7th Heaven

Season 8 Episode 8

Baggage (a.k.a. Out of the Past)

Aired Sunday 8:00 PM Nov 10, 2003 on The CW
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Episode Summary

Eric arranges for Peter and his dog to visit a drug rehab center to cheer up the patients. Peter bonds with Nick (guest-star Joe Penny) and helps him reconnect with his estranged son. Meanwhile, a very uncoordinated Lucy finds out that Kevin has been secretly coaching the Glenoak Police Department husband-and-wife softball team and demands that she be allowed to play. Just before his first date with Paris (guest-star Shannon Kenny), Chandler receives a letter from Roxanne telling him she still loves him. Martin (guest-star Tyler Hoechlin) confronts Cecilia about her lingering feelings for Simon, prompting Cecilia to call Simon to let him know she has a new boyfriend. She is also surprised when he admits that he is also dating someone and Ruthie is jealous of Cecilia and Annie's close relationship.moreless

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  • A great episode!

    Peter wants to help former alcohol and drug addicts. He meets one, Nick, who wants to get in touch with his son. Peter helps them reconnect. Roxanne thinks that she is still in love with Chandler. Cecilia and Martin are going out. Ruthie is jealous of Cecilia because she spends so much time with her mom. Kevin doesn't want Lucy to play in the husband/wife softball games, so he keeps it a secret. Lucy finds out and wants to play, but she stinks. Paris sees Chandler and Roxanne together after Chandler broke their date.

    This was a great episode! I like Cecilia and Martin together! Paris had a right to be upset, I would be too! This episode gets a 10!moreless
  • Another episode that was pretty good. In this episode everyone had a little baggage with them that they needed to settle with someone else. This episode has its funny moments (mainly Kevin and Lucy) and its sad points and was pretty entertaining. It's notmoreless

    Another episode that was pretty good. In this episode everyone had a little baggage with them that they needed to settle with someone else. This episode has its funny moments (mainly Kevin and Lucy) and its sad points (Peter, Alfred and Joe) and was pretty entertaining. It's not a classic episode but it'll do. For a show in its 8th season and with a revolving door of exiting and returning characters "7th Heaven" is still pretty strong in what it does. Let's break it down storyline by storyline…

    Eric and Annie: Yes! The second time in a row that we see Annie a lot in an episode this season. Keep it up writers! It was nice that Eric and Annie are finally interacting again with one another than maybe just in one or two scenes like a lot of episodes in season 7 and earlier this season. Although, some fans have acknowledged and I've also noticed that Eric and Annie aren't as lovey-dovey as they were back in the earlier seasons. Actually, that's pretty common in marriages lasting that long like Eric and Annie's after 25 years—I think. You know they love each other very much but they express it in a different way now as they both have evolved. In marriages lasting that long you become more comfortable and okay with each other so you don't usually kiss and be lovey-dovey all the time when you see them as you used to be. It happens. Plus, it's great seeing that Eric and Annie go their separate ways in their separate storylines in these later episodes as Annie does her best to help Paris and correct her mistakes with Ruthie and Cecilia. It was getting odd that Annie was spending more time with Cecilia than her own daughter and I was glad it was indirectly addressed. With that Eric does his best to help Peter as part of his job. In the earlier seasons Eric and Annie made a lot of their decisions together when their whole family was still living under one roof and usually their storylines were intertwined together at some point. That was also good but I think the writers do a good job at characterizing Eric and Annie's marriage especially since most of their kids are grown up and are now able to separate from each other more. They've been through a lot and they've changed. I mean compare from season 1 till now.

    Kevin and Lucy: This episode Kevin and Lucy didn't interact at all with the rest of the family-- they had their own separate plot. I actually think this is the first episode with them basically alone and it was very good and funny. Their storyline was pretty light and basic but entertaining to the very viewer as well. Man, Lucy does stink at sports! I'll admit it, I'm not the best athletic person by far but at least I can play softball pretty well. There's a ball, you have a bat- hit the ball! As bad as I felt for Lucy I think her and Kevin had a point. The point of the whole thing was for husband and wife police officers having a good time together and playing a friendly game as Lucy clearly stated when hiding out in the bathroom fuming. But like Kevin also said (and I quite agree) that sports are also about winning – but it's still not an excuse for his cheating. Sure, you want to have a good time but in the end you want to win too. If you don't think so---then you're lying to yourself. At the same time if I knew Lucy stunk ahead of time I would've never put her at first base in the first place and would've started her off further out in the field. But at the same time Lucy had a point about the cheating with the women not actually being married the men on the team as a requirement. This was a pretty good alone storyline for the newlywed couple. If I had to change one thing it would've been Lucy not being in the bathroom pouting when discussing the situation with Kevin. Her credibility goes down with that. She can be more mature than that, especially when you're married.

    Martin and Cecelia: Ok, I'm guessing sometime over the last time we saw Martin and now in this episode that he and Cecilia got together. I guess Cecilia didn't mention it because she knows it's awkward still going to her ex-boyfriends house and spending time with his family. Why would she want to tell them since she likes them? I mean it's not too ridiculous that she'd imagine they get upset knowing their sons old girlfriend they see all the time is dating someone else and still wanting to hang with them. It was quite normal that she would start to pull back on see them, but as we all know the Camden's are a very accepting family and they like Cecilia and know Simon is gone. As for Martin we still know very little about his personality in general but we did find out that he's very good in playing baseball (just like is alter-ego Tyler). But I think in the next few episodes we'll get to know Martin a lot more. I bet anyone that he moves into the Camden house soon? I mean no one is using Simon or Ruthie's old rooms on the second floor anymore.

    Peter, Alfred and Joe: Now first of all I'm quite surprised at Reverend Camden. If I was him no matter how much Peter begged I would never let him attend an Alcohol Recovery Center. Even with supervision from an adult like Eric or Chandler it is definitely no place for a child when you have patients recovering from alcoholism who could experience violent withdrawal symptoms and seizures in the center (Remember Aunt Julie in Season 1?). But you know this is television and the writers wanted to make a point about this subject. It seems we also got a little character development in Peter as we found out for the first time that Peter's father was an alcoholic who left them (Now we find out?). I liked how in the end we don't really see what happens between Alfred and Joe in the end as we only see that they make eye contact and shake hands with each other. Because it's true that in life the most power that we have at helping people is by at just trying to point them in the right direction of where they need to go. Sometimes there are happy endings and sometimes they're not in real life.

    Chandler, Paris & Roxanne: Ok I find these characters tolerable again--not love them as much as the Camdens---but I can now tolerate them again after a rocky start for their characters this season. I know many don't like the relationship between Chandler and Paris and think it's odd that he would be with such and older woman. But for me they look pretty ok together (and in real life Jeremy London is a lot older than his character, 31 compared to 24). Anyway I felt bad for Paris as she did give out a suggestion to Chandler that it would be great to come to her house since Peter would be gone. It was important to her that she didn't want to give the wrong impression of herself to him, as she really likes him so it was normal for her to being nervous. I also felt bad for Roxanne. There are some people who date but dump their significant other after they feel they're getting too close and committing. Some people at first can be uncomfortable with that (i.e. Roxanne) but later on they see it was a big mistake and realize what a good thing what they gave up and now want it back. So it was quite likely Roxanne would want Chandler back. But is it too late? -Nah! As much as I kind of like Chandler and Paris together I doubt they'll be together in the long run since the writers have invested more in Chandler and Roxanne and this is just a break for them in their evolving relationship. Plus, you know the writers are going to put a wedding in some time over the season (It's "7th Heaven") and more than likely it'll be Chandler and Roxanne's.

    Overall, this episode was pretty good. A few minor errors but still the execution overall was quite excellent and reminds me that throughout all this shows changes over the years it continues to do what it does best. No wonder the show has been on for so long. I can't wait till next week to see Meredith Baxter on "7th Heaven." To me she'll always be the mom from Family Ties. I was too young to remember the show but luckily I caught a lot when it aired on cable in the mid 1990's. It looks like she won't be playing the morally acceptable character. But I'm even more excited to see Barry Watson and Sarah Danielle Madison in two weeks! All together now: Yay!

    Side Note: A few years ago I caught Stephen Collins and Meredith Baxter's 1992 TV-Movie "The Betty Broderick Story" on the cable channel Lifetime. She was completely evil in that movie and so sad when she shot Stephen in the back multiple times and his wife in the bed. It's even creepier the real Betty Broderick exists and is now in jail.

    Grade: **9 out of 10**

    Rants and Bits:

    *Ok, I partly understood Ruthie in this episode. I could understand that she feels threatened by Cecilia as she's getting a lot of Annie's attention but she doesn't need Annie to tell her if she wants to help clean the house or help the twins. Ruthie if you want to do it, do it!

    *Why was Martin (Tyler Hoechlin) in the Camden's backyard anyway when he was introduced in the episode? This is only is second appearance he's made and the second time it was awkward.

    *Why is Peter spending the night at Ruthie's house? I never believed that they were "supposedly" boyfriend and girlfriend but they're both at that age where it gets weird for a girl and boy to have a sleep over together.

    *Hey, Kevin, what's wrong with kissing and being lovey-dovey to your wife when being on a Husband/Wife Baseball team? I'm surprised the rest of team players whose wives were actually there weren't making out and being lovey doovey with each other.

    *Paris was the person to really seem to be excited about seeing the twins in a long time. I wish Annie had more scenes taking them to park and just doing things with them and being happy with them.

    *Once again, writer's you are on a role with Annie. I keep repeating this because I don't want Annie to disappear into one/two scenes an episode like she was earlier in the season and also last season.moreless
Ken Medlock

Ken Medlock


Guest Star

Todd Sandler

Todd Sandler


Guest Star

Tim Griffin

Tim Griffin


Guest Star

Shannon Kenny

Shannon Kenny

Paris Petrowski

Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (11)

    • In the scene where peter gives the letter to Alfred, Alfred comes out of the store and locks it, but when he gives the letter back to peter and walks away he leaves the keys hanging still in the door.

    • In the scene where Lucy is batting and Kevin is shown coaching first base, Kevin's team has a runner that looks like he is about to steal but it is supposed to be slow pitch softball and you don't steal in slow pitch.

    • When Martin asked Lucy if she played any sports she gave him the impression that she didn't, but wasn't she on the cheerleading squad in high school?

    • Why would Peter spend the night at the Camden's? Since him and Ruthie are so-called "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" at their age wouldn't it be unethical for him to sleep at her house?

    • NITPICK: In the opening credits when Shannon Kenny's name is revealed as a guest star Nick Cornish's name is slighlty viewed at the same time in appearance.

    • After Lucy kissed Kevin at the softball game he told her they can't do that because they can't show affection or whatever and then when she was batting in the background you could hear him say "Come on Baby!" How is that not showing affection?

    • One of the players saw the schedule and was upset because it said "Lucy Camden" for first base. Shouldn't the schedule read "Lucy Kinkirk," since she's married to Kevin, he's the coach, and it's a "husband-wife" team. KINKIRK!

    • Ruthie complained that Annie never asked her to watch the twins or help her mom with house work. Should'nt Ruthie just take it upon herself to help with the housework or ask her mom if she needed any help?

    • In the episode "I Wasn't Expecting That!" Martin told Eric that Cecilia was with Lucy and Roxanne in Lucy's apartment. But then when Lucy and Martin go to pick up Cecilia at her house, Martin is surprised to hear that Lucy knows her.

    • NITPICK: When Eric was unloading the dishwasher, wouldn't he have noticed that it was dirty? Isn't there a way that it would show it has been used so people don't open it and assume it's clean?

    • NITPICK: When Eric comes home, he puts his stuff down then Peter starts to talk to him as they go to the foot of the stairs, after they finish, Eric goes upstairs. Wouldn't you think he would want Annie to know he was home and give her a kiss then go upstairs?

  • QUOTES (3)

    • Lucy to Martin: "Can you play softball?"

      Martin to Lucy: "Yes!"

      Lucy to Martin: "Can you teach me how to play?"

      Martin to Lucy: "Maybe! Ok, tomorrow after church."

      Lucy to Martin: "No, it has to be today. I have to learn how to play in less than 4 hours."

      Martin to Lucy: "Can't be done, plus I got a date.

      Martin to Lucy: "Ok, I'll teach you something."

      Lucy to Martin: "Really."

      Martin to Lucy: "I don't make any guarentees."

      Lucy to Martin: "Don't worry I'm very athetic."

      Martin to Lucy: "What sports do you play?"

      Lucy to Martin: "Let's just go."

      Martin to Lucy: "You don't mind if my girlfriend tags along do you?"

      Lucy to Martin: "No!"

      Martin to Lucy: Great! We could pick her up on the way to the batting cages."

    • Kevin to Lucy: "Now will you tell me why you wanted to play on my team so badly?"

      Lucy to Kevin: "All my life grade school, middle school and even high school, I was always forced to play sports in P.E. that I didnt want to play but it wasnt the playing i hated, it was the being picked last for teams. Do you know what it feels like to be the loser?"

      Kevin to Lucy:" Ok, but I still don't get why this means so much to you that you play on my team?"

      Lucy to Kevin: "Because being picked last is a lot better than not being asked at all."

      Kevin to Lucy: "Do you want to play on my team?"

      Lucy to Kevin: "No."

    • Eric to Annie: "I unloaded the dishwasher."

      Annie to Eric: "Great... but the dishes weren't clean." (Eric puts utensils back in diswasher)

      Lucy to Kevin: "A smile is not going to get you out of this. (He stops smiling) Why didn't you tell me?"

      Kevin to Lucy: "Come on Luce, there's a lot of things you're good at but I've seen you play softball and... you stink."

      Lucy to Kevin: "I can play softball."

      Kevin to Lucy: "Since when?"

      Lucy to Kevin: "I can... I mean I can't go to the Super bowl, but I can play."

      Kevin to Lucy: "The Super Bowl is football."

      Lucy to Kevin: "I knew that."

      Kevin to Lucy: Sorry."

      Kevin to Lucy: "I'm your coach, there's no kissing in softball."

      Roxanne to Chandler: "I love you, I still love you . I think I'll always love you."

      Chandler to Roxanne: "I don't want to do this here."

      Roxanne to Chandler: "Let's go back to my place." (They walk as a sad Paris accidently sees them)

      Lucy to Kevin: "You took me out of the game and made me sit on the bench!"

      Lucy to Kevin: "I don't want to be on your team. You and your team are a big bunch of cheaters. I had some time to talk to the some of the wives on the team... you know while I was sitting on the bench, and they told me they're not married, at least not to anyone on the team. They're just women who've been playing softball all their lives, and that's why you always win. Cheater!" (She slams the door)

      Ruthie to Annie: "I'm sorry too."

      Annie to Ruthie: "For how you spoke to me?"

      Ruthie to Annie: "For that, and for not speaking to you. I was upset."

      Annie to Ruthie: "Now?"

      Ruthie to Annie: "I'm not upset... just sorry."

      Annie to Ruthie: "That makes two of us."

      Eric to Peter (Watching Alfred and Joe meet and shake hands): "Sometimes just showing up is the hardest part."

      Peter to Eric: "Yeah."

      Eric to Peter: "I think our work here is done."

      Peter to Eric: "Let's got to church."

      Eric to Peter: "Lets."

  • NOTES (4)


    • Kevin: (to Lucy) There's no kissing in softball.
      This is a play on the line "There's no crying in baseball!" from the movie A League of Their Own, starring Geena Davis and Tom Hanks.

    • Kevin to Lucy: "The Super Bowl is football."
      Kevin explains to Lucy that The Super Bowl is in football, not softball. The Super Bowl is the final game of the football season where the two football teams compete for the title of winner. This happens at the end of every January.

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