TV.com Commenter Shout-Outs: Your Recent Thoughts on The Simpsons, Grimm, and Revenge

Welcome to the latest edition of TV.com Commenter Shout-Outs, where we turn to you for what to think, say, and do. This week, you bemoan the state of The Simpsons, debate the merits of Grimm, and get your Revenge on.

Did everyone have a fun Halloween? Because ours was very drunk festive! And what’s Halloween without a new "Treehouse of Horror"? Unfortunately, the quality of The Simpsons’ annual horror anthology has been in steady decline over the years.


jaynashvil is almost ready to give up:

I'm one of those die-hard Simpsons fans who refuses to give up hope, despite the show's best efforts to run me off. Having said that, this year's "Treehouse" was a snore from start to finish. I'm not sure there was a single joke, much less an actual laugh, in the whole episode. It's as if they hired a staff of drama writers to crank out this year's script—now THAT would be funny.


AamesDaniels made a great point about the show's Dexter “parody”:

I found the parody of the Dexter opening amusing and frustrating. I loved seeing the show given a nod, but just when it looked like Ned was doing something terrifying it was revealed he was just going about a daily routine. That's not parody, that's basically what the opening to Dexter is. Parody would be for it to look like he was doing something normal but turn out to be gruesome. Oh well, maybe nitpicky, but to me it was sloppy.


There’s a new drama on network TV, and it’s all about fairy tale characters living among us in the modern world! Except it’s not Once Upon a Time—it’s Grimm, a supernatural police procedural that kind of reminded me of a shortlived SyFy series from the late '90s called G vs E. We thought Grimm's debut showed lots of promise. Here’s what you thought:


GabrielLoki was disappointed by its star, who first found fame as a competitor on MTV’s Road Rules: South Pacific:

I thought it failed on both fronts, character development and procedural. I thought Nick had zero personality. And I was distracted by David Giuntoli's "acting." The show shouldn't have hired someone with only reality TV experience as its lead. As for the procedural part, it could not have been more simplistic or predictable. And it wasn't even scary, they just used a lot of creepy music and lighting to make it seem scary. That opening scene was especially lame. She's jogging, she gets pushed off-camera, she screams. That's it. I thought it had potential to be another Supernatural, but it was a big disappointment.


Katiki is another big Supernatural fan who came away wanting more:

Hey, all you people who have suddenly discovered you like Grimm! Why have you not been watching Supernatural these past six years? It's the much better original. Seriously, watch the Supernatural pilot and compare the two. In Supernatural, the characters are much more compelling, and the scares are genuine and, well, scarier. I think the scene in the pilot when Sam is driving the Impala is the scariest in TV history.


However: Some of you liked Grimm! Like vitakato, for example:

I'm COMPLETELY crazy about this show. I loved it from start to finish. That scene where Nick goes with Eddie to track down the other wolf, and Eddie's driving with his head out the window... CLASSIC. Okay, fine, I know he was trying to pick up on the scent, but come on, dogs always stick their heads out car windows if they can. Awesome. I want more.


Finally, after this week's particularly campy episode of Revenge, we pondered whether the series might be our generation's Dynasty and discussed its introduction of an intriguing gay storyline. The soapy ABC drama is definitely building a rabid fanbase, and here’s what you thought about this week’s episode.


pcsjunior002 broke it down for us:

LOVE this show. So GLAD it got the back nine order. It's just so much fun. And you're right, this episode was fantastic, and it really showed us what Tyler/Tilda Swinton can do as a villain for us.
- Nolan: Progressively sexy gay. Tyler/Tilda: Conniving. I think he would do whatever it takes to get the job done, and right now that involves subverting Emily's plans.
- I think Tyler will use her as much as he can, and again citing my previous statement, I think he will do whatever it takes.
- I don't know if Emily is in love or if it's more of an "I have to use him because he's a means to an end" situation. I would believe in either one. She does seem to care more about him than she would absolutely need to. On the other hand, I think she's got something special planned for Victoria, and using the kids—that's hard core.
- "Dynasty"?? I think you mean "DALLAS"!!!!!!! JR Ewing was the king of conniving.

Good point! (Though Alexis had her moments.)


bluemystique offered a very thoughtful and lengthy comment on the state of gay characters on TV, many of which she feels have become nothing more than two-dimensional labels, as opposed living, breathing human beings with complex psyches:

I didn't see the Tyler and Nolan thing coming but afterwards it made me love Nolan (who is already my favorite character) even more. I don't get it...so...if there weren't any gay characters it would be an issue, but if there are gay characters but they aren't saying officially that they are gay or making out before our eyes it's an issue? I thought it was perfect that the show did it that way. Here's why.

On The Good Wife one of my favorite characters is Kalinda Sharma. Nolan has become a male Kalinda Sharma. They are sexually ambiguous characters who have no problem using their sexuality to get the job done. And yet they seem to do it in a way where you commend them rather than find it demeaning, degrading, or disrespectful. Isn't this what we want now? NO labels? No titles...to just...be? I think we focus too much on labels these days, we've done that for years. They've made a character that everyone can like and relate to and respect without putting a label on him to pigeon-hole him. The point is to not have to focus so much on sexuality in general while still focusing on it.

In the days where gay and lesbian characters are being rammed down our throats on shows in an effort to be edgy and make it statement, more so than to just have decent stories and decent characters, it's great. Glee spends so much time reminding us that it has two gay guys, one closeted gay guy, a bisexual girl, and a lesbian that the show won't just let the characters be. The characters become their sexual orientation rather than well-rounded people. Grey's Anatomy spent an entire season ramming two lesbians down our throats at random moments in an episode just to look cool, rather than making the writing and the characters themselves great characters. Then you have The Good Wife; Kalinda Sharma is one of the most intriguing, enigmatic characters on TV. She sleeps with men, she sleeps with women, sometimes they show a same-sex kiss or sex and sometimes they just allude to it. She does it all in this intelligent, smart, sexy way where she's doing it to both men and women just to get info or a job. When it's all over you don't know if she's gay, straight, bi or just sexually ambiguous, and honestly most fans and the other characters don't bring it up much, acknowledge it, or care, but she's the most fascinating character on the show because she's just that complex.

But wait, there’s more! You can read the rest of bluemystique’s comment here.


That’s it for this week! Again, we always appreciate you taking the time to voice your thoughts on TV.com. We’ll see you here real soon.

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Grimm is getting a lot more attention than it deserves. It does have some potential, but the pilot was awful. I am already ready to walk away from this series. The 1st episode should grab the audience and compared to other series of this genre it fails miserably.



Even this review completely misread Katiki's comments. Katiki didn't walk away from this show with praise, but disappointment. The comments compared Grimm with Supernatural and how it does not do as well with the first episode.



The protagonist is weak, the supporting cast members try too hard, and the plot is nothing special. Cancel it before it takes a small portion of ratings from a better show that needs the Friday night audience.
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Grimm beat out both Fringe and Supernatural this past Friday. It's doing so well that I wouldn't be surprised if NBC decided to move it out of the Friday slot.
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im liking Grimm after the first 2 episodes! just a funny feeling but i think the show is gonna get a little darker yet!!! 2 thumbs up!!
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The problem with Grimm is that the main guy doesn't DO anything. In the first episode, Eddy tracked down the other blutbad. Hank figured out the blutbad was the killer. Hank shot the blutbad. What did Nick, the bleedin' protagonist of the series do? No much. Second episode, not much better. Nick realizes the Rabes (cute anagram) are the abductors. He kinda/sorta/not really convinces the father to help him. The father takes him to where the teens are being held. The mother conveniently falls into a pit made by her son. Nick kinda/sorta/not really does anything in the first two episodes. Okay, Nick is the noob of Grimms. But still... if Buffy, Angel, the Winchesters, Ezekiel Stone, or Fringe Division had been this passive in the first two episodes of their series, they would have been cancelled after two episodes.
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I like Grimm so far but I can understand why people think Supernatural is a better show of the genre - though I do not personally watch it. Anyway, the best new series remains Revenge! This modern saga gets even more complex each week! Damn, I LOVE watching a show without having a clue what will happen next for once!
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Treehouse of horror episodes have always been terrible, I'm not sure why TV.com always makes such a big deal about them.
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I don't know about that. I've never been a Simpsons fan, but I think the Treehouse of Horror parody of The Shining was a great episode.
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Grimm is awesome and the lead actor is pretty good despite his acting origins. The simpsons could have been better, but I liked the Dexter/Flanders scene.
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I'll have to catch Grimm on hulu or something because I don't miss an episode of Supernatural which is just an amazing series from the acting to the directing to the writing. It's always consistent and funny and scary and action-packed. Very few tv series can really compare t Supernatural. I'm actually insulted that Grimm comes on the same day and the same time as Supernatural. Which is why it'll never get my TV rating.
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I watch Supernatural but I liked Grimm not as much as Supernatural of course but it has potential to be good especially relative to alot of the garbage on nbc the last few years.
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Damn straight I liked Grimm! :D
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Yikes! In the Twitter age and Facebook Era, you'd think I'd be able to limit my thoughts to 140 characters or less! Next time, I'll try to keep it short but still precise!LOL!
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I don't understand why people didn't like the simpsons treehouse of horror episode... Yea, It wasn't there best one but it was very funny. The intro and the first 2 parts were great, especially the dexter part. The third 'Avarar' parody was just ok, but not bad.



Grimm pilot established to viewers that this is a different type of series. Although it was (at points) a bid of a snore fest, the last scene of the pilot was excellent. From the gruesome cinematography to the awesome music - It got my attention. The follow-up second episode was an improvement as a whole but, it didn't have the wow factor that you would expect. On and all, Grimm has potential and I will keep watching



Revenge started OK, but as the weeks gone by it got better and better. The last 2 episodes were excellent. It balanced everything out, the flashbacks were actually useful and the story line is really good.
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on the write up for Revenge....(couldn't read the full details)...couldn't agree more!!!
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I think a lot of Supernatural and Fringe fans were expecting--even hoping--to dislike Grimm and wanted to see it fail simply because it was a competitor for the two shows. But it turned out to be a good show and based upon the pilot ratings could actually stick around.
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