Actually you don't know much about the bible. You state some stuff from the Old Testament which shows gays should be looked down and say that God ordains such things yet you ignore other controversial passages in the old testament such as the slavery part which paints quite an ugly picture. Show me how I don't know the bible when I'am posting stuff that's actually in the old testament otherwise you're just rambling on like you have been since the start of this of thread.
BTW You should know that Ten Commandments words written by God given to Moses says that "thou shall not kill" that is significantly different from the passages you have posted.
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If you have learned the bible you will see that the slavery the bible talks about is not the same slavery that you conjure up in your mind. First of all the slavery in the bible is when one sells himself because he has no money. Two it says in the bible that a slave must be treated properly. Even more than that, there are punishments written for mistreating a servant etc.
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Slavery is still slavery no matter you try to spin it. Actually the quote I posted still follows traditional forms of slavery. Yes it differs in that it's not race form of slavery we think of but it still is very similiar with what we associate slavery with which is to own somebody and treat them however you want. Yes the bible says a slave must be treated properly but also gives enough substance to say it endorses slavery. Tell me why doesn't the bible condemn slavery?
Ask for this crap about slaves being treated properly you never refuted this passage which whole heartedly endorses beating up a slave:
" When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)"
Sadly despite what you assert about slavery the passages in the bible says otherwise and paints a similar picture to what slavery is, saying a person does it because they have a debt to pay is a weak point to say the least because all the conotations about how you own a slave and treat are still very consistent with other forms of slavery which you seem to ignore
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
" Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants."
Hmmm that's you here.
"Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock" (living proof refuting what you just said coming up):
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
Nuff said the part abou treating them like property speaks for itself and sort of throws away special treeatment you think the Bible guidebook would say.
===============================================Oh, and by the way there is still slavery around the world. So although I shun it like you maybe if people with slaves were to follow the bible things wouldnt be nearly this bad. The problem is that the people with slaves nowadays are ones that mistreat people. Slavery is supposed to be a way to help a homeless person stay alive. It offers them a job, and although it is minimum wage it does offer food, shelter and clothing in moderate amounts - if you follow the bible. If only we had that type of slavery today, there would not be homeless people dying all the time or stealing to make a penny for food. Maybe people wouldnt even join gangs which in many instances are initiated to get out of dire constraints. It's a hard job, but one that keeps you alive and healthy.
BTW you're not telling me anything I don't already know and you are still wrong. Yes slavery still exists. Not to sound rude but how warped is your thinking in saying that if people with slaves followed the bible ways of treating it wouldn't be "this bad". You don't seriously believe this crap do you? I hope not. I really hope not. Slavery is supposed to be a way to help a homeless person stay alive? Where the hell do you get these crazy ideas from tell me I've never heard such nonsense in my life. All the other things you say I agree to help the homeless but please leave the word slavery out of it. The way to help homeless simply is rehabilitate them, yes offer them a job, but NOT OWN them which is what slavery implies, and make sure they aren't going back to their old habits. This actually would require a massive effort and a lots of dollars by government to pull this off and so far it hasn't happened. That's the solution not slavery. Same thing with gangs....gangs are a totally different and complicated matter with many variables. I know because I knew plenty of gang members but was never myself in one. Wey too much detail to get through but part of the problem is lack of parenting-yes by a mother and father-lack of discipline, sometimes it's peer pressure too many variables.
Again slavery does not guarantee anything even the Bible's version of slavery which is not much different isn't really set to help the person merely make them somebody else's property. That's in a nutshell. There is no guarantee that their lives would be better. There's no reason to believe a slave owner would actually follow the bible's recommendation of treating a slave. Again you if you followed the bible you'd find several cruel passages that paint less than a stellar picture of treating a slave so don't tell me I don't know the Bible:
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
"The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated."
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
LMAO. So much for slavery actually being different from other forms of slavery we know. Read that part where the slave is free but his wife and children aren't and still belong to the slave owner that's eerily similar to the other versions of slavery to come. Disprove prove that if you can when it's right there in Exodus.
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So, now that you understand that the slavery from the bible is not the sadistic and evil slavery commited in the united states and the one that continues worldwide. What else are you going to try and bash the bible with until you realize that whatever G-d wrote is for the good of the people. And that this guidebook was written to help people survive in peace and harmony and not G-d Forbid the opposite
Actually I disproved your warped point that the Bible's version of slavery is more civil and different than the other forms of slavery when it in fact still shares many similarities with the other barbaric forms of slavery. You don't know how to make a compelling argument which makes this thread a little boring by now. Read those passages I posted, which clearly are not very receptive, nor endearing to a slave back when the bible was being written and you'll see I'am not bashing anything that hasn't already been posted before. It seems then despite your best efforts all you can do is just ignore the facts over and over.
"Whatever God wrote is for the good of the people" yes and in Ten Commandments he states though shall not kill so that previous post you mentioned about killing gays or persecuting in the old statements seems rather contradicting doesn't it? So either God changes his mind a lot or as many people will tell you not everything in the Bible would be God's will. Remember what I s said you can't have it both ways especially in religion-if you do then you have yourself a major contradiction in theology which the Catholic religion has had for many centuries.
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