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    Jon_MW_14

    [121]Jun 24, 2009
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    I love Belonging. I love the last 4 episodes of Angel season 2. I give this episode a 9/10.
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    joxerlives

    [122]Jun 25, 2009
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    A fan of the Pylea arc eh? Numfar, do the dance of joy! A lot of people hated Pylea but I quite like it

    OVER THE RAINBOW

    The Good;

    A fun romp veering unpredictably from the ridiculous to the sublime, not so much the series changing direction as looping the loop and throwing in a barrel roll for good measure. Must be so nice for DB to be able to work in the sun for once.

    The Bad;

    Even the most imaginative set dressing can't hide the cheapness of some of the production qualities. The bit where Lorne goes to see his psychic friend is also blatantly filler (although I love her name, Persia White, sounds like a film noir heroine?)

    Best line: Another Xena reference (see also Disharmony and Halloween on Buffy)

    Gunn; (on being told that Pylea is rife with xenophobia) "Why are they afraid of Xena? I think she's kinda fly"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    A lot of the Pylea stuff especially the hellbeast discecting the guy. We thankfully never see the AI group as a freakishly hybridinized siamese twin, as Gunn observes, horrified "That was a risk!!!?"

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    The guys take on the villagers and for once they lose.

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; 6,

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage: Cordyx2 but the rest of the guys as well
    Cordy: 7
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 5

    Gunn; 2

    Lorne; 1

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 10
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel; 26 vamps, 33 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 3 demons

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 7 vamps+ 2 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:

    37

    Recurring characters killed;

    6;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    4, Angel, Cordy, Wes and Gunn

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 2; Buffy and Darla

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    Cordy as a slave for the second time. If you enjoy seeing beautiful women enslaved, enchained and degraded this is the ep for you. Of course if you enjoy that you should be in deep, deep therapy rather than reading my reviews! Wes has handcuffs or at least knows someone who does (Mistress Spanksalot?). Once again, here's where they miss Kate who could have lent them some.

    Captain Subtext;

    Gunn likes Xena. Now this could either be thought off as kinky dinky (he just likes hot dominant women in leather) or it could have some deeper significance? Pylea strikes you as just the sort of place that Xena and Gabby would clean up.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 16

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    Angel was in the Tower of London at some stage. First real appearance for Fred and Amy Acker does a great job of portraying her impending madness. Also Gavin Parks oozes his Gucci clad self into the show. The scene where Angel leaves the tape for Gunn is very reminiscent of Kurt Russell in The Thing. Angel delighted in the daylight, his joy is lovely to behold.

    Marks out of 10; 6/10, not great in itself but again, promising much

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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [123]Jun 25, 2009
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    Rubbish episode. 2/10
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    TwistedConverse

    [124]Jun 25, 2009
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    I love this episode . I thought the Pylea arc was awesome. I give it a 9/10.
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    Jon_MW_14

    [125]Jun 25, 2009
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    I love this episode too. The Pylea arc is what made me hooked on Angel. I give it a 9/10.
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    joxerlives

    [126]Jun 27, 2009
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    The Pylea arc is really the marmite test for Angel fans, you either love it or hate it. I like it but I'm glad the rest of the series wasn't like this

    THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS

    The Good;

    Angel sees his hair in the mirror for the first time, you always wondered? (I guess Dru always fixed Spike's?) Lovely reveal of WR&H, very clever. Also like the double bluff of Cordy meeting the Groo. All the scenes with Lorne's family are hysterical.

    The Bad;

    Aside from that this seems to be a case of 6 characters rushing about in search of a plot?

    Best line:

    Lorne's mother; "No longer do the dance of joy Numfar"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Angel still enjoys telling the story of cutting Lindsey's arm off, still some bad feeling there obviously.

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    Angel actually enjoys playing the hero, revelling in his (literal) moment in the sun.

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; 6,

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage: Wes, Gunn and Lorne again
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 9
    Wes: 6

    Gunn; 3

    Lorne; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Lorne again
    Cordy: 10
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 2

    Kills: Angel kills 2 demons
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel; 26 vamps, 35 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 3 demons

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 7 vamps+ 2 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil: almost Angel but not quite
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang: demon Angel
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 7

    Characters killed:

    37

    Recurring characters killed;

    6;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    4, Angel, Cordy, Wes and Gunn

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 2; Buffy and Darla

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    Cordy is expected to Com-shuk with the Groo, as Gunn observes "Sounds dirty to me". Obvious sexual attraction between Queen C and Groo, Lorne asks should he call the guards back with their cuffs? Cordy once again in a bikini despite saying she doesn't want to seem 'too easy' for the Groo. Cordy observes it's along time since she Com-shuked and remarks on her propensity to be impregnated by demons "Do I send out some sort of 'Com-Shuk me' vibe?" There's a great t-shirt slogan for you. Even the Groo of course is part-demon but can only mate with humans.

    Captain Subtext;

    Huge beauty and beast vibe between Angel and Fred, Fangel right from the start. Lorne also seems enamoured of Groo so more evidence for the bi vibe. Wes keeps a picture of Cordy in his wallet

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 15

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    Here's the Groo, yay! After being abused and pushed around for the last 3 eps Cordy is now a Queen as she always wanted to be. Some beautiful small details like Cordy's little finger gesture when she tells the constable who wants the 'Most high princess' to feast on AI's blood "You're most high if you think that's going to happen!". Also Cordy reaching out to embrace her friends who walk past her to the food, shades of Indianna Jones (except Angel who makes for the mirror). Wes' idea of a list of demands sent to the Princess sounds reminiscent of Magna Carta.

    Marks out of 10; 7/10

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    TwistedConverse

    [127]Jun 27, 2009
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    I love this episode, give it a 9/10.
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    Jon_MW_14

    [128]Jun 27, 2009
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    I love this episode too and I give it a 9/10.
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    joxerlives

    [129]Jun 28, 2009
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    THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE PLZTH GRB

    The Good;

    The basket scene alone makes this wonderful. All told it's pretty good stuff though, a revolution in three eps.

    The Bad;

    It seems rather contrite that the entire world of Pylea is ruled by this small band of priests and their tiny army.

    Best line:

    Wes; "Why do people keep putting me in charge of things?"

    Gunn; (exasperated) "I have NO idea!". In many ways Gunn is the straight man of Angel Investigations, constantly staggered at the rest of the gangs grand notions.

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Severed Lorne's head, Pylea has a 'mutilation chamber'? Everyone keeps spitting on poor Lorne. The Groo sets his own hand on fire to intinidate Angel before they fight. He feels pain but just overcomes it!

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; Lovely heart to heart between Wes and Angel over the fireside but we later learn that Wes doesn't necessarily believe it, he just needs Angel to.

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; 6,

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage: Angel by Groo
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 6

    Gunn; 3

    Lorne; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel after the fight in the cave
    Cordy: 10
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 1

    Kills: 3 demons for Angel, 3 for Wes, 2 for Gunn and 1 for Cordy

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 2½ demons
    Angel; 26 vamps, 38 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 6 demons

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 7 vamps+ 4 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:

    37

    Recurring characters killed;

    6;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    4, Angel, Cordy, Wes and Gunn

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 2; Buffy and Darla

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    Cordy touches the Groo 'by accident' in the dark. She refers to Groo and her on their wedding night having a 'shared burden lifting' but denies that she has much experience. She doesn't like the idea of Com-shukking in front of the priests. The priests tell Groo that if Angel should win he will ravage and defile Cordy again and again until she has no more screaming in her.

    Captain Subtext;

    Do the Covenant represent the Taliban? Check out the slave-girls expression when Cordy orders her to strip naked. Also check out that Lorne's eyes flicker open to watch. Lorne observes that Groo works out when Cordy rubs him up against him. When Cordy tells Groo she loves him Angel is a little afronted that she doesn't say she loves him too. Gunn's speech at the end neatly sums up post American Civil War history.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 16

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    To judge by his remarks when he and Wes are going to be executed Gunn is a Christian who believes when he dies he'll go to Jesus. CC can scream like a ****c Dr Who companion (as can Dawn, see Shadow). Angel doesn't snore. In demon form he rather resembles the Incredible Hulk. Lorne doesn't have 5 toes on each foot although we don't know how many he does have. Wes is faced with the General's traditional dilemma of having to sacrifice some of his men for the greater good. How do they get Angel's car out of Caritas? Willow at the end is heartbreaking, how much can Alysson Hannigan emote with just her expression?

    Marks out of 10; 8/10 good end to an enjoyable arc but you're keen to get back to LA.

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    ___Mr_Nasty___

    [130]Jun 28, 2009
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    joxerlives wrote:
    good end to an enjoyable arc but you're keen to get back to LA.


    Ugh, that's one of my pet hates; when reviewers predict the audiences reaction instead of just describing their own.

    Also, you spelled the title of the episode wrong. Again.
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    TwistedConverse

    [131]Jun 28, 2009
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    I love this episode . I give it a 9/10. Good way to end Season 2 (e.g. the best season ).
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    Jon_MW_14

    [132]Jun 28, 2009
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    I love this episode too! I found it pretty funny. I give it a 9/10. Like TwistedCoverse said, it's a good way to end season 2
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    joxerlives

    [133]Jun 29, 2009
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    Well you were the one who gave the Pylea arc 2/10 Nasty? And forgive me if my Pylean isn't as good as yours

    HEARTHROB

    The Good;

    Great stuff, once again you feel the Buffy writers are making fun of the whole endless vamp love concept (Twilight/True Blood). Also Lorne's version of 'I left my heart in San Francisco' is WONDERFUL, one of the top three Lorne songs.

    The Bad;

    How many times can we see the same courtyard even if it is redressed?

    Best line:

    Angel (after fighting the demon monks) "Should have gone to Vegas"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; yep, when she bends over to pick up the fire extinguisher during the fight in the hotel lobby

    7,

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 6

    Gunn; 3

    Lorne; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 10
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 1

    Kills: 2 vamps for Angel and one each for Wes and Gunn. Amazingly this is the first vamp Wes ever kills in four years in the Buffyverse. We don't know how many vamps/demons AI killed in the summer but I'll give them one each

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 28 vamps, 38 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 7 demons+1 vamp

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 8 vamps+ 5 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed: the dude Darla kills and a couple of people at the party

    40

    Recurring characters killed;

    6;

    Total number of Angel Investigations: Fred not part of the gang yet, still hiding in her room
    4, Angel, Cordy, Wes and Gunn

    Angel Investigations shot: only Angelus by Holtz and he doesn't count
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 3(?) ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis(?)
    Angel: 2; Buffy and Darla

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    Gunn refers to 'doin it with the demons' but doesn't mean what we think (except for Cordy who regularly seems to 'do it' with various supernatural entities). Speaking of which she's close enough to Phantom Dennis to strip naked in front of him and get some loufa action in the bathtub with him. Cordy thinks her new necklace brings out her breasts, Gunn certainly seems to think so to judge by his expression. Nice 'screwed Darla' gag. Darla says Angelus made her pay for leaving him in an extreme S&M way Wes says Angel doesn't need a lapdance.

    Captain Subtext;

    Hugs all around when Angel comes back, the events of season 2 well and truly forgotten. James and Elizabeth (both regal names) are obviously a proto Spike and Dru (maybe Darla and Angelus needed another couple to make a four at bridge?).

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 16

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    Love to see more of AI in the summer without Angel, they obviously kept busy. Also would have liked to have seen how Gunn coped with a solo case whilst everyone else was at Buffy's funeral. Can't they buy Fred a whiteboard so that she doesn't have to write on the wall? Does Fred really have to invite Angel into the room she occupies in his hotel? Or is Angel just bluffing to reassure her and make her feel at home? Note Angel takes the time to put his coat on before going vamp hunting. James says that Angelus knows no poetry, well he liked Spike's. Or Angel did? Holst is referred to as the foremost vamp hunter, what about the Slayer of the age? Vamps don't really seem to have love as much as twisted obsession but not having souls they can't appreciate that. Cordy's right of course, the human thing for Angel to do is mourn Buffy but continue his life. Surely James can be killed by fire or decapitation? Nice to know that when the chips are down you can rob the handicapped guy of his crutches and it's all ok.

    Marks out of 10; 8/10

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    TwistedConverse

    [134]Jun 29, 2009
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    I like this episode, one of the better season openers. I love the Darla scene at the end. I give it 8/10.
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    Jon_MW_14

    [135]Jun 29, 2009
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    I liked this episode too. I give it a 8/10.
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    joxerlives

    [136]Jun 30, 2009
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    THAT VISION THING

    The Good;

    A real one for Lilah fans, our first sight of Skip and some great acting by CC

    The Bad;

    The brain thing looks fake. It also seems all very unnecessarily complicated to rescue Billy

    Best line:

    CC (about Gavin) "Ok, Satan's toady but that's a NICE suit!"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    You so feel for Cordy as she suffers. Not so much the rebar through the head but Darla slicing her hand makes me wince every time.

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    Darla's "Men are such babies" remark, about some things yes.

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; oh yes

    8

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 6

    Gunn; 3

    Lorne; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Cordy and Lorne
    Cordy: 11
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 2

    Kills: 2 demons for Angel

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 28 vamps, 40 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 7 demons+1 vamp

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 8 vamps+ 5 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:

    37

    Recurring characters killed;

    6;

    Total number of Angel Investigations: Fred doing research and taking care of Cordy, now part of the gang
    5, Angel, Cordy, Wes, Gunn, Fred

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: I'm going to add Phantom Dennis who Cordy will later tell us is 'good with a loufa'.
    Cordy: 3 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis(?)
    Angel: 2; Buffy and Darla

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    'Dick' and 'dong' in the car on the way to get the key. Lilah paws Angel when he's in her office and when he's violent with her it actually seems to turn her on all the more, she keeps pawing. Fred is 'forking with Gunn'.

    Captain Subtext;

    Lorne loves The Sound of Music. But who doesn't?

    Know the face, different character; 3

    Bob Morrisey who plays the demon Dr is also the mad guy who accosts Dawn outside the Magic Shop in The Real Me.

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Angel threatens Lilah and Gavin. Wes and Gunn are quite prepared to kill Billy if WR&H try anything smart. Despite her tough girl image Lilah seems to be genuinely afraid at the end of the ep.

    Buffy characters on Angel; 16

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    CC impressed by Gavin's clothes, what a shame she missed most of season 5 when AI can put their wardrobe on WR&H expense account. I wonder if the makers of The Matrix say this ep? They certainly steal the key gag for the second film. Fred meets Phantom Dennis although she also feels the need to introduce herself in a later ep.

    Marks out of 10; 6/10, pretty good, not totally brilliant

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    TwistedConverse

    [137]Jun 30, 2009
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    I love this episode . I give it a 9/10.
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    Jon_MW_14

    [138]Jun 30, 2009
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    This is the episode where Wolfram and Heart messes with Cordy's visions right? If it is, then I give it a 8/10.
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    joxerlives

    [139]Jul 2, 2009
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    THAT OLD GANG OF MINE

    The Good;

    Angel apologising to Merl is hilarious but this is Gunn's ep. Love Fred singing at Caritas and she shows some steel for the first time.

    The Bad;

    Evidence bags. Hmmm? Are we on CSI or something? Weird how they appear this week as an important part of the plot but then we never see them again.

    Best line:

    Fred; "Oh. Oh! Ohhhhhh!" (all in the delivery)

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    The killing of the balancing entity is particularly gruesome

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

    Human's bad, demons, well if not good not inherently evil

    In disguise; 8

    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cordy's tattoo; 8,

    Cheap Angel; 7

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 6

    Gunn; 3

    Lorne; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 11
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Lorne; 2

    Kills: one demon for Gunn

    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 28 vamps, 40 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 7 demons+1 vamp

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 8 vamps+ 6 demons.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:

    40

    Recurring characters killed; goodbye Merl. Gunn is still haunted by killing his sister which you can't blame him for.

    7;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    5, Angel, Cordy, Wes, Gunn and Fred

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11

    Wes; 1

    Packing heat; Gunn with a shotgun. He seems to object to the gang using Uzis but under his leadership they didn't hesitate to use a flamethrower.

    Wes; 3

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Angel and the Furies
    Cordy: 3 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies

    Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

    Kinky dinky:

    It's implied that Angel beds the three Furies (genuine characters from Greek mythology and very popular on TV at the time also turning up on Xena and Charmed, Piper even becomes one for a while). Singly or all three sisters at the same time? (Every man's ultimate fantasy? Or would that include their milfy mom joining in as well?) He's now happy to do so as after Darla he knows he won't lose his soul because he doesn't love them. Of course this is what we all assume. I read a very funny fanfic once where we learn that the Furies actually dig Angel due to his exquisite foot massage technique.

    Captain Subtext;

    CC describes Fred as 'sweet and adorable'. Lorne describes Gunn as 'sweetie'. The Furies tell Cordelia she is not equipped to pay this debt but I once read a rather good fanfic on the subject which ended in the words "MMMMmmmmm Cordelia!". What exactly did Rondell flee from in Florida? Who is the girl who trusted him to the end? Someone he betrayed or someone who he couldn't save?

    Know the face, different character; 3

    Parking garages;

    5,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 16

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

    Questions and observations;

    Wes saves Fred in Caritas. Wes' new image makes him look like some form of student teacher or something. Surely shooting Lorne would do him no harm if cutting his head off doesn't kill him? One demon keeps saying "Oh god", the other says "He's not listening", weird that demons refer to god.

    Now, are Rondell and the guys right or wrong? When they raid Caritas they kill at least one vamp and a babyeating demon, it's hard to say that's really wrong? The problem is they don't distinguish as AI do. The ending is probably as good as you can get in this dilemma.

    Marks out of 10; 7/10

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    TwistedConverse

    [140]Jul 2, 2009
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    Terrible episode. Gio or whatever his name is must be the most infuriating and annoying character ever on the show. The only good bit about this ep is that Cordy looked amazingly hot.

    3/10.
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