This vs. That: Lost's Series Finale or Breaking Bad's Series Finale?

Welcome to the latest round of TV.com's "This vs. That," where we pit two things against one another and you vote on which one should win... in whatever context you choose. Our newest match-up will undoubtedly inspire some very, uh, strong feelings in some of you, but I just couldn't resist. So until we can get around to setting up a series finale bracket that complements our recently completed pilots competition, I must know:



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Jan 01, 2014
LOST ALL THE WAY!!! Breaking Bad was too depressing! Left me feeling despondent
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Oct 20, 2013
I think it is blatantly obvious having read the comments and looked at the amount of thumbs up each comment has received more LOST fans have voted, but more Breaking Bad fans have multiple voted.
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Oct 23, 2013
Yeah, I've seen evidence of this in other polls. One vote per person, can't be that hard. :)
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Oct 08, 2013
The structure of both finales are quite similar, I would imagine Vince Gilligan purposely used the Lost finale as a basic outline for his own.
Just a few of the similarities are that both focused mainly on one man trying to achieve something, Both men used a con on the "Bad guy(s), Both men suffered a fatal would in exactly the same position, Both men walked along their surroundings reminiscing about the events we witnessed as they succumbed to their injuries, Both men lay dying face up with the camera pulling up, And both men were greeted in the moment prior to death, Jack obviously by Vincent, and Walt by the police.
Also there are rumours that Walt was dead for a part of the episode, and some of what we saw were the visions of a dying man, I don't agree with this but its interesting none the less.
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Oct 12, 2013
So are you saying Breaking Bad ripped off the Lost finale?Because I never watched BB so I wouldn't know.
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Oct 20, 2013
No, I'm not saying BB ripped off the Lost finale, I'm saying that the BB creators used a similar structure but within their own plot, Both finales used a lot of similar devices, And its on record that Vonce Gilligan the BB creator is a big Damon Lindelof fan, and vice versa.
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Oct 20, 2013
"Vince"
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Oct 08, 2013
Lost was the best.But I do have a question these two shows aren't similar in anyway,so why do people keep trying to compare them.I'm sick of it.Lost wasn't the worst finale in history,people who say they have obviously not watched much television over the years.
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Oct 23, 2013
Agreed, Lost was so friggin' good people expected the end of the known world as a finale, that didn't happen so apparently it's the worst ever. I thought the finale was spot on. ?
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Oct 08, 2013
How is this even a question? Lost's finale was maybe the worst all time for a drama, and Breaking Bad had one of the best. I'm insulted that this question is even asked.
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Oct 23, 2013
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Oct 09, 2013
Bet you are one of the people who think "They were dead the whole time"
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Oct 08, 2013
To even say Lost had "one of the worst finale's of all time" is INSANE, You are either one of the bandwagoners,(Who didn't get it, and instead of attempting to understand it, They simply moan like little girls) A Breaking Bad fanboy, Or someone who never even watched it and believed all the nonsensical myths like "They were dead all along" or "They left soooo many unanswered questions".

I get it wasnt to everyone's taste, but "Worst of all time"?? GET A CLUE.
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Jan 24, 2014
They did leav many unanswered questions. I watched the series a third time only to check if at some point the clues left in the first seasons made sense and they don't. To anyone who knows anything about screenwriting is obvious that that LOST made it up as they went.

Which is not a bad thing, but it surely puts it well below a well.thought out cohesive story such as BB.

If you can answer at least half of these I will be more than glad:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-real-reasons-why-LOST-sucks/109635009083034?hc_location=timeline
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Jan 26, 2014
Oh boy! I just visited that page in the link and I'm telling you. Those aren't questions. That is drivel by someone with a very limited level of intellect. Once you've watched something 3 times and you still don't understand it, maybe it's time to just move in and accept that YOU are the problem and not the material.
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Oct 07, 2013
Lost's finale was one of the worst ever made. Breaking Bad's was one of the best. Not a contest, this.

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Oct 07, 2013
Nah, Both finales were brilliant, Breaking bad's was simple and straightforward while Lost's was more complex and emotionally breathtaking.
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Jan 24, 2014
And nonsensical. Which is breathtaking.
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Oct 06, 2013
Its rigged guys, People have been saying you can multiple vote (All Breaking Bad fans funilly enough) but as an experiment I just tried it and it wont let me, Now if I had voted for Breaking Bad I imagine it would have counted.
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Jan 24, 2014
Wow, that's desperate...
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Oct 23, 2013
Wrong!
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Oct 06, 2013
Breaking bad's finale was satisfying, but Lost's was satisfying, amazing, beautiful and all the nice words out there.
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Oct 05, 2013
Wow... surprisingly close.

I'm one of those people who were satisfied with Lost's ending, but Breaking Bad's was, in my book, pretty much flawless.
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Oct 04, 2013
Both finales were exceptional, But Lost gets my vote.
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Oct 04, 2013
Lost ! Because everyone had their one final in their minds.
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Oct 04, 2013
LOST!!!!
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Oct 04, 2013
how are you even comparing these? Lost's was the worst finale in the history of tv (nest to Battlestar Galactica's, and I do respect both series lots), Breaking Bad's was the best. care to elaborate? yes I do. Lost's was a chaotic ending to a downward spiral, no explanations, no point, no sense at all. Breaking Bad's was an amazingly thought through closing to a perfect journey with no spare pieces.
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Oct 04, 2013
Care to elaborate on "no explanations, no point, no sense at all." Anyone who watched the whole thing and paid attention would disagree.
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Oct 12, 2013
I watched the whole thing and for some reason I paid attention - throwing in a glowing cave in the end is NOT a valid explanation
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Oct 15, 2013
And I pity your lack of imagination of you didn't notice the complete cohesion there, Aww bless.
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Oct 13, 2013
If you think it was simply a "glowing cave" you didnt pay attention. There is an explanation for EVERY question, However people with no imagination may struggle to understand or even notice they were there.
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Oct 14, 2013
I admire your imagination if you noticed a shred of coherence there, hats off
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Oct 04, 2013
@AndyDwyer

You labelling Lost fans as "Fanatics" is no different to me calling people who hate Lost "Haters", And if you had bothered to read some comments you may find that most of the people that hate Lost do so due to their own failings, ie They misunderstood it.
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Oct 05, 2013
I think if you happened to read ALL the comments you would see that I have read more than 'some' of the comments. If you read some comments you will see that most people have actually gone out of their way to emphasise the fact that either they understood the ending as the writers intended and didn't like it, or that they didn't understand because the writers were incapable of pulling off a comprehensible ending and thus didn't like it.
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Oct 05, 2013
If you HAD read more than a few comments you would have seen how many people say such stupid false things like "The ending sucked because they were dead all along" or "They left so many unanswered questions".

By saying the ending was incomprehensible you are inadvertently saying "I didn't understand it".
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Oct 08, 2013
They weren't dead all along.
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Oct 05, 2013
'False beliefs'? Seriously? Finally, someone who actually admits to the fact that it takes a Kierkegaardian leap of faith to stand by Lost through all its flaws. I think how I think because I stand by reason, not belief.
Lost continually sought to tantilise us with the answers to life, the universe and everything, but in the end took the easy way out. The only way for a show like lost to finish with credibility is if it actually did leave questions unanswered. The fans didn't want to think for themselves so even after the show finished pressured the writers to help them understand how they should have watched the show.
The least satisfactory story arc of lost: the meaning of the numbers. Damon Lindelof is even on record for saying that he doesn't know what they mean! And they are the focal point of the show yet the writers had no idea what they were doing with them. Here is a quote: '"The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six.' Well yeah, a lot of people were disappointed because the writers couldn't manage to satisfactorily integrate the numbers with the other events on the show to provide some hint as to what they actually meant.
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Jan 24, 2014
Exactly. I love how people say "there are explainations to every answer" and yet they fail to explain use very basic stuff that made the plot go on.

Like how everyone is able to see ghosts, at some point, even outside the island, and if it wasn't for that the plot wouldn't go on, but then they don't see them for the rest of the time.

And the explaination "oh, but it's beautiful, you don't need an explaination for everything, life doesn't work that way." Yes, yes you do. Otherwise we authorize writers wiht no imagination and skill to write whatever plot device to make the plot procede without needing a resons.
This cheapens the plot and the attention we pour in the show.

Yes, the cave glows, it's magic, we don't need to explain why it makes the island travel in time. Yes the smoke monster has unlimited power but it can't fly off the island. Also it can kill some people but not others, and some it just decides to kill them at another time. It's magic, it doesn't need explaining.

It was very lazy writing. Any professional would notice.
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Oct 08, 2013
You know Lost was like life,there are no answers.Life is a leap of faith and watching Lost was one of the best things I ever did.Life is not cut and dried,like some of you obviously want your television to be,Life is complicated and the answers are not always given.
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Oct 07, 2013
"False beliefs'? Seriously? Finally, someone who actually admits to the fact that it takes a Kierkegaardian leap of faith to stand by Lost through all its flaws. I think how I think because I stand by reason, not belief."

You failed to understand "Dave's" point, His point was that people moan about the show because the believe something that is "False" for example that "They died in the original crash" or that "The show didnt answer the vast majority of its questions".

"but in the end took the easy way out"

I cannot understand how you could say "They took the easy way out" Its preposterous to suggest that, They took the most daring way out, They could have easily gone with a more "Scientific" route, Like Fringe did, But Fringe's ending made little to no sense, neither logically or narratively, It was awful, THEY took the easy way out. Lost's ending was hinted at in the very first episode of Lost, They always said there was a clue in the pilot, And the backgammon scene with Walt and Locke foreshadows much of the shows mythology, the conflict between MIB and Jacob, The canddates, The "constant" concept, and perhaps most importantly that the afterlife was always going to the "End game".

"Damon Lindelof is even on record for saying that he doesn't know what they mean"

No, He isn't, He simply said we wouldn't get a detailed "Explanation", Which I am glad about, We got enough information to understand them. Too many shows over explain things, as if we are all stupid, which often makes the show unbearable for me.
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Oct 06, 2013
Hey, I'm just quoting the actual writer, I guess you know more than he/they do. And you just proved my point btw.
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Oct 05, 2013
WRONG!! We know exactly what the numbers mean, All he's saying here is that there wont be a spoon fed EXPLANATION.

False beliefs, Yes, Like if people believe something that isnt true, GEEZ.

Look I have never once said Lost was perfect, I see its flaws, But i see less flaws than in most other shows, and for me it had FAR more great points than ANY other show in history, And yes that includes Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos, etc etc.
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Oct 05, 2013
Sigh, so you haven't read the comments then. Actually, you didn't even read properly my comment you replied to! I mean, did I just personally say the ending was incomprehensible? No, I was echoing some of the comments which you have not read.
Did the writers try and do too much? Yes they did. Did it fail to meet the expectations it created? Of course. Was Lost a train-wreck? Yes it was. That is my personal opinion.
Lost was, in my opinion, the poor persons Twin Peaks.
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Oct 08, 2013
You certainly spend alot of time on here discussing Lost for it to be nothing more than a poor persons Twin Peaks.That is a ridiculous remark Lost is infinitely better than Twin Peaks or Breaking Bad for that matter.If you like the end or not,Lost was one helluva show and one hellavu ride,if you didn't appreciate it you should spend your energies elsewhere discussing what you do like,instead of bothering Lost fans.
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Oct 06, 2013
Haha, How so? That quote says nothing other than what I said.
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Oct 05, 2013
Sigh indeed. You may not have literally stated it, But thats what you believe.

You can have your opinion, I cannot change that, But I would suggest that your opinion is based on false beliefs, Such as the afore mentioned "They were dead all along" or "They left so many unanswered questions". If I'm wrong then I would be interested in why it is you think how you do.

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Oct 04, 2013
Almost 30k votes.
Am I the only one who sees BrBa at 16k and Lost at 14k?
I guess in the real world it would be Brba 29k and Lost 1k.
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Oct 04, 2013
Nope!
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Oct 05, 2013
Nope again
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Oct 04, 2013
I am fine knowing that some questions on Lost weren't answered. If certain things were given concrete answers, people would have to accept them as fact, even if they don't like them. Unanswered things allow for people to not be wrong cause they get the luxury of making their own answers using given information from and their own theories. I appreciated that. I get why a lot of people rather have everything answered, but like I said, that could have led to even more complaints. Basically it was a no win situation. So why did the writers raise questions and put themselves in that position? Possibly cause for a lot of viewers it helped add to the viewing experience.

Anyway, I loved both finales so I chose not to vote. Maybe one day I will hold Breaking Bad's in higher regard as opposed to equal, but I personally view them each on their own merit, and not by comparing them.
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Oct 04, 2013
I'm not voting, because you cannot even compare the two. The only people who will vote are people who didn't like the ending of LOST because it was so open-ended, and so it will be an emotional reaction in favour of BB, or die-hard LOST fans who are defending the show and/or never saw BB (a great shame). All you can really do is contrast the endings, not compare them. Both amazing and unforgettable shows that I'll constantly re-watch, but again not comparable.
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Oct 04, 2013
I agree mostly with what you are saying, in terms of comparing these SHOWS against each other, as they both have their own thing about them that makes them special and it is an Apples to Oranges comparison if you are comparing the SHOWS. Not only because of each show's content, but also because one was aired on PRIMETIME ABC, while the other was a hidden gem on lessor known AMC channel. Regardless, the question wasn't which SHOW was better.

This question was about the FINALE, which FINALE was better?

If you had watched both shows, you can indeed compare how a finale was for each show because you went along the journey for each of the shows. If you didn't watch both shows than you really can't answer this question. I'm not accusing you of not watching both shows, as it is evident from your post you have, I am just saying this figuratively. Unfortunately you are getting fanboys from either side defending their favorite show's honor without a clue of the greatness of the other show.

With that said, comparing Finales is comparing how the show ended for each series. So in your opinion was the Finale of LOST better than the Finale of Breaking Bad? Was LOST's Finale more consistent, and satisfying to LOST Fans than Breaking Bad's Finale was to Breaking Bad's fans?. I think not. (my opinion)

I am a fan of Both shows, but Breaking Bad's Finale was more fitting of an ending for the show than LOST's finale was for LOST. The reactions right after each FINALE aired is proof of that.

I would argue that people that haven't seen both shows, actually need to in order for their opinion to matter, as the Finale of a show only matters if you saw the series. Just like the ending of a book only matters if you read the book.

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Oct 05, 2013
Oh, and I agree that people who vote or are interested in this or similar comparisons need to know the content of what they are talking about. Sadly, people still often criticize that which they know nothing about.
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Oct 05, 2013
I realize that the comparison being made is the how people felt about how the show was wrapped up (not necessarily the final episode as a whole), but I still don't think it can be done without bias -- which is to say, people who were dissatisfied with LOST's ending will be satisfied with BB's because the latter's was definitely more clear cut and left little or no room for question, whereas LOST's ending, for many, was a giant question mark (it was not for me -- I have my personal opinion of what happened, and I like that). Hence part of the reaction you mention at the end of both shows. Both have their merits, but I tend to swing a little more in favor of the one that leaves it up to you to decide (so long as it's not TOO much, or some kind of cliff-hanger).

I think both endings were perfectly suited to their respective shows. The only argument I have against LOST's (have none against BBs), is that I thought until the very end of the episode at the church that they tried to wrap it up too quickly.

One last comment on the benefits of leaving the show with a sort of open-ended ending vs. one that is clear cut, while people will still watch reruns of BB and love it (I'll be one of them), LOST in some respects is still going on because it never fully closed the door.

Kudos for the well written comment.
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Oct 04, 2013
Apples and Oranges. You can't really compare the two shows, let alone based on their last episode. I think the majority of Lost haters simply didn't get the ending. That's what pissed them off, they didn't get it so instead of thinking they cursed the show.

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Oct 04, 2013
So do you like Apples better or Oranges?
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Oct 05, 2013
I like both. Thanks for asking. ;-)
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Oct 04, 2013
I don't think there are any Lost haters here. Only Lost fans who defend the show the end or " who do not understand the ending". That said, not to understand the ending maybe has something to do with the PROGRAM IN GENERAL- not the technicalities.
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Oct 05, 2013
"Hating" something you don't understand pretty much explains what is so wrong with this world. I don't know what you've heard or read but A LOT of people utterly hated the ending of Lost because they didn't get it.
I love both shows dearly. LOST presented questions and asked the viewer to think while Breaking Bad delivered great answers.
However both shows had a good ending, the difference was that Vince gave us a pretty black and white ending that didn't require much afterthought but Carlton/Damon gave us a whole bunch of answers and then asked us to "arrange them in the correct order". Some of us did just that and went "Wow!" while others went: "Fuck this, I have to think and I don't do that."
However, I still don't think that Breaking Bad should be compared to Lost or vice-versa because the shows were VERY different. Maybe compare Lost and Fringe & Breaking Bad and The Sopranos.
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Oct 04, 2013
I liked the ending but understand why a lot of people didn't. The small portion of people who still think that they were dead the whole time though have only themselves to blame, and not the show, as it was one of the more easily explained things.
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Oct 05, 2013
"I liked the ending but understand why a lot of people didn't."

I just think it's really sad that a show that encouraged people to think gets so much disrespect and I don't understand why anyone would resort to thrashing a show because they didn't understand it. That kind of ignorant behaviour just really gets under my skin. But I agree with everything else you wrote.
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Oct 04, 2013
there's no point in voting, the poll allows you to vote again, if you refresh or open this page, and it looks like some people are taking this advantage
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Oct 04, 2013
Indeed, this has been pointed out. That said, if some loser wishes to refresh and re-vote over, and over again- thank god! At least they're not out in the real world causing real problems and generating actual tears of frustration! BTW only Lost would bother doing all the above.
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Oct 05, 2013
Well, Daddy Dave spat "moron" and I've dealt with that guy before and he's prone to name-calling, so it's not the first time. If you have problems with what muzrub said, why don't you tell HIM that?
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Oct 05, 2013
I respond to how I am addressed, So if I called you anything maybe look at how you address others also.
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Oct 05, 2013
So you're saying if people behave like idiots to you, you become an idiot. Well, my my conscience is clear. I was totally civil to you. I understand there's no reason to offend somebody in the name of a silly TV show.
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Oct 05, 2013
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Oct 04, 2013
Ok, we get it, you think Lost fans are losers and BB fans are awesome. Maybe, just maybe, you could think of the possibility that there are some hardcore Lost fans out there refreshing the page, but there are also the same kind of fans of BB (and looking at the poll, doing the refreshing thing more because BB is winning). But, one could also think that there are Lost fans who really enjoyed Lost, as a whole and it's ending, and also like BB but believe that the ending, even if "satisfying" to some, feels a little predictable, safe and even a tip boring. So, if you agree with my point, you could start showing some respect to people just like you, that have a different opinion.
Oh, and there are Lost haters here, you just need to read more comments below.
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Oct 04, 2013
are you sure Lost fans are the only ones re-voting, its obvious BB fans are doing it too, and it looks like lost fans are taking this as a lost vs bb: which show is better poll instead of just the series finale
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Oct 04, 2013
Haha, Dont be stupid, There are only about 400 members in this site, Yet theres almost 30, 000 votes, Do the math moron.
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Oct 04, 2013
You often resort to name calling. I'll try think this is problem you you have and your inability to carry rational discussion and not generalize it as an inadequate behavior of overzealous and fanatic Lost fans in general.
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Oct 05, 2013
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Oct 05, 2013
Well, muzrub sayed the only losers that would re-vote would be Lost fans, so he is name calling also. But hey, you don't mind because you agree with him right?
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Oct 04, 2013
All you have done is be sarcastic towards Lost and the people that like it, I think you should take a look at yourself, It seems you are the one who struggles to have rational discussions. My life ambition? LOL.
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Oct 04, 2013
I never called you anything, neither did muzrub. Instead you should redirect your rage to something more useful than making your life's mission to defend a show that was great, but also had great flaws.
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Oct 04, 2013
You ever wondered why that is? Because you Lost haters do the same, And maybe we Lost fans are tired of being called delusional for loving something you didnt, We get it, You hated it, So what, But the sarcasm you "Haters" give is pretty pathetic.
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Oct 04, 2013
Yes, I'm the moron *cough!
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Oct 19, 2013
OBVIOUSLY!
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Oct 04, 2013
According to the lost fanatics like DADDY_DAVE there are only two types of people in the world: those who worship lost, and those who don't. Those who don't are automatically 'haters'. Perhaps the fanatics have more substance than that, but they sure as hell don't show it when commenting lol
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Oct 04, 2013
It seems like so many people are confused about the Island in Lost. Stop worrying about it. The Island just IS. Like the Wardrobe to Narnia. Don't try to understand how it works, it's just there. Focus on the relationships and the other goings on.
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Jan 24, 2014
But isn't that lazy writing? If you can just put anything without ever following up on clues or with constant rewriting of the rules, the plot doesn't just fall apart? I mean, if in the Lord of the Rings suddenly we discover that Sauron is a little dude with bug teeth, and that there is a badder dude who can't kill anyone... don't we feel like the whole fear of Sauron we had up until that point was a joke to the writer?
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Oct 04, 2013
I'm not sure why so many people voted Lost, it was such a waste to a stellar final season.
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Oct 04, 2013
I don't watch Breaking Bad, but Lost was so bad that BB wins by default!
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Oct 04, 2013
Watch it, watch it now.
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Oct 04, 2013
It seems rather offensive that a high profile site like tv.com would suggest that one could compare Vince Gilligan's cohesive thoughtful writing with meandering, inconclusive, slapped together at the last minute story that was Lost.

The only loose end that Breaking Bad forgot to resolve was "what happened to poor Huell!?" whereas the loose ends left behind by Lost were... all of them.
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Oct 04, 2013
Obviously you weren't paying attention to the finale of Lost. They explained almost everything and fairly explicitly. Jack died on the island as we saw. Everyone else who didn't die got off the island except for Hurley and Ben who became the new guardians of the island. As each character eventually died throughout the years they all began a journey (the flash forwards of the final season) to find each other. They finally meet in the afterlife (the church) and spent eternity together in Nirvana. Beautiful!! They wrapped up most everything just as Breaking Bad did. They accomplished exactly what they set out to do. The entire story from begining to end was about finding each other and connecting to other human beings. It was about mystery and following clues. So I find it difficult that people who watched the show didn't connect all the dots. Especially when most of them were connected for us.
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Oct 05, 2013
Oh, sure, they "explained" it with a rather ambiguous deus ex machina ending. "Yea, every single one of those weird unexplainable things that happened, all those complicated plot elements that all seemed to have their own individual, unique explanation? Yea, every one of those bizarre situations you witnessed in that 85 hour span, those all fell under the same [ending] umbrella." They connected all the dots by scribbling all over the lines.

Regardless of how long it took Vince Gilligan to come up with the ending of Breaking Bad, whether it was a last minute bender or known since day one, every nuance of the story seemed to be wrapped up with a nice little bow. Even if I sat around and tried to find some plot holes, it felt like a satisfying completion with no loose ends. With Lost, I felt cheated.
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Oct 05, 2013
Explain "Cheated" How? I don't understand how anyone could feel cheated even if it was bad(which it certainly wasn't).

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Oct 04, 2013
Sorry there buddy, I'm a Lost Fan, but you said "The entire story from beginning to end was about finding each other and connecting other human beings." That is not true.

When Lost was first pitched (the Beginning) it had nothing to do with that at all. In fact, Lost was being made up as it went along and it wasn't until they decided it had to end that they started to try and connect dots.


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Oct 04, 2013
LOST'S ENDING WAS FORESHADOWED IN THE PILOT, How many times do you attention lackers have to be told? Besides, Vince Gilligan stated only months ago that he had NO IDEA how BB would end, So get your facts straight BUDDY.
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Jan 24, 2014
Can I play too? I have some unresolved questions.

1- Why did the writers spend so much time pyshcing us about Walt and even showed him having powers, but then threw away the character after the second season?

2- Why can people see ghosts outside of the island, if the chief explaination was that it was the black smoke taking their looks?

3- Followup question. If it wasn't him and I missed something, how come that some of them can see the dead constantly, some only when the plot requires them too? Why didn't they explain the seer thing even outside the island?

4- Why did Jacob claim he doesn't want to ruin people's lives by bringing them to the island. Then why did he favour Sayid's wife death?

5- The numbers. And don't five me some "oh, but it's not why, it's the way they work that's important excuse". You know why? Because otherwise it's just lazy writing: let's put something magical to make the plot go ahead, otherwise we don't know how. Where did the numbers come from? Why were they the winning numbers at the lottery? How could they cause misfortune?

These are only a few but I would be glad if somebody could explain at least these ones. Thank you.
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Oct 12, 2013
Yes I am serious -- give some specifics about what the story is about. "...lives thrust into an extra ordinary situation..." is pretty much boilerplate stuff. In fact that can apply to BB too. That's like saying it's man vs man; or man vs God; or man vs nature. Kinda lame.

You have stated in other posts that you know *everything* about LOST. I am just asking some questions. I am asking what you know -- not what is stated in Lostpedia. Why is it called Dharma and not some other name? Does it have any significance to the story? or is it just an arbitrary name? If it is not an arbitrary name and has significance to the story, does it relate to John Locke? what is the significance of using the name Dharma? if so, then is there a relationship to Locke? if not then just say so. And, is there a significance to naming a character in the story John Locke? if not, then not. I would just like to know.

I'm just starting with these -- what should be -- simple questions. I do have a lot more and would appreciate the insight from the person who knows everything about LOST.

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@cjtorrice

"So what was LOST about? Did Dharma mean anything? Did Locke seeming to understand the island early on mean anything?"

What was Lost about? Are you serious? If you want a simple explanation to a gargantuan question then I would simply say Lost was about ordinary people, Lost in their lives thrust into an extra ordinary situation, Now if you want to ask specifics...lets go.

What did Dharma mean? Did you not watch the whole show lol?
The DHARMA (Department of Heuristics And Research onMaterial Applications) Initiative was a scientific research project that had a large presence on the Island between the 1970s and the early 1990s. The project is represented by variations of an octagonal logo, a variation of the Ba Gua, which comes from Taoist mysticism, that appear on most of its products and facilities.
The Initiative's general goal was to manipulate scientific laws in order to change any of the six factors of the Valenzetti equation, a sequence that was believed to have some connection to the date marking the end of humanity, in hopes of delaying such a date.
The Hanso Foundation ended further funding to the Initiative in 1987. The DHARMA Initiative largely ended after the purge, an event that saw the death of almost all of its members on the Island at the hands of the hostiles, in 1992.
According to various orientation films, the Initiative was founded in 1970 by Gerald and Karen DeGroot, two doctoral candidates at the University of michigan in Ann Arbour Michigan. It was financially backed by Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso(Great Grandson of Magnus Hanso, Captain of the black rock) and his Hanso foundation.
According to Eloise Hawking, Dharma used The Lampost station in Los Angeles to find the location of the Island in the 1960s. Located underneath a church, the Lamp Post harnessed the unique pocket of energy in that area and used it to find other similar pockets around the globe. Though this man was only interested in one specific area: the Island. Since the Island was always moving, the Lamp Post was integral in finding its location. Within a few years' time, the location was uncovered.At some point in the early 1970s, the DHARMA Initiative founded a tiny community on the Island. The Barracks became the center of operation for the DHARMA Initiative on the Island. Significant quantities of construction materials, electronic equipment and various vehicles and machinery were brought to the Island during the phase of settlement for the construction of the various DHARMA stations. Off the Island, the DHARMA Initiative's activities were coordinated from Ann Arbor in Michigan.
Not long after settling on the Island, the DHARMA Initiative fought an armed conflict with a group they called the Hostiles prior to 1973. The reasons for the conflict are not known, though Horace Goodspeed stated that the Hostiles were natives to the Island, implying that a conflict could have arisen from DHARMA moving into their territory or intruding on the Island. On August 15, 1973, DHARMA and the Hostiles agreed to a Truce, and an uneasy peace existed between them for nearly two decades.
DHARMA appears not only to have violated the Truce but to have taken steps as the conflict escalated, including devoting one of their stations (The Arrow) to developing new strategies against the Hostiles, installation of security cameras and other monitoring systems, weapon stockpiles (unusual for a utopian community), and even having a professional interrogator on their staff. The conflict between the two does not appear to have been helped by the appearance of the time shifting survivors in 1974-1977.
Regardless of the cause, the conflict ended in December 1992 with an event known as the purge. The Hostiles launched a toxic gas attack on the Barracks that killed nearly all DHARMA personnel on the Island. Staff at The Swan survived, as they were sealed inside their station, and other DHARMA members, including Ben and Ethan, survived by joining the Hostiles. The bodies of those killed in the attack were piled into an open mass grave in the jungle. The Hostiles continue to survive today as the group Danielle, the survivors and the survivors of the freighter Kahana call "the others".
After the slaughter, some of the DHARMA projects on the Island collapsed. For example, the polar bears escaped from their cages during the collapse.
Other than those DHARMA members who joined the Others (such as Ben and Ethan), there are only two DHARMA members on the Island who are known to have survived the Purge: Stuart Radzinsky and Kelvin Inman, who remained in The Swan after the Purge. Radzinsky committed suicide, and Inman, the last known member of the Initiative on the Island, died September 22, 2004.
The DHARMA Initiative collapsed or was destroyed off the Island as well, The DHARMA Initiative failed.
By 2004 at the latest, The Lampost was in the control of Eloise Hawking. It is unknown whether other DHARMA facilities off the Island were similarly taken over by the Others.
The Dharma logistics warehouse in Orote Peninsula, Guam, continued to function, delivering Periodic resupply drops to the Island. This warehouse was run by Hector and Glen, who were unaware that the rest of the DHARMA Initiative no longer existed. In 2010, Ben closed down this warehouse.
Nothing is known about the fate of Alvar Hanso, the DeGroots, or the DHARMA headquarters in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
I could go on if you like?

Locke never truly understood the Island, But he knew it was "Special" due to the fact that once they crashed his paralysis was gone, he knew they were there for a reason, a purpose, Part of the reason for his faith however was due to him being manipulated by the MIB, He and the others were lead to believe he was himself "Special" due to a "Long con" performed by MIB, MIB manipulated events and situations leading the others to believe he would become their leader, just so once he died, The MIB could assume Locke's identity and gain access to Jacob. Of course it meant something, I think like many you misinterpreted or simply missed many things.
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Oct 11, 2013
So what was LOST about? Did Dharma mean anything? Did Locke seeming to understand the island early on mean anything?
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Oct 04, 2013
This is not entirely true. They had ideas in mind, but sometimes that ideas changed because the characters grow with the story. For example, Jack was supposed to be a one chapter character if I remember correctly. This is something that happens in a lot of series/books, the characters dictate where the story goes sometimes.
And I do believe that the series's name has to do with the fact that all these characters were lost before the Island, and that they saved one another.
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Oct 03, 2013
Granted, Breaking Bad benefited greatly by comparison from just airing a week after the royal turd of a Dexter finale, but it was still incredibly satisfying and less divisive than Lost's end.
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Oct 03, 2013
True, Dexter's finale was one of the worst things I have ever seen, Both in terms of creativity(Or lack there of) and execution. Breaking Bad is an excellent TV series but it never raised half the themes Lost did, Lost was always going to be polarizing simply because of the nature of the show, It was Sci-fi/fantasy after-all.
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Oct 04, 2013
Again, this isn't about which SHOW was better. Which FINALE was better? You do realize you can like a show's finale better than another show's finale and still like both shows, right? You are not choosing LOST or BREAKING BAD over each other, you are choosing which FINALE was better
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Oct 04, 2013
Yes, And as great as BB's finale was LOST touched me in more ways, So LOST it is.
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Oct 03, 2013
Dexter wasn't bad until we found out he didn't die in the storm. Seriously a title with the name of the character and the show doesn't end with his death? That's a first.
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Oct 04, 2013
Sorry, But Dexter was bad for 4 full seasons.
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Oct 05, 2013
To me it wasn't "bad", just not good. Lost and Breaking Bad had better endings.
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Oct 04, 2013
agreed. I loved Michael C. Hall's portrayal of Dexter and i kept going back to watch even though I knew the stories were getting weaker with each passing season. The Bad seasons had some great moments in them, but not enough to classify those seasons as good. The ending ... well. Can we at least all agree that FINALE was not as good as LOST or BREAKING BAD?
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Oct 03, 2013
You should have put Breaking Bads ending up against The Shields.
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Oct 06, 2013
The Shield all the way.
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Oct 03, 2013
@brianhendrich

Are YOU kidding me?

What YOU think are "Unanswered questions" are actually things YOU missed or didn't understand.

"What was going on during the outrigger shooting?"
Time-flashes, The people shooting at Sawyer, Locke etc were crew from the Black Rock.http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_journal_entry_transcript

" Why did the man in black turn into a smoke monster when he was exposed to the light?"
With the light being the gateway to the afterlife, Only the non-physical(Soul/Spirit) can enter once they are separated from their physical body(Dead), When the MIB entered the light, he was NOT dead, Therefore something "Worse than death" happened, His soul/spirit/consciousness was taken over by an "evil" force that has existed within the light since creation, This "Evil" then escaped when MIB's physical body was thrust out of the cave. The MIB's soul/spirit/consciousness was now "Claimed" by "evil" leaving his body dead.

" Why did pregnant women die on the island?"
Because the energy within the light contains Electromagnetic energy, EM energy is capable of causing immune system boosts, In this case causing a woman's body to turn against a foetus as if it were an infection or foreign body, The woman then suffers a loss of white blood cells and dies.

" If pregnant women die on the island, why did Claire live?"
Because Claire arrived on the Island long after the foetus was in any danger.

"What was the deal with the huge statue?"

Egyptians once inhabited the Island, They were much more spiritual and understanding of spiritual concepts, The statue was of Taweret..The Egyptian goddess of life, death and rebirth, which is EXACTLY what the light was...The source of creation, death and rebirth.

"Why did some people go back in time but some didn't?"
Because some were candidates or spiritually connected to them and some were not.

"What was special about Walt?"
Walt possessed psionic abilities, these abilities were connected to the energy of the Island, Walt wasn't a mystery himself but merely an introduction to a mystery of the Island, The Dharma Initiative studied psionics and the others were also fascinated by them.

"If Walt was special, why did he just basically disappear from the story?"
Walt as I said wasn't as important to the plot as people think, He was simply part of a bigger question , What is this Island?

"Why was Libby in the mental hospital?" Because her husband David died.

"How did she get out?" Really? Erm, She got better.

" Why did Jacob's cabin seem to appear only to some people, and why did it move around?"
Because both Jacob and the MIB have the ability to distort reality.

" What happened to Christian Shepherd's body?"
This is not a question asked by the show but hey whatever, Any number of things could have happened,, A bear may have took it, much like when one took Eko, Or the MIB could have took it to mess with Jack's head.

"Why does Desmond have the ability to survive all this electromagnetism that no one else can?"
Because he built up an immunity while spending over 3 years in the hatch pushing the button and then experiencing the failsafe implosion.

" What keeps the smoke monster from passing through gray ash?"
Never heard of "Smudging" a ritual many cultures perform to ward of demonic entities.

"If all that's needed to keep him out is gray ash, why bother putting up that huge fence?"
If you had paid attention to the show you would be aware of one the most prevalent themes....Science Vs Faith, This was the science version using sonic waves to keep out the smoke monster, Faith's version was the "Smudging".

"Why were the numbers bad luck for Hurley?"
The weren't necessarily bad luck, Much like in numerology, the numbers were part of a grand design, they were connected to the Island and the people destined to play a role in its history/future, They often caused events to happen so that destiny would be fulfilled.

"Why did bad things happen to people in dealing with the numbers?"
See above.

"I could go on"
OK, Lets hear them, As I said, Lost answered virtually every question, However some people cannot connect the dots.
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Oct 03, 2013
Here's something else I found interesting. I found a link with 108 answers to Lost's unanswered questions, and as I read through it, what I found fascinating is that a lot of his answers aren't the same as yours. Now that's interesting. So let me ask you; were you not paying enough attention, was he not paying enough attention, or was the show just so convoluted that even people who liked it and defend it disagree on the answers? Because it has to be one of those three.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/108-answers-to-losts-supposedly-unanswered-questions/
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Oct 03, 2013
"Here's something else I found interesting. I found a link with 108 answers to Lost's unanswered questions, and as I read through it, what I found fascinating is that a lot of his answers aren't the same as yours. Now that's interesting. So let me ask you; were you not paying enough attention,"
I paid complete attention.

"was he not paying enough attention"
Maybe, Or maybe as is possible, he misinterpreted some things, Is that so inconceivable? That someone who makes a blog can get something wrong, I am very confident in my position.

", or was the show just so convoluted that even people who liked it and defend it disagree on the answers? Because it has to be one of those three."
What you call convoluted I call complex, The complexities of Lost could seem convoluted to casual viewers who lack imagination or knowledge of the world around us. And yes, Even some people that liked it misinterpreted some things.

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Oct 04, 2013
If people who are saying that all of the answers are there if just paid attention can't agree on the answers, that's proof it was convoluted! How can you not see that? Do you realize how condescending you sound? We get it, you loved Lost. That's fine. But don't act like the only reason people disliked it was because they weren't paying attention or didn't get it. That's not true.
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Oct 04, 2013
"If people who are saying that all of the answers are there if just paid attention can't agree on the answers, that's proof it was convoluted! How can you not see that?"
Are you really saying that because people love something they must agree on everything about it? The reason some disagree with others is because it was complex, Some things are not easily understood, Some things depend on your own personal knowledge or life experiences, How can YOU not see that?

" Do you realize how condescending you sound?"
Yes, I do, But you know why? Because the Lost haters are so rude and disgusting its quite unbelievable.

"We get it, you loved Lost. That's fine. But don't act like the only reason people disliked it was because they weren't paying attention or didn't get it. That's not true."
As I keep stating, I have NEVER said that everyone that didn't like Lost or the finale, Didn't "get it", But surely you cannot deny the fact that most people that complain didn't get it, or believe the unanswered questions myth.
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Oct 03, 2013
Do realize how ridiculous all of that sounds? Not only ridiculous, but most of that wasn't in the show it's just fans trying to fill in the gaps. That's not good writing.

1. I don't see any mention of shooting in your Black Rock transcript.
2. That still doesn't explain why sometimes he was a man, sometimes he was a smoke monster, nor does it explain why the smoke monster made mechanical sounds, nor does it explain why Rosseau called the smoke monster a security system.
3. That's speculation and was not said in the show.
4. Ok I'll give you that one.
5. Again, speculation not covered in the show, and that doesn't explain what happened to it. Why did only the foot remain?
6. So if the candidates were the ones going back in time, why didn't Sun? Wasn't she a candidate? And if she wasn't a candidate because of her child, then why was Kate, because she was raising Aaron as her child?
7. Total cop out on the Walt answer: season 1 clearly built up that he was special, (even warning Locke not to open the hatch, and that was never explained either), but that story was abandoned (most likely due to the actor just getting too old).
8. So now when you're spouse dies you go to a nut house? Geez, I'm glad mine is still alive then.
9. So if it's that simple, why even bother showing her there at all? What was the point?
10. Ok, but it seemed rather arbitrary. Were they just making it up as the went along (kind of like the writers of the show)?
11. How is it not a question asked by the show? His body freaking disappeared IN THE SHOW! I'm pretty sure a dead man can't just get out of a cabin and walk away. So what happened to it? We don't know because the show never told us.
12. Lol, so being exposed to electromagnetism makes you immune to it? Am I the only one realizing how stupid that sounds?
13. No I haven't. Would have been nice for that to be answered IN THE SHOW.
14. Ok, fair enough.
15. Really, they weren't bad luck? Try telling that to Hurley. And I'm pretty sure a guy falling off of a tall building wasn't necessary to fulfill Hurley's destiny.
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"Do realize how ridiculous all of that sounds?"
You do realize that Lost was a sci-fi/fantasy TV show don't you? If you tried to explain parts of any supernatural story it would often sound "Ridiculous".

" Not only ridiculous, but most of that wasn't in the show it's just fans trying to fill in the gaps"
Oh god, Your'e a hoot, It was ALL in the show, You just weren't bright enough to pick up the details because we werent spoon fed with "Scooby Doo" style garbage explanations that occur on 95% of other TV series.

"1. I don't see any mention of shooting in your Black Rock transcript."
Really? Then I suggest you go read it again, It clearly states..... "December 18? - An away team of six men was launched at first light in an attempt to get to the island with hopes of determining our location.
Only one returned alive. He seems in a deep shock, muttering about exchanging musket fire with another vessel which promptly disappeared in a flash of heavenly light." Not doing very well are you lol...


"2. That still doesn't explain why sometimes he was a man, sometimes he was a smoke monster, nor does it explain why the smoke monster made mechanical sounds, nor does it explain why Rosseau called the smoke monster a security system."
Did you watch it really? It was clearly shown and stated that he could appear in a physical form of the dead, as well as an apparition of people. The monster made mechanical sounds simply because they creators thought it was cool, Why not? Maybe they should have had it barking like a dog? or squealing like Britney? And Rosseau was simply wrong, Sometimes in stories people get things wrong, Guess what people do that in real life too, What a shocker.

"3. That's speculation and was not said in the show."
No, Again, Everything I've stated comes from the show.

"4. Ok I'll give you that one"
Oh thankyou.

"5. Again, speculation not covered in the show, and that doesn't explain what happened to it. Why did only the foot remain?"
Seriously? ITS ALL IN THE SHOW!!! And only the foot remained because the statue was hit by a ship during a Tsunami, Seriously that was covered by a FULL EPISODE.

"6. So if the candidates were the ones going back in time, why didn't Sun? Wasn't she a candidate? And if she wasn't a candidate because of her child, then why was Kate, because she was raising Aaron as her child?" Sun was never a candidate, 42 - Kwon was Jin, Sun's name was "Paik".

"7. Total cop out on the Walt answer: season 1 clearly built up that he was special, (even warning Locke not to open the hatch, and that was never explained either), but that story was abandoned (most likely due to the actor just getting too old)."
Total cop out?? Lol, You really dont understand the art of story telling do you.

"8. So now when you're spouse dies you go to a nut house? Geez, I'm glad mine is still alive then."
So you don't think people can have a complete mental collapse when someone they love dies?? Holy crap, How old are you? 10?

"9. So if it's that simple, why even bother showing her there at all? What was the point?"
The point was to emphasise that these people were all somehow connected, My god, you are dumb.

"10. Ok, but it seemed rather arbitrary. Were they just making it up as the went along (kind of like the writers of the show)?"
If you think the writers were "making it up as the went along" Then YOU FAIL, The ending(Actually the whole final season) was foreshadowed in the pilot. The cabin I admit is a little shaky, But is it that important? Jacob and Mib could manipulate reality, Sci-fi fantasy....Remember?

"11. How is it not a question asked by the show? His body freaking disappeared IN THE SHOW! I'm pretty sure a dead man can't just get out of a cabin and walk away. So what happened to it? We don't know because the show never told us."
The show didnt NEED to tell us, and his body 'didn't leave the cabin, It was NEVER in the cabin.

"12. Lol, so being exposed to electromagnetism makes you immune to it? Am I the only one realizing how stupid that sounds?"
Youre clearly the only one not realizing how stupid you sound, You are arguing that a sci-fi/fantasy show wasn't based entirely in the real world, LOL.

"13. No I haven't. Would have been nice for that to be answered IN THE SHOW."
Have it answered? What have Lindelof pop up on screen and say "Hey kids this bit is smudging, an ancient ritual used by many cultures to guard from demonic entities" REALLY, You need spoon feeding dont you, Don't forget your bib.

"14. Ok, fair enough."

"15. Really, they weren't bad luck? Try telling that to Hurley. And I'm pretty sure a guy falling off of a tall building wasn't necessary to fulfill Hurley's destiny."
Holy mother of chicken, Bad things happen to people everyday, You think EVERY bad thing was attributable to the numbers? Haha,
Hurley realized he wasn't really cursed when he got the Dharma van to work, Great scene, maybe you should go and watch Lost sometime, You may learn something.
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Any story, even fantasy or sci-fi, needs to have internal coherence and logic based on its own rules. What's weird is accepting anything they throw our way because "it's fiction, who cares".
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Oct 03, 2013
I agree with most of your post but on point 7, the producers themselves have said that they planned to make Walt a much more important part of the story but that he had such a huge growth spurt between the end of season one filming and the start of season two filming that it would have ruined the continuity so they had to change up how they were planning to tell the story.
Also, I do think Lost left more loose endings (or at least endings open to multiple reasonable interpretations) than most shows. That's one of the things I personally liked about it. I felt like a lot of the explanations that were given definitively but not obviously were fun to figure out but not ultimately that fun to think about once they were figured out. (The gunfight with the Black Rock and the source of the foot being two prime examples.)
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Oct 03, 2013
Just to clear things up about the smoke monster: The Man in Black could choose whether he wanted to appear as a human (copying the form of those who died on the island or himself) or as a smoke monster. The mechanical sounds are just the sound he makes, like why birds go tweet or cats go meow (although what the fox says is up for debate....).

I think a lot of your other questions are valid ones, most of which result from dropped storylines. I don't think the writers planned out where they wanted the story to go, and so just tried a bunch of different stuff along the way and dropping what didn't work. However, in any story dealing with supernatural experiences and a detailed mythology there are bound to be some plot holes that are not explainable. For instance, there really is no explanation for the mechanical sounds of the smoke monster other than that's how it is on the island.

For me, LOST's final season and episode answered the big questions I had been asking and gave me closure for the characters I really cared about. I was surprised and satisfied by the finale and felt that it properly tied everything up, which was all I wanted (and hoped for, considering how kooky things were getting....).

Having everybody die in the end is not satisfying, it's a cop out. Yes, the LOST characters were dead in the alternate reality, but - some of them - successfully got off the island in the finale.
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Oct 03, 2013
That's totally fair and I have no problem with that. What bothers me mostly is Lost's defenders who won't acknowledge any unanswered questions and claim that anyone who didn't like it just didn't understand it or weren't paying attention. That's just not true. There are plenty of us who were paying attention, loved the show, and just felt extremely let down by the ending.

I am happy for anyone who liked it, and I wish I could be one of those people too, because I loved the show and obsessed over it for 5 seasons. Unfortunately, though, the whole sideways flashes and number of unanswered questions just left too bad a taste in my mouth to ever love it.
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Oct 04, 2013
I agree with you. I certainly wish some of the questions were answered; I especially think there could have been a really cool explanation of all the Egyptian references in the show. But oh well :\
I have to say, the first time I watched it I also didn't like the sideways flashes. When I rewatched the entire series, though, I appreciated them much more as a kind of fun "what if" scenario with the characters I loved. Even though the flashes didn't really add anything to the story, I still found them enjoyable :)
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Oct 03, 2013
"What bothers me mostly is Lost's defenders who won't acknowledge any unanswered questions"
If people were to nit pick they can find unanswered questions in ANY story EVER told, Lost is no different, BUT its a complete fallacy to say Lost left more than other shows, And considering the grand scope Lost touched upon it a miracle there arent a shed load of unanswered questions.

" and claim that anyone who didn't like it just didn't understand it or weren't paying attention. That's just not true."
I have never said "Anyone who didn't like it just didn't understand it", But I know for a fact that the majority of people that didn't like it, just didn't understand it.

"There are plenty of us who were paying attention, loved the show, and just felt extremely let down by the ending."
Yes, true, and that's fair enough, That's down to personal tastes and expectations, No show in the history of TV will satisfy every single viewer completely. The haters hating on people that loved it is ridiculous.

"I am happy for anyone who liked it, and I wish I could be one of those people too, because I loved the show and obsessed over it for 5 seasons. Unfortunately, though, the whole sideways flashes and number of unanswered questions just left too bad a taste in my mouth to ever love it"
I think we've established that this "Unanswered questions" myth is nonsense, But why would the sideways flashes leave a bad taste in your mouth? I don't get why, They weren't my favourite part of Lost, But why hate them? Without the "Sideways flashes" we wouldn't know what the Island actually is, And why it was SO important.
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Oct 03, 2013
We all agree the #LOST ending was terrible compared to @BreakingBad_AMC, leave @DamonLindelof alone. He knows.
Retweeted by Damon Lindelof

Lol
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Oct 03, 2013
Lost ending is Priceless!
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Oct 03, 2013
Yes, because nobody brought it. :)
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Oct 03, 2013
Whether you like a show or not is normal, To HATE a TV show is ridiculous, And it screams " I cared at one point but got butt hurt about the fact I didn't understand it" True story.

LOST is for me far and away the best TV series of all time, You don't have to agree, But to call me delusional? HAHA, Get a fookin grip son.
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Oct 03, 2013
No, what it screams is, "I loved this show at one point but was massively let down by the stupid conclusion of it." Stop acting like you're so much smarter than everyone else, that everyone who didn't like it didn't get it. That's not true. Most of us who didn't like the ending didn't like it because it sucked, not because we didn't get it.
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Oct 03, 2013
Spot on, I have watched literally hundreds of shows that at some point I stop liking, What did I do? I stopped watching and found something I did like, I didnt go and fill up forums with my cry baby bitching, How pathetic, and full of rage must the muppets be, And lets not even get into the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of whingers didnt even understand LOST.
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Oct 03, 2013
I concur. Seems to me that the only people who have a groan are oft not in a true understand of the story.
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Oct 03, 2013
FACT!
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Oct 03, 2013
If you analyse the 2 finales the structure of both are quite similar, Both focus on 1 guy trying to achieve something, Both men pull a con on the "bad guy", resulting in their enemies death, And during this con both were fatally wounded on the right side of their abdomen, Both shows end with their deaths, And the final image of both are very similar. Vince Gilligan is a Lost fan...NO DOUBT!
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Oct 03, 2013
For me both shows were truly exceptional, and while BB quality was more even throughout its 5 season run, LOST peak was far better than BB's peak, Lost set new benchmarks for TV, Its writing was more cerebral than anything else, The philosophical implications of LOST were mind-blowing.

In my eyes Lost is FAR better than BB.
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Oct 03, 2013
I don't understand why people don't read the question? The question was which FINALE was better? Not which "show" you liked better? Again.......Which FINALE was better?

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Oct 03, 2013
I don't understand why people don't read the question? The question was which FINALE was better? Not which was you liked better? Again.......Which FINALE was better?

If you only watched one of the shows than you are either bias toward or against said show and your opinion is useless since you are not equip to answer this question. The opinions of FANBOYS are equally useless because they can't be objective against their favorite show.

Now having said that, Despite my enjoyment of LOST, BREAKING BAD without a doubt had the better FINALE. To argue otherwise is not truly being honest.
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Oct 03, 2013
So what youre saying is "If we dont agree with you, we are wrong"? GET OVER YOURSELF.
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Oct 04, 2013
No what I'm saying is what I'm saying. If you are a fanboy you have no say because you are bias and can't answer this objectively. The question was about the FINALE, not which series you prefer.
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Oct 04, 2013
I pefer the Lost series as a whole AND the finale, Why cant people accept that some people simply like different things? Breaking Bad was amazing, But no other show has ever come close to giving me what Lost did, Both in terms of emotion and intellectual debate.
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Oct 03, 2013
To try to explain to a Lost fan that the show basically ran off the rails and become one huge convoluted mess with a flash sideways, is like telling the local Mormon at your door that he's wrong "and here's why!" It's pointless and time consuming.
If the ending of lost requires explanation to any seemingly intelligent person it means only one thing- the ending was made-up gibberish! And anyone searching for answers with the Lost ending has too much time on their hands. The reason why there is no definitive end to Lost is because Lost was an experiment in poor story telling- unlike Breaking Bad, which was directed, concise and well executed.
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Oct 03, 2013
Judging a series finale, from an objective standpoint, is pretty hard. I find myself wanting to vote for Breaking Bad because I hated the Lost finale, but I think my emotional connection to Lost left me in a position to where I would have been unhappy with any ending. I loved Lost, watched every episode as it aired on TV, and then watched them again to try to figure out what just happened. I think both shows are pretty great, but I've never had the inclination to strap on a hazmat suit, but I wore my DHARMA jumpsuit every week. Huge emotional connection to Lost. Breaking Bad was just interesting to watch.

So in a poll for which show I love the most it's Lost. I hated the finale for Lost, but I would rather watch that on loop than sit through the predictable Breaking Bad finale again. I would rather be disappointed with a risky ending than coddled with closure.
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Oct 04, 2013
Why did you hate the finale to Lost? Seriously I am interested in understanding your position, Because I loved it, and have found in my discussions on many forums that the vast majority of people that didn't like the Lost finale come into one of these categories.

1.They completely misundertood it, ie They wrongly think "They all died in the crash".
2. They wrongly believe the myth that "They didn't answer questions".
3.They understood the basic plot, But missed many key meanings behind events.
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Oct 05, 2013
Maybe your need to categorize everybody who doesn't agree with your opinion is preventing you from understanding my point? I hated it because it was the ending. I still love the show, and I couldn't write a better ending for Lost if I wanted to.
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Oct 03, 2013
My god, I did not expect to see Lost winning when I voted for it. Anyways, Lost is my hands down favorite show of all time. I will defend it to the death. That being said, I realize Lost had its flaws. On the other hand, I think Breaking Bad is one of (if not) the best made show of all time. If we're going solely on finale, I'll give it to Lost. I've never been so engaged in any type of media than I was with Lost. The mythology was fun, but in the end it was a show about characters. I couldn't care less what exactly the island was at the end of the day. Breaking Bad is technically a better show, sure, but I don't know if I'll ever be so connected to a show as I was with Lost.

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Oct 03, 2013
I could tell you how much my mother's grandmother's nephew Willifred Barnickle III makes per hour but man you would be so envious and go quit your dayjob and become rich, so I will refrain from doing so! Save you the trouble. Oh and Lost.... wait... I lost my train of thought, it's Breaking Bad.
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Oct 03, 2013
Personally I preferred the ending to Lost. As another poster states, I was more connected to the characters and felt the ending was very powerful. I enjoyed the finale to Breaking Bad, but not until the last 25 minutes, I thought the first 30 minutes verged on boring. Also, pretty much everything in the Breaking Bad finale was predicted by the reviewer and posters as the obvious resolution before it aired so it all felt a little routine.
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Oct 03, 2013
I didn't need to read a single prediction to feel bored with the Breaking Bad finale, such a casual ending for a show with so many twists and turns.
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Oct 03, 2013
I am tired of them putting Lost against something that don't have a real chance of winning. BB may be a better show or maybe not. Either way Lost has a better fan base who will vote for it no matter how good the show is. I sent and E-mail Recommending LOST VS BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA. Now that is a match up more in favor of BSG. Put Lost on a pedistal huh... fine with me. Now it can sit a titan and duel another lets see how things fall then. BRING IT LOST FANS THERE IS MORE NERDS THEN YOU.

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Oct 03, 2013
I voted for the Lost finale just because the BB fan were trolling the Dexter episode reviews... You can burn!
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Oct 03, 2013
Good point. Though my first reaction to BB's finale was "meh, it's better than the ending to Lost".
I still to this day regret watching the last episode of lost, but I don't feel the same about breaking bad.
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Oct 03, 2013
Why do you regret watching the end of Lost? Because YOU Failed at understanding it?
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Oct 04, 2013
The answer is yes. We all failed to understand the ending of Lost because we are not as smart as you or your fellow super-wise elitists. The ending was written for Mensa class individuals by some really smart people. We lesser people--baboons as one of you mentioned--cannot possibly understand something this brilliant and philosophical, so you geniuses win. Now go away and leave us in our misery.
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Oct 04, 2013
At least your honest.
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Oct 03, 2013
I was talking about my first reaction. In another post I explain my position on ending in general. I don't see why that warrants an intelligence?

http://www.tv.com/shows/lost/community/post/138065996591/comment/Tim_H:comment:745416da-2d33-bcf2-b38b-ba972299a17d?action_comment_id=Tim_H:comment:745416da-2d33-bcf2-b38b-ba972299a17d
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Oct 05, 2013
It doesn't. I was being ironic...
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Oct 03, 2013
It's pretty obvious looking at the comments that a vast majority of fans correctly are giving it to Breaking Bad. It's equally obvious that the Losties are a pretty cultist group around here and are probably voting for Lost 50x each! LOL
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Oct 03, 2013
Both shows have nothing in common and I loved Lost but IMO Breaking Bad's ending was better.
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Oct 03, 2013
Easily the most nonsense poll ever...
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Oct 03, 2013

Wow, Lost fanboys out in full force. You're all delusional. To compare Lost's ending to Breaking bad is a travesty
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Oct 03, 2013
Out in full force and voting multiple times
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Oct 03, 2013
BB is winning, and maybe you could have a little more respect to people that like something that you don't.
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Oct 03, 2013
Well said!! I couldn't care less which show wins the poll, I think both shows are in the top 4 shows of all time, What I cannot stand is the arrogance among the BB fans, those that simply must hate Lost because its either against THEIR show, They didn't get it, Or they simply didn't like it, Why the lack of respect and hate?
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Oct 03, 2013
As are the BB fanboys, It goes both ways.
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Oct 03, 2013
This pole is seriously Lost if Breaking Bad fails to win! Lost! Give me a break...
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Oct 03, 2013
Lost, only because I was more emotionally connected to the characters (watched it over a longer time span). But if we look t the bigger picture, Breaking Bad had a better finale because it didn't have to go through the mess of a last season like Lost did (Jon Smoke, Heart of the Island, Candidates, cabins, chosen ones, sci-fi over the temple garbage). But in the end, the moment of all the characters of Lost meeting after everything was much more emotional than Walter's end of the journey. Not that his end was bad, 'cause it was seriously awesome, I just wasn't THAT emotionally crazy invested like the moment Sawyer and Juliet remembered, or when Jack entered the church hall and saw everybody, or when he closed his eyes and Vincent lay beside him. Both great finales, Lost was more emotional during the flash sideways, but Breaking Bad delivered what Lost couldn't in its last season - high quality logical consistent storytelling and a true climax.
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Oct 02, 2013
I cannot understand how anyone could not only hate the Lost finale, But also misinterpret it so badly. They WERE NOT dead the whole time, They did NOT leave many unanswered questions, They were NOT making it up as they went along, If you believe They were, They did or they were...Then you fail.
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Oct 03, 2013
Could not have put it better myself. In Lost they were not dead the whole time. I thought Christian Shephard's explanation was really great. He said to Jack, 'everybody dies sometime kiddo'. Everything that happened, happened. The characters all lived their lives and moved on when it was their time. For the purposes of the TV audience, our story started and finished with Jack. Yes there were questions left unanswered but that is what Lost was all about and why Lost will still be considered the best show for a long long time.

I like searching for meaning, and that's exactly what Lost allowed me to do.
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Oct 02, 2013
If you analyse the 2 finales the structure of both are quite similar, Both focus on 1 guy trying to achieve something, Both men pull a con on the "bad guy", resulting in their enemies death, And during this con both were fatally wounded on the right side of their abdomen, Both shows end with their deaths, And the final image of both are very similar. Vince Gilligan is a Lost fan...NO DOUBT!
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Oct 02, 2013
LOST then And LOST now!!! always LOST!!!!
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