Season 5 Episode 17


Aired Wednesday 9:00 PM Apr 14, 2004 on The WB
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Hoping that Lindsey has information on the Senior Partners' ultimate plans, Angel, Spike and Gunn track him down in a bizarre and terrifying suburban hell. Meanwhile, a nearly invincible stranger sent by the Senior Partners, infiltrates Wolfram & Hart looking for Eve.

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  • Angel hits the suburbs


    The Good;

    All the Lindsey stuff is great and love the appearance of Marcus and everyone's reaction to it. Love the Spike/Angel conference complete with beer.

    The Bad;

    How does Lindsey know Fred and Cordy are dead? Or is he referring to Doyle and Gunn? You can see the perspective gag when Marcus punches through the security guard. The background on the roof set which Wes and Illyria stand on is obviously fake.

    Best line;

    Angel; "Bad things always happen here, Spike"

    Spike; "Hate to break it to you mate but bad things happen everywhere"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Lindsey/Gunn have their own personal torture chamber. Spike just picks up the hearts with his bare hands.

    Apocalypses: 5 Spike and Angel have a discussion over what qualifies as an apocalypse. Lindsey informs them they're actually living in an apocalypse.

    Angel Cliches

    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Marcus doesn't want to fight, just to get Eve to sign her contract.

    In disguise; 8

    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19, Lorne takes the bullets out of Spike

    Cheap Angel; 8

    Fang Gang in bondage:

    Cordy: 5

    Angel: 15

    Wes: 8

    Gunn; 8

    Lorne; 6

    Fred; 5

    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:

    Cordy: 15

    Angel: 20

    Wes: 10

    Doyle; 1

    Gunn; 4

    Lorne; 8

    Groo; 1

    Connor; 1

    Faith; 1

    Fred; 7

    Spike; 5


    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3 demons

    Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg

    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.

    Groo; 1 demon

    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies

    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine

    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite

    Fang Gang go evil:

    Cordy: 3

    Angel: 3

    Gunn; 1

    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; suburban Gunn

    Cordy: 4

    Angel: 12

    Fred; 3

    Wes; 1

    Gunn; 2

    Connor; 1

    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor WR&H security guard


    Recurring characters killed; Eve realises that she's going to die just like Anya in Buffy.


    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,

    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: Spike and Angel

    Angel: 15

    Wes; 2

    Spike; 1

    Packing heat; not the gang but you've got to love a series with Uzi toting soccer moms!

    Wes; 13

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 4

    Gunn; 3

    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:

    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast

    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve

    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred

    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.

    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes

    Groo; 1Cordy

    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:

    Spike talks about 'pounding the neighbours wife'.

    Captain Subtext;

    Angel and Lorne comment on how well dressed Marcus is. Lindsey's wife is very reminiscent of Darla, you wonder if Angel and Spike are thinking that when then they open the door. Gunn obviously wants to be punished. Illyria says 'We' are so weak?

    Know the face, different character; 7

    Parking garages; oh yeah


    Guantanamo Bay;

    Harmony has been told 'No torture' by Angel. Lorne is shocked when Angel reveals he left Gunn behind. The Wrath!

    Buffy characters on Angel; 17

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

    Questions and observations;

    Spike refers to Knightrider, he shouldn't have teased the Geeks! Spike asks what the collective name for the Angel gang is, we never quite decided, like AI and the Fang Gang personally. It's actually Spike who comes up with the idea of talking to Eve. Harmony in the title sequence, how great, MM in the show right from the pilot, now a regular. They talked about the Lorne Green idea before in Happy Anniverasry. Am I missing something about Wes' joke? The world without shrimp is referenced again, this time the world with it. Eve is the child of the senior partners but doesn't even know who or what they are? But surely Illyria does? Are all the inhabitants in the holding dimension prisoners? Do we ever see Gunn in his suit again? And he's shaved his head. Surely he must wear a suit for court? The partners obviously think a lot of Lindsey, keeping him alive to decide if he'll still be useful. What does 'blocking' mean? It's been 4 months since 'You're welcome'. Gunn actually comes across really well as the family man. Does Marcus represent the WB suits who cancelled Angel?

    Marks out of 10; 8/10 for the holding dimension stuff alone

  • Underneath

    Underneath was a perfect and classic episode of Angel. I really enjoyed watching this episode because there was classic Angel humor along with an interesting story. I thought the holding dimension Lindsey was trapped in was interesting and creepy. It was cool to learn more about Illyria and to see her interactions with Wesley. It was nice to see Angel challenge Gunn to bring him back into the fold, though he still feels guilty over his part in Fred's death. I also enjoyed the mysterious new Liason to the Senior Partners and the terror he struck into Eve, Lorne and Harmony was hilarious. I look forward to watching more!!!!!!!moreless
  • "I walked worlds of torment.."

    Underneath is another excellent episode of Season 5 but unfortunately the secondary storyline is far more interesting than the main one and some parts can drag a bit.

    The main story of rescuing Lindsey from hell was OK but not amazing or anything. I'm not a fan on Lindsey, or Christian Kane for that matter, so I wasn't too pleased to see him again. Christian Kane just smirks far too much for me to like his acting and just sort of irritates me lots. I didn't really like the holding cells idea- the Senior Partners could easily have figured out a hell for Lindsey to go to in moments, so th holding cells are a bit redundant. I liked the idea of the getting their heart ripped out every day though. I liked Eve here- she's really growing on me. She's no Lilah or anythin but she's quite a good character. I enjoyed the team of her, Lorne and Harmony- they make for good laughs. Hamilton revealing that he isn't there to kill her but to make her sign over her immortality was good and a nice twist. I don't really know what to make of Hamilton though. I just LOVED the Wesley and Illyria scenes though. They were outstanding and Illyria's speeches are brilliant. I loved her talking about her past life and walking different worlds. I also LOVED the Fred/Wesley dreams sequence as well- it was wonderfully done and made me really appreciate and miss Fred. It's confusing- I love Fred but love Illyria too, so I can't choose! Also loved the rooftop scene - it was again brilliant and helped us get better insight into Illyria. Also, the line "You called me a smurf" made me laugh. Illyria's costume is still amazing.

    Underneath is a great episode with a brilliant secondary storyline. The revelation that the apocalypse is going on under Angel's nose is great and sets up the next 5 episodes nicely. It wasn't the best of S5 but not the worst- it made you think. Not to be missed, purely for the Illyria and Wesley scenes.moreless
  • It's A Wonderful Day in Hell!

    Underneath-Hoping that Lindsay has information on the Senior Partners' ultimate plans, Angel, Spike and Gunn track him down in a bizarre and terrifying suburban hell. Meanwhile, a nearly invincible stranger sent by the Senior Partners, infiltrates Wolfram & Hart looking for Eve.

    After losing another loved one/soldier, Team Angel has pretty much scattered about. Angel is finding it just as hard to keep the fold when he is also blaming himself for Fred's death. But don't worry Angel, Spike is there to cheer you up...yep..Spike! After a few touching words to Gunn from Angel, Gunn comes back and sportin' his old gang wear. Glad to see Gunn going back to his roots yet still maturing with the events that have ocurred. But with all that's happened, what are the Senior Partners gonna do about it about and what have they been doing all this time?

    Well after a visiting Eve, who now looks a hot mess, Angel, Spike, and Gunn manage to find where Lindsey was taken by the SP and they decide to free him for information. I gotta say, the perfect family life/surburbia hell was great development. Especially when you see it for the first time and you're thinking, "WTF?" But it's really hilarious watching everything turn to hell like the mother and son busting out with guns and shooting everything in site. Even the milk man gets in on it. But it is creepy watching the events of this hell unfold, like the Basment torturer. The make-up people did a great job with that thing, ehw! But what's also great is how Gunn saves the day and takes Lindsey's place. Gunn has come a long way and his sacrifice was great character development. Also, the Wesley/Illyria scenes were wonderful. I loved the dream that Wesley had of Fred and Illyria is quite the complex character. She understands the world better than anyone yet she wonders why humanity has chosen to live this way. Illyria is force to live like a human because she is now searching for her purpose in the world like the rest of us.

    This episode also introduces Hamilton, the new liasion of the SPs since Eve lost her credibility. Adam Baldwin is great as the Terminator minus the sci-fi backstory and looks good in a suit. I loved when he put his fist through the security guard's chest, Eve, Lorne and Harmony screamed like little girls, lol. But of course, his unreliable and a new threat now that the Senior Partners sent him.

    The episode ends with Lindsey giving the gang some nuclear bomb of bad news. Turns out that the Senior Partners have been using the gang along. While they were busy trying to run Wolram and Hart, THE Apocalypse was busy right underneath. Which means, Angel better think of something quick or this will be the end of the world...for good this time, seriously? All and All, "Underneath" continues the final arc very well as our characters progress and new revelations unfold.moreless
  • Lindsay has his own private hell.

    Angel and Spike seek out Eve(il) to see if they can get some more info on what the Senior Partners have planned. Eve(il) has been holed up in Lindsays apartment for protection. As Angel and Spike interrogate her, the protective markings on the walls disappear and someone is coming. Eve(il) is terrified and says she will tell them whatever she needs to, but she needs their protection. She tells the gang that they had someone who could have told them ANYTHING they needed to know about the Senior Partners but that they had let him get taken. Yup, Lindsay.

    The rest of this ep is spent getting Gunn out of bed and back with the gang. Then the gang (Spike, Angel, Gunn) go to hell (the burbs) and find Lindsay. Seems he is in some suburbian nightmare that he relives every day. He has a wife and son, but every day he gets sent to the cellar for a lightbulb and this hideous monster cuts his heart out. Long story short: They get Lindsay out but they have to leave someone behind to take his place. Gunn stays, because he considers it atonement. Lindsay also clues Angel in on something, the apocalypse has already begun and Angel is exactly where the Senior Partners wanted him to be. Oh yeah, we meet Hamilton, who is the new liason to the Senior Partners.moreless
Christian Boewe

Christian Boewe


Guest Star

Nicholl Hiren

Nicholl Hiren


Guest Star

Jared Poe

Jared Poe


Guest Star

Christian Kane

Christian Kane

Lindsey McDonald

Recurring Role

Sarah Thompson

Sarah Thompson


Recurring Role

Adam Baldwin

Adam Baldwin

Marcus Hamilton

Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (6)

    • The design on the medallion that Lindsey is wearing changes in the closeup shot right before Angel rips it off of his neck.

    • In the basement Spike picks up a bleeding heart which supposedly belongs to Lindsey, but when he drops it his hand is clean of any blood.

    • Eve signs a contract, giving Hamilton her powers of Liaison. Oftentimes, important contracts from or having to do with Wolfram & Hart must be signed with the signer's blood. Angel signs in blood in "Power Play" (5x21), and Lilah has signed in blood before as well.

    • In the Wolfram & Hart mystical holding dimension, when Lindsey's hand reaches for the basement doorknob, the crew and the rest of the studio are reflected in the doorknob. You can even see the rails for the camera dolly on the floor.

    • In the wide shot where Lindsey is getting his newspaper, you can see the mailman walking past someone's driveway. But when the camera angle changes, the mailman is farther back than where he started from. In the next shot you can see the mailman already all the way up the next-door neighbor's driveway.

    • The holes in Spike's jacket disappear after he was shot with the machine gun by the mailman.

  • QUOTES (21)

    • Spike: I'm on fire!! (Looks at himself) Oh, never mind.

    • Lorne: Where's Gunn? ... Angel?
      Angel: He, uh... he stayed behind.
      Lorne: Stayed behind? But you never leave a - (off Angel's look) Oh, I guess we do. That's what we do now.

    • Lindsey: Not an apocalypse, the apocalypse. What'd you think, a gong was gonna sound? Time to jump on your horses and fight the big fight? Starting pistol went off a long time ago, boys. You're playing for the bad guys. Every day you sit behind your desk and you learn a little more how to accept the world the way it is. Well, here's the rub... heroes don't do that. Heroes don't accept the world the way it is. They fight it.
      Angel: You're saying everything we do... it's a keep us busy from looking under the surface.
      Lindsey: (snaps his fingers) Ding! We have a winner! The world keeps sliding towards entropy and degradation, and what do you do? You sit in your big chair, and you sign your checks, just like the Senior Partners planned. The war's here, Angel. And you're already two soldiers down.

    • Illyria: Tell me a joke.
      Wesley: Two men walk into a bar. The first man orders a scotch and soda. The second man remembers something he'd forgotten, and it doubles him over with pain. He falls to the floor shaking and then through the floor and into the Earth. He looks back up at the first man, but he doesn't call out to him. They're not that close.

    • (Gunn opens the car door, letting sunlight in)
      Spike and Angel: Ahhh!
      Gunn: Alternate dimension, remember? Sun's the non-frying variety.
      Spike: Figured that.
      Angel: Oh, right.

    • Spike: This isn't hell. This is the burbs. Close enough.

    • Eve: (mocking) Ooh, I'm intimidated. What could you possibly do to me? I've been trapped in this house for weeks like a...
      Spike: Rat? Snake? Beady little rat snake?

    • Lorne: (asking Eve) This thing coming after you, how bad is it on a scale of, say, one to Terminator?

    • Lorne: I think I'm tired. I think I'm sick and tired of wearing bells on my toes and making like everything's gonna be okay. I think it's pathetic that lately I'm too scared and sad to tell people the truth so I just say what they wanna hear instead. Most of all, I think the term "Happy Hour" should be banned from the English language. There's nothing happy about this hour or any other.

    • Angel: We have a problem. Senior partners found Eve. They sent something to take her out. I need to know if I have jurisdiction to protect her. What's protocol here?
      Gunn: I don't know.
      Angel: Right. Well, when you're through reading about important things like, um...(sees magazine) "Trista and Ryan's big baby plans" maybe you can put some thought into it.

    • Angel: (sees the alternate reality) This is Lindsey's punishment? For trying to kill me? Hunh! Maybe it's a reward.

    • Illyria: You've been sitting for a long time.
      Wesley: Yeah. Dozed off.
      Illyria: You drank a great deal of that poison, you called me a lot of names meant to hurt feelings I no longer have, and then you sat there for hours making noise with your nose.
      Wes: I was dreaming, you twit.

    • Angel: (about self-driving car) Isn't anyone else finding this creepy?
      Spike: Oh, come on. Never heard of Knight Rider? (pause) The Knight Industries Two Thousand? (pause) KITT? (pause) Oh, never mind.

    • Spike: What? I'm listening. With beer.
      Angel: Forget it. This isn't a meeting. This is you being annoying.

    • Eve: Brilliant. Really. They'll never look for me here. I'm gonna die.
      Spike: You make it hard for me to want to help you.

    • Eve: What do you want me to say? I'm a leprechaun. I'm from Brigadoon!
      Spike: If I had a nickel for every time I heard that one.

    • Spike: I hope it's Toy-poodle hell. I've had my fill of fire.

    • Spike: Why am I always reconnaissance, I should get a decently flashy job, like save the girl or steal the emerald. Or save the emerald with the girl.
      Angel: Handsome man save me from the monsters…
      Spike: Or that…wait what—
      Angel: That's the first thing Fred said to me in Pylea. She was trapped hiding, afraid…nearly crazy—okay she was crazy but she was brave. I should have never let her come here, bad things always happen here.

    • Illyria: All I am is what I am. I lived 7 lives at once. I was power and the ecstasy of death. I was god to a god. Now... I--I'm trapped... on a roof. Just one roof.... in this time and this place, with an unstable human who drinks too much whiskey and called me a smurf. (Wesley chuckles) You don't worship me at all, do you?

    • Angel: (when he sees Hamilton) Damn, he is well dressed.

    • Wesley: Are you telling me the great Illyria, idol of millions, was limited to one small dimension?
      Illyria: I traveled all of them as I pleased. I walked worlds of smoke and half-truths, intangible. Worlds of torment, and of unnameable beauty. Opaline towers as high as small moons. Glaciers that rippled with incensing lust. And one world with nothing but shrimp. I tired of that one quickly.
      Wesley: Then why stay in this one? Surely there's a world more appealing -- maybe not the shrimp one -- but one where you'll be welcome like you never will be here.

  • NOTES (4)

    • The Wesley/Illyria scenes were all written by Joss.

    • When filming this episode, the cast and crew were notified by the WB that they had cancelled the series. Creator Joss Whedon had just six episodes to tie-in all the loose strings of the show.

    • This episode marks the final changes of the series to the main opening credits. Mercedes McNab (Harmony) is added to them and no longer listed as a guest star and Amy Acker's opening credit has been changed to show her mostly as Illyria now. The other stars also have some new scenes added to their credits.

    • Adam Baldwin was one of the stars of Joss Whedon's canceled series Firefly. Like several other actors from the show, Joss has brought him into the "Buffyverse."


    • Lorne: Holy motor pool!
      This is an allusion to the character Robin in the 1960s TV series Batman who was known for exclaiming "holy..." and then a word or phrase that was a reference to (or pun on) whatever had startled him. For example "holy smoke!" when seeing a fire or "holy sardine!" when a shark is attacking Batman.

    • Spike: Cut the act, Ward, June's gone.
      Spike makes reference to the popular 1950s sitcom Leave It to Beaver in which the parents of the lead character were Ward and June Cleaver. The series became a pop culture icon referencing idealized, even homogenized suburban American life.

    • Illyria: ... and called me a smurf.
      The Smurfs are a fictional group of tiny blue creatures that lived in forests and enjoyed much popularity due to comic strips and several movie and tv adaptations.

    • Angel: Well, when you're through reading about important things like Trista and Ryan's big baby plans, maybe you can put some thought into it.
      The Bachelor is a show about men trying to find a woman to spend the rest of their life with. Trista was the first "Bachelorette" in a reverse role spin-off aptly dubbed The Bachelorette. After being dumped by one of the Bachelors, she got her own show to find the man of her dreams. She chose Ryan, and they got married. Their wedding was also televised.

    • Lorne: On a scale of one to Terminator?
      The Terminator is a movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as a powerful and seemingly unstoppable robot from the future.
      This episode contains several visual references to the Terminator films, following Lorne's line. Adam Baldwin's slow walk brings to mind both the T-101 and the T-1000. Hamilton punching the security guard through the stomach is similar to the Terminator punching a punk in the beginning of the first movie. Lorne and Eve escaping in the elevator to the parking garage, then being followed there by the stalker is eerily similar to the sequence of the mental ward escape in Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Spike being stitched up after being shot in the back is also similar to Linda Hamilton sewing up the Terminator in the second movie.

    • Spike: You never heard of Knight Rider? Knight Industries 2000? K.I.T.T.?

      Spike compares the camaro to the car with artificial intelligence from the early eighties show, Knight Rider.