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Angel Rewatch; ep by ep 5-22 NOT FADE AWAY

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    TwistedConverse

    [361]Sep 6, 2009
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    Wes/Illyria stuff- 10/10 (Amy Acker was indeed brilliant here)

    The rest was mostly awful, except Ilona Costa Bianchi who was hilarious. Oh and I dislike that Darla and Dru's last appearances in the 'verse is a comedy scene and not a very funny one at that. Overall 5/10.
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    Jon_MW_14

    [362]Sep 6, 2009
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    Wes and Illyria made this episode watchable. I give them a 10/10 too. I didn't much care for Spike and Angel in this episode. They were boring. Overall I give the episode a 7/10.
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    ___Mr_Nasty___

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    Brilliant episode all the way through. 9/10
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    joxerlives

    [364]Sep 7, 2009
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    I guess it all depends on what you watch Angel for?

    POWER PLAY

    The Good;

    Drogan and Illyria play Crash Bandicoot. Angel reveals his devious side and Illyria starts to embrace her humanity.

    The Bad;

    When Angel arrives at WR&H's offices it's night but when he walks into his office it's day. Angel threatens Lorne with a neck hold but we know Lorne can be decapitated and survive? But maybe that's the point?

    Best line;

    Lindsey; "They're a secret socitey"

    Gunn; "Never heard of them"

    Lindsey; "That's because they're SECRET!"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Drogan tortured and killed is horrible. Also nasty to see Marcus pounding Illyria.

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Angel kills Drogan!

    In disguise; 8

    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20

    Cheap Angel; 8

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8

    Gunn; 8

    Lorne; 6

    Fred; 5

    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 4

    Lorne; 8

    Groo; 1

    Connor; 1

    Faith; 1

    Fred; 7

    Spike; 5

    Kills; Illyria kills the demon, Angel kills Drogan

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 13 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.

    Groo; 1 demon

    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies

    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine

    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite

    Fang Gang go evil: we almost think Angel does
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3

    Gunn; 1

    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12

    Fred; 3

    Wes; 1

    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1

    Lorne; 1


    Characters killed: 4 civilians plus Drogan

    2269

    Recurring characters killed; Drogan

    13

    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Illyria goes hunting with Spike, starting to become one of the gang

    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15

    Wes; 2

    Spike; 1

    Packing heat; Wes confronts Angel with a shotgun but Angel takes it off him

    Wes; 14

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 5

    Gunn; 3

    Fred; 5

    Notches on the Scooby bedpost; Angel beds Nina, possibly the healthiest relationship he ever actually has?

    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina

    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred

    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.

    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes

    Groo; 1Cordy

    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:

    Nina rumages in her bedside drawer for her stake. She finds something similar in shape and size but declares 'That's not a stake'? (does it take batteries, perhaps?). She refers to Angel's Rome friend and worries he was thinking of her (another petite blonde with supernatural abilities). Angel has obviously rocked her world to judge by her remarks, she agrees with the Furies. Oddly she suggests that Angel makes love on the beach 'by himself'? Illyria states that she and Wes are no longer having intercourse which Spike misunderstands.

    Captain Subtext;

    Spike empathises with Illyria and they develop quite a nice relationship so late in the day. Is the demonic female senator aiming to be president in 2008 a parody of Hilary Clinton? Angel refers to him and Spike being intimate once but he may be referring to the events of 'Just Rewards'. Spike refers to frat boys paddling each other's behinds to prove their manhood.

    Know the face, different character; 7

    Parking garages;

    10,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Drogan tortures the demon assassin whilst Angel sacrifices him for the greater good. Angel says that Lorne was amoral in his running of Caritas, he has a point. The gang want to torture Lindsey again but don't have to.

    Buffy characters on Angel; 17

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;

    Stacey Travis who plays the Senator was in a great old low budget Brit sci-fi movie called Hardware along with a pre-Hamburger Hill/The Practice Dylan McDermmott. Did Marcus Hainsley install her in that body? Drogan is apparently over 1000 years old and linked to the Watcher's Council. According to the comics Nina does stay in LA for the apocalypse. Nina says that Angel is a bad liar but as events prove he's actually brilliant. Illyria wishes she was still in the Deeper Well. Marcus and Drogan are old acquaintances. Flashback to CC the last we'll see of her. Did you notice the Senator's election rival is Joss Whedon?

    The Circle of the Black Thorn very Halloween 6. They're an obvious convenient story twist to give the series some closure in just a few eps but it's a fascinating invention. Do they represent the executive board of the WB? Does Marcus buy Angel's act or is he always suspicious?

    Marks out of 10; 7/10

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    Jon_MW_14

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    The episode was a little boring. I liked Illyria in this episode. 7/10.
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    joxerlives

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    Boring? REALLY?

    And so it ends, a series that started for me 17 years ago when I went to see the original Buffy movie in the cinema ends tonight with the final ep of Angel."If we should meet again we shall drink deep and laugh long err this rememberance. And if we should not, then this is a parting well made"

    NOT FADE AWAY

    The Good;

    The last day for the staff of Angel Investigations (especially poignant for Lorne/Andy Hallet who sings a wonderful version of 'If I ruled the world'. The final battles, Illyria and Lindsey in particular making great entrances. The twists in the tale. Also it's a small scene but love Harmony and Angel's little heart to heart, so very different but so very alike, Harmony actually misses being human a little but she's still evil.

    The Bad;

    Why didn't Joss do a commentary for the last ep of one of his finest creations? Richard Burton is a Welsh actor, not English. Angel says he doesn't remember what it was like to be human but he was human only 4 years ago in 'I will remember you' which was more recently than Harmony was (or was he leading Harmony on?). Jeff Bell's right, the cloaks the Fell Breathren wear make them look like football players on the bench.

    Best line; plenty to choose from, best written shows on TV and they saved some of the best until last;

    Angel; (getting pounded by Marcus) "Kinda hoped the fight would be going a little better"

    followed by

    Connor (punching Marcus and sending him flying) "Care about that dress for less!"

    then

    Marcus "I am a child of the Senior Partners, their strength flows through my veins, my blood is filled with their ancient power"

    Angel (vamping out and biting him) "Can you guess the one word you shouldn't have mentioned?"

    plus

    Eve; "Are you sure you can handle the Sharvin?"

    Lindsey; "They're sending me out with karaoke boy, how dangerous can it be?"

    (oh the irony!)

    Lorne; (shooting Lindsey) "I've heard you sing!"

    and

    Angel; (as WR&H collapses) "Time to go!"

    Eve; "Go WHERE?"

    also where else on TV would you get the line, Angel "The Fell Breathren, I want the baby returned to its' mother and the foster family dismembered"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Illyria makes trophies of the bad guys spines, glad we didn't get to see the eyeball thing! Gunn gives the demon Senator a splitting headache. Illyria gives Vail the mother of all uppercuts. Angel gets his own pen through his hand. It's a disgusting line but always makes me laugh, Vail "I crap better magic than this"

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Lorne kills Lindsey, the clown becomes a tragic figure, much as in King Lear, his leaving incredibly poignant. We think Lindsey might actually be redeemed in typical Angel fashion but instead he gets two in the chest.

    In disguise; 8

    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20

    Cheap Angel; 8

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8

    Gunn; 8

    Lorne; 6

    Fred; 5

    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 4

    Lorne; 8

    Groo; 1

    Connor; 1

    Faith; 1

    Fred; 7

    Spike; 5

    Kills; Angel kills Marcus, Sebassis and the Pee-Pee demon. Illyria finally in the gang and kills Izzie, 3 humans(?) and Vail. Gunn kills the demon Senator and at least 2 of her vamps. Spike kills at least 3 of the Fell breathren. Lorne, who in 4 years of the most violent show on TV never killed anything kills Lindsey.

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons- 9 kills including those on Buffy
    Angel; 48 vamps, 74 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 14 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg- 144 kills including those on Buffy
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs-32 kills

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.- 34 kills including those on Buffy

    Gunn; 13 vamps+ 16 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.- 35

    Groo; 1 demon

    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies-22

    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine-26

    Spike; 21 vamps, 15 demons+1 human+one parasite-38

    Illyria; 1 devil, 3 humans and whatever Cyrus Vail is?-5

    Lorne; 1 human

    so in the course of 5 seasons AI kill over 300 beings and they're the good guys! Most violent show on TV by a long chalk!

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3

    Gunn; 1

    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12

    Fred; 3

    Wes; 1

    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1

    Lorne; 1


    Characters killed:

    2268

    Recurring characters killed; goodbye Wes. Gunn, Spike, Lorne etc have all made incredible emotional journey's over the course of the show but when you think how Wes first appeared in his Buffy debut 'Bad Girls' and how he dies here the contrast is INCREDIBLE! Yet totally believeable, a tribute to both writers and actor.

    Perhaps I should include Lindsey too? But ultimately Angel believes he's evil and Lorne agrees having heard him sing. I'm not sure if he's evil per se as just ruthless in the pursuit of what he wants and jealous of Angel? If Angel hadn't taken over WR&H would he ever have come back to LA? Both he and Angel ignore the advice they gave each other at the end of Dead End and both pay for it.

    People have pointed out that the only characters to feature in both the first and last eps of Angel;TS are Angel and Lindsey. But actually, excluding Buffy guest stars, the only regular or recurring characters to survive from the first season of the show to the end of the last episode are Angel, a dying Gunn and Kate who's off being an Assistant DA in New York.

    14-Angel kills off a regular or recurring character every 7-8 episodes, like Buffy, the most ruthless show on TV

    Total number of Angel Investigations; 6 with Illyria finally coming on board for the final battle but down to 4 in the end with Wes dead and Lorne gone.

    Angel, Gunn, Illyria, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15

    Wes; 2

    Spike; 1

    Packing heat; Lorne kills Lindsey with a silenced pistol

    Wes; 14

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 5

    Gunn; 3

    Fred; 5

    Lorne; 1

    Notches on the Scooby bedpost;

    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina

    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred

    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.

    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes

    Groo; 1Cordy

    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:

    Harmony and Hamilton get it on, Harmony gorgeous in her undies as Playboy fans can attest to. Wes wonders if he should spend his last day with Mistress Spanksalot, is she the person he referred to with the handcuffs in Over the Rainbow? Whilst Spike wows the crowd with his poem dedicated to Cecilly/Halfyrek you wonder what they made of 'The Wanton folly of my mum"?

    "You gave me life,

    I sired you,

    You claimed that I,

    Desired you

    You begged me so to take you

    Appalled I then did stake you..."

    Connor wonders if it's the werewolf side of things that attracts Angel to Nina and asks if there's "Fur flying". Connor now remembers his fling with Cordelia and thinks it 'Inappropriately erotic'. Lindsey comments that Eve is the one thing of his Angel never got his hands on, she doesn't seem to have told Lindsey about her Halloween tryst with him.

    Captain Subtext;

    Illyria starts to show feelings for Wes and Gunn, maybe too late for both. Angel gives Marcus a hell of a hickey! When Angel boasts to Connor about his nice handwriting Connor replies "You girl!" Nice little goodbyes between Wes and Gunn, Wes and Angel and Lorne. Angel tells Sebassis that if he wants to kill Spike then they may have to kiss. Angel tells Lindsey "I want you" but both decide he should rephrase that remark. Illyria-as-Fred refers to Wes as 'My Wesley', just as Lilah calls him in 'Home'.

    Know the face, different character; 7

    Parking garages;

    10,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Angel and co discover that all the evil in the world is run by this secret society and decide to change things by slaughtering each and every one of them and to hell with the consequences! Angel's method of killing Sebassis is particularly clever, a real Keyzer Soze moment.

    Buffy characters on Angel; 17

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Plenty of fanfic concentrating on what happened after the final fadeout. Buffy and co showing up and annihilating the demon armies as part of Angel's trap a firm favourite or Angel zapping them all into another dimension which is why he chose the old magic alley where Connor was born etc. Plenty of Buffy/Angel live happily ever after fic and just as much Buffy/Spike. Also read a couple of nice ones about Harmony, one where she opens up Angel's reference for her, reads it out loud and promptly bursts into flames due to the spell concealed in the wording and one where she opens it up, reads it out loud and promptly get's her soul restored by the same.

    Oh, plus Wes and Mistress Spanksalot

    Missing scenes;

    Now if you read the comics Angel defeats WR&H's armies by convincing the dragon to change sides and then saves Gunn by vamping him as he did with the sailor Lawson in 'Why we fight'. He and the others then make their way through post-apocalyptic Hell-on-earth-LA with ghost Wes as his advisor.

    Questions and observations;

    Angel turns the power of the senior partners against them, taking the power of Marcus' blood and using it to defeat him. Does this now mean that Angel is a child of the senior partners? What happens to Eve? Does she survive the fall of WR&H? Where does Lorne go, back to Pylea?

    Whenever I watch the last ep of Buffy I always drink a bottle of champagne at the end. Don't do that with Angel, it has a different vibe to it. But just as good! Connor goes from a dislikeable character in season 3/4 to an acceptable one in 'Origin' to actually likeable here. So wonderful to see Anne again, lovely touch. So if Angel has signed away his destiny to become human does that mean it's definitely Spike? Is that why Marcus is now prepared to kill Angel? Are Illyria's tears all part of her Fred illusion or are they real and for Wes? Who are the producers Jeff Bell thanks but is not allowed to mention? Spike refers to the 'Manson family' whom he also mentioned in The Yoko factor (their infamous massacre supposedly inspired by the Beatles' song Helter Skelter which was one of Adam's favourites). Gunn refers to Illyria as Blue Thunder. Wes says the first lesson of being a Watcher is to seperate truth from illusion. On TV there's a small thank you scene to the fans at the end of the ep but not on the DVDs.

    Marks out of 10; need you ask? 10/10

    Jeff Bell thanks us for watching the series. No Jeff, thank you and everyone else for making it. Angel and co are still out there slaying the dragon. And so should we be. C'mon everybody let's go to work!

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    TwistedConverse

    [367]Sep 8, 2009
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    10/10.
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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [368]Sep 8, 2009
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    I like this one.

    9.5/10
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    Jon_MW_14

    [369]Sep 8, 2009
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    joxerlives wrote:

    Boring? REALLY?

    Just the beginning of the episode, then it get more interesting near the end of the episode.

    Not Fade Away was an awesome episode. 10/10.

    Edited on 09/08/2009 5:20pm
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    joxerlives

    [370]Sep 9, 2009
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    Well that's all folks, thanks for reviewing with me, it's been a pleasure, see you over in the Buffy section

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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [371]Sep 9, 2009
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    What about the next episode!?
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    lazyjay

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    joxerlives wrote:

    Well that's all folks, thanks for reviewing with me, it's been a pleasure, see you over in the Buffy section


    Thanks for doing your reviews! They've been fun to read, even when I don't comment.
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    joxerlives

    [373]Sep 10, 2009
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    Thanks, you're too kind. Not going to do the comics but if someone else wants to great
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    Shaneburn

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    10/10 on NFA, 9/10 on Power Play.

    Thanks Joxer was a fun read. 10/10 for Joxer!

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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [375]Sep 10, 2009
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    I wasn't talking about the comics.
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    joxerlives

    [376]Sep 11, 2009
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    Shaneburn wrote:

    10/10 on NFA, 9/10 on Power Play.

    Thanks Joxer was a fun read. 10/10 for Joxer!

    Thanks you're too kind

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    Mozart_Eleven

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    9/10 for the last one.
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    MajLorne

    [378]Sep 19, 2009
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    joxerlives wrote:
    Shaneburn wrote:

    10/10 on NFA, 9/10 on Power Play.

    Thanks Joxer was a fun read. 10/10 for Joxer!

    Thanks you're too kind

    Great posts 10/10.

    I just wished I watched this show when it first aired. I finally saw all the seasons 4 and 5 episodes this summer on TNT [thank god for the syndication]. I haven't gotten around to seeing the seasons 1-3 eps yet, but I am now.
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