TV.com's Weekly Podcast: Totally Tubular! Episode 004 (AUDIO)

Now that it's nearly Halloween, our TV schedules have started to get downright spooky! In this week's episode of Totally Tubular!, Price and Tim (and TV.com editor Jen Trolio) discuss the following hot, hot things:

... TV.com commenter shout-outs! (01:24)

... Y'all torrenting?! (3:46)

... Negative coverage! (05:27)

... The premiere of American Horror Story: Asylum! [SPOILERS] (12:43)

... The Walking Dead's Season 3 premiere! (20:52)

... The Vampire Diaries' Season 4 premiere! (23:57)

... Tim still loves Go On! (26:15)

... The gang remembers Nickelodeon's Are You Afraid of the Dark?! (29:30)

... Plus more! [SPOILERS ABOUND]


Hey! Is there anything YOU want us to chat about next week? Please leave any topics or suggestions in the comments below!




PREVIOUSLY...

Totally Tubular! Podcast 001 – September 28, 2012
Totally Tubular! Podcast 002 – October 6, 2012
Totally Tubular! Podcast 003 – October 17, 2012




STORIES WE TALKED ABOUT/REFERRED TO IN THIS EPISODE

Tim's review of last week's Fringe, "The Recordist"
Tim's most recent (negative) review of Revolution
Price's story from last year about the most WTF moments from American Horror Story's series premiere
Price's photo recap of The Vampire Diaries' Season 4 premiere
Tim's (positive!) review of The Walking Dead's Season 3 premiere
News Briefs: The Walking Dead Dominated the Ratings in Its Return

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Merlin BBC FTW!
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Another great Podcast and I really enjoyed having Jen there to comment. And yes, I did love Human Target so thanks for the mention Tim - your dad is right of course. Being a sports fan especially the NFL there is something about it that I want to mention. When your team makes it to the Super Bowl or World Series and loses, it's not over. In sports, unlike television, it's never over because there's always next year. In TV, when it's over - in most cases, citing Family Guy and Jericho as exceptions - it's over. And the whole thing is a crapshoot, I think Last Resort would flourish in a later timeslot but where it is it just might not make it.



Zombies are the lowest form of supernatural being and I don't get it. But apparently many do and find Zombies entertaining so I don't want to rain on that parade. I think that presently the best show on TV is The Good Wife. It's always well written and well acted and always entertains. Fringe, of course, is something special and will be hard to see go to make room for stuff like Chicago Fire and The Mob Doctor. No matter how good a show is you just can't go back - and don't say Hawaii 5-Oh because it's not even close to the same. TV is just a fickle bitch I guess and it's pretty much as good as it's ever been. So I mourn Human Target as we all mourn our TV losses. Good job guys, and gal...
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Awesome podcast guys! :D



I absolutely love love lovedd Are you Afraid of the Dark when I was a kid...and I'm glad to hear that it's available on youtube haha.



Price: It actually makes me so happy that you appreciate Birtne Oldford. I went to middle school/high school with her and was in ballet classes with her XD I was actually in class with her when she got the callback for Skins :P She's such a sweet girl and I'm so happy that she's doing well (and on a better show than Skins now...)



Tim: love Go On too and LOVE Mr. K



P.S. can we have Lily on the show too? >: I'd love to hear her talk about Once Upon a Time!
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One more torrenting comment: when one of the US networks decides to Americanize a British show, I might torrent the UK version so I can see how badly the US mangled it. I love my USA, but we have a track record for ruining good comedy. The first episode of Coupling (US) {shudder}...I'd rather watch a vice-presidential debate than that.
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The only time I used torrent was when Disney/Buena Vista stopped releasing Boy Meets World DVDs after the first 3 seasons. I felt justified when I couldn't get the episodes any other way. Now all the seasons have been released and I bought every one.



I don't mind negative reviews, but I have a right to give snarky as well as take it. Funny trumps everything, am I right? (Snarky, but not cruel, btw.)
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Thanks for the shoutout! I think you do fantastic reviews, and I like that you occasionally respond to the whiners, occasionally slap them down, but mostly ignore them. Jen, great assigning as well, and if you can't find a reviewer who really loves a show, that reflects on the show more than your options. As for positive/negative reviews, I want to hear both highlights and lowlights. If the choice is midlights and lowlights, then only a fanboi can spin it positive. The only fanboi review I want to read is Price's Teen Wolf - for the sheer entertainment of it.

In other news, I'm an American and I'm all caught up on Downton. That's all I'll say about that.
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Oooh, how is Season 3 so far? We will definitely be covering it when comes to PBS in January; I'm excited to see the Shirley vs. Dame Maggie dynamic.
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Are you afraid of the Dark. Was simply amazing. It always ended with a possible creepy vibe that it could be true. Left you always wondering.
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I'm italian so you cannot really ask me to wait for a year or more for the second season of homeland to come out here you know? so no I don't torrent but I do stream a lot... and I wish foreign viewers, not only foreign broadcasts, had a saying or mattered somehow, you know? you guys should check out Tumblr, it's full of losers like me who watch the same episode from all over the world AT THE SAME TIME! japan, russia, brasil, finland, israel and south africa all tuned in in the middle of the day or in the middle of the NIGHT to watch and comment on the vampire diaries??? I'm just saying, that should count! BTW I'm loving these podcasts... Tim doesn't even seem such a troll ;)
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I'm glad you mentioned negative coverage and were so honest about it. I think you guys are right about covering shows you particularly like and I think I couldn't be positive about something I hate watching either!

I would love to hear more about TVD but I get that if Price is the only one watching it might be hard to squeeze in here..
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I'm so stoked I got a mention! This podcast was the best! I hope all the troll commenters leave our Price and Tim alone when they don't agree with them. Doesn't everyone realise? It's not about whether reviews are positive or negative, it's about whether they're snarky. All good reviews are snarky and I wouldn't have it any other way.



As for torrenting, if hypothetically someone like me in every facet were to be heavily addicted to torrenting, then the fact that this hypothetical person likely lived on the other side of the world to the hypothetical country broadcasting the majority of the hypothetical programs worth watching would contribute to this hypothetical predicament.



And I don't like Go On, I'm happy to absorb some backlash comments from Go On fanatics if anyone's paying attention.
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A (mostly) legal method some Aussies (and I assume other non-USers) use is to buy American iTunes vouchers online and then buy episodes/seasons from the US iTunes store.



You can also use an IP blocking website - eg hidemyass.com - (not actually illegal in Aus) and trick the US websites into letting you watch their stuff :)
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Thanks so much! I can't believe I didn't think of that when it comes to iTunes. I usually buy the Australian gift cards.



Thanks also for the site! It pisses me off when I can't watch my fave shows on The CW or ABC website.
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Thanks for that :)
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I sometimes have to torrent shows because most of them aren't available to Australia or I have to wait for like 6 months before the new seasons of shows or new series come to TV. I'm not patient when it comes to waiting for shows so sometimes I have to resort to an (il)legal way of watching whether it's streaming it on an illegal site (since we don't have Hulu or Netflix here) or torrenting them.
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I'm really digging Tim's comedy recommendations. I started watching Go On and Eagleheart because of him and they are definitely my cup of tea. Thank you, Tim!
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Thank you! Glad you have a weird sense of humor like me!
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I cancelled my dish subscription and switched just so I could watch walking dead on tv instead of online. I don't hate AMC for those ads I think it's hilarious. You know what dish's work around was? Find it online on this pay by episode site and then file some stupid paperwork after the fact to get reimbursed. I bet that would've been really streamlined and would have worked just as well as watching it on TV. Fuck dish. All I ask from my tv provider is that they PROVIDE TV. Then they cancelled Big 10 network, which later got resolved, but then there was some weird thing with ABC. I mean, come on. Enough with the bs already.
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OK, thanks for the clarification on the tiebreaker. I've been waiting for an answer to that one for a long time. However, I do not agree with how you make the choice. I still think, as I've written in the comment section of the Dead Pool article, that the show who gets a full season pick-up after the least number of episodes aired should be the tie-breaker. The choice should not be made based on the order of renewal, because that favours shows that start early in the season. Revolution got a full season pick-up after three episodes, Go On or The New Normal after four. But what if one month later a show got picked-up after only two episodes? That would in my mind be a better achievement than being picked-up after three or four. Favouring shows that start early means that all shows are in practice not eligible to become tie-breakers. Choosing the tiebreaker based only on how many episodes have aired would also go better together with the spirit of the Dead Pool. If points are given based on how many episodes are aired before cancellation, tiebreaker status should also be given based on number of episodes.

I agree with Jen about the negative coverage. I value honesty over ass-kissing. I rather see you write what you actually feel than what you think we want to read. Reviews which obviously pander to the reader are nauseating to read. We can tell when a text is just trying to please us. I think an honest review is better also because it creates discussion. It's fun to read a long thread of people debating passionately over the contents of a review and the episode.
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Why people don't like negative reviews? Well, I think it's simple. You know the feeling you have when someone says you're wrong or that your opinion is incorrect? Everyone experiences it. And the absolute majority (not all) of people will ask for an opinion only to reinforce their own.

When we read a negative review of a show we like ourselves, we get a bit angry, a bit offended, because in a sense the reviewer tells us that we are wrong. And because the critic is in essence an authority, this feeling is strengthened. In the back of our minds we become slightly scared that because the critic is an authority there is a better chance that he's right and we are wrong. Thus we become even more angry, offended and defensive.

Nobody likes this feeling. And when our opinions matches that of the reviewer (especially a critic), be it liking or not liking something, we feel much better because we get recognition from an authority. Being right is a kind of strength. Being wrong, I believe, in our psyche means a weakness and our instinct is to defend ourselves and prove our strength.

Obviously, here we try to be civil, keep our emotions to ourselves (for the most part) and try to prove our point trough logic and argumentation. But the underlying emotion is the same - anger and fear of being wrong - so we try and change the opinion of someone else so we could be right.

Understandably this does not go 100% for everyone (maybe it does, who knows) but I do believe that this is the case with the vast majority of people everywhere. For some people this feeling is very strong and they become very emotional, for others it's more deep and it directs the person but does not affect him/her very strongly.

That is my opinion on why we like reviews that are the same as our opinions, and why we dislike the ones that aren't.
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This is an excellent response! Obviously the fact that different people have different opinions means that a review full of opinions isn't going to please everyone. That's just science! Our goal as the TV.com editorial staff is to write honest reviews of the TV we watch, both as critics AND as fans, and then in those reviews *support* our opinions as a means of starting discussion. I think we can all agree that "This episode was bad because I didn't like it" doesn't help anyone, but "I didn't like this episode because I thought X was weak and I really missed Y" at least gives you an idea of what the writer was thinking.

Regarding who covers what, it's never my intention to ask people to write about shows they end up hating; that's another thing that isn't really fun for anyone. Sometimes I succeed in that and sometimes I fail, but trust me, I take it very seriously--it hurts my feelings when I see commenters attacking writers for not liking an episode. Writers are people too! But of course hindsight is 20/20 and the internet has its trolls.

Anyway, everything's a work in progress, and we are doing our best to bring you thoughtful, smart, funny TV reviews. We will always try to do so in a way that encourages discussion about your favorite shows, and if we write something you don't agree with, hopefully we will do it in a way that you feel like you can respond/challenge our opinions, rather than in a way that just leaves you feeling dumb because your opinion differs from ours. Just like you guys don't want to read negative reviews that say "This episode was bad because I didn't like it," we aren't, uh, particularly inspired by comments that say, "If you don't like it don't watch it!" or "If this writer doesn't like this show then he has no credibility or professionalism." You know?

So, let's all try to be as positive as possible, and when our opinions approach the negative side of things, let's be adults and debate things in a civil, one-big-happy-and-maybe-a-little-endearingly-dysfunctional-family-that-you-love-even-though-you-sometimes-disagree sort of way. K?

xoxoxo <3 you guys more than TV,

Jen
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I fully agree. Obviously, I don't read ALL the reviews, but I think you are doing a rather good job at assigning reviewers to shows.

As much civil as we are, the whole behind-the-scenes-of-our-minds that was my original post, does not disappear. It won't and it shouldn't, but it is still much more healthy to argue in a nice way with arguments behind your statements. As you said, let's try to be civil :)

This whole discussion probably started because of Revolution. I for one, think that show has a lot of potential but is still quite bad. But I watch it and I enjoy it. However, Tim received a lot of negative comments for those reviews. If, for example, the reviewer would be changed now and the reviews would become positive, I (and probably many others) would be as annoyed as the ones that are annoyed right now by the negative reviews, because I honestly think the show is not good. While I don't always agree with reviewers myself, I value their opinion. It would be unfair to force the reviewers to be positive if they don't feel they can.
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Actually the discussion really started before Revolution. I don't know when exactly (well... to put it simple: it's only a question of how many people disagree with the reviewer so rants have probably been there always).... but I think the first time I saw people really hating on reviews in big groups and getting personal was with Price's Dexter reviews in Season 6. There was also a lot of hate on Lily with her True Blood reviews last season when people demanded "fan" reviews and accused her of being a hater and what not.

All these 3 shows have a viewership which is pretty divided with people not enjoying what they see but continuing to watch in hopes of the show getting better because of the premise or earlier good seasons.

So one could argue that the shows themselves already imply a "controversial" critic response and discussion will be very hard and emotional as you will have to deal with more counter opinions. However, as said elsewhere; I go to this site to hear from the opinions of various writers of which I came to respect their opinion or writing style. There are writers, which' articles I don't read even if I watch the show and other writers I really look forward to for every review.

I really think the whole TV.com staff should just do their own thing and don't step down because of negative feedback (which will always be there) because this concept made you popular in the end. If you change your tones, style or interest in shows, there is the danger of superficiality and the loss of actual quality.
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Oh yea.. I remember those Dexter reviews. I was sad to agree with them, but I had to agree.

You're right. TV.com writers should just their thing, it's working.
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No offense to Tim & Price, or any of the other staff writers on this site, but I don't see them as authorities, and even if I did I'm not sure I would feel the way you described. If they disagree with me I love it because then I get to say why they're wrong. It makes for more interesting comments and more lively discussion. I don't feel wrong, I feel elated. Who wants to agree with everyone all the time?
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We can choose our authorities, yes. For most people here a critic is an authority because he/she does reviewing professionally. For you that's not the case.

Where does this joy of saying that the critic was wrong comes from (Not implying that' it's bad or anything)? You mentioned that you don't see them as authorities. Maybe you've come to believe that you understand TV better (Not saying you don't :) ) and thus you feel on an equal ground with the critic and your first instinct is that you are right and they are wrong. Because of that you try to refute their claims and by doing so, you regain the strength that has been challenged (this goes back to what I said in my original post). Since critics were not your authorities in the first place, after you refute their claims, in your psyche you immediately get back to the position of being right (and thus strong). Others, however, might still feel wrong after refuting critics' claims since the critics are authorities. And that's why those commenters might still feel wrong (and thus weak). And this is the negative feeling most people don't like when reading negative reviews of a show they like (e.g. Revolution).

Anyway, that's my theory. And you are right, it's always more fun when not everyone agrees :) Those tiny psychological battles of who's right/wrong (strong/weak) are always fun, especially if you get to feel right afterwards ;)
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Very thoughtful and good written!
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The Tale of the Dead Man's Float STILL makes me question the wisdom of going into the middle of a pool.



The Tale of the Quicksilver got my BFF when I in trouble because we tried to recreate the seance, complete with drawing a doorway on her bedroom wall, except when we realized we didn't have chalk, we used a sharpie. Also, our parents were kind of upset about their seven-year-olds trying to channel Satan or something. Go figure.



Not sure how I feel about aliens on my AHS. Yay butts, though.
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You can see that Price was already thinking about Vampire Diaries, cause he said "Vampire massacring" while talking about The Walking Dead :)
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I think that Price always has TVD on the mind. I don't blame him because I often wonder about the characters and plot developments at random times...
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By the way, a very nice podcast. Keep them coming! :)
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The league reference killed me! Such an underrated show.



I am also a huge fan of Go On and Happy endings. You guys + Jen really nailed it this week.



You should have a weekly Walking dead moment.
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I love Go On! Favorite new show.

And I too can't wait for Happy Endings to come back. Discovered it this past summer and it is one of the most ridiculous and hilarious comedies out there.
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Would be all right if you could watch them over the net, but cant even do that if you live in another country.



So Torrent it is, bet that does not show up on the Nielsen data they use to see how popular a show is!!
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But it doesn't matter, because we don't watch the commercials so we are irrelevant. And even if we did, the products are targeted at Americans and we probably don't have most of them.
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but surely it's not so hard to do a deal with local companies and use their ads instead?
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That's exactly what I thought. But apparently, they don't do that for some reason. Sadly...
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Here the website Terra.com has TV series with local ads, but we get past seasons only, like Desperate Housewives. Besides the streaming doesn't always work well. And it doesn't work in mobile devices like myt tablet. So basically that doesn't work for me.
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Dead Pool: If the canceled shows are ordered by episode count, why is the tie-breaker ordered in chronological order? I don't remember that difference being stated in the original Dead Pool article, so I believe I chose my tie-breaker in mind by episode count. Oh, well. Either way, I'm gonna win!

I torrent. I live in Canada. Go us.

Probably not as much as Muderboy, but I loved Human Target as well. Season 1 more-so, but the series as a whole was pretty great.

Go On is awesome and I'm really liking it. It's fairly rare that an ensemble comedy has no supporting characters that I dislike -- if a sitcom achieves that, it usually becomes a favorite of mine -- and Go On has been able to do that so far. And I agree, Brett Gelman is hilarious.

I used to LOVE Are You Afraid of the Dark? I don't know about the U.S., but Are You? was on ALL the time when I was younger here in Canada. Unfortunately, I don't remember most of it and don't have a favorite episode or story like some others do, but I know I watched it as often as I could. I remember seeing Ross Hull on the Weather Network a few years ago and my mind being blown.

And finally, HAPPY ENDINGS!
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i really need to torrent because im not american and there i no way in hell to watch them unless i torrent them
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I'm from Greece and it is impossible for me to watch US (and even UK) shows. So, the only possible way is torrenting. I don't want to do it, because I know that it's not good for the show (and because it's illegal), but I there is no other way for me to watch the shows that I like.
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I want to know why the UK cannot make good shows, when the US of A seems to have them in abundance!!



its just not fair :(
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Simply not true. There are a lot of really good USA produced shows and they certainly can make the best big budget stuff, (because their budget is way larger) but to say the U.K. has none is ridiculous.



Peep Show, The Office, Spaced, Fawlty Towers

Not to mention some of the best Comedy panel shows around, Have I Got News For You never disapoints me for laughs
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Last year around this Halloween time TeenNick aired a bunch of Are You Afraid of the Dark episodes, I hope they do the same thing this year.
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Talk about what MAKES a good show good! I just want to hear it!!
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I watched Are You Afraid of the Dark religiously as a kid and I still watch it from time to time on youtube. Some of my favorites were forgive me I don't remember the exact names "The Tale of the Quicksilver" with the girl from "Fresh Prince" and another one with Ryan Gosling. But the one that scared the crap out of me was the episode with the girl who worked the nightshift as a candy-striper at hospital with vampires. Genuinely terrifying.
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Just wanted to say I do love these podcasts, so thank you.

I'm from Australia and though I'm not confirming that *I* torrent things, just about every person I know either downloads illegally or copies from someone else's illegal downloads. Our local network channels are seeing huge drops in audiences for imported shows unless they show them within about 48 hours of the US/UK broadcast. Until a few years ago it was normal for us not to get shows for months if not years after the original broadcasting, but that's just not working anymore. Unfortunately for networks this also causes issues with the southern hemisphere having a different summer and therefore different ratings periods.

Cable is generally pretty good at importing shows quickly enough to hold the audience, but having pay-tv is much less common here than in the States.

We also haven't got much in the way of legal options for online streaming because we lack Netflix/Hulu etc.
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It's just not worth paying 40 bucks to Foxtel per month for cable.
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Torrenting: I am from Estonia and I used to torrent like crazy because it is really fast and comfortable, no one there cares if you do it. Plus I do not want to wait until the shows I love catch up with the new seasons.

But now I study in the UK and surprisingly enough the legality of it all is not my main concern.. the internet speed is terrible! I can only do it during night times. So now I torrent only the shows I really like. I am all for torrenting as long as you do it for your own sake. Especially if there is no other way to see them :/
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Tiebreakers: Go On had aired an episode more than Revolution when they both got a full season. So shouldn't Revolution count as a better tiebreaker than Go On?

Torrents: Most of the shows are eventually shown here (in Sweden), but we don't like to wait for them. (We're often a year behind). Also, by downloading them, we can watch the episodes whenever we want, without commercial breaks, and often with better video quality than we can get from a TV broadcast. (Not all TV channels here have 720p broadcasts).

I would actually *like* to pay for the shows I watch, or at least the ones I really appreciate. But for some reason the networks continue to refuse to give us that option. When are they going to figure out that they can't stop us from downloading things illegally, and that the only thing they can do about it is to provide legal download options that are as good or better as the illegal ones? (When I download music, I pay for it because they're *allowing* me to do that).
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Here in Brazil we get some shows, but even then we have to subscribe for expensive cable services even to watch network shows like The Big Bang Theory.
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are you afraid of the dark scared the SHIT out of me when i was a kid. and i was really young when that came out cuz i was born in '93 but i do remember watching it and being legitimately frightened. i grew up in canada so it aired longer there than in america, and it was filmed in canada so it was pretty popular
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lol the vampire diaries books are NUTS but i loved them. At least, until LJ Smith was fired and replaced with a ghost writer.. Anyway, Elena turns into a vampire in the first book, and then she dies again and comes back as an angel and has special powers and stuff.
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Maybe you should have put the word SPOILER before saying what occurs in the books. Some people here probably haven't read them yet.
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Most of us torrenters are foreigners. Not just the canadians. I'm a Pakistani.

And Human target was AWESOME. God i wish that by some miracle, it comes back.
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Lithuanian here. No other way to watch TV. Some shows do come here, but they come here two years or a year later if at all and even then I have to watch them with Lithuanian translation over the dialogue...
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Brazilian and big torrent fan. I have a Pirate Bay app for my Galaxy Tab and it works beautifully. Unfortunately we get no other practical option to follow our favorite shows.
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Went back to the 1st podcast to see if there was any way to download it, and the link is completely missing now. :( It's not at Soundcloud either. Is there any way to get the 1st 'cast?
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Same problem I'm experiencing here, maybe I wasn't quick enough to download it.
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