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    ShraZ_Zy

    [1]Jul 26, 2006
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    Great episode

    She's pretty smart and also may I add cute

    I bet she's gonna marry an American to get her citizenship lol

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    Zoolander53

    [2]Jul 26, 2006
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    interesting... the family who makes 15k a year has a TV, ps2, and computer with internet connection.
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    honeybuzzer

    [3]Jul 27, 2006
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    Yeah, but they have cheap rent, don't pay taxes, insurance, car payments, etc. Internet access can be $5 per month, you can probably get a used PS2 cheap, etc. I thought the episode was eye-opening, as most of last-seasons were.
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    TaJack

    [4]Jul 27, 2006
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    Can a person who is a non-US citizen get college scholarships?

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    khmerfemme

    [5]Jul 27, 2006
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    For some reason.. I think this family is in the process of getting their paper work. Because who in their right mind would go on national television when your illegal? I mean it doesn't make ANY sense at all. It's like worse than being caught on the border, because I mean you were living a life and now you have to be deported back cause of a TV show. It was a good episode though.
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    PikeBishop

    [6]Jul 28, 2006
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    Actually I thought it was kind of funny the daughter was applying to Princeton and Santa Clara.  That is quite a gap between two schools.  (Although to be fair I thought Santa Clara was a state school, I did not realize it was a private liberal arts school.)

    On a personal note I would have been rather ticked off if she had gotten into Princeton, because to me this highlights the major problem with illegal immigration.  Twenty some years ago I was accepted into one of the best liberal arts schools in the East.  My Father was a letter carrier who retired a year early to lower our income and my Mom was a secretary.  I got exactly ZERO in financial aid, due to the fact my parents OWNED their own home.  Disgraceful, my folks worked hard all their lives, played by the rules and then when it came time to send their son to college they got nothing. 

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    nihir

    [7]Aug 6, 2006
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    PikeBishop:

    I couldn't agree with you more about the idea of giving financial aid to people who were in situations like your parents. It's disgraceful that the country (and other countries) have such ridiculous policies for helping people pay for an education that would better the lives of the people living there. It's illogical.

    However, I think that highlights the problem with financial aid, not with illegal immigration. If illegal immigrants received financial aid over people in your position, that would STILL be a problem with financial aid. They should help both people. Anybody with an ambition to succeed in post-secondary education should be encouraged and helped not left to rot because of financial difficulties.
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    frogman27

    [8]Aug 10, 2006
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    I agree people should be encouraged, but I think it's a sign of the welfare state that people assume they should get financial aid. I went into the navy for a college program, and took out loans to cover the rest of my education. It took me 10 years to pay it all off, but it was an investment in my future, and worth every penny.

    I can see people earning scholorships, but why does anyone assume they deserve aid for school?
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    nihir

    [9]Aug 10, 2006
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    The reason people deserve aid for a post-secondary degree is because that's how you help the people of your country grow. You should want as many people as possible to be educated if they so choose.

    And keep in mind that "aid" doesn't mean grants alone. Aid refers to any help including loans. It's commendable that you took out a loan to pay for your education. But, let's put aside our difference and face the facts.

    There are people who deserve financial aid and don't receive it. Based on the goals and objectives of financial aid, the people who need it the most often are unable to receive they help they need.
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    frogman27

    [10]Aug 11, 2006
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    I think anyone who wants financial aid CAN get it. It requires more than filling out paperwork. If you want to go to college, work to get good grades. My grades weren't that good in High school. I put too much emphasis on the high part, but when I wanted to get an education I took classes at my own expense and got the grades nessecary to be accepted at a great university. I got good grades there, and went on to a second degree at a another top end school. You can earn it if you want it bad enough.

    We have state schools with reasonable tuitions that anyone working part time can work themselves through. I'm all for people advancing themselves. I'm just tired of the "gimmee" society we live in.

    That said, yes, I think there are people who deserve aid that don't get it. Largely, because we've passed the money out by demographic instead of by ability. Give it to the people who have the grades, regardless of their race or gender.
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    PikeBishop

    [11]Aug 12, 2006
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    Thanks to all who responded with their views on this post I started.  I think I failed to mention it, but I was also the "wrong" ethnicity to receive financial aid as well.  So, not only were my parents working class, but we had that strike against us too.

    And I did not qualify for any of the "work study" jobs either, which were usually complete jokes.  One of my classmates received one and his dad was an engineer.  He ran the pool tables at the rec center for money off his tuition.

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    frogman27

    [12]Aug 15, 2006
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    PikeBishop wrote:

    Thanks to all who responded with their views on this post I started.  I think I failed to mention it, but I was also the "wrong" ethnicity to receive financial aid as well.  So, not only were my parents working class, but we had that strike against us too.

    And I did not qualify for any of the "work study" jobs either, which were usually complete jokes.  One of my classmates received one and his dad was an engineer.  He ran the pool tables at the rec center for money off his tuition.



    Get a job! Go into the military for college money! Start a business!
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    vokilj

    [13]Aug 16, 2006
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    I'm sure that some of the things that they do have are from the older kids who earn money, secondly although they only earn 15K they are probably paying very little rent, no taxes, etc.
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    PIMagic37

    [14]Aug 21, 2006
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    One time in college I heard this from a guidance counselor:

    "You've got two things going for you. First, you're a woman, and second, you're handicapped. If you were black you'd have it made."

    If only I had known then how much of an insult that was, I would have said something to him. But I didn't know any better then. The only thing that should matter is, "Can you do the work the best?" I don't want to be an affirmative action hire, ever, although I think I've been one a couple of times. It doesn't advance you; it holds you back.

    Carrie
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    PikeBishop

    [15]Aug 22, 2006
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    frogman27 wrote:
    PikeBishop wrote:

    Thanks to all who responded with their views on this post I started.  I think I failed to mention it, but I was also the "wrong" ethnicity to receive financial aid as well.  So, not only were my parents working class, but we had that strike against us too.

    And I did not qualify for any of the "work study" jobs either, which were usually complete jokes.  One of my classmates received one and his dad was an engineer.  He ran the pool tables at the rec center for money off his tuition.

    Get a job! Go into the military for college money! Start a business!

    Uh I did have a job, and did do ROTC once I got to school.  So what is your point?  All I saying was that there is something wrong with the system if the children of illegals or minorities get financial aid before the children of legal, tax paying, above board American citizens who happen to be white.

    Not to mention all of the financial aid that is wasted every year on "undeserving minority students" who are not prepared for college life and usually fail out in a year or two.  My ex went to a really ritzy private college back east and every year, you saw the "tokens"  (a flaming liberal herself, I could tell it pained her to use that term, but she was forced to concede that it was correct) who were there only for the color of their skin.  They usually got outright free rides or incredibly generous financial aid packages only to p**s it away.  She said they never studied, never went to the library, always hung out watching tv and partied, and they were usually gone in a year to be replaced by the next batch of "deserving minority students."  This goes back to my original point about how my working class folks did not get a dime for me, but colleges throw money away like this year after year, and we wonder why the cost of attending these institiutions has gone from obscene to downright pornographic.

    Am I saying all minorities are undeserving?  Of course not!  That would be absurd, and as I said, I have taught middle school in Texas, where over half of my students were Black or Hispanic and most of them were poor.  A lot of those kids have gone on to great success and fine work in college.  I am only pointing out that basing finanical aid on race or ethnicity is a poor idea, and this little chick going to Princeton, would be a slap in the face, considering her legal status among other things

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    frogman27

    [16]Sep 11, 2006
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    All I'm saying is nobody should expect a handout, regardless of their nationality, race, age or the color of their nose hair. I agree some money gets thrown away. A lot of it comes from our government, and would probably be wasted some other way if these scholorships were done away with. Give scholorship money to people who earn it. So what if she's an illegal immigrant. If she's earned a merit based scholorship, more power to her. You were saying it was hard to get financial aid because you're a white male. It's not. There are tons of programs that will supply whatever you need. You just have to pay the money back If you want money for free, earn it with outstanding grades. Earn it through writing competitions. Earn it any of a hundred other ways, but don't assume you just deserve it. You may be right about the pass through system for fund recipients. I didn't see it at my university, but assuming it works like you say, the people failing out of the system are probably doing so because they don't understand the value of what they're being given. They might if they had to earn it!
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    Cesb02

    [17]Jul 28, 2008
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    TaJack wrote:

    Can a person who is a non-US citizen get college scholarships?



    Im a non-Us citizen and I get scholarships, but im a legal alien...... im pretty sure the question u meant was "can an illegal alien gain a scholarship?".... too that Im pretty sure they cant .
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