7th Heaven

Season 5 Episode 9


Aired Sunday 8:00 PM Nov 27, 2000 on The CW
out of 10
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Episode Summary

There is cause for alarm when the Camdens disapprove of Simon's new group of friends, one of whom insults Annie and Lucy with his chauvinistic remarks. Norton, the kid that Simon befriends is a fan of violent rap whose negative attitude towards women seems to be influenced by misogynist lyrics. At the same time, Eric and Annie confront Simon about his newfound interest in rap music and somewhat misogynist attitude towards women. Heather gets back in touch with Matt, but Matt is unsure of her intentions. He then finds out that she is dating someone else again!moreless

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  • In this episode Simon starts hanging out with a new bunch of guys but they later on insult Annie and Lucy. Simon thinks they are just joking around so he ignores it. Simon finally realizes that what they are doing is wrong so he saves Heather when they atmoreless

    In this episode Simon starts hanging out with a new bunch of guys but they later on insult Annie and Lucy. Simon thinks they are just joking around so he ignores it. Simon finally realizes that what they are doing is wrong so he saves Heather when they attack her. I like this episode because when Simon is talking to Annie at the end of this episode it shows us a different part to Simon. I also find that this episode stands up for women.

  • Awesome episode!

    This episode rocked!

    Simon hangs out with bad people, who listen to bad music. Lucy and Ruthie learn about why some men hate women. Robbie is back and wants to get married to his girlfriend, Cheryl. Heather wants to talk to Matt. John meets Priscilla or as he says, "Miss. Right." Simon's friend, Norton, harasses Annie, Lucy, and Heather. This episode mostly focused on hatred in the world. If it's racism, sexism, or just plain hate, it's all wrong. I totally agree with Eric, Annie, Matt, Lucy, and John about hatred in music. Some lyrics are kinds that you should definately stay away from. Robbie has changed a little since the last time we saw him. This was a great episode and it gets a 10!moreless
  • Simon starts to hang out with the wrong crowd; Ruthie learns a lesson in self respect; Robbie's engaged; Lucy gets called a name; Matt sees Heather, and Annie tells-off a little potty-mouth.moreless

    Just when I thought 7th Heaven had lost its touch, I saw this episode. I really love how it brings attention to the fact that the lyrics in most of the songs out there DO have an affect on our youth (as well as some adults). It also brings attention to the fact that most of the time, women are treated like objects, rather than people. I was about to scream at my television when I saw the scene in the record store ("Oh no he didn't!"), and I applauded Annie's little talk with Simon's friend. I loved the scene when Annie caught Ruthie in her little outfit, and explained to her that she was too smart to wear something like that. It really tells young girls that it's more important to be who YOU are, not who the pop-star is. All in all, a very good episode.moreless
  • LOVE THE 1!

    This I would add to my top 5 favorite 7th heaven episodes. Simons hangs out with bad friends and then those friends assult Lucy and ruthie in the store. Then at the end Simon attacks one of the gangsters and yells at him. Then there is a great storyline at the end. LOVE THIS 1!
Johnny Lewis

Johnny Lewis


Guest Star

Jason Grant

Jason Grant

Dr. Walker

Guest Star

Anthony Burch

Anthony Burch

Clerk #1

Guest Star

Barret Swatek

Barret Swatek


Recurring Role

Andrea Pearson

Andrea Pearson

Priscilla Carter

Recurring Role

Andrea Ferrell

Andrea Ferrell

Heather Cain

Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (1)

    • NITPICK: In this episode Norton is supposed to call Lucy a "bitch", but it was never revealed on TV as the word is block out.

  • QUOTES (11)

    • Simon: (about Norton harrassing Lucy) What do you want me to do about it?
      Lucy: I want you to understand that I'm not a punching bag! I am not a trash can that guys can throw their filthy thoughts or words into. I am a person, Simon. I'm your sister. Do something!

    • Ruthie: Mom, that pimp behind you just called Lucy a bad word.
      Norton: So this is your mother. I see the resemblance, and I like it.
      Kid: So what do you say, Mama?
      Annie: I say you're all pathetic. Go home.
      Norton: Why don't you go home? You don't belong on the streets, cuz you got no respect for me, for no man. Maybe I should teach you some respect.
      Annie: You want a piece of this? I brought 7 kids into this world, I can take one out!

    • Simon: (tackles Norton to the ground after he harasses Heather) You are going to go to my house and apologize to my mother and my sister for what you did, but not before you apologize to Heather. That's my brother's friend. She's deaf, man! How could you?
      Norton: I didn't know she was deaf! Lighten up!
      Simon: You knew she was a person, didn't you?

    • Eric: The only way to get respect from a women, is to give respect to a woman.

    • Eric: Marriage is a big step.
      Cheryl: Yes, a step in the right direction.

    • John: (About Rap music) Don't be looking at me Simon, I'm not gonna help you here.

    • Ruthie: What's a pimp?
      Lucy: It's a person that hates women.

    • Annie: His friend hit Lucy on the derrière!

    • Annie: How can you be like this after being called that name?!

    • Eric: Where did you get those pants?
      Simon: I got them from Matt's.
      Eric: You know where that little fashion trend got started? Prison. You know where you'll end up if you keep wearing your pants like that? Prison!

    • Lucy: Simon, your friend called me a name and slapped me on the butt in the record store.
      Simon: What, you mean Norton? No way, he was just kidding around. Believe me, he couldn't have been serious.
      Lucy: Simon, he slapped me!
      Simon: He didn't hurt you, did he?
      Lucy: Yes, he hurt me! He humiliated me, and that hurt--a lot!

  • NOTES (4)