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|All right, let's look at this logically. And what do you think of when you think of logic? Numbers. Numbers=logic. So... |
Buffy season 1: 2.5/5
B season 2: 3.5/5
B season 3: 4/5
B season 4: 3/5
B season 5: 3.5/5
B season 6: 3/5
B season 7: 1.5/5
Angel season 1: 4/5
A season 2: 5/5
A season 3: 4.5/5
A season 4: 4/5
A season 5: 4/5
It would seem, using the the objective and perfect rating system, that Angel is leagues better than Buffy.
I still like BtVS better than Angel, although Angel is almost as good. I'm only up to season 4 of Angel but here's my take.
S4=3/5 (so far)
Anyway to put it simply I just liked the characters in BtVS a little better.
Interesting take. I'd argue that season six of Buffy was the darkest of all the seasons of the two shows combined--and, uh, did you see how WILLOW changed in the later years of Buffy? Not just Spike and Buffy (though they sort of became the primary cast).
And as a male, I certainly enjoyed Buffy more. I simply enjoy the character study-style of Buffy more than the story-driven Angel format, though I do like that as well. Angel had more action sequencing I think, but if I wanted to simply watch some flashy fight scenes, I'd pop in a copy of the Matrix trilogy (which I don't own).
|I find it hard to seperate the two. My favourite character in the Buffyverse is Angel - but do I credit that to his appearances on AtS or his creation on BtVS? Same goes for Cordy. Both shows had their good points and bad points, good episodes and bad episodes. I think that Angel was more consistent than Buffy, but the latter reached higher levels of greatness at times - Innocence, Hush, Restless, Season 3 (but then again also greater levels of suckiness - Bad Eggs, Where the Wild Things Are, Wrecked, Season 6). Angel created its own awesome characters like Fred, Gunn, Lorne, Lilah, but Buffy had its own set of awesome characters, plus it created three (later four) of Angel's main characters. BtVS had some sucky characters like Riley or Dawn on occasions, but AtS had Connor. They're not like Doctor Who/Torchwood, they can't be easily seperated. The share many characters, they crossed over a lot, and they are aimed at very similar audiences. You could say that AtS is darker, but I'm not sure that's 100% true, just look at S6 of BtVS. |
I just view them as one big show, and love them equally.
wow i thought i reply on this already i guess not.after watching all seasons of both shows.i have to say angel is better.
dont get me wrong btvs was really good but at times it could get alittle girlie and as a guy it kind of got annoyingwhich was kind of wired .with angel it had more of a male point of view on things rather than a woman point of view on things.angel is better than buffy.
on other note i like btvs characters alot more than angels characters and i i like angel storyarchs better than btvs storyarchs.
so angel better than btvs.
i do like angel stories better
i like btvs characters better
well i think buffy was better for somethings while angel was better for others. I cant really say that Buffy was way better than Angel. I feel that the first three seasons of both shows were the best for them, for buffy i think things started slowly going downhill as soon as they left highschool and def hit rockbottom as soon as the potentials showed up. Angel pretty much lost me when Cordy/Jasmine and Conner got together on Angel also S5 of Angel didnt really make sense with him as head of W&H. But the episodes in those seasons wern't really that bad its just that the plot was kind of annoying at times.
For story lines Angel's were prob better/stronger and a lot more consistant in quality than Buffy. I aslo found that Angel had a smaller amount of "bad" episodes.
For characters I think i like more of the Buffy characters compaired to Angel. Cuz Buffy had characters like Anya, Willow, Oz, Spike, Giles and so on (and i guess that would also include the characters that left to go onto angel too). I also found that they were alot more upbeat and fun. On Angel alot of the characters were alot more serious, which is also good and fits into the tone of the show. What I liked about Angel was that it was able to really flesh out the secondary characters who were on Buffy and as soon as they got to Angel I found that I liked them alot more (Angel,Wes, Darla, ect (already liked Cordy when she was on Buffy)). But then again my fav character from the buffyverse is Dru and shes a secondary character and wasnt that "big" in either series (dont get me wrong she played a role but just wasnt in that many episodes).
For characters that I didnt like, Buffy had more of them (mostly b/c i hated the idea of the potentials but there was also Riley and Dawn). I also found that on Buffy alot of characters changed too much for my liking. I think the best example would be spike. I loved his character in season two and that one episode in season 3 but when he lost Dru and started having a "thing" for buffy his character suddenly became weaker and very whiney. That really started to show around midway through season four. For Angel the only characters that i didnt like were Conner and Jasmine.
idk if I could really say that one is better than the other because they were both strong in different ways. However i find that I do rewatch Buffy episodes more often then Angel. Out of all the seasons Buffy DEF had the worst (season 7) and out of the whole buffyverse my fav. season would be S2 of Buffy (had all the great characters minus Anya and Faith). But my favorite episode out of the whole buffyverse might actually be Angel S5E12 You're Welcome.
I think that it's ultimately an unfair comparison. I would say that the majority of spin-offs are simply a way of getting more air time for a show once the universe of said show has expanded beyond what can be covered in a single hour of television. In creating Angel, the writers were able to explore the same universe from a completly different angle.
At it's heart, Buffy, like any other show set in a high school, was a coming of age tale. Buffy and her friends were just trying to grow up and their "demons" just happened to be real instead of metaphorical. They were just a bunch of teenagers doing stupid teenagers things, but the stakes were so much higher.
On the other hand, Angel, at least to me, really spoke to the duality of good and evil. It also focused on the ideas of redeption and fate vs. self-determination. As someone who started watching Buffy at eleven-ish, Angel felt like a more "grown up" show that appealed to me more and more as I got older.
To summarize, Buffy, at its best, reached levels of brilliance in certain episodes that Angel would sadly never attain; the best episode of Buffy would knock down the best episode of Angel any day. But at the same time, Angel as a whole has always been more appealing to me. I love it. It is one of my favourite shows ever. That is all.