I don't know what they were thinking putting this show up against "The Middle" and "Animal Practice".
Ican only record two shows at once. This will be another soap opera type thing like Smallville, It's not worth watching at this time. If it was on Thursday or friday at 8pm, I could watch. or a repeat on Saturday afternoon would be good.
I think the WB is setting this show up for failure.
-First, I love comic book based shows. Second, I was madly excited when I heard about Arrow. Third, I saw the first two episodes so far and they are dull and similar to each other.
-I'm not going to let the weight of the Arrow STORY carry the show. The two main actors playing Arrow and Laurel are DULL. So far it seems like they are headed in the direction of every episode being a team up of Arrow and Laurel fighting a bad guy and making heartachy looks at each other. If those two can't pull off more onscreen passion (and I don't mean lovewise) this series will tank soon.
The bad guys too seem dull. Are they ALL just going to be shady, rich, suits? Is Arrow just going to kill them and cross them off his list until the next episode when he crosses another one off? Is that going to be the show?!
The only thing that jumped from this show is that he actually KILLS the bad guys. I feel like on TV I have not seen that before. It is supergreat! Bad guys actually get their due! But how does a hood hide your Identity? Not to mention the sketch of the "vigilante" the cop was holding next to Olivers face looked like him exactly. So how could anyone believe nobody in that tv world sees that?!
P.S Hey, the cop is that magic guy from that sc-fi show that got cancelled that I used to watch.
Please bring some more storyline in FAST. More background, a LOT MORE island stuff will save the show. And I get if Arrow has to be all quiet and dangerous, but change up the actress that plays Laurel at least. Someone who is not all typical Loius Lane bravado, I'll save the world, while being overly poised...
Ok, In many ways, Arrow reminds me of Smallville as "how much can they screw up the mythos". This isn't to say that Arrow isn't good or bad. It basically fascinates me like Smallville where I kept watching it to see where they would screwed up the show and storyline.
So, let's start off with the following:
1) origin story: everything about the origin story is good, except for the dad and the burden he's placing on his son to right his wrongs. It just sounds too made up and makes for poor story line since its quite predictable, etc.
As far as I'm concern, just being stuck on the island and getting his arrow skills is good enough, because he needed them for survival. Yes, he should always hope for rescue, but the skills acquired should be for the practical nature and/or for the sport of it while on the island
Now, that the boat was sabotaged, etc.. those plots points are good on their own, although, Mother kills Husband and son, is kind of a stretch, but hey, that can be plausible. Evil Bitch Queen mother is fine by me.
Dad killing himself for Son's survival is also fine by me, but the "book".. mmm, again, makes the show more mechanic, less organic.
2) Rescue is good, Oliver was looking out for a boat and used his skills with bow and arrow to set up flares, etc.. all good
3) kidnapping Oliver in the show, that's good, and that he escapes his good,.
In fact, this should have been the way for him to enter the path which leads him to becoming Green Arrow. He's got these skills, he's able to shake off his kidnappers, he wants answers as to why him? he discovers corruption, etc.. eventually leading him to make a stance and to become the hero.
That would be just as entertaining, if not more so, and would be so much more plausible, because he would have blundered his way to discovery.
4) the tech.. where the hell does that come from? the island? I don't buy it. Considering the way he is portrayed prior to his demise at sea. That is too easy. No explanation on the skills and where the resources come from. Doesn't make the show plausible.
Which is why, Greg Berlanti, to me, is a very lucky man to have a job! He's not very talented in "architecting" storylines which are plausible.
He screwed up "No ordinary family" and he's going to screw up "Arrow".
As far the choices of actors and their roles, I do like them, and I understand why they didn't use Justin from Smallville, it wouldn't be as gritty and there would always be some explanation as to why Superman wasn't there to help in case of extreme danger, etc..
Now as far as the killing goes, it is necessary, I always found it silly to see those boxer arrows, etc.. for Green Arrow in the comic.
And as we saw in Episode 4, the ex-bodyguard who will join him, that's a good touch too. Not from the mythos, but hey, it does make it more realistic in that sense.
So overall, I'm going to watch it a few times and see where they lead, but crap, too me, they could have handled the logistics of the storyline so much better.
I hate that everything is connected in such an easy way. Nothing to really look forward too in terms of surprises.
That's Greg Berlanti's work at hand.
Sorry, probably a nice guy and all, but a lousy writer.
ADDED For Episode 5
So, obviously, a lot has happened on the island. Wasn't sure if I like this version of Deahstroke, the Terminator. Depending on how he's handled, in the DC world, this character is quite a force to be reckoned with. Here, he was a lackey used to deliver torture. Seems odd, but hey, still giving the show a chance.
This show is a superhero version of "Supernatural". Minus the originality and humor that make "supernatural" almost worth watching. Basically the guy playing Oliver has nothing to do with the comic book character. Its not even an original character. He is Dean in a pair of Green Tights. CW viewers adore a mean spirited person who thinks that their version of good and evil and justice is the right one. So I am sure that the teeny group of remaining "Supernatural" fans will stay tuned. And as the CW has never had high expectations for any of its shows, thats probably enough. Probably. This show had a chance. It started out with decent ratings, and even the second episode had a couple million viewers. But its already down to the typical CW ratings, and still losing out..although the leak is slow.
The thing is that a brainless show like this COULD be good. It has one thing going for it; Lots of action.
If "Arrow" stopped taking itself seriously, played the stupidity of its plot for laughs, got a better fight choreographer, and lost the whole annoying angsty ex girlfriend sideline, it would be a passable show. Hiring some better looking actors wouldn't hurt either. Of course the lead is attractive. He is handsome in the way that young actors are handsome. But there is not one bit of anything special about him, including his looks. And in shows like this a sexy cast is a must.
I too was excited about the show but now I can't stand to watch after this last episode where he chose "what's her face" (his best friend's girlfriend) over helping his partner get his brother's murderer!!! Really??? Arrow has gotten boring and stupid and eewww, and Oliver is all of the above too and shouldn't have a love interest or choose it over his mission which is to bring criminals to after he let down his partner, that was the last please cancel the show or make major adjustments to the star's pathetic character....
I was excited about this show and it started with promise but it has now been weighed and measured and found wanting. What a great premise that has been ruined with sloppy writing and pretty average acting. The female actors especially. While they have not been supported with good storylines they have also not made the best of it. Katie Cassidy and Willa Holland are frankly show stoppers for me .... literally. I have now turned off.
It could have been so good and that makes it all the more disappointing.
I was looking forward to another superhero show. I have given it 6 episodes and am giving up. There is something amiss with writing and the acting. The characters are not that compelling or likable. In order to bring me along with the story I have to care about SOMEONE and that just hasn't happened. Oliver's quest of revenge of "the city" falls flat. If we saw that he had ever cared about the city then this would be a believable. It all has a one note feel.
I tried to get into this, I really did. Maybe I was expecting too much but this show should be categorised as a soap opera. It's like watching Bold and the Beautiful with all the love triangles and focusing more on the relationships than what the comic was all about. I am pissed off that I wasted so much bandwidth watching this crap. Don't bother if you are looking for an action packed series.
I wanted to like the show but I find it drags...little action and alot of talk..... they canceled The Secret Circle...... now that was a likable show with a likable cast....everything is backwards nowadays people like the worst crap...what's good sucks to people....and what sucks is good to people....I just don't get it..
I resent the fact that girls would continue to watch "Arrow" just because of Stephen Amell's plastic (though that's one of the reason I haven't given up yet and the show has three episodes under the belt). I haven't givine up after the first episode so that has to be better than Kreuk's new show.
I don't know much about the "Green Arrow" comic (in fact I don't know much about comics in general), but I know that the Green Arrow was depicted as a comic character with a social conscience. Despite the voiceover - I really have to say here that I'm far from sold on the voiceovers - where Oliver says how depraved and disappointed he is about his father's former friends and acquainttances, I don't see the social conscience (I tolerated it in Smallville because it was Smallville). There is an overall feeling - for me at least - that the show hasn't found its pace, its niche or whatever. Despite Stephen Amell, if this goes on, I know that I'll stop watching the show : the first two episodes could have interchangeable. The writers need to know what kind of story they want to tell us and stick to it. If they take themselves too seriously, they need to commit to that, and if they want to make a "lighter" show, they also need to do that seriously. The one episode that perked my interest was the last one because for once, someone put a cramp in Oliver's plan. They need to do that more.
On another matter, I'm not sold on the cast and Oliver and Laurel who are supposed to pull me in are not: this back and forth so early in the show, it's not good. Perhaps this has to do with the fact that the show runners thought that they could take some shortcuts and capitalize on Oliver Queen's popularity. But Oliver Queen is not Clark Kent, or Bruce Wayne and let's be honest, when we think comic, we think of Batman, and Superman (and lately Iron Man) first before this obscure "Green Arrow". So the character is known but not that widely known. But I digress.
The flashbacks are muddled to me and whose idea was it to make Oliver sleep with his heroine's sister? If my boyfriend slept with one of my sisters and cut his balls and serve it on a platter. Just saying: a girl doesn't get hung up a the guy who slept with her sister. At least that's me.
Oliver seems inconsistent and goes back and forth from a brooding spoiled billionnaire to an arrogant little bastard and the personna of Arrow: It's like watching a tennis match at Roland Garros.
So yes, I have more critics towards this show than love. But I love the stunts and I'm intrigued enough by the blank pages in the flasbacks and the black clad operatives "chasing(?)" him in the last episode.
Still I have this impression of things being too easy for him even being poisoned in the last episode was quickly resolved. If they want to be taken seriously the writers need to do better because this is not Jane by design.
I WAS SUPRISED I DO ENJOY IT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A FLOP AND THE REASON NOT TO SHOW ALL IN ONE EPOSIDE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE ISLAND TO HAVE YOU KEEP COMMING BACK FOR MORE JUST DEPENDS HOW LONG ? i WILL NOT KEEP WATCHING GOREVER BUT THE SHOW IS OK SO FAR
How do you move away from Smallville? Get a show where all the insecurities about who you are and what you should do are dispensed with. Arrow is kind of like Revenge but with arrows and carnage. At first I thought it would be bad - because I did not like the Smallville Green Arrow. This one is great. Be Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark and then go Dexter on people. Love the homage and in-jokes from the DC universe. If metahumans are banned from this universe as well as Bats, I'm thinking Red Hood or even Robin or NightWing or Human Target to visit.
We've seen all the comic revivals from Marvel and this DC Arrow is pretty brilliant. I'd go on about the story, but I want to share something: I was watching the premier with my mother, whom I would normally say is super sharp, but as we were watching a very simple story line with the flash backs to set up the history and the real time to set up for the vengeance, she kept asking questions like: Why is he on an island, how did he get in the hospital, is that his sister, why are they on a boat, where did he get the tattoos...
It was a very disappointing. But of the show I was able to enjoy... it was amazing. I loved the back story, very close the original comic. There's more, but you should just watch it. It was awesome. I can't wait for the next one.
As a comic fan I have tried to like this show for a dozen episodes now but it's just not working, at least not for me! :(
This is far from being a decent superhero action drama and more like a lame soap opera about the rich and beautiful people of Star City! Except for his looks Stephen Amell doesn't really bring anything to the character and his wooden acting just bores me to sleep
It also doesn't really help that they are messing with the original characters but that doesn't even matter anymore
A fun show, but it is seriously silly in a few ways. EVERYONE'S A SUPER NINJA! It seems that every girl with a vendetta or a criminal background has trained all their life with ninjas, and a criminal figure main character turns out to be a super ninja archer just like arrow, seriously WTF?!
This 'everyone has superpowers' is a fatal writing flaw shared by Smallville. It only serves to cheapen the main character's unique ordeal and abilities. It's a cheap plot device to provide super enemies regularly as opposed to a good story arc.
The whole 'girls can be a fighting match for men' trend is ridiculous, especially considering they're 100 pound girls fighting trained skilled 200 pound men. Anyone with a brain knows that it's part of the new World Order social engineering to push feminism, promote gender fighting, destroy traditional family structure and subjugate men who are more likely to challenge authority but it's ruining our entertainment.
A fun show but it needs to ground itself in a more believable group of supporting characters, not making them all super ninjas.
It reminds me of the line by Syndrome in the incredibles "When everyone is Super, no one will be"
Way better than "the Cape". I gave the latter a shot for, like, four or five eps, but it didn't keep me, and then I heard it was cancelled, and I was still OK with that. I've never read the comics, but I always saw the character there as boring. Why would I want to read it? I came at this show with no expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. Some poor graphics, a strange fade out/fade in that didn't belong, bringing me out of the story for about a minute, but otherwise, it looks promising. The acting, I hope, will get better with time, but they were mostly believable. Good fun.
Okay, this one wasn't on my watch list but I decided to give it a chance. I love comic book movies but the shows never live up to the expectation...well, until now. I loved this episode. I love the mystery, the action, and who doesn't love a bad boy billionaire with a heart of gold?