30 Days Forums

Planet Green (ended 2008)

New Age Is Still A Scam

  • Avatar of LincolnBurrows

    LincolnBurrows

    [1]Aug 18, 2006
    • member since: 10/29/05
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 296

    I want everyone to know right from the start that I've faithfully watched 30 Days since it premiered.   I'm a big fan of Morgan Spurlock and the work he does.   Typically, I find myself on the opposing side when a big issue comes into play, so when the single person is won over by the group at the end of the episode I can usually just agree and also come out having learned something.    For reasons I won't get into right here and now, I was on the side of the "illegal aliens" in the border control episode.    I take it as a compliment that people want to actually come to America, and I've always figured something had to be wrong with Mexico since we don't see Canadians "border hopping".   Living in Texas now, this has also become a hotter issue.   At the end of the episode, I learned a lot more about what actually goes on in Mexico and in the life on illegal immigrants living in the U.S.    So while my mind wasn't changed (Because I never felt that people should be denied access to this country), I did learn quite a bit.   I also enjoyed the athiest episode, because as a firm believer in God, I didn't think that "church" the family took the athiest to should have converted her... And it didn't.      In any case, all of the specifics of the other episodes can be shared and discussed at another time because this particular episode struck me as fairly bad.

    There is a word shared by carnies, magicians and grifters for people like the man we saw in the New Age episode, and that word is... mark.    Watch Criss Angel on Mind Freak.   Listen to anyone of any sort of profession of that nature reveal their secrets.    They will admit, it's completely mental.   If you tell someone that their hands are starting to feel hot, then if they're weak willed enough (And most people are, but it's not a reflection of poor character), then the person will say "My hands do feel hot"... Because they want to believe it.   Because in their mind, they do believe it.   Because it's completely mental.

    The man Morgan interviewed from Skeptic Magazine was 100% correct when he said these "remedies" were just placebos.    Of course if you tell someone to feel relaxed, they're probably going to start feeling relaxed.   If you go into a situation such as this, being a man such as we saw in this episode, you are most likely going to fall for every trick they play on you.     This man went in with a very open mind- and I respect him for that- but I just wish Morgan Spurlock would choose these people better. 

    In a typical situation on the show, the man has jars put over his back and turned into a vaccuum.   This is supposed to help his back pain.   Now, if I was there in his place, not only would I not be relaxed but I'd probably just end up screaming "What are you doing you crazy lady??!!?!?"   I wouldn't let myself give in to the show, because really it's all just smoke and mirrors.

    The second biggest problem I had with this particular episode was that Morgan talked to a young cancer patient who went through and did everything she was supposed to with medicine but then also encorporated some new age ideas and managed to beat cancer.  The fact that new age is kind of latching on and trying to take credit for this just sickens me.   Granted, it probably helped her stay in higher spirits, which in turn helped her to get better because as I keep telling you- it's all mental- but the fact is that the new age ~whatever~ can be easily substituted by whatever makes you happy.

    Let's say I had cancer.   I did all the medicine and stuff I was supposed to, while in my spare time playing video games.   Then, I get cured of the cancer.   I beat it.   Woohoo!  Video games cure cancer!!  Playstation stock is going to go through the roof!

    Do you get my point now?  Playing video games may have actually helped to make me feel better, but they did little else to actually remedy me.

    And granted, the procedures like acupuncture and "cupping" are just quick fixes to help you feel better for a while without doing any real healing.   You could go to a so-called faith healer and have the same effect (See: House, episode "House vs. God")

    What I loved most of all was how easily and quickly this man played into the entire show.    At one point, he was with his "life coach" and she made him kind of squat down and bark out a word.   He did so, and said he felt more energetic.   Hmm... Where have I seen that before?  Who squats down like that... Yells out a word or two... Maybe sometimes the word is "break"... Mmmm... Right!  I remember now!   That's a technique used by football players to psych themselves up! 

    Wait... Wasn't this guy a former football player?

    He was a football player.    Now he's just a mark.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Nurol

    Nurol

    [2]Aug 19, 2006
    • member since: 06/13/05
    • level: 3
    • rank: Soup Nazi
    • posts: 36

    I have to agree. New age medicine isn't something I'd easily put my faith in.

    LincolnBurrows wrote:

    If you tell someone that their hands are starting to feel hot, then if they're weak willed enough (And most people are, but it's not a reflection of poor character), then the person will say "My hands do feel hot"... Because they want to believe it.   Because in their mind, they do believe it.   Because it's completely mental.

    While I'm by no means an expert on New Age medicine, I've heard that for hypnotherapy that smarter people respond more. I have no clue why this is or how accurate the information, but people don't necessarily react more because they are weaker willed.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of telvisnostic

    telvisnostic

    [3]Aug 21, 2006
    • member since: 06/27/05
    • level: 52
    • rank: Guzzlefish
    • posts: 25,288

    Some parts of  New Age is good, some arent'.

    I just like the yoga and stretch excercises.  Other than that, it all seems like crap to me.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of insomniac360

    insomniac360

    [4]Aug 23, 2006
    • member since: 08/14/06
    • level: 21
    • rank: Snagglepuss
    • posts: 3,898
    It's just faith. Like people believe that this will help them. New Age medicine is used for relaxation and peace. And people believe that this works.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of claudelia

    claudelia

    [5]Aug 24, 2006
    • member since: 11/25/05
    • level: 1
    • rank: Weatherman
    • posts: 2
    meditation also helps
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of LincolnBurrows

    LincolnBurrows

    [6]Aug 25, 2006
    • member since: 10/29/05
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 296

    insomniac360 wrote:
    It's just faith. Like people believe that this will help them. New Age medicine is used for relaxation and peace. And people believe that this works.

    Actually, it's quite different than faith.    Faith is believing in something that you cannot prove or disprove.   I believe in God.  Have I ever met God?   No.   Are their photos of God on display to prove (or not on display to disprove) his existence?  No.   So how do I know- and I mean really know- that God exists?   I don't.   But I believe there is more to life than just what we see, so I do believe... I have faith.     The same can be said for a lot of religions.   And most of it comes down to the afterlife.   What happens when you die?  No one knows, because no one's ever died for long enough and come back to tell us.    So you can believe whatever you want about the afterlife and no one can really say "No, that doesn't happen" because no one really, truly knows.

    However, with "new age", there is scientific fact that proves it does not work.   Yes, people may have "faith" in it, but it- unlike religion, God, etc.- has been proven to not work.   It's not real.   That's a scientific fact.

    Yoga is all right.   So is meditation.   Stretching is something everyone should do.  Athletes do it though, and they're not all new age.   The new age part I hate is the needles (acupuncture), the cupping they were doing, the chants... All that stuff that isn't real and is just a placebo.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of vokilj

    vokilj

    [7]Aug 26, 2006
    • member since: 07/02/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 332
    Although a god can never be disproven by science because I could say that I have faith in little blue men who survive in the core of Pluto, and science could never prove me wrong. Now science has contradicited with many faiths concerning the age of the earth, existence of people, and/or miracles. But nothing compares to New Age, because a lot of it is pseudoscience that it makes me sick, sure there are "some" herbs that help you and yoga is very healthy, most of their belief is today ludicrous and it can hurt people in the proccess.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of botched_messiah

    botched_messiah

    [8]Sep 3, 2006
    • member since: 06/18/05
    • level: 9
    • rank: Door Number 2
    • posts: 39
    I'd hardly classify yoga and meditation as New Age - they're ancient practices. It's just certain kinds that are 'New Age.' I work in a book shop and sell a lot of New Agey stuff and seriously, it's a load of crap... but hey, people have a right to believe it, just like they have a right to believe in God or whatever else rocks their socks.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of zoombronco

    zoombronco

    [9]Sep 16, 2006
    • member since: 05/15/03
    • level: 1
    • rank: Weatherman
    • posts: 1
    What I think we are forgetting is that most, if not all, "New Age" practices ARE ancient practices. It is the New Age because New Agers are returning to ancient practices in a modern context. Of course, at one time, chiropractic was considered a "New Age" activity, practiced by wackos with no scientific knowledge. Yet, now, our medical science confirms the basic tenets of chiropractic, and Western medicine and chiropractic have furthered each other.

    At one time we thought the world was flat, that the universe revolved around the Earth, that Pluto was a planet. Knowledge is evolving. Science contains THEORIES of how the world works. Newer sciences such as chaos theory and quantum physics used to be considered LUDICROUS. Anyone suggesting such things was laughed out of whatever conference they were in. Now, these are the sciences shaping all other sciences.

    And my final point: OF COURSE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND. That is the exact point that most New Age analysts would profess. That is the overarching theme of our post-modern age, and of the New Age. All these practices are just tools, techniques to focus the mind to a task, whether it is healing or getting a new job. We say placebo like it's a bad thing: if I could cure cancer by passing out sugar pills, you're damn right I would do it.

    Now, I have to say that I believe Western medicine and science have made ENORMOUS discoveries about our bodies and our world, and that we can use these discoveries to help our lives. But we must remember, the ancient Chinese learned about anatomy without ever cutting open a body. And yet, for thousands of years, they knew more about the human body than any other culture on Earth. We are constantly "discovering" plants in the middle of the jungle that have been used by locals for a millennium, that New Agers use, and that we used to say were just a placebo. Now we take the time to study them and find out that these plants cure diseases we've been trying to cure for generations. These "facts" have been determined by all our modern sciences. So, say what you will about the New Age, but our Western science is still catching up to some of this ancient knowledge.

    P.S. And, yes, I agree that some of this stuff is total crap and just used to con people out of their time and money. But that's not limited to the "New Age".
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Myschly

    Myschly

    [11]Aug 21, 2008
    • member since: 09/11/06
    • level: 9
    • rank: Door Number 2
    • posts: 76

    LincolnBurrows wrote:
    Yoga is all right. So is meditation. Stretching is something everyone should do. Athletes do it though, and they're not all new age. The new age part I hate is the needles (acupuncture), the cupping they were doing, the chants... All that stuff that isn't real and is just a placebo.
    It's just like with christians, muslims, hindus, jews, whtvr, praying. Sometimes they make a better recovery than anticipated, and they believe it to be thanks to their prayer. Even though I'm 100% certain that placing a crystal of some kind next to your bed will help your illness, neither does a sugarpill help. However, studies have shown, that if you give people sugarpills, saying it's an experimental medicine, they have a better chance of improving (better/faster).

    Acupuncture, meditation, that kinda stuff I believe can help. Most definitely. However, walking in a circle saying "hamayana" or whtvr, throwing salt around, doesn't technically help at all. It's all placebo.

    It obviously worked for the guy, and I think a lot of people in modern society would benefit from what he went through, but I must make it very clear: I am 100% certain it had NOTHING to do with anything spiritual (I'm an atheist), but if the 30 days didn't give any results, it would've been because of narrow-mindedness.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of basenji529

    basenji529

    [12]Apr 22, 2009
    • member since: 03/12/09
    • level: 15
    • rank: Ginsu Knife
    • posts: 1,935
    telvisnostic wrote:

    Some parts of New Age is good, some arent'.

    I just like the yoga and stretch excercises. Other than that, it all seems like crap to me.

    I'm a med student. I meditate, and I do stretch exercises as part of a regular exercise routine, and I have been to a nude beach before, but I will never be suckered in to homeopathic medicine, vitamin pills, and the like.

    The "native ceremonies" are often the worst. A few years ago, the Cherokee sued HBO because Real Sex had a blue-eyed dude on talking about Cherokee "sacred sex" ceremonies, a society whose initiation begins when a boy is taught by his uncle how to masturbate continues when he loses his virginity to a special priestess at age 12, and...I could go on, but it just gets more disgusting. Thing is, those ceremonies don't exist.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of VF67

    VF67

    [13]Dec 3, 2010
    • member since: 12/04/10
    • level: 1
    • rank: Weatherman
    • posts: 1
    Don't forget: The doctors used to do a lot of witch crafts, but they were considered scientifically proved. You like or not, in China, some doctors use acupuncture as anesthesic procedures for surgeries, including open heart. It is really a great placebo effect.

    While I believe in some of New Age stuff, I do not care if people believe in them or not. However, my issue with the New Age things in the US is commercialism. Why is spirituality that expensive in America? It is nothing special but a daily thing in many Asian countries. However, in this country, the spirituality/New Age make things exclusive and expensive.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.