondered that already when the outside fence of the prison was becoming overrun. Why do it hard if you can make this easy.
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Oct 26, 2015
Maybe they could use a giant wheel of cheese like in Z Nation
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Oct 27, 2015
That wheel of cheese was priceless--even better than the liberty bell! lol!
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Oct 27, 2015
I remember something about the liberty bell but can't recall what it is. Quick! to the archives!
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Oct 27, 2015
One of the first few episodes last year--cannot remember the exact one though. And this week "Winter is coming" to Z Nation. That should be fun.
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Oct 26, 2015
OMG I loved that.....
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Oct 26, 2015
yeah and how come these zombies could take over the world all you need is a 1000 man and alot of bullits wich i qeeuse anough army basses had

becouze they whant to make it interesting in reality this is relativly easy to solve
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Oct 26, 2015
Excellent observation. I bet Big Red knows how to run a bulldozer. But, those don't exist in Zombieland, only old Grand Ams, Pacers, and Packards. Maybe there's a Blackhawk in the secret motor pool, and they'll evac Rick off the roof of the RV.
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Oct 26, 2015
I too agree, its a solid idea and effective - yet not too expensive fuel wise. But in TWD logic does not apply lately :) a shame tho.
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Oct 26, 2015
Oh, awesome suspense this season, I like it!
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Oct 26, 2015

Also that guy who got bit in the back of his shoulder wtf :D all these people around him no1 saw a single zombie coming? maybe it wasn't a zombie but a ninja :D
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Oct 26, 2015
lol my exact thoughts. Zombies are slow and noisy creatures, how did one just pop out of no where and none of the people standing around seen it coming? Come on.
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Oct 26, 2015
Just the fact that Zombies can still bite anything is ridiculous let alone their ninja skills.
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Oct 26, 2015
In all fairness, this guy and all the Alexandrians are really newbs when it comes to really dealing with zombies. Remember their usual method was to just leave people behind.
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Oct 26, 2015
That I can understand. I have seen fear on the battlefield that leads newer combatants to do things that they normally wouldn't. Like leave people on the field etc. But I am speaking to the Walkers ability to bite anything. Last episode, or the premier, a walker squeezes through the two trucks and rips his rib cage open. It was a cheap visual for the show, but if that is possible for zombies then if they were to bite into anything, anything harder that pudding or jello the teeth would just pop out. Even if they were somehow in their zombie magic, able to retain their teeth. That was an odd angle and place to bite anyone, even a living human, that would be an odd place to bite someone.

I don't know, I think i am officially jaded with this show and need a break like you said in the other post.
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Oct 29, 2015
no air conditioner, pizza delivery, or computer games. What am I, a savage?
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Oct 29, 2015
@Smorbie

Come one. Trek through the apocalyptic wilderness, deal with gangs of people and predators, figure out how to survive. Doesn't that sound more fun?
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Oct 29, 2015
@Mate, not me. I would bathe in butter, cover myself in salt, pepper, and ketchup and just give it over with.
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Oct 28, 2015
@Smorbie

We are unbelievably nerdy. I just chalk it up to thought experiments. Just think how great we will be at it if this were to actually happen.
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Oct 28, 2015
@Mate, I love it when we get all hung up on trying to find the logic in a zombie attack, don't you? How nerdy, are we? lol
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Oct 28, 2015
@ Smorbie

I am speaking purely on the decay that would have to happen to the teeth. Dry mouth causes tooth decay, long enough and your teeth fall apart and in their case since they have no moisture in their mouth would inevitably lead to the teeth popping out. Not all of them necessarily, but enough to not have to worry about them biting you on your upper back/shoulder area and be able to break through a heavy shirt.
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Oct 28, 2015
You do make interesting points. But I think we would need to capture a zombie and do some testing on it to see how it's teeth fare in comparison with the rest of it. The fact that skulls still have intact teeth, even though their gums are gone, leads me to believe those suckers are in there and it's not so easy to dislodge them.
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Oct 26, 2015
After 6 seasons of this, you have to except their stealth zombies in EVERY herd.
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Oct 26, 2015
I liked the episode, but what the hell is wrong with these characters in the show. Glen relying on that lunatic? sure that won't go bad.... Why can't they just all listen to Rick. Simple follow the lead or die. Rick said they will die, so they did. This plan to wait out for zombies to pass in that silly shop? cringe worthy. Lets wait till the horde passes instead of going now, when the hord is still on the way - so many illogical dicisions. I would expect from most of these Alexandria people but not from Michonne or Glen. These 2 have the expierence and survival instincs, but i guess not in today's episode. It felt like Glens death was very forced and unnecessary. What did you guys think?
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Oct 26, 2015
Agree. Rick told Glenn and Michonne to leave them if they could not keep up. Get to a town. Find them a place to hide. Leave and tell them when the hord passes they will be back with a car from Alexandria. One day tops they would have to wait it out.
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Oct 26, 2015
Was this a landmark African American episode, namely; three get away and the whites die? Paula Dean has, apparently, 'unfollowed' TWD!
One thing that did annoy, was how mate who got shot in the leg (and the others) didn't just use his leg strap for his radio to tie off his calf? No, let's just divert to a town, hole up and bitch!
If Glenn and that dickhead had taken their boots off they could've jumped/climbed up one of the fences, gone sideways across to the other fence and got over and away. Or, they could've gone up the stair walk, which they ran past choosing the seemingly dead end, took their time and broke into the shop/house which had boarded windows and doors to try and kick in.
I did also wonder why Michone and death note man took so long climbing, as there are parallel bars nicely spaced to allow for climbing up in strides. But there you go.
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Oct 26, 2015
Awesome review! Thanks!
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Oct 26, 2015
Nicholas fell on top of Glenn....so no problems. Glenn is Always like a ninja, he can just make a smokebomb go off and next sec he is gone.
But regarding Rick, it feels like zombies are more like terrorgroups and refugees are the rest and Rick is the mastersmuggler. Decides who to live or die. Todays survivors in certain countries get to see and live worse things than zombies can do. In that manner this series is actually more todate than you may want. And in the end...all will become zombies, that is what Nicholas realised and decided he wanted to die like a human. Right or wrong, but when you loose it alla and there is no hope perhaps that little thing is enough.
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Oct 26, 2015
Another good episode, great start to a season. Killing off a main character in an episode everyone thought would be a cool down show was genius. PS Who seriously thinks Glenn is alive? Even if it was the other guys intestines getting eaten nobody is surviving a zombie herd in an alley.
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Oct 26, 2015
Honestly, a few seasons ago I would have said that the death of Glenn or Maggie would devastate me. In fact, the deaths of most OGs would devastate me. But now, I didn't care. The death of Glenn didn't affect me one bit, instead I even smiled a little.

Reason? These people are dumb. Dumb as fuck. Every single one of them deserves to die. How can it be that after such a long time of survival, these people are still so bad at surviving? I'm not saying that getting out of the specific situation Glenn was in at the end would have been easy. Maybe it was impossible. But the fact that he ended up in that situation in the first place is incomprehensible. When he died I just thought "serves you right".

There are two problems with TWD. The first one is specific to the show, the second one is a general problem with all zombie shows/films. The first one has to do with lack of direction. People walk aimlessly around which means their deaths don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. They are not dying because they are trying to reach some ultimate, worthy goal. That might mirror reality, but I don't want to watch a TV show to experience reality but for escapism. I want there to be at least some glimmer of hope in a show I watch. Some darkness is fine, even desirable, but TWD is pitch-black hopeless. When I start watching episodes of other shows I hope that something good happens to the characters I love. But when I start watching an episode of TWD, I hope that nothing bad happens to the characters. That's a telling difference. Every time I start watching an episode I have a knot in my stomach, and I feel relieved when the episode has finished without any of the good guys dying. Not a very positive feeling to get from an episode of TV.

But enough about that. I didn't even want to take up the first problem, just the second one which was again so evident in this episode: that the characters are so stupid. People are quick, agile, smart, know strategy and can handle weapons. Zombies just have some base instincts left. Zombies are no match for human killing machines. I would rather have a horde of zombies after me than, say, a pack of wolves. So why don't the characters prevail? Why do they keep repeating the same stupid mistakes over and over again? Why do they constantly make the wrong decisions? Why do they walk into places that they haven't scouted before? Why haven't they practised defensive formations together? Why don't they just run away from slow zombies? How is it possible that some people have a quiet moment in a forest, standing around an injured friend, and a zombie manages to attack one of them from behind? Without a hint of hubris or smugness I can say that all of us could easily survive a zombie apocalypse hundreds of times better than the people on TWD.

Now I know what you're going to say, that I forget that the show is supposed to highlight the human condition. A zombiepocalypse, while a ridiculous plot line, is a way to push characters to show their best and worst. You say I shouldn't make such a big deal about how people survive as long as the process creates conflicts and resolutions between them. But the problem is that the underlying cause for all their behaviour - in this case avoiding zombies - should be at least somewhat believable. As it is right now, the characters are responding to the threat with such mind-blowing stupidity that I can't enjoy the rest of the story. These people should have easily repelled the threat of zombies already since day one, and especially now after fighting against them for months. And yet they don't.

I know that a zombie apcalypse is not possible in the first place. Basically, zombies are a poor enemy for humans. We would squash a zombie uprising in a matter of minutes. We are superior killing machines. As a result a realistic TV show or a film about humans vs. zombies would last only minutes, and that wouldn't be interesting, would it? So because of that the characters of a zombie show have to be made stupid, like the zombies, just to level the playing field, make it a fair fight. But on TWD the characters have unfortunately been made too stupid. A little bit of stupidity I can tolerate if that is needed to spin the story, but as it is now, they are annoyingly stupid. It's not fun to watch any more. Many times when I watch episodes of TWD, I feel like taking the easy way out like Nicholas. Luckily I don't own a gun. A question I now ask myself, one which I should answer before next Sunday, is what reason do I have to watch this show any more? The characters aren't moving towards any goals, yet the ones that have kept me watching so far are dying left and right. I already know life is a miserable struggle which we all lose at the end. I don't need a TV show to tell me that every week.
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Oct 26, 2015
I wonder why do you watch not only The Walking Dead, but zombie shows/ movies in general.
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Oct 26, 2015
When it comes to zombie films, I don't watch them in general. I've seen a few in my life, but most of my experience about them comes from reading about them or others describing them. I don't watch them on a regular basis. When it comes to TWD, you have a point. Why have I watched it until now? Mainly because it's popular. I want to understand popular culture and be able to talk about it. Stupid reason, I know.
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Oct 26, 2015
If your friends jumped off a truck into a zombie herd, would you jump, too? If you don't like it, stop watching. It's not a law that you have to watch. I've skipped a lot of popular shows because they didn't interest me.
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Oct 26, 2015
Do not underestimated the numbers. They are slow, they are dumb but they have the numbers and do not get tired...
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Oct 26, 2015
Sure, once you're surrounded, there's no way out. But the point is that you shouldn't end up surrounded in the first place. Forward-thinking people who know they live in a world with zombies take that into consideration when living life. There's a huge number of ways to avoid becoming zombie food. One doesn't just get dropped in the middle of a 4-way intersection with zombies coming towards you from all four directions. You end up in that situation because of your own mistakes.
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Oct 26, 2015
To me it looked like Nicholas sacrificed himself, so that the walkers would get busy and Glenn could get out of there. Didn't really occur to me he is dead, until I saw the sadness in Talking Dead - seemed obvious Nicholas landed on top of Glenn...he had more of an "I'm sad and crying because Nicholas shot himself and is now being eaten on top of me"-expression, rather than the "HELP ME THEY ARE EATING ME ALIVE OMG ALL THE PAIN"-expression.
Glenn and Nicholas could have easily cleared the blocked fire escape and got above ground-level. Glenn, living in the zombie-apocalypse for a long time, acted quite inexperienced in that scene.
Ah well - we'll see. I'm not convinced he is gone - because everytime a mayor character died, they at least featured an "on-set" interview with the cast-member(e.g. Nicholas) about his character dying and reading it in the script and all on Talking Dead- and Glenn is on TWD since the very beginning, they would have invited him into the show.
Of course they are now dragging it out with a Morgan-centered episode telling us his journey.
Don't be naive - Glenn is alive.
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Oct 26, 2015
Showrunner Scott Gimple already confirmed that we probably will see Glenn in the future in flashback scenes, but it seems that he is a goner for sure.
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Oct 26, 2015
The lack of confirmation that he is dead proves he isn't - no In Memoriam on Talking Dead either
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Oct 26, 2015
I'll be upset if they don't have walker Glenn in with the herd when it reaches Alexandria. How else will Maggie even know he's died?
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Oct 26, 2015
My heart is already broken; I don't think I could stand that.
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Oct 26, 2015
I love Glenn and I mourn his death but it would be a cop out and cheap trick by the show if he is alive.
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