Weeds' Series Finale: The Botwins Come Full Circle

Weeds S08E12: “It’s Time”

When we finally said goodbye to Showtime’s comedy stalwart, Weeds, an indeterminate amount of time had passed since Nancy’s sojourn to Regrestic. Enough years had gone by that Stevie Ray Botwin—now Stevie Ray Bloom—had entered middle school, Nancy had been married and widowed yet again, having hooked up with that hot rabbi after all, Silas and Megan had tied the knot and popped out the aptly named baby Flora, and marijuana had been legalized, creating a sort of stoner utopia where Nancy’s weed bakeries flourish out in the open. Sucks to be Shane, who chose his cop career over the family business and soon found himself struggling for work in the world of legal weed.

While Weeds is no stranger to random time shifts, and it certainly would have felt rushed to neatly wrap up the explosive destruction of Andy and Nancy’s relationship after last week’s awkward sidewalk sex, the obvious problem with such a drastic jump is that suddenly, even stories that were at an acceptable “end” had new and interesting beginnings. Had we never seen Silas and Megan again, or only been given a glance of the duo on another date, I think we could have easily assumed that they would probably eventually live happily ever after—or whatever the Weeds equivalent of that is. By introducing their daughter, Flora, and the antagonistic relationship between Megan and Nancy, a new storyline was introduced that required investment. Weeds, seemingly aware of this problem, attempted to handwave the conflict while simultaneously closing Silas’s storyline once and for all when Nancy asked him to make his wife be nice to her and he essentially refused. His life no longer revolved around making sure Nancy was happy.

Season 8 seemed to lead with the idea that by the end of this journey, Nancy actually WOULD be happy. First through her determination to be a law-abiding citizen and mother-of-the-year candidate, and then through her acceptance of herself and what she excelled at: selling weed. And yet, by the time we got to the closing shot of our five original cast members contemplating life on the back porch while Rilo Kiley’s “With Arms Outstretched” (excellent song choice, Weeds!) played in the background, Nancy’s trip ended largely where it began. Despite being surrounded by friends and family, many of whom seemed reluctantly tethered to her by some invisible length of chain, she was alone. She made the decision to sell her chain of “Good Seed” cafes to Starbucks, eliminating her place in day-to-day operations. She was once again estranged from her sister Jill. Despite her supposed best efforts to be a good mother to Stevie, he was desperate to go to a boarding school halfway across the country so that he wouldn’t “learn to hate” his mother. Andy made a clean break after the sidewalk sex, returning to Ren Mar, reclaiming Bubbie’s house, opening a restaurant, and starting a family of his own. And Shane? It seemed that Shane would finally get to move to Pittsburgh... by agreeing to check into a mental health and drug rehab facility.

I spent a lot of the finale feeling really bad for Shane, actually. His mentally disturbed antics were largely played for naughty laughs during the course of the series’ run, but at no point during the finale was anything about Shane’s current life fun. Way to kill the good vibes, Weeds.

As frustrating as the uneven tone of the finale was, in a way it was a fitting exit for a series that was infamously uneven for a good portion of its run, especially anything after, say, after Season 5. That’s not to say that those latter seasons were terrible and we all wasted our time for sticking around. I don’t mean that at all. In a way, it’s like the The Godfather trilogy. The first two films were flawless, the third one, not so much; but you still need the third one to tell the entire Corleone story. Both Nancy Botwin and Michael Corleone end up alone with their empires and much like Michael’s temperamental relationship with Kay Adams, Nancy and Andy didn’t fully reconcile, either. And honestly, that's probably for the best.

Everything Nancy knew about Andy’s life in Ren Mar, she learned through Silas, the only Botwin who seemed to still be in contact with him. When Andy RSVP’d to Nancy’s Bar Mitzvah invitation, he did so through Silas. It was implied that Silas had been to Andy’s home in Ren Mar and knew his new family quite well. Maybe Stevie is onto something considering that the two characters who had the least contact with Nancy during the time between “God Willing and the Creek Don’t Rise” and “It’s Time” were the two who seemed to have the most stable and fulfilling lives.

There’s the rub, right? Nancy’s series-long trip came full circle when her desperation to keep Andy in her life overshadowed the happiness he found without her... and Andy’s growth was finally confirmed when, despite her insane offers and pleas, he turned her down and went back to his family in California. It reflected Silas’s refusal to “make” Megan like Nancy and Stevie’s determination to go to school out of state. Perhaps even Nancy herself finally realized where her efforts had gone wrong, intervening in Shane’s messy life and pushing him toward rehab, but still removing her active presence by floating the idea of sending him to rehab in Pittsburgh. Control-freak Nancy has realized that there are certain things that, perhaps, grow better without her constant fussing, and we may have Josh Wilson, son of Guru Doug, to thank for that.

After repeated kidnappings by Doug’s cult in an effort to force a reconciliation between father and son, Doug and Josh eventually did reach an understanding, and while waiting for a taxi to rescue him from his latest abduction, Josh and Nancy caught up on each others’ lives. Despite his problematic teenage years, Josh turned out just fine: married to an artist, living in Brooklyn, thinking about having kids. An amazed Nancy asked him how he turned out so great and while Josh laid a lot of praise on his own mother, he concluded with, “Sometimes you just get lucky.”

Nancy and her brood could be in far worse shape than what we left them in, and frankly, the alternate future of legalized weed that Weeds presented us with probably had a lot to do with that, essentially turning Nancy’s business legitimate overnight. It was a very, VERY lucky break. But in her personal life, as isolated as she seemed in that final scene, Nancy has still had many lucky breaks. Theoretically, all three of her children should have ended up as massive headcases, but of the three, two of them are pretty stable, all things considered. Luck has been the thread that weaves through Nancy’s story for the past eight seasons, motivating the flight from Esteban when it appeared (even to her family) that it was starting to run out. Luck was often observed by her peers, like Conrad and Guillermo, and spoken of like it was just another one of Nancy’s traits, as obvious as her hair color. Luck has enabled Nancy to get away with quite a lot in the past and there’s no reason to think that it won’t continue to smile upon her in the future.

And even Nancy seems to be aware of this: Her posture in our final shot of her, surrounded by her scattered family, was one full of calm and acceptance. This is where Nancy’s parallel with Michael Corleone diverges and returns to a story that is all her own: Where his isolation is a symbol of his defeat, hers is one of victory. She may be alone, but she certainly isn’t lonely.


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– Two words: Shane’s porn-stache.

– No Celia? Not even a mention? Boo.

– Stevie’s discovery of Esteban’s true career actually went a lot smoother than I thought it would, botched Bar Mitzvah and everything. How do we think his future will play out?

– Tim Scottson (yes, THAT Tim Scottson) ended up becoming Nancy’s personal assistant? Okay. I mean, I guess that works in a twisted sort of way. Any theories as to how THAT happened?

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Great! Back to Agrestic...errr...Regrestic. Wait, What!!! We're not being renewed!!! CRAP!!! WE NEED AN ENDING!!!!
I kept waiting, and waiting for the finale (which I couldn't accept was the end until it actually did end) to JUMP back into the storyline back in Regrestic to start filling us in on how things got to the point of this large afterbirth of an ending.
I truly loved this whole show. Needless to say (but I will anyway) I, like most others that have posted, am supremely disappointed with with the handling of the finale.
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They should've at least had Conrad show up for the final scene. He got dragged into alot of Nancy's bullshit along the way. He too deserves that joint, Oh and perhaps Doug could've used a match stick instead of a lighter there to harness the purity of that joint.



Finale almost had me in tears and oh my gosh what is that SONG THAT PLAYS IN THE END SCENE!?!
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First off, Shane and Silas' facial hair was horrible and creepy. Silas looked like Michael Jackson with that pube infested attempt at a "beard". I guess that was an attempt to make it look like the characters aged 10 years?



Speaking of 10 years, flashing forward 10 years was a throw-away, cheesy end to the series. I would have enjoyed an ending with a cliche "it was all a dream" series ender where Nancy wakes up from a coma from the sniper's bullet. Of course surviving the whole shot to the head was quickly explained away in cartoonish form like the rest of the last 3 seasons.



Much like a 700 page book that was great for the first 500 pages, yet bad for the last 200, I really did not enjoy the last 3 seasons of this show, but yet felt compelled to finish it out. The last episode was trite and could have been the finale of a show like Seventh Heaven, not Weeds. Even the ending scene was cheap in its attempt to garner emotion. Ugh. This finale made even the finale to The Sopranos look good.
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You do realize it's a comedy right dumba**? They don't explain everything perfectly but Nancy got away with most of it and i don't see complaints about that. And Silas' beard looks good. I know you can't tell because the only beard you know of is your own pubey one which your mother says makes you a man but until you've stopped breastfeeding, i don't see that happening anytime soon :)
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Boy that was nice of your mom to let you use the internet past your 8:45 bedtime for once. Come back and provide some substantive analysis after you finish your 7th grade English book report. Otherwise you are grounded until further notice.
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more than anything, when I first turned my tv to the season finale. I was hoping and even praying that what I was seeing was a dream but the more I watch the more I realized everything was being confirmed that this was going to be the last episode of weeds. I was very disappointed nonetheless seeing as how I look forward to watching the show, and more disappointed at what happened to shane, he quickly became my favorite character after he killed Pilar. They shouldn't have done that too his character; he was a bright kid; smart, fearful, and quick witted but I guess all of the botwins couldn't have been successful. Farewell weeds
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I agree but at least he's planning on getting better. I think he'll be fine once he gets away from Nancy. :P he's spent too much time trying to win her attention...
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Wow. What a waste of a series. I wanted to cry so bad, because this was the last episode of a series I watched from beginning to end, and also because I have been drinking and I usually get emotional while doing so. But really?! The final shot just told me "Weed brings people together!" Duh, I already knew that. That is why I am not so close with my family, except a younger sister of mine, because we smoke. Good for Andy, finding his own happiness without Nancy. Wished for so much this episode, but all I kept thinking was What The Fudge? Also, minus all points for not having Celia.
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i only saw the 1st 3 yrs and the kd was still a kid...i can't wait to watch the rest of the series..i loved it,but i had to cut a few things a this was one...nice to have it to look forward to...
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left me wondering if i'd rather the show end with Season 7 and the viewer have to guess whether or not nancy died.



loved the time jump idea...hated the execution. what a joke of a final scene, too. like...were they breaking the fourth wall? couldn't even tell
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The final scene was good fool. It's closure. your opinions are a joke.
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Haha, Jesus. Tell me how you really feel. But no... The writing of this episode was the joke.
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I absolutely LOVED the finale. And that is all I came to say, basically.
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didn't like the doug storyline at all this entire season and especially the finale. jump to the future was surprising but did help to bring meaningful closure to the series. I think Andy should ease up some - it is not Nancy's fault for not feeling the way he wants her to feel about him. But it was nice his character did show up and encourage Nancy to go out and be the person she always wanted to be. I was happy for Silas and Megan - I still remember being upset when their relationship broke up way back at the beginning of the series. I will just have to believe Shane will get his act back together. The ending shot of the core group coming together was very nice.
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Show should have ended after season 3 because the writers clearly ran out of creativity and ideas. Seasons 4 and 5 were just horrible and I regret watching them. The Series finale was equally horrible.
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Thanks MaryAnn for your Weeds reviews this last year. It's a testament to Weeds that I've kept watching despite the fact that I haven't enjoyed these last two seasons, and much of Season 5. I definitely wouldn't have watched Season 9. All in all I have to say that the biggest issue I've had with Weeds was the annoying ambiguous cliffhangers that ended the latter seasons when they weren't sure if they'd be renewed. For me the season finales in the latter seasons detracted from the show. While I miss the old days of Weeds being more character driven without each character having segregated, crazy plot-driven subplots it was never unwatchable. The series finale was good but not great.
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It wasn't awful, but could have been better - not sure how though. I enjoyed Stevie's story the best, then Silas, and Andy's was nice although a bit boring. Doug's story was a little over-the-top IMO - I could see it happening with him, just tried too hard to be funny. I'm also disappointed not seeing Celia, but I don't blame the show if it was a scheduling problem(?)
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I loved that the irreverance was still intact. And the special touch of the "deaf girl" who refused to be manipulated by the SJP character's charm which was all smoke and mirrors, So telling of our time (can I spin BS or what?)I l
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I loved the series finale and thought it was a perfect ending.
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I loved that the ending song to the series was the ending song of the pilot.
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HATED THE FINALE. IT WAS PURE MISERY. WHAT A SHAME. USED TO BE MY FAVE SHOW. @ SONIA I AGREE. JACKED UP.
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Love this show. Wasn't quite satisfied with the end though. And I've missed Celia for several seasons now....
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Was it just me, or did Silas' top teeth look too big? Have they always been that way?
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Yes they have... Since he fixed his teeth after seasons 3 or 4. They used to be crooked and now they look oversized.
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The finale was better than I thought it would be. The gap in time worked really well to bring us back to earth, where for the first time (and yet somehow logically) Nancy was just a mom whose work is basically done and who is afraid to take the next step. I don't mind the roads the characters took (although the Doug thing is a biiiiiig stretch). Christo writes that the gap removed us from the characters, but to me that was quite a welcome nudge. In any case, with 2 brilliant seasons, 3 good-to-average ones and 3 avearge-to-ho-hum, I bid a fond farewell to Weeds and a wonderful complex character of Nancy. I suspect I'll be re-watching it in not so distant future. Now, onward and upward for Mary-Louise Parker!
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I really liked the finale. As my husband put it - They didn't meet up to go off to heaven (he's still bitter about investing in 6 seasons of Lost)



Laugh out loud moments:

- The kidnappings - I really thought he was sending flowers...

- Isabel has a penis now.

- "Shane once killed a woman"

- Little Asian girl with the lesbian mum's questioning her Judaism after Stevie's speech

- Shane shooting the birthday cake.
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it wasnt shooting the birthday cake that was hilarious, it was the 'you're lucky i'm Russian' comment
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Yep that had me in stitches too!!!!
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This review highlights some very true and important facts about the series finale. The only problem is, the viewer is so caught off-guard by these "new" characters, that we don't really care about the finer points the writers tried to bring home. These were not the characters we invested in for 8 seasons. They were strangers, an unfortunate after-effect of jumping ahead ten years. And that negates all the good that could have been, making this series finale empty, dull and utterly disppointing. The viewer can't help but feel betrayed by the writers and creator of this show - bad on you guys, you short changed us!
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I'm with everyone else. No Celia?! It was nice Nancy turned out successful but I think the series would have ended better if she finally did get caught up so deep she was killed or died somehow.
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Did anyone notice the symbolism in the last scene? On the right side of the porch, you have Andy, who's just finished explaining to Nancy that he's satisfied with his life. You also have Silas, also happy, with a child. He also mentions that he holds no resentment for Nancy, even with all of the shit she's put him through. Now on the left, you have Doug. Doug finally made things right with his son, but is he saved? No. In his own words, he "fucked up" and still needs some fixing. Shane does as well, willing to turn a new leaf and go to rehab. And where's Nancy? Of course, she's in the middle of it all, still trying to balance it all. She desires to be happy, like Silas and Andy. But we all know she still needs fixing, like Doug and her son. Overall, the final scene plays like one big fucked-up family reunion. Still after all this time "doing the best they can".
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It was OK (Nice future BTW) but like MaryAnn said earlier in the review: "As frustrating as the uneven tone of the finale was, in a way it was a fitting exit for a series that was infamously uneven for a good portion of its run, especially anything after, say, after Season 5" I agree completely. The show went downhill after Season 5. It was a great show but I think it stayed too long but whatever now it's over and even though the past 3 seasons weren't the best I'll still miss it!.
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I actually iiked the series finale it brought believable closure to all the characters. Shane was one of my fav characters but what did you expect Shanes future was gonna turn out like? His father died in front of him, became schizophrenic for quite some time, killed Pilar.... The kid was bound to turn up being a messed up adult. great ending, would have loved to have seen Celia Hodes though, preferably as a huge drug king-pin.
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This season killed Shanes character. Wish they would have gone through a different path with him, really disappointing.
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I've figured out why I hated this finale: MaryAnn. It is all MaryAnn's fault for setting expectations so high just two days before the finale. She went back and dug up 20 of the most memorable moments from the last 8 years that have been a trademark of this show and the double-length finale contained NOT ONE of those types of moments. This could have been the finale of "Brothers & Sisters" or "Parenthood" or any random show about a family. Still annoyed, but now I have someone to blame, so that's good.
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greatest last episode!makes you love Nancy even more...and yes she made mistakes but found her peace.and she was always there for everyone.i was thrilled with the last scene.such a touching episode.loooved it.i'll definetely miss weeds!!!
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Ill say it over and over again: no Celia? The whole episode left me with mixed emotions. The jump forward was fitting and unsetteling at the same time. Each of the story lines left me wanting more with no sense of closure.

I was glad that Silas ended up with Megan but I echoed Nancy's sentiment of make her be nice. I was glad Andy found happiness but dissapointed I didn't get to see it fist hand. And while I said last week Nancy needs to be alone I now want to know what is going to drive her and what she will do after selling her company.

There were so many parellels to season one: Nancy's PTA speech and Andy making breakfast as a surprise. And my head is spinning realizing that Nancy has been widowed 3 times now (4 if she had married Esteban, I can't remember). Loved seeing Josh come back (particularly as a fan of shameless). And I laughed out loud that Isabel became Bruce. But it really felt like a hole in the show with no Celia, particularly after the way they left her story
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I think Tim probably started out trying to make amens for the attempt on Nancy's life before getting sucked into the Nancy vortex much the same way Andy was in season 1, essentially becoming her replaccement Andy.
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Well, I'm definitely going to miss this show. Say what you will, but it was always full of surprises. Unlike most, I didn't think it went off the rails after season 3 or 4 or 5 or whichever random point all the whiners chose to begin complaining about nothing. I just thought it followed it's own flights of fancy to their highly illogical and entertaining conclusions, and I am really going to miss that. No other show gave me that. And I'm really going to miss the characters. I could watch 10 more seasons. I can't wait to see what Jenji Kohan comes up with next.
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I was happy with the finale. It really felt edgy and not quite what I expected, which is basically what the entire series has done. I liked the ending, it fitted. It felt right. Though it says a lot that after eight seasons and 102 episodes, I'm not the least bit sad that the series is over. It really was time.
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Am i the only one who was happy Nancy lived through it all but also secretly wished/always thought the end of this show would be with her death. The half hearted attempt at whats going on 5-8 years in the future really was a mix bag of the good and the bad of why weeds has overstayed its run. The most disappointing thing about this episode was the lack of focus. It really just seemed to just jump to a "Weeds Comedic moment" then straight to a "we had 8 season's but gonna wrap it up in this one talk resolving conversation" moment. And we got like 5-10 minuets about Doug? I mean come on a two bit scam-man who's always been a background character takes up time that could've been used in that widely depressing and disappointing conversation between Nancy and Shane. Shane's final moments were lacking the finale quality that Nancy and Sila's little talk had and left Shane's character yet again as the back burner son now even pushed farther behind his younger brother.



I had hoped for a funeral scene in this episode, and what i got instead was the leftovers from a wake after everyone's gone and there's no one to talk to about you're lost loved one.
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This finale left me basically annoyed.
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Im sorta indifferent towards this episode, I liked the ending scene and im glad Andy didnt go running back to Nancy, but there was almost no closure in this episode. I liked seeing the characters in the future seeing all of them survive was cool I remember thinking that Nancy was going to die when this series is near its end. Future Stevie was great to in all of his Half Jewish, Half Mexican prince of the drug dealers glory. Although where is Celia she is apart of this shows charm, it would've been good to see her 1 last time.
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mixed emotinos about series finale here:

liked very much that we have seen past faces ( Dean and gang), but yeah like many very sad that no Celia or her daughter!!!!

was happy for Silas and Andy to get away from Nancy and find happines...we all know how they were,when they were around Nancy and wanting to please her...she is unable to be pleased for long time and those around pay the price,if they know it or no,is another question....but Silas and Andy finally got it.

too bad for Shane, but Mitch(think it is his name,I mean detective) was good mentor for Shane...they just both got screwed and what else can they do,but to give in to drink

personally Doug's story did no big effect on me........did laugh on part,when he called Jesus False Prophet:D

Nancy got "too good" ending.....here is where it is mixed emotions for finale...in a way,I want her to have happy ending and on other...



As for Tim Scottson becoming her assistant is very simple....she felt guilty when they arrested him, he already forgiven her for his father's death and think Shane got his " satisfaction" for sending him to jail....if he wanted him dead,he would've killed him instead of jail....





the whole time jump thing.....yeah it is kinda silly what I will say,but will say it anyway:



only Stevie changed in those years,huh?:D





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Really liked it. I also wasn't expecting for a time jump, but i'm glad they did it. Everything was very probable of happening (in a universe where marijuana is legalized and all) and the storylines that were created (Shane's problems, Megan hating Nancy) seem to be possible of being resolved with time.



All in all, a great close to a crazy series. I was expecting something a lot darker, but i'm really glad they went with this one, instead.
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I was fine with it. Every emotional. I liked it as a whole. I was ready for the show to go, but I didnt see the time jump coming, but very happy it did so we could get a glimpse of all their lives in the future. Very Six Feet Under without going overboard.
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I kept waiting for a fade-to-black, with Nancy waking up in a coma... or finding out she died... or something. The flash-forward was just a LOT more than I was expecting, no to mention how surreal her situation was (financial success, everyone showing up).

Also, no Celia? BOO!
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I was totally disgusted with the ending. I know Nancy wasn't the best mom on the planet, but she did what she thought was right at the time. Now I will always remember her broken and crumpled on the floor, filled with regret. Her and Andy should have been together. It was totally depressing. Shane's a train wreck, Silas' wife is a total witch to Nancy, it was aweful. Not at all what I expected. I think an alternate ending should be made. not gonna happen, but seriously...totally boo on the ending. Not at all how I wanted to remember Weeds.
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