The Walking Dead "Them" Review: The Sourpuss Gang Finds a Barn

The Walking Dead S05E10: "Them"

The Walking Dead is a show that thrives on the big moments. We all remember Shane dying, Sophia coming out of the barn, Lizzie looking at the flowers, and the sting of Tyreese's death—whether it felt pointless or not. And with two big episodes in a row—Beth and Tyreese eating it in back-to-back episodes—a small episode was expected. But "Them" may have been the smallest episode of The Walking Dead yet. 

We can call it "the grieving episode," S05EGRIEVE, the mid-grieving premiere. The group's clothes still smelled of their friends' death, and "Them" was the hour they let it all out. There was some walking and some talking, well, lots of walking and talking, as the survivors wondered if the pains of surviving and seeing friends fail at surviving was worth it. It's an inevitable and essential part of surviving the zombie apocalypse. It just doesn't make for interesting television. 

Theme and symbolism were all over this one, and the attempts at philosophizing the ennui of living in a world full of zombies was appreciated. But that's what the show has tried to do ever since Rick woke up from a coma way back in the pilot, and it's always been one of the show's weak spots. The Walking Dead wants its characters to be defined by words, but the words aren't good and every meaningful character moment has come from actions and decisions. This group talks their feelings out so often that if I were there and one approached me to preach about what's needed for survival, I would walk straight into the jaws of the nearest walker.

And the group was particularly chatty and depressed in "Them." Supplies were low, wetting their blanket even more, and the deaths of Beth and Tyreese were still fresh, dragging Maggie and Sasha further down. Daryl ate worms, put a cigarette out on his hand (to see if he still felt), and cried. Everyone ate some dog. It was a reminder that life out here sucks but there's no letting up unless you want to die, symbolized by the long shots of the road behind the group and the horde of zombies that were inescapable. The zombies were death, basically, in case the metaphor escaped you.

The group's struggles were most obviously visualized after they found refuge in a barn from a storm (itself symbolizing that good things are fleeting as it provided them with the water they badly needed... and then kept giving them water when they didn't). Daryl was heading out for a cigarette burn mark break, and a zombie horde was fast approaching the front door. Everyone in the group (except for lazy Judith) held the door shut while an army of zombies tried to push it open, and it was an endless tug-of-war between the living and the dead, with the will to survive the only thing staving off death. It was a pretty cool shot and probably would have had more impact if it didn't feel so on the nose and if the whole episode hadn't been the group talking about it the entire time. 

And that's mostly what made "Them" a dud. It wasn't just repetitive because everyone walked and talked, it was repetitive because it did the same thing the show has always done and didn't offer anything new. That's a problem The Walking Dead will always have to contend with because it doesn't have a regular story that can grow and change as the series gets older. The Walking Dead is and always has been about survival; the costs of surviving, the anguish of surviving, the pointlessness of surviving. "Them" was plainly about survival, in case we forgot. But the problem is we didn't. 



FESTERING BITEMARKS

– The one moment that departed from the drabness came at the very end of the episode, when Aaron showed up looking like he'd just stepped out of an L.L. Bean catalog. His appearance was almost supernatural or divine. He arrived after whatever meteorological event crushed all those zombies that were pushing on the barn door, and the music box started up only after he appeared. Is he God? He must be God.

– Do we trust Aaron? We shouldn't trust Aaron, right? Haven't we learned anything from watching this show?

– Speaking of that music box, hey Carl, first of all, stop hitting on Glenn's woman. I know you're going through puberty and Beth is gone, but please, keep your game to yourself. And also, on a long walk where inventory space, supplies, and weight are of utmost importance, maybe a broken piece of trash isn't the best thing to give to someone.

– Sasha, you idiot. There was a plan in place to try to save people's lives, but you blew it and tried to kill all the zombies yourself. I don't like Sasha.

– Daryl cried. That was sad.

– Rick's "we are the walking dead" line: insightful or corny? I mean, we've been talking about how the name of the show refers to the survivors for some time now.


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Feb 22, 2015
How anyone can ask whether 'The Walking Dead' line was corny when they have the following in their review: -

"We can call it "the grieving episode," S05EGRIEVE, the mid-grieving premiere."

Seriously Tim??
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Feb 22, 2015
Aaron asking for Rick by name and saying he has good news--I kind of wonder if these things point to Morgan Jones showing up again.

But maybe Aaron is just a Jehovah Witness spreading the "Good News" to the people he finds living on his street.
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Feb 22, 2015
After my long on again / off again viewing of this show, I'm done now. It's the pointlessness that got to me.

It's the same pattern over and over again. Things look good for the group for a bit, then some of them die, despair ensues, followed by some aimless wandering in the woods, then the cycle repeats.

The show has apparently settled on the formula of occasionally having random deaths of a character or two to create fake drama, interspersed with scenes each week of new creative ways to kill zombies to spice things up.

If you think I'm the only one getting turned off by the show, just look at the polls for each episode. The 'meh' and 'hated it' vote numbers are consistently outnumbering the 'loved it' votes by almost two to one.

I know this comment will piss some people off, but I making it because I'm lamenting how a show with a truly original concept has gone of the rails, devolving into a predictable formula that is leading it to oblivion.

The show cannot rely on just more deaths and creative zombie kills to keep it going. There has to be a plan, a purpose to each season, and it's quite clear that waiting for a more grand theme than 'surviving is hard' to develop is futile.
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Feb 21, 2015
I don't see it as a metaphor, but actual things they have to endure in their world as it is:

- Exposure can kill, slower than any zombie might, but as effectively as any bite.
- Thunderstorm will strike, the elements won't cease to be just because they don't have a house.
- A body has limits, just because Abraham called them "survivers" doesn't mean sheer proud will sustain their march.
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Feb 21, 2015
Yeah... the last two episodes, I have to say, I've barely felt like I watched them. I feel like I should re-watch them before the next episode, but I have about as much motivation as these guys did walking down the street in the episode. It wasn't bad, although I have to say the metaphor was WAY too heavy-handed, and it was made worse by the fact that they later had to spell it out (ex. Rick saying, "We are the walking dead", and the whole pushing back against death in the 'storm', and the "The storm should have wiped us out / But it didn't!", etc. Ouch! Usually this show doesn't spell things out so brutally and lets you make the connections with just the visuals, or adds little hints like with last week's episode.

Should we trust Aaron? No, sir! I'm guessing it's just another version of Terminus, but a little better dressed and likely better off.
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Feb 22, 2015
I think the writers, directors ALWAYS spell everything out as if their audience is made up of 4th graders. These are not great writers. Sorry. All the characters seem to go into strange periods where they wont talk to anyone??? Now its Sasha....and Maggie? So now she has nothing to motivate her ? and love of her life Glenn is standing right there?? At least Glenn is probably the only consistant character, and Carol, both always basically normal and calm and able to speak complete sentences.
Cmon writers, Maggie never cared a hoot about Beth about 5 minutes ago, only finding Glenn, so Just makes no sense to make the characters so emotionally labial for no reason except to make your point about ...what? ... Post apocalypse is hard?For the 10th time. Why would it be bad for the group to love each other and be loyal to each other and bond as a group .that seems like the more realistic response to all that they have been through, and would make a lot of us enjoy these "down time" episodes a lot more. I sure would. Instead, its literally like they are all strangers, make zero sense. They are squandering a bunch of great characters.
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Feb 21, 2015

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Feb 22, 2015
I figured it was probably taken directly from the comics, but I don't think it was done well in this instance. I think it should have been put out there a while ago as it was obvious from the beginning to the viewers. I actually think that with all the hitting over the head with shovels in this episode in terms of stating the obvious, they might have benefitted from dropping a line about Jenner saying it'll get worse and they'll regret the decision not to die in the CDC, but I know that is also not in the comics so I think they've been resisting any allusion to that episode.
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Feb 21, 2015
Yes, it was slow. No, I'm not going to quit watching the show because of a little doom and gloom. People need to learn there's more to this show than "Non stop action! Twists at every turn! It will keep you on the edge of your seat!" Just appreciate it and move on.
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Feb 20, 2015
i actually loved this slow burn - very little dialog ep. Sure it would suck if every ep was like this - but with the recent deaths and no place to call home anymore - I felt like this ep was necessary - and they pulled it off great. I know I'm in the minority here but i'm giving it 9/10 for being a great slow burn low action ep. Nice ending too.
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Feb 20, 2015
Judith taking selfie

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Feb 19, 2015
This season has been TOO BORING! Nothing happens. Talk, talk, talk, moan, whine, cry. I wish the cannibal group had lasted longer because that was the best part of the whole season, but they killed them off so early on. Now they do nothing. Hopefully Aaron showing up at the end means there will be something new happening that'll make the next episodes better.
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Feb 19, 2015
I really liked this episode a lot. The whole group was shown together, it felt like this was the first time after all the changes we saw the new group as a good bunch of people having each others backs. I preferred this episode far more than last one. It,s not because someone dies that the episode is strong.
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Feb 20, 2015
I did too ManuDC! I thought this was a very strong and emotionally powerful ep - that was much needed after the losses the group has experienced recently.
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Feb 19, 2015
Now that you mention it, this really was the first episode where everyone on the cast was sharing screen time with everyone (kind of like an ongoing request, if I'm not mistaken).

Granted, it felt like they were all grieving either Beth or Tyreese - in some cases, both - rather than a hearthfelt reunion. But for the first time since they blew up Terminus: they were all together.

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Feb 19, 2015
I think fans were starting to get pretty demanding about food, water, and sleep rarely being a cause for concern.
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Feb 18, 2015
Ugh I hate this show. I really do, I don't even know how I reached season 5. And I can't stop. Damn you, TWD.
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Feb 22, 2015
I felt that way until recently, and then I finally stopped. Haven't looked back since when there's so many other good shows on.
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Feb 24, 2015
I think this might be my last season. I hope it is.
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Feb 18, 2015
I liked it. All I want to say.
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Feb 20, 2015
same
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Feb 18, 2015
I liked that they showed the struggle to survive in its most basic form: searching for water and how lacking it sucks the life out of you pretty fast.

Or having to eat a wriggling worm to get some protein !

And I also liked the dogs pooring out of the woods growling. Poor things must've been surviving quite a long time themselves...

I'd like to see more of such issues.

On the other hand, I would also like something NEW to happen, to give some purpose to the show.
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Feb 18, 2015
Aaron is new, I'm just saying...

Not to mention, they are still on their way to Washington: is not like they don't have a purpose, they just don't have a cure.
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Feb 18, 2015
Well, in case TWD gets axed, the writers just created a back door to kill off all the characters...

Just like in Lost, everyone could already be dead. Killed by the zombies that broke the barn door.

Everyone woke up in the morning all snug and cozy with no sign of the night's struggle, except for the Hurricane Zombies.
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Feb 20, 2015
in what reality would this show ever get cancelled? this show will still be on the air 5 years from now - i guarantee it.
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Feb 18, 2015
When Rick said " we are the walking dead ". I took this as, at that moment in time, the group reached their lowest point ever. In such a bad emotion state ( more than usual ) they are almost catatonic and void of any normal emotional feels. Almost to the point that the group are dead inside like the Zombies.

I enjoyed this episode because the group has basically given up. Who can blame them. This was a very important episode to the show. No matter how much you fight to survive there come a time when maybe dying would be the best alternative. TWD is more character driven and less Zombie kill in my opinion. One of the best episodes I have seen.

Aaron ? Am I the only one that is in opinion that this actor can't act ?

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Feb 20, 2015
I really enjoyed this ep too.
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Feb 19, 2015
I didn't see enough of Aaron to determine if he can act or not. Maybe next week we'll find out. But if you look at our normal TWD cast, most of them are not great actors anyway. Andrew Lincoln, David Morrisey, and Scott Wilson stand out, but most of the others are just average.
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Feb 19, 2015
Sorry guy's I mean't to say Noah not Aaron. My boo boo...
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Feb 20, 2015
LOL! No need to apologize. I'm not sure about Noah either. He hasn't done much so far but run with a gimpy leg.
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Feb 18, 2015
All I can think of him is that he's clean. How come he could stay so clean unless he has a settlement.
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Feb 22, 2015
I guess that's where he got his nice duds. Too bad. That means somehow a lawyer survived. Well, there truly goes the world.
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Feb 22, 2015
Andrea was a lawyer on the show, she can't be the only one.
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Feb 17, 2015
Call me crazy, but I like Aaron. I know I should know better after Dawn, Gabriel and Garreth...or Bob II, Martin and Dr. Edwards. but I can't help it: the music box sold him to me.

Stranger danger be damned.
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Feb 17, 2015
My main take on this episode (and from the comments on the video I'm not the only one who thought it)



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Feb 21, 2015
lol nice
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Feb 17, 2015
The weekly reports on TWD seem to be getting more and more negative as the weeks go by! it's a show about survivors in a zombie apocalypse for goodness sake, yet I feel that the reviewer expects the characters to ignore the realty of losing friends, being hungry, thirsty and tired, and, heaven forfend! actually showing those feelings.

Loved the ending with the music box. Also, the hog tied zomble in the boot was pretty sweet.

Also, if you get cut with a knife covered in zombie blood wouldn't that infect you?
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Feb 17, 2015
I loved the clear cut between the ones that want to survive (Rick, Carol, Glenn, Michonne, Carl and Judith), the ones that are "meh" about it (Rosita, Eugene, Tara and Gabriel) and the ones that are giving up (Sasha, Abraham and Maggie at the barn. And Daryl making the transition from one group to the other.

At least until that herd attacked the barn and everyone made the transition to Carol, Rick, Michonne and Co and fought to live.
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Feb 20, 2015
Nice analysis - I think this ep is way way stronger and better than people are giving it credit for being. I gave it a 9/10 in my review.
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Feb 17, 2015
I hope Sasha dies next. She was being a total bitch this episode and hasn't ever been all that useful. She causes more problems than not.

Rick's line about the walking dead was corny as all hell.
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Feb 17, 2015
I liked Sasha and Maggie teamed up here. Tthey were solid back when Bob was alive, they should be now that they are the only sisters left.
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Feb 17, 2015
Does anyone know how long zombies can survive? Seeing some must be years old. Are they defining the energy rule? Where do they get the energy to walk around if not eating or getting energy in some form? This is where the series should start going again...what are the zombies, why and how. Now please stop walking around for years and still not finding a place to be. Dammit, there are underground facilities that would work great to wait it all out. And if you are out and walking do it to learn something.
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Feb 21, 2015
In addition to what smorbie said, there are new zombies almost everyday. They are not all from the initial outbreak. Survivors are dying constantly and turning into zombies/walkers.
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Feb 17, 2015
During season three, Milton told the Governor zombies that don't eat eventually starve, it just takes them much longer.
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Feb 17, 2015
My favorite episode of this season to date.
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Feb 20, 2015
i really enjoyed it too - glad to see others can appreciate a great slow burn ep with little dialog, great cinematography, and a deep look into just how far into despair many of the group have fallen.
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Feb 17, 2015
no one else thinks it's weird how for seasons they could barely go anywhere and now they're within just a few miles of Washington?
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Feb 18, 2015
What I found weird is that Daryl is pulling himself away from Carol: the more he allows himself to feel, the less he spends time with her.
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Feb 18, 2015
It is understandable. He cared for Beth and she died. This hurts like hell. I think he cares even more for Carol. If she dies he will be devastated. So better pull yourself away from that person.
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Feb 18, 2015
Good point. I guess I compare him to Rick after Hershel & Beth died, when I should compare him to Rick after Lori & Sophia died.
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Feb 17, 2015
This show hasn't been any good since season 2, with the exception of a few epsiodes of the first half of this season, and yet, I still watch. "Them," was probably the worst episode of the entire series.
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Feb 20, 2015
And others have called it the best ep of the season. It's a love it or hate it ep I guess - and I loved it. Since you hate the show - I guess that's all I have to say to you.
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Feb 18, 2015
I found the thunderstorm really thrilling, even more so than the pack of wild dogs or the massive herd of zombie that hit near the end.
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Feb 17, 2015
This episode wasn't bad. I just hope that the threat of the next group is something new. Cuz this show's flaw is it's getting repetitive....
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Feb 17, 2015
Can i just say, when Game of Thrones has an episode like this "all talk, no action" (which is pretty much the majority of a 10 episode season) Tim (and every GoT fan) says those said episodes were excellent, but when TWD does it, you all jump on the episode saying it was the worst episode in the history of TWD (this happens ever week with TWD)

The writing on TWD may not be amazing, but these self-contained, character driven, survival episodes can be great, and 'Them' was an example on how good these kind of episodes can be....
Every scene with Daryl was great this week, even though the close ups of him smoking made me wanna wretch, but i digress, his scenes with Carol and Maggie were great, as well as his crying scene, Norman Reedus is not a good actor, but 5 seasons with this character made me feel every emotion
I'm loving bad ass, emotionless Sasha, it won't last long but it was a good scene when she went ape shit on those zombies....
I loved the Maggie/Sasha scene, the sense of loss really hit hard for me because i loved Beth and liked Tyreese, plus Maggie also lost her dad so her life sucks right now, and that scene was capped off with a very 'LOST'- esque ending
And Rick's speech gave me goosebumps, i have not read (not do i intend to read) the comics, but according to many fans, the 'We Are The Walking Dead' line was iconic, but people are calling the on screen version, corny, but i disagree, his speech resonated so much that that final line was warranted.....

I'm very excited in seeing where the show is going, whether Aaron poses a threat to the group, and when the inevitable Morgan return is coming.....

TWD is a show that divides it's audience, it wasn't that long ago that i hated this show, and stuck with it to see if it could get better, then for some reason, i started falling in love with it, and now i love every season, but 'Them' was definitely not a bad episode.... There are ALOT worse episodes in TWD's history.

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Feb 19, 2015
I know that to a certain point this is subjective, but...the difference between talky GoT and talky TWD is, well, quality of talkyness. And actingness. And writingness.
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Feb 19, 2015
Like i said, I know TWD is hardly the best written show, it's not even half as good as some shows on tv, but the talky episode can be great as well as the all out action packed episodes

as for GoT talky episodes, the acting in the show is amazing, that is a given, and the writing is decent, but there is not one character i GoT that i care much about, there are too many characters to keep up with, and the show has barely evolved since season 1.... i have not read the books, so i don't know what the show is leading towards or what is going to happen, but they have been going on about winter is coming since the pilot, it is going into it's fifth season so why isn't winter here? what am i missing?

GoT is definitely the most overrated show on tv, IMO and the reason i think that is because i have not fell in love with any character (Tyrion is probably the only one i can admit to genuinely liking) unless you are 100% engrossed in it, it is so hard to follow because of the amount of characters they bring in, a season, and considering having only 10 episodes a season, the majority of those episodes are layered with character development i couldn't give a shit about, but it is the talking point of every spring since it's inception..... I just hope the news of the influx of popular characters dying that have not died in the books, makes it more refreshing, and makes me care.....
I understand why people love it, but there are so many shows on tv that deserve THAT kind of attention but do not get it, Hannibal is a prime example, this show struggles in the ratings yet delivers every single week, the season 2 finale was, without a shadow of a doubt, the best episode of 2014 (and that included the Purple Wedding, Tyrion's trial, Oberyn/The Mountain fight and the great wall battle) same with Banshee, but i understand why this show is not in the forefront because of it's comic-book natured action scenes and it's gratuitous sex scenes, but there have been 3 outstanding episodes this season and it only half way through.... such an underrated show....

Now as for TWD, it has it's many flaws, and the dialogue is one of them, but these past two eps were great imo, so much better than the trash GoT throws at us for the majority of the year....
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Feb 17, 2015
The line is an iconic one from the comics, deal with it !

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Feb 17, 2015
Could not disagree with Tim's evaluation of the episode at all.
Film and television are indeed about "showing, not telling".
But showing does not mean only surface action. Showing also means showing quiet moments of internal torment.
Most episodes of an action series naturally need to be action packed.
But an occasional quiet episode like this is entirely appropriate and even necessary.
Just as as symphony cannot consist only of crescendos, so an action film or television series cannot be non-stop action from beginning to end.
Even Michael Bay knows that.
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Feb 17, 2015
Can anyone name an episode more boring than this one?
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Feb 17, 2015
S2,E6 "Secrets"
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Feb 17, 2015
Pushing walkers in the ditch looks like fun and "Good morning. My name is Aaron. I know. Stranger danger."
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Feb 18, 2015
Its funny because its true, even if Aaron never met Joe, the Governor, Garreth, Dawn, Lizzie, Clara, Bob II...
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Feb 17, 2015
It was boring though the end was freaking awesome
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Feb 17, 2015
"We are the walking dead" has to be among the corniest lines I've heard in my life.
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Feb 18, 2015
Not when Rick is saying it to Carol-Michonne is not. If there are 2 characters that know what is like to be tve walking dead is those 2 women.
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Feb 17, 2015
It's pretty much one of the iconic lines of the source material and also the actual meaning of the title.
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Feb 17, 2015
No, it's just name-dropping the title for shits and giggles. It was just as corny and dumb in the comics.

Well, maybe not quite. Lincoln's delivery of the line made it even worse. The way he put so much inflexion on the "we" instead of the "walking dead", even though the latter had never been used by anyone until then implied he was talking to the audience more than the group. "Hey look at how clever and deep the writers are for thinking this up!"

And really, did we need to be flat out told the meaning of the title like we were five years old? It was pretty obvious from the outset it wasn't referring to the zombies.
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Feb 17, 2015
I actually got chills from the speech, with that line to cap it off.

Not corny at all.
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Feb 17, 2015
I agree. It was not corny because it was earned. Five seasons of TWD before the title was finally invoked.
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Feb 17, 2015
Lol. Tara didn't have one line in this episode.
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Feb 18, 2015
That face she made while Tara was eating the dogs though...was as loud as GREATM.
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Feb 17, 2015
I thought the zombie attack of the barn has been a dream
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Feb 17, 2015
I was so sure it was a dream and watched it over after reading that it actually happened and still thought it was a dream! It seemed that it happened in the dream and soon after she (maggie) woke up. Outside damage looked like it was from a bad storm, not people that were on the other side of a barn door (that wasn't damaged in the morning.. )
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Feb 17, 2015
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Feb 17, 2015
Might have explained why, in the middle of a loud thunderstorm, walkers were attracted to a quiet barn with no lights on...
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Feb 18, 2015
Its a herd: they aren't attracted to anything, the barn just so happened to be on their path.
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Feb 19, 2015
Yer, but herds are still attracted to noise, no reason to expect they wouldn't disperse with lightning cracking everywhere.
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Feb 19, 2015
It was noisy everywhere. No reason to change their path towards a particular noise since everything was just as loud.
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Feb 17, 2015
I thought it was Maggie's dream too until she and Sasha went outside and saw the mayhem from the tornado.
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Feb 17, 2015
I thought the tornado was real but Maggie incorporated the noises to her dream as the zombies trying to enter.
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Feb 17, 2015
So what about outside the barn?
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Feb 17, 2015
Agreed. I thought it was Maggie's dream, and it helped her realize that she wants to continue to fight to survive alongside what's left of her friends. She then gave the other two sad characters pep talks to keep everyone together.
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Feb 17, 2015
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Feb 20, 2015
as did i
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Feb 17, 2015
To much Crown Reserve tonight. Insert an I between when and read in my message below. The Crown was much more enjoyable than the so called artsy episode these morons came up with. This show was great but is starting to lose it as the years go buy. The reviews from past years are starting to get to the as#holes and now all of sudden they thing they are W. B. Yeats.

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Feb 17, 2015
The highlight for me was how the world has changed and the show hasn't focused on it. We humans are not the only ones out there. Old fido and his pals would revert back to their more terrifying pack mentality. If anyone ever seen a series "After Humans", you might recall what experts say would happen to dogs if their were no humans about. The tough ones (most wolf like) would join groups and revert back to the old ways.
I wish TWD would do more of this. Obviously they can't really but it was really nice to see a pack of dogs out there.

Let Eugene drink the water. Little punk should be the groups food taster from now on.

I thought what Carl did was nice. Shows he has a little empathy. Carl was also close to Beth and Herschel, so he might have a better understanding of how Beth might feel than anyone else.

I would love to see a behind the scenes or "pop up" series to go with TWD. Little things like how the actor that plays Carl can't hold a gun in real life and what the laws are about babies like Judith are with tv shows. Or what is cgi and what isn't in certain scenes.

Ok...and I don't know about anyone else but that barn was not that strong to have a small tornado (or whatever) tear past it and not bring it down. Also, I will assume they are somewhere inbetween Richmond and DC now. You are in the Appalachian Mountain region now...show some hills. The only other common sense place for them to be is further north and in even more mountains.
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Feb 17, 2015
The Blue Ridge mountains are a tad northwest of Richmond so they would be near there. It definitely would be hilly in some parts, but since they are filming in GA, they have to go with GA landscape. Maybe they could have filmed near the mountains of northern GA. They could have stopped at King's Dominion amusement park. That would make a good episode!
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Feb 18, 2015
I thought it was telling that Abraham dropped his water: shows he's protecting Eugene now because he cares about him, not because he only cares about a cure.
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Feb 21, 2015
True but it's kind of sad that no one is knocking the alcohol out of Abraham's hand. That stuff was just as bad in his condition as that water could have been to Eugene. Somehow, Abraham is an adult and can make stupid choices but not Eugene.
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Feb 21, 2015
Then again, no one is protecting Abraham. Much like Rick before Carol, no one thinks Abraham needs protection or cares enough about him to feel he's worthy of it.

Rick used to be the same way, it wasn't until Carol reunites with them and he sees what she did - Judith, his old watch, Terminus itself, etc. - that he realizes someone's been protecting him, that he deserves it too, which is why he owes her so much.
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Feb 17, 2015
I would be content with some CGI hills in the background of shots sometime. I find it amusing that unless they worked to bypass them all...they have ignored every major city on their way to DC. It's doable of course but still.
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Feb 18, 2015
why wouldn't they avoid the major cities that are , you know, massively infested with zombies?
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Feb 21, 2015
They don't even hint toward them. Also, if DC is to be this hallowed safe zone, it would stand to reason that the closer you get, the more likely the surrounding cities might reflect whether their is a safe zone. But if every major and even little less than major city is a zombie fest, DC won't be much better.
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Feb 17, 2015
beowulf579, AMC website has behind the scenes videos, etc.
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Feb 17, 2015
Yeah but sometimes having a special on tv is nice.
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Feb 17, 2015
True. I believe they do show some bits during their marathons on TV though.
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Feb 17, 2015
What irked me is I am sick and tired of these writers trying to bring Hemingway into the mix. You guys are not Hemingway and never will be. What I want is some d***ed escapism. You suck at allegory and all the other sh@t I look for when read long dead authors. Get over yourselves and get back to good ole' escapism you freakin' morons. Any more of this sh@t and I am done. This episode sucked.
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Feb 17, 2015
I think one of the things that irked me the most about this episode was how Maggie (unless I'm remembering it wrong) was yelling at Father Whatevermynameis about how he hid when the walkers showed up. Totally different from what Maggie and her family did where they not only hid out on there farm, they wanted to turn away survivors...and they were hoarding the walkers in their barn. Yeah, I get that you're angry Maggie about your sister, but come on. If that's his great sin, are we really supposed to feel like he did something bad? That's probably the most realistic reaction during a zombie outbreak, and its behavior that we've seen plenty of other characters do. I mean, heck, -everyone- wanted to hide.
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Feb 17, 2015
He didn't just hide in the church; he kept his living parishioners from coming it. This accomplished the twin goals of letting his flock die and saving all the food for himself
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Feb 17, 2015
I'm sick of Maggie at this point. She didn't mention Beth last year and now all at once she's ready to jump off the bridge because Beth is dead.
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Feb 17, 2015
She did mention Beth. She thought Beth didn't get out
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Feb 20, 2015
Maybe so but she did not seem too upset about it. Bad Maggie! ;)
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Feb 17, 2015
Telling a bunch of strangers they can't move onto my land is a lot different from a priest that lets his flock get slaughtered outside of the church. At least it is in my mind.
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Feb 17, 2015
Seriously Tim?
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Feb 17, 2015
Wow what an amazing show this is!
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Feb 16, 2015
I'm gonna call this episode "deus ex machina", all hope is lost and then out of no where food and water and shelter and protection from zombies by mother nature. Yay. Or who cares. The characters are miserable and so am I, it's the bad old days of TWD all over again. If the writers can't be bothered to write compelling drama, I can't be bothered to be invested in the show. I won't go on a rant, but if one week they kill one of the most physically strong characters via zombie. The next week they shouldn't show over and over how easy it is to best even the largest zombie horde.
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Feb 17, 2015
Food, water, protection, a nice sunrise...and a man who will bring hope (and who has a Biblical name, Aaron) . All speaks of miracles, even the music boz, so of course, don't trust him!!
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Feb 16, 2015
Booooorrrriiinnnngggg. I went and made a cup of tea, fiddled with the fridge, hung out some washing and fed the dog, and they were still walking and feeling sorry for themselves. *sigh* I have a love/hate relationship with this tv series. A couple of points though:
- why doesn't red head soldier boy get infected by the cut on his arm? that blade was just 3 inches into the skull of a walker and, unwashed/unsanitized, cut red head. Maybe the whiskey might fix him.
- why didn't Michonne slice off Sasha's head? Don't bring a knife to a katana fight! lol.
- was just thinking when Rick did his whole 'we are the walking dead' monologue...IRL, someone would've started an annoying argument like 'hang on Rick...that doesn't make sense, I mean if you blah blah blah' - but no, instead it was 'we ain't walkers' or something. lol just lol
- they'd been in the barn for what looked like hours...and the barn doors were closed. Suddenly a horde of walkers just happened to be making for the barn??? I can understand if this was the Guv'nors doing (or maybe that dodgy guy at the end)...but just like that? naw, thats just b/s. Oh hang on, given the walkers were once human...maybe they thought nnngghn nnggghhn ggrrwwoooll....(think 'Warm Bodies')..translation: "hey, there's a storm a brewin'...I saw a barn over there, maybe we should go hide in there unless we get wet". I dunno...maybe its just me.
- I disagree with the whole 'Coral, leave Maggie alone' comment. Fk that, this is the apocalypse baby!!! every man for himself!! if you can't keep your woman satisfied, I sure can! lol...I'm betting for Coral in this one - all that pent up frustration and youth....whose Maggie gonna choose?

Saw the preview of the next episode - looks like the action is coming back. yee har!!
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Feb 16, 2015
I am always surprised how people can watch the same show and have wildly different reactions. To me, this episode was absolutely sublime. I could feel the tiredness and pain which plagued this group. They were spent and some of them had given up. We needed an episode to show the group reacting to the events of their last few weeks. In only about a month's time, they lost their home, their illusion of safety, their food, their families and loved ones, and a dream which had kept them alive. This is their end; this is all there is, and it is a bleak, pain filled reality. A month ago Maggie had a family and Sasha had a brother. A month ago, almost close enough to reach back and touch it, things had been as close to good as they could be.

We are watching a death march
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Feb 21, 2015
great ep - great explanation as to why ^^^
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Feb 17, 2015
I enjoyed it! And it was the lull before the next storm...

For those who have not seen it, may I suggest you watch The Road, based on a novel by Cormac McCarthy? And if you feel adventurous you can even read the book! :-P
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Feb 25, 2015
Good recommendation. "The Road" is not a long read and I also highly recommend that book. Think it won some awards and praise from other writers.. Later saw the movie which was good but as expected not as good as the novel.
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Feb 17, 2015
I agree 100% smorbie. Sublime is the perfect description. So much depth and symbolism in this excellent episode. Rick's speech and emotional "We are the Walking Dead" gave me chills.
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Feb 17, 2015
It isn't that it was done badly, it's just that it was done repetitively. We've seen them doing this death march before. Hell, we've even seen that exact same "zombie rage" moment that Sasha had (I think we've actually had it twice now) Rick's given that same "we are the walking dead" speech. I actually thought he had name dropped the show before in a previous speech too, but maybe I'm thinking of the comics or just a time they came really close and implied it or something. We had the giving up on God thing too. Like, I gave last weeks episode a lot of crap, but I did praise it for at least trying something new, even if I didn't think it worked. This episode fell back on things we've seen previously without even trying something new. Different characters, same moments.
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Feb 17, 2015
Exactly. The way it was done wasn't the issue but the fact that we've seen the exact same thing a dozen times now. Repetition is this show's weakest point and it made this episode quite boring to me. I expect more from a good show than repetition, TWD is at its best when it's unpredictable and daring.
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Feb 16, 2015
With such heavy rain wouldn't you attempt to clean yourself? An average episode, but the weeks ahead look good. I think at the end of this season there'll be mass cull of group, 3-4 deaths in one hit.
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Feb 17, 2015
Not worth the risk of catching a cold I'd wager. Seemed too stormy.
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Feb 17, 2015
Yes, I forgot Zombie apocalypse rule 87, sub section C, Storms must appear quickly, be violent and destructive*. * Must disperse quicker than began also... All that said, who's carrying the soap?
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Feb 16, 2015
Can't animals become walkers?
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Feb 17, 2015
On Z nation animals does turn into Zombies even babies.
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Feb 16, 2015
My guess is it was a virus that affected only humans.
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Feb 17, 2015
Yeah, it is wicked rare for viruses to jump the species barrier.
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Feb 17, 2015
Erm is that meant to be a cynical comment? (HIV-AIDs, Swine flu, Rabies, Ebola, etc. )
How viruses jump from hosts: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100805143101.htm
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Feb 16, 2015
I don't follow the comics, but from last weeks episode, it wouldn't be too far off base to see that they all died in the barn. Now it's their spirits playing through wether everything is now truly allright or not.
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Feb 16, 2015
For Penguin fans do not miss Talking Dead as the actor who plays him is on the show and even talking dead this week is more interesting than TWD itself.
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Feb 17, 2015
I think The Walking Dead missed an opportunity with him. After Rick and Carol found his dead girlfriend in S4, I kept thinking they would run into him again in some significant development. Well, yes, they did at Terminus, but he had no lines and only lasted a few seconds. Of course, he already was the Penguin at that point, lucky for us viewers, but TWD should have incorporated him into the series way back then.
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Feb 19, 2015
I thought it was significant, if only because Sam & the watch were part of Carol & Rick's story and no one else's. Rick was the only one who knew what it meant to see Sam die like this. Carol the only one that truly knew who he was.

He came alive when Carol & Rick separated, his life ended when they reunited. They are not done by a long shot, but Sam's a big part of why Carol has not given up on Rick and why Rick has not lose faith in Carol.
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Feb 21, 2015
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Feb 19, 2015
Good points--I hadn't thought about Sam's brief appearances in terms of Rick's and Carol's "journeys." As a viewer, though, I would have liked seeing Same play a bigger role, but if he had, then he probably would not be The Penguin, a role he has captured pretty darn well. Rick's recognition of Sam was a brief but special moment. At least Sam died knowing he had a friend.
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Feb 21, 2015
Lol you guys are getting all deep about a fodder character
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Feb 19, 2015
In many ways, Sam was the journey: Rick the familiar face he saw before he died just like Sam was the friendly face Rick couldn't protect. Because he died, Rick understood what Carol felt. Because he failed to protect him, he understood how badly Carol wanted to protect Rick from this.

Just like Sam was the friendly face Rick couldn't save, the watch was the familiar object by which Carol acknowledged his death. Because she took it she honored him, because she bothered to explain Rick what must have happened is that she got closure. Sam is the reason Rick wanted to remain with her, just like Sam was the reason she had to leave him in the first place.
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Feb 17, 2015
On talking dead, the actor said he does not mind coming back with no lines as he is a big fan of the show and he is glad to get closure. He probably cannot do two shows at a time especially since it is different location.
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Feb 17, 2015
Not to mention conflict of interest but it was cool that he was able to be back for that scene at Terminus.
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Feb 16, 2015
So times are tough and people die. I understand the whole life and death metaphor stuff, but come on. After this long you would think that the ones that have made it this far would understand that this is what life is now and they have to come to terms with it a little, but not a single character appears to be dealing with the world that they live in and after 5 seasons of it it's becoming a bit old.

I'm sticking with it in the belief that the show runners have gotten it out of their system a little over the last couple of episodes, cos it seems like they were mourning the character deaths more than me (since both character deaths appeared more like lazy writing as a means to take actors out of the picture than actually developing any form of interesting story).

Hopefully its back on track from here on.
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Feb 16, 2015
Actually, after my rant above i have to admit that there are a couple of characters who have adapted. Carol is a trooper and Carl seems to get it better than the rest.
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Feb 17, 2015
Spoilers if you're interested in the comics, but in that universe Carl is way more hardened and actually becomes one of the more competent survivors.
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Feb 17, 2015
Ye, I think they have tried to show that a bit with his character in teh series as well, but I just think that the writers seems to have a problem developing characters of this type as it is easier for them to fill an episode with ppl who are at their witts end and pining for lost loved ones all the time. Are the comics similar in this sense?
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Feb 16, 2015
No Spoilers: Anybody who's read the comic can probably already predict where the "A-Aron" thing is going. (Mandatory Key & Peele reference for life as far as the name Aaron goes.)

Things are about to get more interesting.
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Feb 17, 2015
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one tempted to call him A-Aron, even though I have read the comic. :)
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Feb 16, 2015
Only if they get to A. soon. But I am afraid the writers will keep them on the woods for longer time.
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Feb 16, 2015
What i learned and concluded:
1: Zombies need humans, humans don't need zombies. Zombies will, sooner or later because of that, always win!
2: If i need watching people feeling they lost someone for nothing and talk about it and cry about it in a whole episode then i better just watch Schindlers List again or read in a lokal newspaper about war in whatever country you like. Childsoldiers, slaves,ebola/other shit, starvation (we are the World...remember the video?) Walking Dead survivors are not any worse than that, so man up and stop whining.
3: When a human comes and introduces him self with a smile at gunpoint and knows who you are and he says he can help. RUN!
4: Where are the kidzombies? They should be able to sneak up better than grownupzombies.
5: So green and still not a drop of water? Dew in mornings?
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Feb 17, 2015
Or as my husband says, concerning your #5 issue, create water from condensation with a plastic tarp. In their travels, they should have visited a bookstore and grabbed a survival manual.

We did have the kid zombie who bit Tyreese last week, but you're right that they are few and far between. I assume the show doesn't want to risk it too often--too controversial perhaps?
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Feb 19, 2015
They did set up water traps some episodes ago! I think it was carol when she was traveling alone! Or was she only collecting rain water? Not sure....
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Feb 20, 2015
GREATM got some water when they were first on the road to DC. Maybe Carol too--I can't remember.
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Feb 20, 2015
Right! There was one or two episodes where they showed us all the tricks they had learned to survive. It gave me the impression that they were past the point where it takes them more than 24 hrs to find water. Would have been easier to believe if they hadn't been in such a lush, green countryside. (Obviously you'd have to learn from scratch if you pass from a green countryside to a desert or something)
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Feb 17, 2015
yeah, that is dew. Regarding kids, i hope there is a better answer in the series even if it is done for the case of being less controversial. But if they do it correct then i wouldnt mind it.
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Feb 19, 2015
I assume that kids just do not last as long even as walkers/zombies. Supposedly the walkers are dying but at a slow rate. Maybe the kid zombies die more quickly if they do not get food, and it probably is harder for them to find food.
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