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    TaJack

    [1]Jul 27, 2006
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    Who is Ce Chevara?
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    kncccape

    [2]Jul 28, 2006
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    Very good show.  Questions.  Why was the high school senior wearing a Holister jacket?  In fact, why was the whole family so well dressed?  Why was the mother of the family drinking a convenience store cup of coffee as her one thing she needed every day?  Convenience store coffee goes for $1.00 and up.  She should be making her own coffee.  That pretty much uses up the $5.00 a week she was making with the recycling.
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    kncccape

    [3]Jul 28, 2006
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    This is who Che Guevara was. I missed them mentioning him. What did they say? This is from Biography.com. He was a communist guerilla.

    Guevara, Che (1928–67)
    popular name of Ernesto Guevara (de la Serna)

    Revolutionary leader, born in Rosario, E Argentina. He studied at Buenos Aires, trained as a doctor (1953), then played an important part in the Cuban revolution (1956–9). He held various government posts under Castro, including commander of La Cabana Fortress (1959–63), governor of the National Bank (1969), and minister of industry (1961). He became worldwide ambassador for Cuba in 1961, but left in 1965 to become a guerrilla leader in South America. Following an unsuccessful attempt to foment revolution in Bolivia, he was captured and executed.
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    PikeBishop

    [4]Jul 28, 2006
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    Che was a left wing Marxist guerrilla who has been lionized by the world-wide left.  Responsible for the torture and execution of over 50 people, he died forgotten and alone in the Peruvian jungle surrounded by six die-hard followers.  That famous image of him has graced many dorm rooms and tee shirts over the years. 

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    ticonorico21

    [5]Aug 2, 2006
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    kncccape wrote:
    Guevara, Che (1928–67) popular name of Ernesto Guevara (de la Serna) Revolutionary leader, born in Rosario, E Argentina. He studied at Buenos Aires, trained as a doctor (1953), then played an important part in the Cuban revolution (1956–9). He held various government posts under Castro, including commander of La Cabana Fortress (1959–63), governor of the National Bank (1969), and minister of industry (1961). He became worldwide ambassador for Cuba in 1961, but left in 1965 to become a guerrilla leader in South America. Following an unsuccessful attempt to foment revolution in Bolivia, he was captured and executed.
    In case your intrested there is a very good movie about the early part of his life already out on dvd named THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES.
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    PikeBishop

    [6]Aug 2, 2006
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    ticonorico21 wrote:
    kncccape wrote:
    Guevara, Che (1928–67) popular name of Ernesto Guevara (de la Serna) Revolutionary leader, born in Rosario, E Argentina. He studied at Buenos Aires, trained as a doctor (1953), then played an important part in the Cuban revolution (1956–9). He held various government posts under Castro, including commander of La Cabana Fortress (1959–63), governor of the National Bank (1969), and minister of industry (1961). He became worldwide ambassador for Cuba in 1961, but left in 1965 to become a guerrilla leader in South America. Following an unsuccessful attempt to foment revolution in Bolivia, he was captured and executed.
    In case your intrested there is a very good movie about the early part of his life already out on dvd named THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES.

    Yes, an incredibly fictionalized, sentimentalized, romanticized and hagiographic picture of Che, the killer.

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    nihir

    [7]Aug 6, 2006
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    PikeBishop wrote:
    Yes, an incredibly fictionalized, sentimentalized, romanticized and hagiographic picture of Che, the killer.


    Yes, just like the propaganda you're spreading. At least, with movies you expect it.

    Che was only ever found to have executed people who were informants or, later on, had a trial and were proven guilty (albeit the trials were questioned on their fairness).

    I'm not saying Che was right in everything he did, but it's also an unproven accusation to say he was guilty of torturing 50 people.
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    PikeBishop

    [8]Aug 6, 2006
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    nihir wrote:
    PikeBishop wrote:
    Yes, an incredibly fictionalized, sentimentalized, romanticized and hagiographic picture of Che, the killer.
    Yes, just like the propaganda you're spreading. At least, with movies you expect it. Che was only ever found to have executed people who were informants or, later on, had a trial and were proven guilty (albeit the trials were questioned on their fairness). I'm not saying Che was right in everything he did, but it's also an unproven accusation to say he was guilty of torturing 50 people.

    Marxists involved with trials that "were questioned on their fairness?  To quote Claude Raines "I am shocked! Shocked!

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    Myschly

    [9]Aug 21, 2008
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    PikeBishop wrote:
    Yes, an incredibly fictionalized, sentimentalized, romanticized and hagiographic picture of Che, the killer.
    Not that I've seen the movie, and not that I'm a fan of Che or a communist, but what was going on before Che started the revolution and all he did was cause for him to do what he did.

    It has been portrayed in the US that the pre-castro government was wonderful and lovely in every single way. Well, not true.

    It was wonderful and lovely in every single way towards american interests. American companies got to exploit the people of Cuba, while the politicians in Cuba got rich.

    What usually happens when a rich country uses a poor country in it's "interests" (note, SHORT term interests), the people of the poor country get sick and tired of the crap, some form of revolution gets started, the rich people get outta there ASAP, and some crappy dictator or the likes of it takes over.

    If only the superpowers hadn't been trying to exploit people as much as possible, there wouldn't be as much crap in the world today.

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