TV.com Commenter Shout-Outs: Your Recent Thoughts on Supernatural, the Future of Community, and Shows That Were Canceled Too Soon

Wow, has another week gone by already? So it has. And what a week it was. NBC killed Prime Suspect, you guys! And shelved Community! WHYYYY! (*Runs into bedroom, slams door shut, leaps onto bed and sobs into Dora the Explorer pillow case!*) Which means it’s time to turn over the TV.com mailbag and get our Shout-Outs on. Who’s with me?


In our review of last Friday's Supernatural, "Season 7, Time for a Wedding!" we reacted strongly—and not in a good way—to the return of a certain character whose name rhymes with "hecky." Here are some of the best comments:


castora wished the episode would have broken the fourth wall a little:

The episode was kind of weird. I kept expecting to see the story turn on the spot. What Supernatural has always been good at is showing us something we think we know and understand and then turning it into something different, and more often than not, seriously making fun of the show itself in the process. So I wanted this to turn out to be about more than just a lonely crazy girl. It would have been fun to figure out that Becky's motive for drugging Sam and splitting up the Bro-Team were way more big-picture, and less pathetic I-need-to-impress-my-high-school-classmates. What if it had turned out that she could actually decipher patterns and schemes that the boys could not? Simply because she was NOT a part of the story. At least the original story. It could have been awesmazingly "French Mistake"-ingly interesting to actually have the voice of the audience inserted in the storytelling. We can all see the problems building up, the false security the brothers feel, the chances that they might pass up on, because they are standing too close to the fire.


ChecheEleazar thought the episode just didn’t pull off the comedy:

When Supernatural does very funny episodes ("Bad Day in Black Rock," "Yellow Fever," "Changing Channels," "The French Mistake," etc.), they usually pull it off. This one, I'm sad to say, fell flat for me. Mainly because I loved Becky before (she was hilarious in "The Real Ghostbusters"), but I found her especially annoying this episode. I was like: "Love potion. Really? Was she that desperate?"

The only redeeming qualities of this episode were:
1.) Dean's reaction to the wedding. ("Really? Super fan 99?")
2.) Sam trying to talk with the gag.
3.) Crowley. ("This isn't Wall Street, this is hell. We have a little something called integrity." LOL.)



Now, back to that terrible news about Community. At times like this, we need each other more than ever, guys. Let’s just be there for one another. Let’s do it for Troy and Abed and Annie’s Boobs and Annie's boobs and Kickpuncher 2 and Magnitude and everyone and everything from Community that ever touched our hearts, deep inside, where it counts.


I think this thread sums up the general sentiment...

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mcwilly104 was able to form words, and they were angry words:

This totally sucks. But can we expect better from a network that made Whitney one of the first new pick-ups of the 2011-2012 season? Should we have more faith in the network that greenlit the most awful version of Wonder Woman made to date? Is it surprising to anyone that the network that is still desperately clinging to the shell of former greatness that is The Office is going to cancel something as brilliant as Community? No. NBC is the worst.


TrevPlatt thinks NBC now officially has the worst schedule on TV:

That has got to be the worst line-up on network TV. Why do they promote crap shows (like Whitney) which will probably get ratings anyway from the mindless drones, and yet great shows that need some love from the network (like Community and Prime Suspect) just get left to fend for themselves, often whilst combating against crap time-slots? 30 Rock is the only one I'm excited about from that line-up. I'll give Grimm maybe one or two more episodes but I know I'll give up on it because it's just not good enough; I've practically given up on Harry's Law already (mainly because I didn't like the changes); which leaves The Firm. I'm looking forward to see if this is any good but I'm not holding my breath. Knowing what NBC is like it will probably screw it up spectacularly—which even a couple of Cylons can't fight against!


MarcSilverber directed his comment directly at the programmers of NBC:

If anybody reads this, please make sure the right people see it.

Dear NBC,
Thank you so much for putting Community on hiatus. Your commitment to remaining in fourth place as a network is inspiring. People everywhere should see your model of inadequacy as an example that they truly can be the (fourth) best that they can be. Obviously, I understand the business model—Community is simply too good of a show to be on your network and you need to move it in order to make room for such wonderful programming as The Playboy Club, The Cape, Prime Suspect, Outsourced, Whitney, and the 10pm Jay Leno Show. I have henceforth decided to stop watching all NBC programming, for two reasons: Firstly, I am obviously not a sophisticated enough viewer to understand the fine and complicated plot lines in such terrific shows such as The Marriage Ref and Fear Factor. Secondly, I do not want to invest in any more of your programs, because as soon as I get hooked onto a new and incredibly "ahead of its time" show, you will undoubtedly cancel it, thereby making my day that much better. Parks and Recreation is maybe one of the finest shows on television, as well as 30 Rock, The Sing-Off, Chuck, Up All Night, and Grimm. I have no doubt they will all be gone in one or two years, tops. Perhaps instead of trying to relive the glory days of Seinfeld and Friends, you should observe how other networks are evolving, succeeding, and perhaps take a lesson from them. This would suggest that you are capable of learning from your mistakes, but the last six years of failing miserably at life would be assuming to the point of foolishness.

Thank you again for providing a model that we can all aspire to reach: mediocracy.

P.S. Good job with Conan as well. I'm sure there won't ever be a book published discussing how big of a screw-up that was.



New topic, but not unrelated. We asked another Quick Question this week: Which unjustly canceled shows are you STILL heartbroken over? And we got more than 1,100 responses and counting. 1,100!!! That has to be some kind of record. What’s that? Yes! I’ve just been informed that we've smashed the record for most comments ever on a single TV.com story. So congratulations to Price Peterson, our spiritual shepherd and the post’s author.

I read each and every one and tallied the scores. Here they are (through Friday afternoon or so):

The Biggest TV Cancellation Tragedies in History, as Voted by You, the TV.com Readership

Firefly: 316
Angel: 186
Veronica Mars: 148
Life: 147
Pushing Daisies: 112
Lie To Me: 111
Jericho: 99
Dollhouse: 97
Moonlight: 79
Dark Angel: 68
Human Target: 67
Arrested Development: 66
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: 59
Dead Like Me: 57
Terriers: 50
Reaper: 49
Stargate Universe: 47
Better Off Ted: 46
Wonderfalls: 44
Heroes: 44
The 4400: 43
Deadwood: 42
Carnivale: 40
Party Down: 36
Tru Calling: 35
Journeyman: 31
Farscape: 30
Kyle XY: 31
Caprica: 27
Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip: 27
Rubicon: 27
FlashForward: 25
Lost: 25
John Doe: 24
The Dresden Files: 24
The Good Guys: 22
Gilmore Girls: 22
Twin Peaks: 22
The Unit: 22
Community: 20
Surface: 20
New Amsterdam: 20
Stargate Atlantis: 20
The Gates: 18
Threshold: 18
Roswell: 18
The Event: 18
Invasion: 17
My Name is Earl: 17
The Chicago Code: 17
Samantha Who?: 15
Defying Gravity: 14
Alias: 14
Eli Stone: 14
The Class: 13
Greek: 13
Freaks & Geeks: 13
Law & Order: 13
Dirty Sexy Money: 12
Memphis Beat: 11
The Unsusuals: 10
The Black Donnellys: 10
Reunion: 10
My So Called Life: 9
The Riches: 9
Off the Map: 9
Star Trek: Enterprise: 9
Ugly Betty: 8
Vanished: 8
American Gothic: 8
Men in Trees: 7
The O.C.: 7
Six Degrees: 7
Lone Star: 7
Traveler: 7
The Playboy Club: 6
The Wire: 6
Quantum Leap: 6
Jack and Bobby: 5
The Tick: 5
Aliens in America: 5
Shark: 5
Medium: 5
Space: Above and Beyond: 5
Cold Case: 5
Brothers and Sisters: 5
Cupid ‘98: 5
Wildfire: 4
Robin Hood: 4
The Dead Zone: 4
Raising the Bar: 4
Veritas the Quest: 4
All My Children: 4
Earth 2: 4
Numb3rs: 3
Prime Suspect: 3
Tower Prep: 3
Ghost Whisperer: 3
Brotherhood: 3
Kindred: 3
Titus: 2
Perfect Couples: 2
Young Americans: 2
Lincoln Heights: 2
Secret Diary of a Call Girl: 2
The Embraced: 2
My Own Worst Enemy: 2
One Life to Live: 2
Trauma: 2
Big Shots: 2
Traffic Lights: 1
Miss Guided: 1
HawthoRNe: 1
GvE: 1
Swingtown: 1
The Sarah Silverman Program: 1

*Collapses in a lifeless heap.*


Have an awesome Thanksgiving, everyone! Shout-Outs will return after the holiday.

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I just wanted to point out that, even though I was bummed by its short life, Carnivale was not canceled. The creator(s) had originally planned it as a 2-season story arc. HBO wanted to renew but they declined.
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I still can't get over Moonlight and Angel being cancelled!! And i know its been a while but I'm just not very good at letting things go. It makes me so frustrated thinking about it! They were just great shows and deserved a longer run.
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Although they cancelled Angel, if you ever feel inclined, you can pick up on the story in the pages of a comic book. Just finding out what happened during the battle in the alley should be enough to spark your interest.
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I'm convinced that anyone watching the craptastic Whitney, if they are not mindless, is only watching it because it's after the Office and there is nothing else on at 9:30.



Also NBC sucks.
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Uh, guys, community wasn't canceled :P
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Community is back on December 1st according to NBC website. And breath.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Firefly is unsurprisingly first, but I'm glad to see Angel at #2 on there. I'm a bit sad Shark is so low on the list, considering how fantastically written that show was for a bit of a tongue-in-cheek legal drama, and James Woods was just amazing. That show really needed to run longer.
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I am embarrassed that I forgot Titus.
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Oh my god, totally forgot Titus. Definitely one of the funniest old-style sitcoms I've seen. Absolutely loved that show for the brief 2 seasons it was on the air.
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In a brilliant move Fox cancelled the magnificent Human Target, then, in an equally brilliant move NBC decided Mark Valley needed to be on Harry's Law so they changed it into a typical lawyer show - sans the charm. This kind of brilliant thinking is what keeps us all watching, I'm sure....
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Firefly was a fantastic series with lots of potential! But the tv gods must hate Josh Whedon.
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what about the BBC , like Black Books and Green Wing , or older A bit of Fry and Laurie , or Blackadder
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Black Books and Green Wing are not BBC. Blackadder stopped as the creators chose to and Fry and Laurie stopped as both did not like where BBC wanted the show to go.
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What about Andy Richter Controls the Universe!!!?? Sigh. So many good shows, such crappy networks.
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i still miss Angel and buffy
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Oh maaaan, my "OOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;c" was supposed to be last, closing it off. Now it just looks weird, and is making me look bad.
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I mentioned Rome, Men of a Certain Age, and Brisco County Jr and they aren't included. Wtf? And I know I wasn't the only person to mention them.
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Rome... that was a good one.
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Yay! other people actually remembered Jack and Bobby, I thought that show was good enough to be picked up by another network
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It was a great show. I still remember the truck accident. It was heartbreaking. Such a well written show and had an awesome cast.
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Lie to me was an excellent show, but it got enough episodes to keep it off a worst cancellations in history list, I think.
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it was the 6th show, bro
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it had 49 episodes
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Didn't stop it from being heavily missed, apparently.
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The Unit for sure...was so outraged when it was canceled.



Human Target too!
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Hey...if shows that only got 1 vote are on there where's Greg the Bunny? I said Greg the Bunny dammit! Oh and I totally forgot Titus so it would have had 1 more!!!
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Greg the Bunny!!!! I forgot about that one!
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And "Now And Again" is missing! CBS cancelled it even after it won best new tv series that year. How could you have possibly missed that?! :-P



Also, add one to Journeyman. That was a a show with some great twists that never were allowed to dance.



I'm shocked at the low number for Jericho! Only 99!?!!!



V had some votes for sure! (Including mine)



*Giving Seth a break on some of these, as I had more than a few on my list.*
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Only 40 for 'Carnivale'!? For shame.

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Ahhhh, Jericho that show was so great, as was The 4400, and Arrested Development, and Better Off Ted....Let's hope Community isn't added to this list.
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OH MY GOD!!!! THE 4400. I totally forgot about that show. Totally agree. Why couldn't the have given it 1 more season to finish things properly? Utterly heartbreaking.



On the more cartoony side of heartbreak, X-Men Evolution and dubbed One Piece(They're so slow bringing out dubbed eps of One Piece, it might as well be cancelled. The last time they took a hiatus this long, it lasted 2 years).
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Here's my thoughts:



I don't watch Supernatural all the time.

I love Community, and I think that it will be renewed for a fourth and FINAL season.
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<--- Points to my avatar... I do. LOL
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Surprised V didn't make the list... I know the show had some issues with its second season, but I believe it deserved a third season.
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I liked V, too, but it's ABC's fault, not us viewers. They cut down the episode order from 13 to 10.
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Jesus that's a lot of shows. Good job there Seth!



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I didn't realise how many people want to see Angel again.
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Wow, I didn't even know it was cancelled.... thought it ended on its own accord.
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No, Buffy ended on its own, but Angel was cancelled. One more season to tie things up would have been so great.
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You're right... and that's very odd indeed. Usually when a show is on for that long, it gets a proper ending...
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Naw Angel was actually getting higher ratings every season, and likely would have lasted another couple seasons easily, but there was a very strange set of circumstances that resulted in Fox cancelling the show with only 5 or 6 episodes left in the season, so the writers had to hastily conclude the storylines. The fact that they did it well enough that many didn't even notice it ended prematurely is a testament to Joss Whedon and his team, imo.
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You just made me sad, because I now remembered all the shows that I liked so much and were cancelled. I wish reality tv was never invented......because I believe they are the reason a lot of series get cancelled so quickly.
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Preach on! I avoid watching most reality tv, because I am SO tired of that, when the good shows don't make it. Boycott reality tv!!!
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I absolutely agree. I won't be surprised when one day almost everything on tv is "reality". It's cheaper :/
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The 4400 and Heroes are neck and neck which in my opinion is ridiculous. The 4400 was cancelled too early whereas Heroes was cancelled 2 seasons too late.
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Sadly so true, but the 4400 was a much more lowkey series. I didn't even hear about it until a couple years after it finished, meanwhile you couldn't go 10 minutes without hearing about Heroes during the first season.
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@MarcSilverber, I used to feel the same way about CBS, still dont watch anything CBS affiliated.
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Good for you.
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You left out Broken Badges, one that I mentioned. But it really has become a forgotten show.
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Supernatural is awesome. Way better than any other crap on TV!
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Sigh, you didn't read mine... Profit, I said! ^_^

Impressive though.
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Well I can see my votes on the canceled shows weren't tallied, a few of the shows I voted for are missing. MarcSilverber had me up until he included The Sing-Off. Seriously, you include that kind of show along with P&R and 30 Rock? Not even close.
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That's fair. Regardless, it's all about community.
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Were six people really disappointed to see the Playboy Club go but only one person other than me is still missing Trauma.
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Why is Lost there?
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Yeah it wasn't cancelled, it just ended. They planned to end it that season. They even told you it was the "Final Season" in the promos. It's not like it came as a surprise.
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I agree, I loved the show, but it had to end. Wasn't even cancelled.
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Damn! You really did read ALL the comments in The Biggest TV Cancellation Tragedies, didn't you! LOL
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He didn't... Either than or he skipped a few. I mentioned Breaking In and I don't see it on his list. But, with almost 1300 hundred posts, there are bound to be a few mistakes.
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Yeah there were some things missing, and I think some shows got less votes on here than I think they actually did. (That last part is based on me going through hundreds of comments, and seeing lots of votes for certain things that don't add up to what they scored here.)



I'm sad a couple things weren't included here that were definitely commented on, but damn... If you had to go through all those posts I completely understand the discrepancies.
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That's because Breaking In has been un-cancelled, hasn't it?
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Control- F FTW!
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OMG! I never even knew we could name any other shows!



"Pushing Daisies" is my baby (I have it FOREVER!)

"Caprica" (I cried)

"Dollhouse" (Eliza Dushku needs a show!)

"Better Off Ted" was hilarious and cute and needed more time

"Lie To Me" was really good in the beginning then they dig their own grave

"Samantha Who?" (Why? Why...?!!!)

"FlashForward"s idea was really exciting, they needed more time

"The Chicago Code", "The Unusuals" and "Detroit 187" were so much better shows than "Prime Suspect" !

I loved "Raising the Bar", "Trauma" and "Mercy" and didn't understand the cut.



Most of the other named shows -specially those with the most seasons- lived their time and died in peace.
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Flash Forward was balls and deservedly cancelled. Veronica Mars probably ran its course although it was still enjoyable. Isn't it good when producers don't flog a dead horse (Friends anyone) and finish a show when it is still good and popular?
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The footage shot for Season 4 of Veronica Mars, before they final decision on it's cancellation was made, is proof enough that they could keep it fresh and exciting and funny and awesome, even with having an actual job as a detective. Believe me, VM's cancellation is one of the biggest mistakes the CW ever made,
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Interesting. I expected Firefly to gain a top-slot on this list but not no 1 with almost double the votes of the second position. I guess I am not the only one thinking this cancellation was a shame.

Also nice to see SGU coming in with a decent number of votes but sort of strange to see Enterprise with so few. Well maybe that was just to long ago. Feels like Star Trek ended yesterday though...
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My comment on the article for cancelled TV's was all about SGU because im still mad about that one but after reading this I remembered how sad I was about Space: Above and Beyond and how much i laughed at The Sarah Silverman Program.
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any reason you forgot Legend of the seeker in that list?
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Yes, I did mentioned it too... snif... my nephews really miss it as well LOL!

I think they have over 1.2 K votes... it's getting a bit uncomfortable doing the tally with your fingers LOL!
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I mentioned Legend Of The Seeker too!
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They just put up shows that people said they missed. Did you forget to include it in the list?
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There's so many great shows that get cancelled. It's sad. I really need to find somewhere I can watch Firefly. I hear such amazing things about it.
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Its on DVD i think. Pretty sure I saw it in HMV.
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TV Links is where I wacth everything. Once you click into the site, there's a row down the left, if you click TV Shows and then the letter 'F' on the TV show page, find Firefly and pick your episode, there are a HELLUVA lot of links for every episode. It's free too. Hope it helps, it sure helps me. Especially with Community. And Firefly :-)
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Damn i forgot one i like most of them all Smith it only had 7 ep but it was very good
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its a shame they canned Veronica Mars , but good thing that House of Lies coming to showtime with the beautiful Kristen Bell in January 2012
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What about Mercy??
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I so agree with you.
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woo hoo! pushing daisies is in the top 5 of shows that shouldn't be cancelled
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I am sure there were some votes for 24, wasn't there? Anyway good to see all the shows at the top were the ones that truly deserved to go on. Television is such a cruel place :(
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Oh God. 24 had left itself with nowhere to go. It was the best thing on tv in it's heyday but when Jack escaped being killed in a nuclear blast by hiding behind a tree (or was it a rock) it was time to go!
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Lol firstly I am not saying 24 was unjustly cancelled, it was definitely way past its prime but I was wondering why it was not on the list if this takes "ALL the votes" into account. Also the incident you are referring to occurred in Season 2. 24 was at its best in Seasons 4 and 5.
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And I was expecting a category all its own that read: All Joss Whedon shows: 500
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Community only got 20 votes, but I'm going to assume that's due to the fact that the article was somewhat prompted by that shows benching? So most people just sort of knew that Community was obviously the most tragic loss so far...along with Firefly and Veronica Mars. Personally, I'd have loved a but more Angel, too. I wanted to see more between Angel and Connor, if they would have ever revisited it. And Reaper...my lovely, hilarious, wacky little Reaper.



What NBC, and channels alike, need to do more, is be aware of their online fanbase. The online fanbase is more powerful than the offline fanbase. Let's elaborate:

Offline fanbases are usually maybe too busy for using the internet for searching funny clips from their favorite shows, or news about upcoming plotlines, inteviews with the cast or crew. Maybe they just flat out don't care that much for screentime, and spent most of it just observing a couple of shows a week.

Now, the online fanvase, that's a powerful thing. That is some very passionate people taking time out of their day to appreciate the quality of their shows. They defend their shows like warriors in battle, the quote them WAY too much to be healthy, the Tweet about them, sing about them, they PREACH, they tell even their greates enemies of the gem that is their favorite TV program so that even THEY can appreciate it, and THAT is what NBC is overlooking. The masses that flock to the internet, because let's face it, it's easier to adore a show that way, easier to share your love of one episode, one scene, by writing about it, talking to other peple about it.

Obsessing over it.



Why the blatant disregard, NBC? How many internet uses flock to Whitney's defence? (Pipe down, you three.) Why is it always the greater shows they take off the air? They replace these shows with terrible, awful reality shows (msotly) that are taken off air within three or four months anyway. And then they replace THOSE with reruns of shows everyone's seen to often to care anymore. Then they replace that with glossy new shows that aren't actually GOOD, but they have enough 18 year olds being sexy to bring in young viewes, so what the hell, why not make a buck or two being perverts?



I apologize to anyone who disagrees, but that;s all I see. NBC needs to make a change. This is just ridiculous.



And I apologize to people who don't liek reading comments this long...I'm just letting off steam about the cancellation of Veronica Mars; Firefly, Pushing Dasies; Reaper; Angel: the benching of Cougar Town; Community; the gone-too-soon Chuck...(I know it's still airing, but it's ending too soon.)
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"the gone-too-soon Chuck."



With Morgan as the intersect, this show can't end soon enough. I loved Chuck, but it's TERRIBLE now. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE NBC put it out of its misery. (Of course, since we're dealing with NBC, it will be around for another 4 seasons)
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I gotta disagree. That story is over already, and all it was doing was setting up what's looking more and more like it's set to be a stellar Season. People who gace up after episodes 1, oe 2, or even 3, really missed out on a fantastic episode 4. Seriously, give it another go. It's still got the magic.
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aww no love for two guys, a girl?
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Arrested Development only got 66 mentions? I guess it's because it was too obvious.

I think it's awesome that Life is high on the list... didn't know there were so many people, like I, who loved that show.
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Life was terrific. Damian Lewis and Sarah Shahi made a perfect on-screen couple. Such a shame when a show gets cancelled with so many open questions.
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Sarah Shahi alone made that show worth watching.
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Regarding NBC, didn't the former head of programming who created Heroes actually state that they were aiming for lower-brow programming? And didn't a writer on TV.com once refer to it as the network that tries too hard? Like MarcSilverber suggests, perhaps the network's current pathetic state is the result of not shooting high enough.
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