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7th Heaven

Season 10 Episode 4

Ring Around the Rosie

Aired Sunday 8:00 PM Oct 10, 2005 on The CW
out of 10
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Episode Summary

Simon finds a way to slow down his relationship with Rose, but her stubbornness derails his plan and Ruthie tries to ditch a boy who wants to go out with her. Elsewhere, one of the girls in Lucy's support group tells Lucy, that she is pregnant.

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  • This episode was great!

    Simon tells Eric and Annie about him and Rose living together. They say that they can't and Simon accepts that. He tells Rose that she has to move out. It turns out that he wanted her to the whole time. Sandy wants to talk to Reverend Camden about her pregnancy. Lucy helps one of the teen girls in her class, Lizzie. Martin confides in Lucy that he and Sandy slept together and that she is pregnant. Ruthie reveals to Annie that getting Jack might be the first step to getting Martin. Sam and David have new girlfriends now.

    This was a great episode! I think that Ruthie is really off balance with her dating life. I thought that Sam was really nice and great for Ruthie, but Ruthie just wants someone who is sexy. I can't believe that Martin threw out all his morals and ethics about sex and is now going to be a father. I'm glad that Simon wanted Rose to move out. This episode gets a 10 out of 10!moreless
  • great one. they could mean "ring around the rosie" in a couple of ways. i think its either ringing around rose, as in everything thats goin on is 4 her, and then ring around the rosie as in simon put a ring around roses finger in this one..... ... .......moreless

    hhahhahha ha i loved this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    it was funny when simon was talking to sandy and rose about his dad and sandy says something and simon is like "rose listen to me. her opiniion doesnt really count." and sandys like "oh, thanks. well maybe your opinion doesnt count. maybe i'll talk to your dad" and simons like "NO, you cant" and sandys like "i could...." and simons like "NO.. this isnt the trip to bring up sandys pregnancy to my dad. It'll only make things worse. he'll think of our getting pregnant." and sandys like "NO he WOnT! and then rose is like "i'm with her. i dont think he'll thik that. " it was sooo funny. that was the best part of the eppy prolly...moreless
  • I absolutely loved it!

    Here's how it lays out...

    Ruthie-wanting to get with Martin. She's wanted to for a while. Its been obvious ever since the hug, but its nice to see her admit it.

    Simon-finally buys that engagement ring. I'm surprised personally, I hate Rose, and many other viewers I talk to do so as well.

    The Twins-girlfriends? A brilliant add to the show. The twins are finally starting to become known this season. Well done.

    Everyone else has their own little plots, but these were my favs.moreless
  • As this episode's title suggests, Simon and the family finds themselves ringing around the Rosie.

    Overall this episode was much better than I expected. At this rate, I expect that there will be an 11th season...this show is still going strong, even though it wouldn\'t hurt for it to end after this great season (so far). This week\'s was by far better than last week\'s.

    I\'m just going to do a short review b/c I find that my long reviews are tedious and not many people read them anyway:

    Simon - David Gallagher is getting too much screen time. Anyone else agree? I mean I\'m very glad that he\'s back full-time, very glad that Simon\'s not just focusing on sex anymore, but it\'s still too much for some reason. It\'s like every other scene has Simon in it these days. Simon or Rose that is. I love the character of Simon, but let\'s focus a little more on Daddy Kevin (even though I can\'t stand George Stults; the guy is barely getting any screen time), or Ruthie! I mean I know last week\'s episode was devoted to Ruthie, but it seems like the past four episodes have been devoted to Simon and Rose! Let\'s use a little bit less Rose; a little more Kevin, Ruthie, Eric/Annie perhaps?

    The engagement ring was so farfetched and unrealistic. And Rose didn\'t even say thank you, jeez. Rose was much more annoying in this episode. She was almost starting to grow on me, and then she just had to act all...like Rose. I didn\'t like that.

    Ruthie - Not much, but man did I like that scene w/ her and Annie! It\'s about time for a mother/daughter talk. And Annie finally got to the root of Ruthie\'s problems, something Eric couldn\'t do. So that\'s why Ruthie\'s obsessed with Jack...to get to Martin. I have to say I honestly didn\'t see that one coming. I thought she really liked Jack, even though I couldn\'t understand why. But now I do. And I love the storyline; and Ruthie was so much more tolerable in this episode. But what was with the ending where Eric nearly choked at the idea of Ruthie and Martin dating? I thought he wanted those two together. They would make a good couple.

    Lucy/Kevin - Well Lucy was really amazing in this episode. The father/daughter scene was so well done. Lucy\'s counseling session w/ Lizzie went so much better than I expected, probably better than some of Eric\'s counseling sessions.

    As for the Lucy/Kevin argument, it was way too short. Arguments don\'t get resolved that easily, especially since Kevin did technically lie to her by hiding important news from Lucy. I really wish they had expanded this storyline and reduced Simon and Rose\'s role for once. We need to see Kevin and Lucy working things out as a couple, not always individually.

    And why not show Savannah crawling? That would have been a great scene.

    Martin - The end scene was so touching, in my opinion, and Tyler Hoechlin did a fantastic job, better than usual, I must say! I think we\'re all getting the idea now that Martin in fact DOES care what\'s going on, he\'s just very disappointed w/ himself that he can\'t even bring himself to say what he\'s done. Like I said in another thread, Sandy needs to chill and give him some time. She always has the option of getting an abortion if this pregnancy is so inconvienent for her.

    I\'m really glad the writers are redeeming Martin\'s character a little bit, by finally suggesting that he does care. Martin has always been my favorite character since the 8th season b/c we\'re the same age and we used to have the same personality. Now I can see where the writers are going with this...Martin seems genuinely sorry, whereas Sandy seems to think this is a game or something, by forcing Martin to be there for her every step of the way. Hello...give the guy at least two weeks before you force him to marry you and attend birthing classes with you! Jeez.

    Anyway, overall I thought this episode was VERY good. The twins storyline, however, was completely lame. Honestly is relationships all they have on this show? Is it that hard to show the twins doing some kind of sport, or in school, or something besides dating? Gosh, they\'re six years old for crying out loud! I understand the confusion about marriage and wanting a girlfriend to be w/ for the rest of your life, but not at 6 years old. Maybe 9 or 10. This storyline was completely a waste of time, in my opinion. And David really needs to get his hair cut, b/c the long shaggy hair isn\'t good at all.

    I\'m personally glad Meredith wasn\'t in this episode; and I hope that when Martin and Ruthie DO get together, she\'ll be out of the picture. She\'s a fine actress, but completely irrelevant as a regular.

    As for next week, Matt\'s back! Yay! Hopefully w/ an update on medical school and Sarah. It would be so nice to see Carlos again, and have a family episode again. Anyway can\'t wait for next week\'s episode! Looks very dramatic!

    Once again I must say, if 7th Heaven keeps this up, the chances of an 11th season are VERY high. Not one episode yet has been even close to terrible, whereas this time last year we were watching a crappy bird storyline and Aaron Carter on our screens. What a BIG difference. Keep up the good work, 7th Heaven!



    - Simon, once again, please dump Rose. No one likes her. We all want her to go.

    - I can\'t express how much I LOVED the scene at the end b/w Martin and Lucy. It was great job, especially on Tyler Hoechlin\'s part.

    - Savannah\'s crawling now? Come on writers, SHOW this stuff! Stop w/ the dialogue, start showing this stuff.

    - I can\'t wait for Matt next episode! The next episode looks like it\'s going to be really good.moreless
  • After not even bothering to review Mama's Gonna Buy You a Diamond Ring, I'm back.

    I already posted a review in the 7th Heaven forum, so I'll try not to have this be merely a carbon copy. I thought this was the best episode so far this season. I am fully aware that we are only four episodes in, but that doesn't change how I feel. Like with any episode (not just for this show, but for any show), it wasn't flawless, but there's no such thing as perfect right?

    Eric/Annie: I was glad to finally see Annie doing some parenting. Scenes with Annie parenting have become few and far between these days. The scene with Eric asking Lucy for help was touching. That scene had shades of the relationship those two had with each other way back when. Now onto the bad. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out why Eric was so shocked to find out that Ruthie was interested in Martin. Let me guess. Eric doesn't want Martin to date Ruthie either. For that matter, I don't think Eric wants Ruthie dating period. Is it his decision though? I don't think so. This isn't the olden days where parents would hand pick who their children would marry based on who they saw fit. Eric should allow Ruthie to date whoever she wants. She should be allowed to make her own mistakes when it comes to dating. That's one way that people learn, by making mistakes. Then, there's the Rose issue. I'm kind of torn on the Rose issue. On one hand, I think Eric and Annie should just butt out and let Simon and Rose be. That is mainly for the aforementioned reason concerning Ruthie. (let him make his own mistakes, yada, yada) On the other hand, I do feel that Eric and Annie DO have a say in the matter because Simon looks to Eric for financial support and if Eric isn't pleased, he could just pull the plug on the financial support.

    Kevin/Lucy: What I seriously don't get is why Lucy was so surprised Kevin was shot at? I mean being a police officer, getting shot at is kind of a big part of the job description. What surprised me is that I thought Kevin and Lucy tell each other everything (as Lucy said in last season's episode "Vote") yet Kevin didn't tell Lucy he quit his job due heavily to him being shot at. I don't feel that the little squabble the two of them had was very realistic, but then again this IS just a tv show. That's ok with me though. The way I see it, we've seen enough of Lucy and Kevin fighting to last us a lifetime, so one less argument is perfectly ok in my books. I think Lucy did a great job counseling Lizzie. It was sweet of her to be there when Lizzie told her parents. I especially loved the last scene of the episode where Martin tells Lucy that he is an expectant father. By far, that was the best scene in the episode in my opinion.

    Simon/Rose: Ugh. Rose is like a boomerang. You throw her out, and no matter how far you throw her, she always comes back. Ok, so maybe that wasn't the best analogy. Some people have commented on them liking Rose and/or Rose growing on them, but in my case, neither are true. I still can't stand Rose, so no change there. I think the root of me not liking Rose surpisingly isn't that she's stubborn, demanding, and selfish (among many other adjectives with a negative connotation), but rather that she pressures Simon into doing things that he wouldn't normally do on his own. Let's face it. Simon has admitted that Rose being Rose makes him do things he wouldn't normally do and THAT is my problem with her. I feel strongly that one should stay true to oneself. In other words, one shouldn't compromise who they are in an attempt to please someone else. One shouldn't let anyone mold, shape, or change him or her. I think we all know who wears the pants (and will wear the pants) in Rose and Simon's relationship, Rose! Rose just moved herself right in without even asking Simon. She's been pressuring Simon to move up the wedding date without so much as discussing it with him or asking for his opinion. They are a couple, and communication is a key to a good relationship. One person can't go around making all the decisions for the couple if the two of them are to have a healthy relationship. Which brings me to why in God's name did Simon get Rose an engagement ring? I thought he didn't have the money. I am sorry but I don't think Rose is worth getting in debt over. I kind of feel that it was a last ditch effort to get Rose to shut up and quit whining, complaining, and pressuring. Like 'I got you a ring, now will you SHUT UP?'

    Ruthie: So Ruthie wanted Eric to tell her that he didn't want her dating that sophomore, Sam. What is it with Camdens and getting someone to break up with their boyfriend or girlfriend. Why can't they just do it themselves? Let's flash forward. Say Ruthie is 40 years old and for whatever reason, she decides to get a divorce. Now is Ruthie going to get her daddy to break the news to her husband? Please say no. Grow up Ruthie! What might help is breaking up with people yourself. That is a part of the growing up process I feel. I loved the scene where Annie finds out the cause of Ruthie's dating problem. In my mind, that was the second best scene of the episode. So Ruthie wants to date Jack because Meredith was dating Jack when Martin noticed her, so Ruthie feels that if she were to date Jack, Martin would notice her. I never saw that one coming. Talk about a wacky plan! I, like many other Martin/Ruthie shippers were glad that Ruthie finally admitted she had feelings for Martin. Now only if the two of them could become a couple. My heart went out to Sam, the sophomore she dumped, because unfortunately for him, he was dumped for superficial reasons. Like Ruthie said, he was a nice guy, but she wasn't looking for nice.

    Martin: I must say that I am glad that Martin's character was redeemed in this episode. I didn't like the direction his character was going as of late. Putting myself in Martin's shoes, I would've probably reacted the exact same way albeit I don't know for sure as nothing that life changing has ever happened to me before. I mean I would have probably had difficulty coming to terms with it at first and would thus refuse to believe it or refuse to admit it. Eventually though, I'd come around and come to the realization that there's no escaping the truth. I personally see Martin as the victim here not Sandy. I mean my heart went out to Martin because this is such a life changing event and it just so happened to be the consequence of just one mistake that he happened to make. Sandy on the other hand, apparently has slept with a myriad of guys. I'm sorry, but with a reputation like that, I can't feel sorry for her. Which leads me to believe that Martin isn't the father. I mean it's been pointed out that Sandy has gotten around so to speak, so maybe just maybe one of these random guys she's had sex with is the father and not Martin.

    Sam/David: I can't believe these two are concerning themselves with girlfriends! They don't even know how to spell girlfriend although I was shocked that they knew that a girlfriend is someone you love and want to marry. I agree with Eric and Annie, you can't buy love. The two or three scenes with the twins in it made me want to bang my head on the wall or something, but I'm sure the Sam/David fans were going "Aww! How cute!" Just for the record, me = NOT a Sam/David fan!

    So while this episode had its not-so-good scenes, the really good scenes in my mind more than made up for that. I am excited to see next week's episode. It should be interesting to see how the Camdens react to Martin's secret seeing as he is not just a close friend of the family, but is practically a part of their family since he did after all live with them for around 2 years. It should also be interesting to see how many of the Camdens find out next Monday. I can't wait.moreless

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    • Sandy: You know, maybe I should talk to your dad about talking to Martin.
      Simon: You can't.
      Sandy: I could.
      Rose: Yeah. Then it might put the fact that we are two responsible adults living together into perspective for him.
      Simon: No! Please. This isn't the trip to bring up Sandy's pregnancy to my dad. It's not going to change the way he feels about our living together. Believe me, it's only going to make it worse. He'll start thinking of our getting pregnant.
      Sandy: No he won't!
      Simon: He might.
      Rose: I'm with her. I don't think it'll make him think that.
      Simon: Can we please keep this between the two of us please? I mean her opinion doesn't really count.
      Sandy: Thanks. A lot. And you know, maybe your opinion doesn't really count. Maybe if I want to talk to your dad, I should just talk to your dad.
      Simon: No,no! Please, don't. I'll call Martin for you. I'll try and get Martin to call you. Okay?
      Sandy: Okay.
      Simon: I just have to get through tomorrow first....

    • Annie: Ruthie thinks that Jack is the first step to going out with Martin.
      Eric: T-That surprises me... That really surprises me.
      Annie: Ok, take a deep breath -- no, take -- take a deep breath. Remember your heart.

    • Annie: Are you crazy? (to Simon about Rose moving into his apartment)

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