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    LaceyHart

    [1]May 4, 2008
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    NBC using models for game shows too much?


    Does anyone think the eye candy is getting out of hand? It seems that almost every game show I see now has models dressed up scantily clad, with push up bras and short skirts exuding sex appeal.
    Is it now MEN'S television? ...come on.....50% of the viewers are women.....

    Women shouldn't have to "not mind" it or tolerate it by looking the other way. They should be able to enjoy tv shows and not feel uneasy about public television game shows. There is "SPIKE" tv for chauvanistic tv and for males viewing pleasure.

    Maybe just either dont have excessive amounts of female eye candy, or ....here's a thought, make it equal and have male eye candy for the female viewers as well. Sometimes women enjoy looking at sexy men. Why can't they be in tight tank tops, showing their biceps and pecks? Why don't we ever see that, and only sexy women? I feel that is unfair and sexist.

    The only show I can think of that doesn't have sexy models is "Family Feud" LOL

    and there are shows like Wheel of Fortune that aren't sexist in my opinion.
    Vanna White is dressed like a lady and wears evening gowns looking very elegant.

    But one show that I think is totally sexist, has uneccessary provacatively dressed models, and that I don't watch because of it is "Deal or No Deal" http://www.nbc.com/Deal_or_No_Deal/playwin/dondregister.shtml

    Is this a TV game show, or a competition for Playboy Magazine? Their advertisement shows 3 women wearing tight clothes showing a huge amount of cleavage. Then 3 other featured models with quotes "meet the models" "meet the upcoming models"

    It doesn't look like a tv show, it looks like an adult modeling agency or dating service that has a game show on the side. Anyone kinda turned off by this sex sells image when it comes to family game shows? I know sex sells a lot and probably more so for men. But it doesn't sell me. I love game shows, but I don't watch this one cause of the objectification of women. I thought families liked to sit around and watch these type shows? Since when does family and sexy models go together?

    Here is another show that I can't bring myself to watch. When it debuted, once again it was hard for me to focus on the game because they had what appeared to be go-go dancers wearing bikini tops, and short skirts. http://www.nbc.com/The_Singing_Bee/

    I read that there were complaints. Viewers felt it was not only unappropriate the way they were dressed but also the way they were dancing. Hello.....we aren't in an 18+ club with go-go dancers in cages. It's a game show that families watch. Do we have to bring sexuality into everything?

    The "interview with the honeybees" video made my boobs hurt just watching it. The tight skimpy outfits are so clearly meant to "enhance" their figure. The woman on the left looked like her boobs were squeezed together so hard that they were going to pop out and hit the girl next to her giving her a black eye. Does anyone that watches that video actually look at her FACE? .....I was too distracted myself. I just wouldn't feel comfortable and dont think others would either watching that show....especially say, with your 7 year old daughter. When the girls are dressed like NFL cheerleaders which are known for being over the top sexy, go-go dancers, or people say they look like "Hooters girls"....I think people will agree....its a bit MUCH.

    http://www.nbc.com/The_Singing_Bee/photos/#cat=308&sec=959&mea=24606

    any shorter of a skirt on honey bee"Ferly", and you can see her Kootch. Great example for young girls....as you can see on the website, there is praise from the men (of course DUH, cause its a "mans world" and the pervs need tending) and then there are complaints from the women saying the "bees" look like hooters girls with too short of skirts.

    Lame show, Lame Lame Lame......I would have liked to watch this show but it blows because its yet ANOTHER show that uses sex (women) to sell.....

    I watch "Dont forget the Lyrics" Instead. They are able to have a fun game show without sexy models, go go dancers, eye candy, big boobs, and short skirts....who would have thought that was possible!?!?!
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    jrapaport

    [2]May 5, 2008
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    Okay, I know you are not going to like this, but a few facts of life and a few answers to your questions and comments. First off, I am a male, and I AGREE that TV and FILM objectifies women, especially on commercials more than the shows themselves. I have a master's degree in Film/TV Theory, Criticism, and Audience Analysis, and I have studied this subject quite extensively over my six collegiate years of schooling, and my year plus of PhD work. Because the feminine studies school came out of the communication department in many universities, we are often on this topic at the university. But, now after defining who I am, and my viewpoint and opinion (which is in agreement to you), I go to the hard facts of life, TV, and Film.

    Unfortunately, TV is ran by businessman who want to make money. They know the cardinal rule is that sex sells. For every one female that is grossed out to the point that they will not watch, there are three men watching just for that same reason. For example, several of the models that hold cases on "Deal or No Deal" have done lucrative photo shoots for male fans in Playboy, Maxim, FHM, and several other male-aimed media products. I mean, if there was no money or career advancement in it, there would be no females lining up to hold the cases. But besides photo shoots and videos, many of these women have also gotten commercial spots, and one has even been moved to WWE wrestling as a spokeswomen and interviewer on the wrestling show RAW (the highest rated cable show for seventeen years). Also, other models on the show have their own websites and post pics of themselves online and those pictures will really steam you if you saw them. And that thirty seconds of airtime where their real name gets said by Howie and they get shown holding the case, gets them Googled and then some men buy subscriptions to their sites which contain pictures of them doing everything short of pornography. In fact, I believe the contract for them on the show forbids "negative media attention," which obviously doesn't include Playboy, but probably is indicating a full-fledged porn contract or sex-tape. So, that is reason number one, too many men are watching for that reason. about 3-1 if I was to guess in comparison to women being grossed out.

    Number Two is a follow-up derivative of number one. Traditionally men are the breadwinners in most families, and prime-time television is slotted at a time period that men are usually home from work. So, in order to get more money for the commercial spots that air during the show, they need to get more male viewers. Now, whether or not men are the primary breadwinners in their homes nowadays, they are 100% guaranteed without a doubt the highest spending demographic in America. Males 18-45 spend more money than any other group of Americans alive. So, if NBC (or whatever network the show is on) wants to get Gillette to pay 1 million for a 30 second spot to sell razors and blades, they need to get the men to the TV set to watch and spend. The best way to do that, naked (or almost nude) women. I mean if knitting grandmas had the same effect, they would be holding the cases. So, besides reason number one, viewer-ship and fan following, reason number two is commercial sales and pleasing the top spending demographic in America. If you notice, on Lifetime, Oxygen, and WE (Women's Entertainment) they sell paper towels and Glad bags, Swifters and household products. And Nickelodeon and Disney shows toys and games to get the kids to annoy their parents until they buy them the toy they want. But until another demographic outspends males 18-45 the shows (which are tools to get people to watch the commercials) will continue to do "what they know" historically works. Think of this, now with baby boomers aging, there are more seniors or people over 45 than any other group in America, so you would think there would be more shows and commercials aimed at them, but you can count on one hand how many shows are out there aimed at the 50+ demographic. And it's because they don't spend the money, even though there is more of them and they are home more to watch the shows.

    I realize I am long-winded so I will conclude with reason number three...Women have been conditioned to seeing nearly nude women in ads, TV shows, and everything else for years now. So, there is less objection from women as well. While it may have offended 80% of women at first, now it is down to 20% because we (or y'all) are so used to it. Not to mention, Hollywood and every magazine in America glorifies that particular type of body style and image making it worse. I'm sure many women, who are already insecure because of the same reason, feel in the minority and may even feel wrong for complaining or voicing their complaints about this issue. Not to say, you and they are correct, it is total objectification and demeaning, but it has been going on for so long, it has become, I dare say "accepted". And to top this off, a strange parallel, did you know that the number one buyer demographic of Playgirl is gay men! So, it "seems" if you are looking for "objectification equality" it has been proven in the past, that women truly do not really want to see, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY WANT TO PAY TO SEE men in their skivies (sp?). No money in it, no reason to do it from a business point of view. I apologize about my callousness on the topic, but these are true reasons why things are the way they are. Single, obsessive, hard-up men are fronting the bills in this country and until another demographic takes over and puts their money where their mouth is this will not change. In fact, I even read that female-focused pornography will gross over 10 billion dollars this year in commerce between the Internet and other avenues. That is crazy considering the "real" film industry nets about $30 billion internationally a year.

    So, I agree with everything you said, and it IS NOT FAIR. But even in nude male centered porn, male buyers are the biggest demographic for gay and straight porn. For a male actor, there is more money in gay porn than straight porn. Women clearly have spoken with their wallets and do not want to see the male form. So equal objectification is out. And as for erasing female objectification from prime-time, you either need to find another stimulating interest for men that will pull money from their wallets, or rally another demographic to start outspending the male demographic, which should be possible since their are more women in America then men. But you'll also need to re-sensitize the female population into seeing that this is immoral and wrong and that they can stop it by voicing their complaints first, and then have them back it up by spending their money in a direction that supports that cause. Sorry to be no "real" help, I've never watched any of these shows you talk about, but as a college professor and PhD student of TV/Film Theory & Criticism who is working on a dissertation of a similar breed as your comment I thought this might be something of interest to you.

    Jared

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    dude6363

    [3]May 5, 2008
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    I have to agree and disagree. If you want, here's a link to something intersting www.meetjoefrancis.com. This is the guy who's the founder of Girls Gone Wild, he went to jail for videotaping a 17-year old girl for his video empire. He makes some intersting points, some of which I have adapted onto my own opinions on the matter. The fact is guys will always stare at girls. It's their nature to be captivated by beauty and desirable mates. NBC didn't invent the fact that they'll get higher rating if 26 beautiful women in dresses are part of the gameplay. They're not crude, they're in evening ware and I just have to disagree that they're doing something wrong. If you go to the site, go specificlly to the blog and FAQ. This man makes some very valid points on the topic and is constantly shunned for his buissness. If you go, tell me what you think about what he says.
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    LSUstinks11

    [4]May 5, 2008
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    LaceyHart wrote:

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    NBC using models for game shows too much?


    Does anyone think the eye candy is getting out of hand? It seems that almost every game show I see now has models dressed up scantily clad, with push up bras and short skirts exuding sex appeal.
    Is it now MEN'S television? ...come on.....50% of the viewers are women.....

    Women shouldn't have to "not mind" it or tolerate it by looking the other way. They should be able to enjoy tv shows and not feel uneasy about public television game shows. There is "SPIKE" tv for chauvanistic tv and for males viewing pleasure.

    Maybe just either dont have excessive amounts of female eye candy, or ....here's a thought, make it equal and have male eye candy for the female viewers as well. Sometimes women enjoy looking at sexy men. Why can't they be in tight tank tops, showing their biceps and pecks? Why don't we ever see that, and only sexy women? I feel that is unfair and sexist.

    The only show I can think of that doesn't have sexy models is "Family Feud" LOL

    and there are shows like Wheel of Fortune that aren't sexist in my opinion.
    Vanna White is dressed like a lady and wears evening gowns looking very elegant.

    But one show that I think is totally sexist, has uneccessary provacatively dressed models, and that I don't watch because of it is "Deal or No Deal" http://www.nbc.com/Deal_or_No_Deal/playwin/dondregister.shtml

    Is this a TV game show, or a competition for Playboy Magazine? Their advertisement shows 3 women wearing tight clothes showing a huge amount of cleavage. Then 3 other featured models with quotes "meet the models" "meet the upcoming models"

    It doesn't look like a tv show, it looks like an adult modeling agency or dating service that has a game show on the side. Anyone kinda turned off by this sex sells image when it comes to family game shows? I know sex sells a lot and probably more so for men. But it doesn't sell me. I love game shows, but I don't watch this one cause of the objectification of women. I thought families liked to sit around and watch these type shows? Since when does family and sexy models go together?

    Here is another show that I can't bring myself to watch. When it debuted, once again it was hard for me to focus on the game because they had what appeared to be go-go dancers wearing bikini tops, and short skirts. http://www.nbc.com/The_Singing_Bee/

    I read that there were complaints. Viewers felt it was not only unappropriate the way they were dressed but also the way they were dancing. Hello.....we aren't in an 18+ club with go-go dancers in cages. It's a game show that families watch. Do we have to bring sexuality into everything?

    The "interview with the honeybees" video made my boobs hurt just watching it. The tight skimpy outfits are so clearly meant to "enhance" their figure. The woman on the left looked like her boobs were squeezed together so hard that they were going to pop out and hit the girl next to her giving her a black eye. Does anyone that watches that video actually look at her FACE? .....I was too distracted myself. I just wouldn't feel comfortable and dont think others would either watching that show....especially say, with your 7 year old daughter. When the girls are dressed like NFL cheerleaders which are known for being over the top sexy, go-go dancers, or people say they look like "Hooters girls"....I think people will agree....its a bit MUCH.

    http://www.nbc.com/The_Singing_Bee/photos/#cat=308&sec=959&mea=24606

    any shorter of a skirt on honey bee"Ferly", and you can see her Kootch. Great example for young girls....as you can see on the website, there is praise from the men (of course DUH, cause its a "mans world" and the pervs need tending) and then there are complaints from the women saying the "bees" look like hooters girls with too short of skirts.

    Lame show, Lame Lame Lame......I would have liked to watch this show but it blows because its yet ANOTHER show that uses sex (women) to sell.....

    I watch "Dont forget the Lyrics" Instead. They are able to have a fun game show without sexy models, go go dancers, eye candy, big boobs, and short skirts....who would have thought that was possible!?!?!
    Both Deal or No Deal and Don't Forget the Lyrics are terrible games shows for different reasons.Deal or No Deal,the contestants act too dang cocky,the singing show are sometimes talentless.
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    GATZ1000

    [5]May 6, 2008
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    You have to have some reasons to watch these shows because the games themselves are to good to begin with. I don't agree with the overexposure of models and if its sexist or not and for the most part who cares, just a show. Thier is alot worse out thier then anything these two shows can whip up. You just have to remember that, even if you don't like ir or care for it, is that sex appeal is a major aspect of many shows, ranging from game shows to reality shows. I don't agree with this but who are we to stop it, like we have the power to change what has been going on for who knows how long. The only difference about Deal or No Deal to other shows is that thier is 26 models to gaze over instead of one and each of them wearing the same dress, not to original or "sexy'.

    If you think these shows are sexist then I guess Price is Right, Wheel of Fortune, and anyother show that is out thier in todays world has to be as well.

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    skaizun

    [6]May 8, 2008
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    Given your excessive use of slang terms for women's body parts, especially as this is your very first (and I suspect, only) post, I am left wondering whether you were genuinely concerned about this subject, or if you simply wanted to rant away, showing off your incredible vocabulary, or if you're just a shill for "Dont forget the Lyrics"! I can't even figure out if you're a male or female, or are one or the other pretending to be . . . oh, never mind!

    Regardless, heaven forbid that women who are trying to earn an honest buck dress in a manner that flatters them! Isn't that what the fashion and cosmetics world is all about?

    There's nothing wrong with women (or men, for that matter) dressing in any way, shape, or form (though I draw the line (no pun intended) at those who try stuffing their 200+ pound bodies into string thongs, floss, etc!).

    The problem is with the viewer, whether he/she is ogling the model, or is jealous or envious of the model for either their appearance or clothing, etc, or is disgusted by the show of flesh, or couldn't care less. If parents are disgusted at the sight of their own or others' bodies, guess how their kids are going to react: either exactly the same, or completely the opposite as if in protest!

    As proven by numerous shows whose sole intent was to objectify women (most notably, Spike TV's "Stripperella" cartoon series), even the targeted, teenaged, males get sick and tired of seeing excessive flesh without having something else in the show to give a reason for the scantily clad babes' existence (do you think that people who watch faux-wrestling are interested in the buff bods as much as the pseudo-mayhem?). I would hardly call "Deal or No Deal" to be a bastion of pornography, no matter how subtle! And, as long as we both mentioned Spike TV, may I point out that, although I agree with you about that network being testosterone-laced, and I find some of its shows sickeningly sexist, it runs "Star Trek: Voyager", which stars a professional, female (and fully clothed, thank goodness!) captain. Unlike the other "Star Trek" series, nary a scantily clad female is shown, except, arguably, for the "Seven of Nine" character, who, at least, had more to flesh her out, so to speak, than just her curves.

    If you don't like something on TV, either write the network, show's producers, and/or advertisers about it, or stop watching it, as you seem to have done. Personally, if it's a choice between watching violent shows (including news programs which interrupt themselves to show pointless car chases, etc) and attractive people . . . (do you really need me to finish that sentence? ).

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    Angus_Mac

    [7]May 8, 2008
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    I think eye candy has evolved way past visual models on television. The show gives the models stage names and blogs so that people who might have had a casual interest in the eye candy are getting brain candy similar to that of a profile found on Playboy or any celebrity focused magazine. Now they've become TV stars with more regular airtime presence and appeal than a Miss America contestant who has to do something controversial to even be in the running for 15 minutes of fame.

    On the other hand, the big-time eye candy shows have faded; gone are Howard Stern, The Man Show, Singled Out, and Wild On, although with the Internet, other far more objectifying content is pervasive. Even Miss America pageants are fading from primetime TV and have to flee to the cable channels. To fill its void are mostly reality-show competitions, some of which seem like harems, and aren't ashamed to appeal more during sweeps months. I guess pro wrestling is still popular, but that requires a little bit of physical skill and lots of charisma. The Biggest Loser is a popular show for those who enjoy men and women who are transforming themselves to look physically better.

    Even game show contestants used to be random run-of-the-mill folks, but now they're all auditioning and hoping to be quirky enough to get airtime on television, even if it means having to be eye candy like the models.
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    Antique22

    [8]Aug 10, 2010
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    Why I think game shows use models a lot is because there's lots of excitement to bring the show to life and the models are added to the fun. Take for instance why Deal Or No Deal used models to open the suitcases was to make the show a success and to make a successful career for the models.If you watched Deal Or No Deal you'll notice that two of the models are famous from other shows. Layla Milani who was #13 in DOND is the featured spokeswoman for WWE Raw and Claudia Jordan who was #1 on the show was on The PriceIs Right and you can bet that now that it's cancelled their careers have taking off. Another reality show Catch 21 has one model Mikki Padilla who acts as the dealer on the show and she is wonderful and her dresses are so nice but I do wish we could see more models dressed like Vanna White and that would make reality shows a lot more fun,


    Tiki

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    baskok

    [9]May 13, 2011
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    I don't know if it's as sexist as in Europe but an example isItaly. A lot of shows have barely dressed women dancing in the background at game shows or talk shows. Look for chiambretti night! And it's not just TV! there are female DJ's who perform topless (Mari Ferrari,Nikki belucci, isy dee) A very wrong example for female DJ's although a topless guy wouldn't get that much attention. There is definitely a sexualisation going on in the world. Maybe in the US it's more visible because it's a large country.Although here in Europe we don't get to see many of the game shows in a studio because they usually have questions that most people don't understand. I can imagine that if you're watching a ''family'' show and seeing barely dressed girls with similar body types , usually skinny and big chested. it sends of a wrong message. It adds to your own insecurities. And you begin to question those shows. Why is it necessary? Even in teen shows today you notice overly made up girls. Why does it have to be better looking all the time?


    I think it goes way back. in the past you had so called assistants of game show hosts. Who would bring envelopes or spin a wheel. They looked pretty, yet more covered up then nowadays. Lately it has become screen filling. This isn't real life. I think that the US is much more male orientated on TV. Well you've got a lot more channels of course so you can decide to avoid those shows.


    But if you're a young girl and all you see on TV are beautiful people on TV i can imagine that it can make you insecure. But there's a difference girls are much more judged on their looks. In magazines you do see so called perfect guys but not many guys look at it and think i gotta be just like that. If you got a belly a guy usually sucks it in in front of a mirror and thinks he's alright. A girl might start to think why do i not like like that! The plastic surgery business targets women because of this female insecurity. Guys have more plastic surgery for minor things like drooping eye lids or if their really too heavy to function lipo! I think society is managed by the media. it can scare you make you uneasy and insecure.


    Let's say your a good looking woman and want to start a career on TV. The director tells you can you dance? Show me your body here's your suitQuestion : would any girl like to be eye candy on a show?



    Edited on 05/13/2011 7:49am
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