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Angel Rewatch; ep by ep 5-22 NOT FADE AWAY

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    joxerlives

    [1]Apr 13, 2009
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    With my thanks to Boo who allowed me to adapt his/her review format used in the Buffy rewatch and Keith Topping's excellent fan books Slayer and Hollywood Vampire for inspiration;

    City of Angels

    The Good;

    Impressive opening scenes, funny yet moving. Love Angel choosing the wrong car and very suprising that he doesn't save the girl, at least not the guest star (they use the same time difference trick as they did in Helpless to convince you he will). Especially loved him killing Winters at the end, real vicious stick it in and break it off revenge, great stunt, great effect. Cordy realising that Winter's is a vamp and him initally denying it is also fun.

    The Bad;
    If Winters had all this security at his house how can Angel just walk into his office?


    Best line:
    Angel; Can you fly?


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Winters killing the heroine is very brutal. Also the whole sugardaddy/casting couch scenario shows the stark reality behind the Hollywood glamour.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; 1

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; Doyle rams the gates of the Winter's mansion but they seem suprisingly resilient. Also Angel fails to save the girl.

    In disguise; Angel does his rube in the big city act for the first time

    DB get's his shirt off; in order to allow Doyle and Cordy to remove the bullets. Yeah, right!

    Fang Gang in bondage: no but he knocks out and ties up the guard at the mansion
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: no but Angel knocks out about 4 guys
    Cordy: 6
    Angel: 6
    Wes: 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, � a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: kills 4 vamps in the opening episode which is remarkable as according to Boo's figures he only killed 3 in the whole 3 seasons of Buffy. So that gives Angel 7 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 3


    Characters killed:

    2; Tina and her missing friend Denise (offscreen)

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 4, pumped full of lead by Winter's bodyguards


    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Tina appears to be Winter's kept woman. She describes him as 'liking pain' (his own or other peoples?). Cordy also considers him for a sugardaddy much the same as she'll consider doing later to David Nabbit. Tina offers herself to Angel as a reward for saving her but like the white knight he is he gently turns her down.

    Captain Subtext;

    Oliver at the party considers Angel a 'beautiful man' but only on a professional basis, he's currently in a long term relationship with a landscape gardener. 'Drunk' Angel also gives the appearance of hitting on the guy in the bar.

    Questions and observations;

    Doyle drinks Colt .45 beer, the equivalent of Tennants Extra in the UK, pretty much in keeping with the down at heel nature of his character. First appearance of Lindsey, he and Angel are the only characters who appear in both the first and last eps of the series. Angel goes all Punisher finding his way to Winters, not hesitating to beat and threaten his way to his goal. The series already appearing much darker and more adult than Buffy. Angel's narration is similar to Angelus' in Passion and Whistler's in Becoming. It's also reminiscent of the noir crime fiction set in LA, could easily be the The Black Dahalia or LA Confidential or Chinatown. When I first saw this I wasn't sure if Winters was a vamp or not, the vamp makeup is subtly different but will eventually fall back into resembling that on Buffy once more. Angel was in Montanna during the depression, maybe Spike's line about vampire cowboy wasn't too far off the mark? Angel tells Cordy there's no cure for vamparism but we'll actually find 3 in the first season alone. Cordy refers to Angel having never developed an investment portfolio but he must get money from somewhere, he seems very well to do. The money he and Darla stole from their victims or does he just have loads of bank accounts with 200 years of interest to collect, much like Highlander Angel shows some knowledge of explosives which he'll also use in Dad but according to the dialogue he's seen 14 wars and Vietnam in his time. Nice crossover when he phones Buffy in Sunnydale.

    Marks out of 5; 6/10 good beginning but not compared to the heights Angel will eventually soar to.

    Edited on 09/08/2009 1:46am
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    tjaman

    [2]Apr 14, 2009
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    w00t!
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    joxerlives

    [3]Apr 14, 2009
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    Lonely Heart

    The Good;

    Angel on the singles scene is a joy to behold, another commentary on the reality if life in LA. And Kate!

    The Bad;
    The nightclub actually seems quite hip and not 'stuck in the 80s', better than Henry's.


    Best line:

    Kate; You can go to hell!
    Angel; Been there, done that


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Can you say 'eviscerated'? The nasty has some obvious influence from the Aliens series and some obvious influence from a very bad film called The Hidden which Kyle Maclachlan made before he got famous.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; nope, still 1

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; we think there's a male killer picking in helpless females but that's not the case. Also Angel tries to use his grappling hook only to pull the beam down

    In disguise; no but he poses as a vet which Fred will also pick as a job for him in Dad

    DB get's his shirt off; not this time so that makes 1

    Fang Gang in bondage: no although Kate tries to handcuff Angel
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: no but Kate is
    Cordy: 6
    Angel: 6
    Wes: 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 7 vamps, 2 demons, 1 human.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 3

    Characters killed: 7 including a couple offscreen

    Total; 9

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot: no although Kate shoots at Angel, shoots the lock out with her backup gun and shoots the bartender at the end.
    Angel: 4,

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    On a scale of one to incredible exactly how gorgeous is Kate? No shortage of beautiful women in the Buffy/Angelverse but even so! Hard to imagine her in a cop's uniform (although I'm sure many have with the fanfic to prove it). Only in LA could the character of Sharon be called 'dowdy'. Now, of course this ep was originally known as Corrupt and was much darker in tone. It concentrated largely on Kate who was posing undercover as a prostitute but had gotten too far into her role and was actually having sex with her clients (sounds like the plot of some late night Channel 5 film). The studio said no and the series is probably the better for it (although we still have an oblique reference to sexual dysfunction). Unfortunately this meant we lost this rumoured scene.

    Cordy (posing as a streetwalker, approaching a group of hookers on a corner) "Hello fellow prostitutes, how's tricks?"

    Hooker; if you're living the life I'm Julia Roberts!"

    Even so she's still mistaken for a prostitute at the club and will interview a bunch of them in Carpe Noctem. Presumably the scene in the opening titles with the lovely girl in the bikini top getting into the sports car also comes from this sequence. Angel also get's propositioned by a girl who get's turned on by him hitting people. Doyle examines one of Cordy's bras which she thinks is 'So high school'. Kate refers to herself as a 'self flagellating drunken slut'. Doyle uses internet porn. Cordy and Doyle slumber on each other's shoulder.

    Captain Subtext;

    For the second time in 2 eps Angel is mistaken for hitting on a guy in a bar. Cordy also says she's a student of humanity and can tell one of the clubbers is a 'closet dyke'. Weird she never twigged Willow, huh?

    Questions and observations;

    The guy who is the third victim says he was a real 'something is out there' geek, a reference to the X-files I almost missed. There's also 'High school's over' which might be a oblique ref to Buffy. Angel sitting alone in the dark rather reminds me of how we first see Bruce Wayne in Batman Returns. Angel muses how different the dating scene is to when he was Liam, small town boy getting used to the big city.

    Marks out of 5; 3/5 good ep but Angel still dealing with the case of the week

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    joxerlives

    [4]Apr 17, 2009
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    In the dark

    The Good;

    Spike mocking Angel is excellent, lovely to see Oz and a great rescue and final battle at the pier. Nice end coda too. The Cordy/Oz/Angel scenes are hysterical, as Willow observes both she and Buffy know the love of 2 taciturn men.

    The Bad;
    Very little, strong ep. Boy Spike is dumb but funnily so. Everyone at the pier seems to take the 2 guys jumping off the end on fire very calmly.


    Best line:
    Doyle (to Angel); Long time between sunsets huh?


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Well, Angel get's tortured to nearly death for the majority of the episode. Spike also hints that Marcus has an interest in the kids beyond just eating them. Reputedly this is the ep that got the Angel season 1 dvd boxset an 18 rating in the UK. I don't disagree but what makes this worse than 'Hellbound' which only got a 15 rating?


    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; yep, that makes 2

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; rather than play the unbreakable tough guy Angel admits that with a little more torture he'd have told Marcus everything. Cordy notes the Gem isn't in the freezer or toilet tank as it would be in the movies.

    In disguise; no

    DB get's his shirt off; no but we get some torso action, Marcus commenting he has 'little external damage'.

    Fang Gang in bondage: yep, Angel for virtually the whole ep
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 5
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 6
    Angel: 6
    Wes: 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: Another vamp for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 2 demons, 1 human.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 3

    Characters killed: only Marcus

    9;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot: no
    Angel: 4,

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Spike refers to Buffy as 'slutty the vampire slayer' and teases Angel over Buffy's affair with Parker.

    Captain Subtext;

    Spike's speech on Angel is full of homophobia. He also asks if Angel and Marcus would like to be alone when running his hands over Angel's naked torso. Spike comments that Buffy is 'cute when she's hurting', you wonder did he always have a thing for her? Such a shame we never get to meet Doyle's wonderfully named friend 'Frankie Tripod'.

    Buffy characters appearing in Angel; (unless someone can correct me no original Angel character ever appears on Buffy?)

    4; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike

    Questions and observations;

    Why does Angel grab his neck when Marcus puts the chain around it? Surely he doesn't breathe? Marcus wears glasses which presumably like Dalton in Buffy are for sentimental reasons. Doyle has read Angela's Ashes and it reduces him to tears (the novel focuses on the shiftless father so it may appeal to Doyle who never knew his). Angel once again beats his way to what he wants, without Buffy's influence he tends to be a lot more brutal. It's a great performance from Kevin West who is a very familar face on TV (although I thought he was in Scrubs and Ally McBeal but he isn't, that's Robert Clendenin another actor with a similar look). Marcus wears a Bond villain's Nehru jacket. Angel knows Doyle's mother. This is Angel investigations first walk-in client and her problem for once is just a very human jerk ex-boyfriend rather than anything supernatural. Ok so the ring makes vamps unkillable, even if you cut their heads' off?

    Marks out of 10; 7/10

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    joxerlives

    [5]Apr 19, 2009
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    I fall to pieces

    The Good;

    Great horror concept, you could almost imagine a feature film based upon it, some excellent emotional stuff too and as always Cordy brings the funny. My favourite scene is where Meltzer throws his teeth at Angel and then recoils in pain as Angel smashes them against the wall.

    The Bad;

    The severed limbs scenes don't really convince, when you see Thing in The Adams Family it's much better

    Best line:
    Cordy; "Here's this poor girl, she hooks up with a doctor. That's supposed to be a good thing!"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Virtually all of the Beast with Five Fingers stuff


    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; yep, making 2. However, Doyle says there's 4 in total and 3 very much alive, Presumably the girl from City of Angels is the dead one and the girl from In the Dark is another making 2 more we don't see.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    In disguise; 1. Angel poses as a successful businessman but no disguise

    DB get's his shirt off; not this ep so still 1

    Fang Gang in bondage: no
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: all of them
    Cordy: 7
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 1 human for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 2 demons, 2 humans.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 3

    Characters killed: the poor cop Kate sends to guard the building

    10


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot: Angel with the tranquiliser gun (as with Dopplegangland in Buffy why not use that to knock vamps out then cut their heads off?)
    Angel: 5,

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    What the heck do Meltzer's hands do under the sheets?

    Captain Subtext;

    Doyle admits that Angel holds a certain attraction to him

    Know the face, different character; 1

    Andy Umberger who plays Dr Meltzer is also D'Hoffryn on Buffy.

    Parking garages; seemingly a staple of the series, one here and in COA

    2

    Questions and observations;

    This is the 4th ep of the series and we're told that Cordy has been working for him for a month so this suggests the series is in real time, one ep per week. Angel drinks coffee now, presumably to keep him up for his cases as he told Joyce he didn't drink it in The Prom. Isn't it a bit unpatriotic for Doyle to drink Scotch, shouldn't he drink whiskey with an e? Cordy gives the Angel Investigations motto 'We help the hopeless'. Oddly here Cordy 'Scullys' Angel, suggesting a non-supernatural solution. He's actually open to the suggestion but points out correctly that Doyle has a vision. Angel just appears to be able to walk into Kate's police station no problem at all. Meltzer actually shows a lot of compassion for Angel's story of his wife. I don't know if it's deliberate but Scrubs has a character called Dr Zeltzer who's also a major weirdo and even looks quite like Dr Meltzer.

    It's noticeable that at this stage of Angel the supernatural underworld is just that, it's not out in the open as it will be later, we're still dealing with the everyday clashing with the incredible.

    Marks out of 10; 8/10 one of the best eps of season 1

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    TwistedConverse

    [6]Apr 19, 2009
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    One of the best episodes of Season 1? Really? IMO one of the worst of the entire show.
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    tjaman

    [7]Apr 19, 2009
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    I was just disappointed by this entry myself. Clearly you got a different vibe from it, but yeah. A guy with the spiritual discipline to deconstruct seems like a bad candidate for a stalker and a murderer. I'm not saying people can't become obsessed with absolutely anything, but it's hard to imagine that he can then also levitate his eyes.
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    joxerlives

    [8]Apr 20, 2009
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    I think in terms of the 'case of week' Angel it's the best, great concept. It just doesn't compare to the later arc stories

    Rm w/a vu

    The Good;

    Everything, an emotional rollercoaster for Doyle and Cordy and the introduction of Phantom Dennis. Great performance from Beth Grant, a great actress you can also see in Speed, Six Foot Under, Donnie Darko etc

    The Bad;

    Bit of a reach that the ghost can do a perfect imitation of Angel's voice, is she the Terminator or something?

    Best line:

    Cordy (of Angel) "Do you have mousse? Of course you do!"


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Doyle's hand getting jammed in the drawer, Cordy almost getting hanged, Maude Peirson walling her son up.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; nope, 2.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    In disguise; 1.

    DB get's his shirt off; wet, dripping and nearly naked 2

    Cordy's tatto; our first glimpse

    Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy almost hung, don't think thats counts
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: yep, Cordy
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 3 demons, 2 humans.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: possessed Cordy
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 3

    Characters killed: Dennis and a trio of the flat residents offscreen

    14


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot: loads of gunplay but no
    Angel: 5,

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Maude calls Cordy a tramp and streetwalker, good thing they didn't go through with the storyline of Corrupt huh?

    Captain Subtext;

    Know the face, different character; 1

    Parking garages;

    2

    Guantanamo bay;

    Once again Angel doesn't hesitate to beat his way to the answers

    Questions and observations;

    Excellent ep with loads of good scenes and some real emotional impact, easily one of the best of season 1. I for one find it heartbreaking that Cordy has only five names in her LA phonebook and 3 are crossed out. Aura, her Sunnydale friend is the girl who finds the corpse in her locker in Welcome to the Hellmouth on Buffy.

    Marks out of 5; 8/10

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    [9]Apr 20, 2009
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    I like how the marks out of 5 are actually out of 10

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    joxerlives

    [10]Apr 20, 2009
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    Yeah, another forum only accepts marks out of 10 so I had to switch

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    joxerlives

    [11]Apr 21, 2009
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    Sense and sensitivity

    The Good;

    Very funny to watch the cops acting supersensitive but also affecting to see Kate's father and all his little putdowns of her and her emotive speech is a heartbreaker if there ever was one

    The Bad;

    Hard to put your finger on it but sometimes this ep feels almost too clever for it's own good

    Best line:

    Angel "My parents were great, tasted a lot like chicken" (and as we later learn he's not joking)


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Nasty the way little Tony keeps calling Kate a bitca

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; yep 3.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; supersensitive cops rather than the macho LAPD we're used to seeing

    In disguise; 2. yep, Herb Saunders from Baltimore again

    DB get's his shirt off; 2

    Cordy's tatto;2

    We see it when she's breaking into the police station.

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 4 demons, 2 humans. It looks like the thing that attacks Fred in Supersymmetry

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: supersensitive Angel
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 4

    Characters killed: on cop shot although we don't know if he dies?

    14


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 5,

    Packing heat; unlike the Sunnydale Scoobies Angel Investigations periodically resort to firearms, here Doyle with a shotgun

    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Kate wants to picture Angel in his underwear. Kate observes the crush of Doyle on Cordy. One of the cops states that the stress of his job makes it impossible for him to make love to his wife. AI group hug.

    Captain Subtext;

    Kate's dad comments that its been so long since he's seen her with a guy he suspected she might be gay Angel is once more referred to as a 'Nancy boy'. Angel calls CC 'precious'.

    Know the face, different character; 1

    Parking garages;

    2

    Guantanamo Bay; Kate's interrogation technique leaves a little something to be desired. Angel beats up another of WR&H's lackey. Trevor comments that in his day they didn't need sensitivity as anyone who read Elmore Leonard knows. Cordy's mum calls for her, one of the few references to her family in the series. Angel uses a mobile phone and night vision. Our first sight of WR&H's HQ and Lee. You've got to hand it to the sensitivity coach, he has a point about Kate and co. How lovely does Kate look in her dress? Rather similar to Dawn's in season 5?

    Questions and observations;

    Could have been great but just lacks that certain something? Nice to have Kate ask Angel for help and be the focus of the ep. First appearance of Lee. We're later told that WR&H 'own' the police but obviously not yet.

    Marks out of 10; 4/10

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    joxerlives

    [12]Apr 23, 2009
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    The Bachelor Party

    The Good; a lovely ep for Doyle adding a lot more depth to his character whilst providing some pretty gruesome comedy. Also like Doyle and Angel vetting CC's date, really gives them a sense of family.

    The Bad; SUCH a shame we never see Harry again, that would have been terrific. Does she even know Doyle died?

    Best line:

    Cordy; "Doyle taught 3rd grade. The kind with children. Are you sure he wasn't just held back and that was his cover story?"

    I also like Harry's aghast "Stripper! There was a stripper?"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Eating brains? Yuck! Would anyone really like Quails' tongues?

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; nope, 2.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; friendly demons for the first time

    In disguise; 2.

    DB get's his shirt off; 2

    Cordy's tatto;2

    Cheap Angel; the first sign of Angel's notorious meaness as he refers to the resteraunt's suprisingly expensive windows


    Fang Gang in bondage: Doyle in the box
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 2 vamps for Angel. So that gives Angel 10 vamps, 3 demons, 2 humans.

    Doyle; 1 vamp

    What happens to the female vamp at the nest? Does she just run away? Note Cordy actually bites the vamp who attacks her?

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 4

    Characters killed:

    14

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 5,

    Packing Heat

    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy has a date with Mr Armani but he doesn't even get a kiss
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    The stripper. Is she human or demon? Either way she wears WAAAYYYY too much eyeshadow. Also Harry has bought herself a a nightie for her honeymoon small enough to fit into a matchbox. The girls meanwhile play pornographic pictionary. Doyle asks if Buffy likes men with an Irish accent (has she ever met one?). Apparently the demon women have legs that can bend multipile ways and this is an aid in the sack?

    Captain Subtext;

    Doyle and Angel's charm seems to be gradually working on CC.

    Know the face, different character;

    2 Carlos Jacott who plays Richard was Ken in the Buffy ep Anne.

    Parking garages;

    2

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Questions and observations;

    A good episode, fun and fleshing out the characters. Cordy refers to Xander as a fixer-upper. Our first set of friendly demons but not THAT friendly. It seems very much that demons in the Buffyverse are slowly being won over to the ways of humanity (ESPN). Some great heroism from Doyle and a very nice double act from Cordy and Harry. Despite Doyle's relating Angel's lifestory to him in City of Angels it seems he's never actually seen Buffy.

    Marks out of 10; 6/10, good ep

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    TwistedConverse

    [13]Apr 23, 2009
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    I dislike The Bachelor Party. It bores me.
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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [14]Apr 23, 2009
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    Nah, Bachelor Party is fun.

    It's certainly better than I Fall To Pieces.
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    joxerlives

    [15]Apr 23, 2009
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    The Bachelor Party is a pretty weak ep but I think what makes it work is the relationship between Harry and Doyle, it adds depth to his character (unfortunately he's only got 2 more eps to go)

    I Fall to Pieces is probably the best of the Angel 'episode in a bottle' concepts, they then give up on it and start the arcs. For the better I think.

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    joxerlives

    [17]Apr 24, 2009
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    I will remember you

    The Good;

    Love the Oracles to bits, they're just wonderful. Some great fight scenes and pretty much a Bangler's dream come true.

    The Bad;

    If the demon can regenerate and make itself stronger through salt why doesn't it just do that all the time?

    Best line:

    Female Oracle; "I love time, there's so much of it, yet so little"


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; nope, 2.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    In disguise; 2.

    DB get's his shirt off; 3 not only that but SMG licks ice-cream from his chest. Really is a Banglers' dream.

    Cordy's tatto;2

    Cheap Angel; According to CC he's too tight to hire a cleaning lady

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 4 demons, 2 humans.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: human Angel
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 5

    Characters killed: two plant workers but then the day resets so no one

    14


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 5,

    Packing heat;

    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Buffy and Angel for the second time and it goes a whole lot better than the first. Trouble is she'll never remember any of it.
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Loads of Buffy/Angel action. Cordy comments that when they get 'all groiny' the world falls apart.

    Captain Subtext;

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    2

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters appearing in Angel; (unless someone can correct me no original Angel character ever appears on Buffy?)

    5; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy

    Questions and observations;

    Cordy's family used to have a cat as well as her pony. Buffy refers to her (and presumably Dawn?) visiting their dad in LA, the last positive reference to Hank Summers we'll ever have. The only time Doyle and Buffy meet. This eps gives us a useful way in which to make vamps human, much used in fanfic as is the reset day. Question is if a non-souled vamp was hit with Mohra demon blood would it be resouled?

    Marks out of 10; 6/10, literally an ep that never happened?

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    TwistedConverse

    [18]Apr 24, 2009
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    I Will Remember You is the most overrated Angel episode ever. The "I'll never forget" was good, the rest was average. And all that ice cream licking was just cringey.
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    joxerlives

    [19]Apr 26, 2009
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    Hero

    The Good;

    Actually I rated this ep pretty weak until the last 5 minutes when it then became spectacular. Cordy's advertisement idea and the one she films with Doyle are hilarious but ultimately incredibly poignant. Good scene too when the kid tells Doyle his Halloween story.

    The Bad;

    I didn't really dig the demons in peril storyline and I thought the Naiz allegory with The Scourge was a bit thick (nowadays they'd be the Taliban). Also they seem to accept Angel into their ranks a little too easily. Even their vehicles look Nazi-like and DB's hair looks very 1940s.

    Best line:

    Doyle; Is that it? Am I done?


    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Doyle's melting face

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches (Cordy's ad is one big Angel cliche)

    Damsel in distress; nope, 2.

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    The sidekick sacrifices himself to save the day rather than the hero

    In disguise; 3 as a Nazi/scourge

    DB get's his shirt off; 3

    Cordy's tatto;2

    Cheap Angel; 2. Exactly what do all these people owe Angel money for?

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 4
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
    Angel: 2 Scourge for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 6 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp


    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 1
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 5

    Characters killed: the treacherous first mate so we won't count him

    14

    Recurring characters killed;

    1; Goodbye Doyle


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    2, Angel and Cordy

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 5,

    Packing heat;

    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 1?
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    The wonderfully named Big Randy.

    Captain Subtext;

    Doyle imagines Angel in tights.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    2

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters appearing in Angel; (unless someone can correct me no original Angel character ever appears on Buffy?)

    5; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy

    Questions and observations;

    So goodbye Doyle, we hardly knew you. A good ending for the character but all the more sad by Glenn Quinn's death shortly afterwards. Cordy refers to 'one of the cheaper Baldwins' in her description of the advert. I always thought Adam Baldwin was one but according to IMDB no he's not. Angel on a motorbike, Cordy drives a truck, is there no end to her talents? Once again we see demons who are slowly being won over to humanity. The Scourge are trying to stop this but are unwittingly aping human's themselves.

    Marks out of 10; 7/10, a weak ep rescued by it's awesome finale

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    TwistedConverse

    [20]Apr 26, 2009
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    I agree with you- Hero is a pretty poor episode with the exception of the first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes. Plus, the Scourge didn't even make sense. They're apparently pure demon yet we learnt in Graduation Day that pure demons are absolutely huge.
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