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Banshee S02E08: "Evil for Evil"


Throughout Banshee's second season, I've spent a lot of time talking about how the show has improved, both in how it's juggled multiple stories and how it's managed to tell different types of stories. Both of those advancements have happened as part of the general "Season 2 Improvement Playbook," but in watching "Evil for Evil," I realized just how successfully the show is now juggling them. 

What struck me most about this episode was how it brought us into different arcs that were operating at distinct places in Banshee's broader trajectory. Meaning, some of the primary threads—for example, Carrie's attempt to make it back into her own house and deal with her family—provided some new developments within season-long stories. We've been following Carrie's struggle for a while now, and thus seeing her continue her thievery but also find some moments of relief with Gordon and the kids had a notable impact. I've argued that some of the Hopewell family drama has been repetitive, but as these things tend to go, it started to make a little more sense once this episode unspooled. The situation had gotten so bad with Gordon running the household—between Gordon's drinking, Max's illness, and Deva's acting out—that by the time he decided to accept his wife back into their lives, even temporarily, there weren't many other options. The Hopewells are a wreck, but it's possible that they'll be able to get back on their feet by working together, or at least trying to.

The other events of "Evil for Evil," however were happening in a very different place. Hood's crusade against Proctor is perhaps Banshee's most prominent storyline, and one of the longest-running as well. But this specific crusade only truly began in earnest in last week's "Ways to Bury a Man," with the driving event (Jason's murder) happening two weeks ago. So when Hood nagged everyone around him to try to find something on Proctor that would stick, ultimately snagging him on a weapons charge obtained through an illegal warrant, it was clear that we shouldn't see this as the kind of big victory that the resolution to a two-year long conflict could be. It was a bit of a rush job on Hood's part, for any number of reasons, but I think "Evil for Evil" proved that the rushing was a purposeful tactic by the show. Hood strained to make Proctor go away, and multiple characters called him on it throughout the hour. He's the hero, but right now he's making a mistake. 


And really, he's making multiple mistakes. From a character arc perspective, Hood's simmering frustrations and confusion have ultimately brought all this to bear. He hot-shotted his conflict with Proctor in a way that's eventually going to have a negative impact on his job security (we've already gotten a glimpse of that, with the return of the new district attorney). He started to put the screws to Alex in hopes of getting additional info on Proctor. And Brock weaseled his way into Siobhan's ear, bringing all her skepticism about her boss and bed buddy to the surface. I'm not entirely sure where we're headed with Hood, and that's a good thing. But Banshee has methodically developed his emotional instability in a really impressive fashion.

Finally, the sudden reappearance of the white supremacists from last week's episode gave the show another opportunity to play with brief serialized stories. In the show's world, only a short time had passed since Emmett helped kick their asses, and they partook in some truly horrific revenge: punching his pregnant wife and then kicking her in the stomach. Banshee hasn't spent that much time with Emmett this season, so his wife's presence felt a bit out of nowhere, but "Evil for Evil" did such a fine job of making it count within the context of this one episode that it's hard for me to complain too much. From the moment the supremacists were rounded up and placed into cells at the station, it was clear we were in for a violent conclusion. Loni Peristere's direction and Amy Fleming 's editing paired well to build the tension in that final sequence, and then the fight choreography ensured that achieved maxium—and sometimes difficult to watch—impact. 


All of these stories succeeded in their own ways, but it's the way they worked together within one episode that made this such a fine hour for Banshee. Mixing in some seasonal arcs with some series-long stories and then pulling great moments out of a conflict that just began in the previous episode? That's pretty cool, and it reflects the Banshee team's more solid handle on just about everything when it comes to breaking and telling stories—in the short, medium, and long term. And there's little doubt that all these different types of stories will coalesce into something big, bad, and bloody in the final two episodes of the season.



NOTES

– Emmett appeared ready to give up his deputy position in the aftermath of beating the heck out of those white power dudes, but Hood certainly didn't appear ready to let him make that call. I could definitely see Emmett's actions and the conversation about what to do serving as the final straw between Hood and Brock, at least for this season. The clear difference in ideology between the two of them is too clear and too fraught for this to go on much longer.

– And Emmett's use of the brass knuckles to take down the white supremacists? So good. That made an already intense fight scene even more intense.

– Although Proctor is locked up, his drive—not to mention his workout routine—isn't dead. He started sniffing around why Hood would be so outraged at him, turning to Rebecca for info about Jason and his relationship to Hood. That won't end well.

– Speaking of Proctor, let's not talk about the way he was moving around Rebecca's bedroom as she tried to undress in the moments before he was arrested. Nope nope nope.

– The episode's opening moments—with Hood literally running into Carrie and Job mid, uh, job and then covering for them with Brock and company—were pretty great. I'd love for Banshee to do even more random sequences at the jump like that. 

– Job "used the computer" (as he said to Sugar) to find info about Rabbit. The other shoe is going to drop very soon.


What'd you think of this one? And what do you suspect will happen in the final two episodes?


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AIRED ON 5/20/2016

Season 4 : Episode 8

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WOOO!!! I'm finally caught up to the rest of the world who'd known about Banshee long before I jumped on the bandwagon.

"They partook in some truly horrific revenge: punching his pregnant wife and then kicking her in the stomach."

The list of scenes in recent TV history that were harder to watch than the 4 seconds between where it became clear that skinhead was going to kick her in the stomach and then actually did it, is a VERY short list. Red Wedding...nope. The True Blood sex neck break...nope. Inbred family from X-Files...nope. The only two that come to mind, both from Sons of Anarchy, is Tigg's daughter being set on fire and Opie's prison scene. For a character I had zero investment in...my heart sank.

"Loni Peristere's direction and Amy Fleming 's editing paired well to build the tension in that final sequence, and then the fight choreography ensured that achieved maxium—and sometimes difficult to watch—impact."

And the brass knuckles chest punch and face cave in was the appropriate book end to the events that set this all into motion. FAR and away more violent, but IMO, far easier to watch.

I'm guessing that Juliette finds herself sleeping with the fishes and that's enough to invalidate the warrant. Bad for Juliette, but maybe not the worst thing for Hood since it gets him out from under a lie he couldn't possibly explain, at least not in court. Siobhan however, might not be so forgiving. Which is okay, cause I'm kinda over that "relationship"...mostly because it was doomed from the start.

Much like how Emmitt's beat down will be the tipping point between Hood and Brock, there is what Rebecca will do with the knowledge of Hood breaking into Proctor's place to gain the knowledge to doctor the warrant. I know she threw Juliette to the wolves, but why? To gain leverage on Hood? To protect him? To protect herself? Rebecca's character development is quickly becoming my favourite arc in this show.
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Another stellar episode of the best show on television. I have to get this out first, "BANSHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" This week, without question, the extra 'E's are for the episode MVP 'Deputy Emmett Yawners' as portrayed superbly (but then again this is 'Banshee'/ the show without a weak link in the entire cast) by the underused Demetrius Grosse. I commented earlier this season that we needed an 'Emmett' episode; but killing baby 'Yawners' was just cruel.

So much going on from Job not only finding 'Rabbit' but also putting himself in Proctor's sh!t as well. Turning off the refrigeration at the slaughter house, just to piss him off. The bomb at the ecstasy operation paled into comparison to someone f'ing with Proctor's money laundering operation. Job is all in now in both worlds, possibly ending up on both psychopaths' radar. Sugar also letting Kai know exactly to whom his loyalties are tethered in that brief but powerful scene with 'Hood', Proctor and Sugar at The Forge. There are so many people in line for Proctor's return fire right now Job, Sugar, possibly Siobhan, possibly 'Carrie' and 'Deva', Juliet, maybe even Rebecca who this season has done a great job of not letting us know exactly where her loyalties are going to adhere to by the end of the season. Everything is percolating right now. Who knows what Alex is really thinking either? It was seems he would use
'Hood' to rid himself of 'Proctor' but can he? He really needs to call his sister. No really Alex, CALL YOUR SISTER!

Growing up in Pennsylvania, the Emmett story rings so true. He was a Pennsylvania kid who got recruited by the team that plays in 'Happy Valley'. State College is one of the strangest college campus' in Division 1 tucked behind everything and really within no proximity of any big cities. Its a world of its own in the backwoods of Pennsylvania. Emmett was going there to get noticed to play RB in the NFL. He had a massive injury which stifled that dream and he got married and stayed in one of the most racially divided areas of the state - 'Banshee' is somewhere between 'State College' and 'New York City'. Add to that the fact that the Christianity to which he guides his life is the same faith as most of the racists surrounding him. He's really doing a wonderful job in the role. I think this episode showed he's had enough of all of it. Grosse put in such a wonderful performance this week. To bring Meg back only to have her get beat down and kicked so hard she lost her child was chilling. His conversation with 'Hood' resulting in the badge being laid down on the table at the end. 'Hood' is finally starting to be more honest and these people that have supported him are now starting to see the futility and danger of being on the 'Hood' team. Emmett off the team cannot possibly be a good thing.

Siobhan watching everything and then getting called out for her nighttime activities from Brock. I think 'Hood' is actually starting to really fall/care for her. He flat out said, "I'll tell you anything you want to know." And she was silent. She doesn't really want to know anything, does she? Nothing looks better on this show than the sunlight coming in through the windows of her trailer on her in bed. For some reason I really want these two together but he's not making that easy. (Nor should it be.)

So who is going to pay the most for 'Hood's' actions when the price comes due? Eagerly anticipating the answer to that question. Just another f'ing brilliant hour..... if it isn't 'Banshee' it isn't a better show, just saying.

Thank you David Schickler and Jonathan Tropper and Greg Yataines for creating this brilliant gem and putting such a great cast in the roles to tell the stories. See all of you back in BANSHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! next week. WTF: Only two episodes left. Get your 'E' s ready!



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Things are really beginning to loosen now, I like it!
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banshee is all about consequences. How do the actions and reactions play out in the (near) future.

Will Rebecca start to love the power game so much that she wants a part of it and will she accept only a part next to Kai? Does she want to take over and does she think of Hood as her partner.
Will Shioban warn the informant and what will that mean for her in her relation with Hood (I suppose they will get into a fight).
Will the fact that Sugar took a stand to Kai mean that he will in trouble with in the near future and what will that cost him?
Now Job found Rabbit, what will he do with that information? It alsmot looked as if he was going after him himself and which raod would that mean?

So many interesting roads to follow.
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Very good episode very dark at times and it gave emmett more to do as well , i can see from hood actions against procter there are consequences . Carrie story was only the gleaming light in this episode but i am disapointed that we are building towards the end as this season is better then the first, but i cant wait to see what they can do with procter and rabbit. I wish we knew what is hood real name .
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Awesome episode. That's all I have to say, besides I think Cory nailed everything pretty accurately.
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That kick to the stomache was like... well a kick to the guts. I didn't even think Banshee would go there.
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After the episode in the first season with the MMA fighter in his trailer, which was, in my opinion, one of the most difficult scenes to watch in *any* television series to date, I am no longer shocked about where this show will and will not go.
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I was a bit shocked by the stomach kick, that seemed like a new level of evil for this show. Even the other two white trash racists thought it was too much! I've long become immune to the sound of breaking bones on this show (thanks in large part to Hood's take down of that MMA fighter way back when) but it continues to find ways to set the bar higher. Season 8 should be a doozy.
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I don't like pregnant women getting hit/kicked in the stomach but I do like that this show holds nothing sacred and isn't scared to break taboos and "go there"~~then again I like disturbing shows
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Being pregnant I found it extra hard to watch, technically I looked away, because I knew it was coming, but it would make sense that those scum would see an interracial child as less than human. Most shows don't have the balls to go these places, so it's very hard watching but I applaud them at the same time. It's like, how come there are no zombie kids in the Walking Dead. There's only been 2 walker kids and they were only shown because there were related to the characters.
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I have wondered before how long (how many seasons) could Proctor keep getting away with everything without it becoming ridiculous (not that I think he is caught for good this time) and what would happen when he does. Who would become the main bad guy?
Out of the few possibilities Rebecca was the one who stood out as the most interesting. She is already being groomed for the business by Proctor and seems ruthless and possibly smart enough to run this sort of enterprise.
In this episode, by not telling her uncle about Hood breaking in, she made what looked to be a very calculated move to get rid of Proctor.

Hood is being stupid and careless lying to get a warrant, it will be hard enough to to get Proctor convicted without hampering the investigation himself. It could cause him many other problems also. He is making the same mistake as Carrie and Job - rushing in, only thinking of the goal with and not the possible consequences. If they want to have a life in Banshee they need to stop being so reckless.
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Rebecca is crazy. Her attraction to power (and to her uncle) is going to end up with her blindsiding everyone and ending up in a position of power.

The new ADA is ridiculous. No way she should have given Hood a warrant on his flimsy testimony. Hood is acting like a criminal, so I can forgive some of his mistakes, but she should have known better. A cop comes in and says I know someone who swears that so and so has guns in their basement and that's enough for a warrant? Please. There were a lot more believable (and probably more fun) ways they could have played this. (See Justified for unlawful entry of premise ideas).

I was really hoping we would play this game between Hood and Procter a little longer. With Hood all day everyday making Proctor his main concern, messing up his business', getting into his head and then bringing him down.

Also I love Siobhan dearly, but if she really believes that the stripper is in danger, than why not warn her, or get her protection? When that stripper shows up dead next week, that's as much on her as it is on him.

P.S I'm starting to think Sugar isn't going to make it out of this season alive. I hope I'm wrong.

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I believe the fight between Hood and Proctor will at least take another year. If he's gone, there's no one left in Banshee itself to challenge Hood. They only way would be if Rebecca took over after this year and I think she's not ready yet (and in ready I mean that others will not accept her in that role).
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O Rebecca that was a comfy chair you were sitting in and you are planning on sitting in it a lot more otherwise you would have warned Proctor someone was snooping around the house.
When last week I was predicting an eventual takeover by Rebecca I wasn't expecting it 1. this season 2. it being semi hostile.
Rebecca is Breaking Bad.
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Good wording!
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Her breaking bad.... well put.

But it is SOOO much fun to watch :D
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One of the very first lessons I learned from a Martial Arts teacher when I was 5 has been key throughout my life and I have in turn taught the same lesson to the various people I have helped learn self defense. That lesson is never go into a fight angry. More importantly don't let emotion take over you in a fight. If you do, you will miss something, you will be overtaken by it and you will make a mistake. You are correct Cory, Hood is making mistakes.

This is a tough lesson to learn for a lot of people and Hood has yet to learn it but I think he is about to. It would be a hard lesson for him because his emotion is what makes him a better fighter. His skills were birthed from emotion, from fear, from elation at killing a stronger and more skilled fighter in the Albino and it is what helps him defeat other opponents.

But not this time. This time he is letting his emotion overwhelm his sense. And in doing so it is going to get him very close to his demise. He is emotional in regards to Proctor over the death of Jason. So in a way he is fighting Proctor just not with his fists but his police actions. He, like many emotional people is focusing on the end result (beating Proctor) without concentrating on the fight and the next move to employ, the smarter move to employ. His focus and emotion led him into Proctor's house in order to find out what he had in there in order to arrest him. But his mistake in fighting terms is an over extension, you commit too much to a shot, if you connect you potentially end the fight, but if you miss, you leave yourself wide open for a counter. And he left himself wide open. Proctor and Rebecca sussed out who had access to the house. Whether Juliette was the confidential informant or not, as we witnessed in the room she is the only other person that had been in the house. Hood's mistake is likely going to get her killed.

He was too focused on the end result and screwed up, when there was no need to do that. You know what Proctor has in his room. OK. That is a shot or move to use later when you have him against the ropes, that is a finishing move, not a move you use in the middle of the fight. Hood, thinking clearly, wouldn't make this kind of mistake. With someone like Proctor you are playing chess. Keep messing with the little things that frustrate him and give him some solid shots. Then we he is looking somewhere else then you hit him with a warrant and then you stumble onto his room and then you have him. This was a rookie mistake of Hood and you can't make rookie mistakes when dealing with someone like Proctor.

Hood's other mistake, though still the same mistake, he just messed up more than one thing with it. And that Mistake was Emmet. As soon as he found out what happened he should have gone and taken care of the skinheads. He should not have left that up to Siobhan and Brock. This should have never involved a jail cell. This should have involved either three holes dug or one big hole. Hood dropped the ball with this, Emmet showing up and beating them near to death should never had happened. Or well it could have happened but just in an abandoned warehouse somewhere. But because Hood was focused on Proctor and then Alex, his absence allowed Emmet to do something that couldn't be hid or taken back.

Hood wasn't the only one making mistakes. Hood's mistake led to Emmet's mistake which is could come back around to bite Hood in the ass. Emmet focused on causing pain to the Skinheads, and you can't really blame him I would have done the same thing but perhaps worse. But he used the weapons from the Proctor arrest, he broke the chain of evidence, got their DNA all over it. Proctor's lawyer can use that as a technicality to dismiss part of the case. And when you couple that with the likely disappearance of Juliette you have a pretty open and shut case that goes bye bye. Not to mention that Emmet turned in his shield. I mean for crying out loud make up a story. One of the two faked an illness and Emmet checked on them, they jumped him and got his key, broke out the weapons and he got the better of them. Even though Shape likely has a punctured lung, internal bleeding, a severe concussion and perhaps a brain bleed or pressure on the brain. He is likely going to die. Again I can't blame Emmet because I would have done the same thing. But either way the actions of Emmet and Hood are likely to have repercussions that are going to spread to everything they touched this episode.

The one wild card though is going to be Rebecca. She knows that it wasn't Juliette and she knows all of the dirty secrets thus far. She could sink Proctor very easily and take over for him. She could have sunk Hood and earn her place next to Proctor. But she didn't. Her sitting at his desk in the beginning and her walking through what I think was his room at the end kind of lends one to think she might think she is ready to take over. If Alex was smart he would approach her and they could work together to get rid of Proctor and perhaps even Hood. Or hell even Nola and her would be an awesome team.

The whole thing with Carrie and the Family was kind of way back on the back burner. It was kind of a non story. Save for the beginning of the episode which was kind of hilarious.

Hood's last mistake is isolating the rest of his team with all of this nonsense with Proctor. Brock is going to try to get in there and widen that gap. But I do have to wonder what Hood would have answered to Siobhan had she gotten the chance to ask the question. Because you have to wonder what the question was going to be. I mean it has to be who are you, right ? She has to suspect that he is something other than what he is. I don't think she is going to care when/if she finds out. One of the things I like the most of this season is the progress of her and Hood's relationship and what that could potentially mean for Hood. I think he is over Carrie and I think he would perhaps potentially want a life with Siobhan. Fuck this show is good.

This show is so much better than what Justified is right now. That is the show I compare it too and it just blows it out of the water.
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As far as emotional descision during a fight go, I think Proctor as well is now set up to react emotional. At least during his arrest he was fairly emotional. His mistake is likely going to be that he concentrates on one enemy - Hood - and misses his other enemies: Rebecca and maybe Alex. Both have the potential to seriously hurt his interest. Rebecca can errode his powerbase and Alex his financial future.


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Good points. Rebecca can sink him very easily. It makes me wonder if that is where they are going, they are getting close to the end of the season. Rebecca taking Proctor's seat could easily be one of the endings.

I also have to wonder about Rabbit and Proctor. That seems like such a natural partnership, especially now with Hood making such a bold move against Proctor.
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If Rebecca somehow makes sure that Proctor stays in prison, she could be running things for him on the outside. I don't think Proctors people would be willing to take orders from her without his OK - especially that psycho-sidekick he's got.

Anyways, I certainly will enjoy the resolution of those conflicts, whichever way they go.
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Firstly I have to say that Alan Ball is a genius. We all know what a great job has has done with True Blood specially in the earlier seasons, but Banshee is just outstanding.

Banshee is 1 of 4 of my favorite shows of all times. The other 3 being 24, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. All very different shows but all are very outstanding.

These little moments like when you see Emmett having breakfast with his pregnant wife and up the street you see the white supremacy guys, and at that moment you just know that something really bad is going to happen. These little moments make the show just brilliant.

And WTF with that twisted sexual tension between Rebecca and Proctor, but at the same time you can also sense the love (not sexual) hate feeling she has towards him........Maybe it's just a twisted way of getting Proctor's attention because of her daddy issues......F*cked if I know.

I just hope this show will be renewed beyond season 3


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You have great tastes;-)
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Honestly I can't believe this is the same guy that did True Blood.
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People seem to think Alan Ball is the brains behind this show. He's an executive producer who helped get the show off it's feet because of his star power, and is probably an advisor of sorts but the high quality of the show is not because of him. The majority of it goes to Greg Yaitanes, Jonthan Tropper, and David Schickler. Alan Ball has not written or directed one episode of the show. If he was in charge, the show would be in trouble, as True Blood showed he is just a slightly more talented Ryan Murphy who can't keep a show running properly for one or more seasons. Him and his retarded ideas are what killed True Blood, and if it wasn't for that great ending on Six Feet Under, that show would be maligned in history because of it's later years.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I just get irritated when people think this show is great because of Alan Ball.
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I did say True Blood in the earlier seasons regarding Alan Ball. But Alan being executive producer of the show would have a great influence which way the show is heading.

I don't take offense Sam20 as I appreciate other people's opinion to my posts.
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Ah, then that explains why it is so good. I was going with it is great despite Ball.
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@Sam20

Werepanthers.
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I know, it was mainly directed towards Jake, I just decided to comment by responding to you, so you'd know too. lol

I can already see the train wreck this show would be if Ball was at the helm.
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Not much really gets to me in terms of violence in television and film, people talk about things being hard to watch and stuff but more often than not it doesn't get to me. There's a disconnect, I'm always very aware of the fact it's not real, so movies like 12 Years a Slave that have mega violence aren't hard for me to watch. But seeing a pregnant woman kicked in the stomach is too much even for me, I have to admit I winched at that, even the one neo-nazi guy thought it was too far. Emmett was well within his rights as a husband and soon to be father to beat those guys like he did, it's just a shame he had to lose his job over it.
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There still is a difference between the two. Twelve years a slave was based on the biography of the man who really endured it. And what I read on slavery, it probably has been worse to him then what they showed us in the film. Although I despise the idea of kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach, that scene had no biography behind. Both, the slavery in the film and the kicking scene have regrettable been reel for far to much times and far to much occurrences..
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He hasn't lost his job yet. I doubt that Hood is going to take him leaving. Because Hood likely would have just shot them.
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Emmett wife appearing when we did not even know he was married was a bit out of place. Other than that, this episode was generally good. I liked Hood is going all out for Proctor and it is good to see Proctor get caught for once.

Rebecca seems to be our MVP this episode. She was the one who pointed out to Proctor about the leak. She knew it would probably get the girl killed and she was sitting on her chair some moments ago reading a card from her kid. This plus the fact that she purposely undress herself infront of Proctor. Beautiful Rebecca is perhaps more evil that I originally thought she is. She was already ambitious and I guess the actions of Proctor in the last few more episode might have make her realized how much evil she can stomach. I think Proctor have created a monster.

Emmett should take Hood's advise and continue to be a husband who is around for his wife. The skinheads deserved it !


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Agree with you on Rebecca. But they show two sides of her: the touched, uncomfortable one when remembering the killing of Jason and her actions to Kai (dressing, seat, not telling about Hood). Is she planning a revenge, does she want to take over or is she on the brink of a breakdown?
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Just to add into the other comments above, she did appear in an episode of season 1 (I think when the kids get held hostage at the school, if I recall correctly), but she was also mentioned when Hood and Emmett go into the Aryan Nation territory in season 1, when Hood jokes "don't worry guys, his wife is white!".
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Ah yes your right, Hood mentions her not Emmet.
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Actually Emmett mentions a "White wife" in Season 1.
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Emmett's wife (Meg) was in S1 E7, telling Emmett she was pregnant.
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Okay my bad for forgetting that.
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I remember Hood mentioning Emmett had a wife somewhere in the middle of season one.
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Awesome episode. Fuuuuuuck I love this show. Banshee's without a doubt arguably my favorite show now.
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This show just gets better and better.
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Perhaps the ladies of the tv.com parish might advise: how often would one, following Rebecca's example, float around the mansion in sheer night attire unless one knew that a gentleman caller was expected. In my experience of the breastly- advantaged, most girls elect for a t-shirt, slippers and pj bottoms of an evening- at least that's how my wife gets ready for bed and she knows I'm going to be home...
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It's not that she wears skimpy clothes around the house, it's that she wears skimpy clothes around her UNCLE. Seriously who wouldn't put on a top before saying come in. Then opening her bra while he is still in the room. She is playing a game with him but it is f*cked up
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I have never seen my wife in a t-shirt, slippers and pj in the evening, only an XL t-shirt just before going to bed. She always wanted to dress well any time.
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Maybe that's all she owns, she doesn't appear to own any casual or unsexy clothes or she thought it was Proctor downstairs and is always very little in front of him.
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Doesn't do comfy...
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so you aren't a "gentleman caller"? lol;-) j/k

PJ bottoms? nope. An XL t-shirt is the most comfortable and they are big enough that you don't need bottoms (they are long enough to work as mini-dresses). Sheerness is fine if alone (and it is comfortable). If not alone then it depends on who else is there.
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You are right but ain't reality boring :-)
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For me, this week's most insane person in Banshee was SUGAR. What was he thinking mediating between Proctor and "Hood" at the bar? That's like placing yourself between cannibalizing galaxies for that matter.
Also I don't know what to think of Rebecca(again) and this:

Longshadow has all the reason to team up with "Hood" but he has also all the reason in the world to betray "Hood" and keep his relationship with Proctor.
Was it just me or was anybody else happy for NOT having to look at the dreadful, yellow #banshee on screen for the first time in ages?
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Until now Alex hardly seems to be able to stand up for himself. He seemed to have inherited the job from his father and every time he is challenged, somebody else like his sister or Kai come to his rescue. Now Nola, that a completely different story. She is a gorgeous, evil little bitch that has the potential to f*ck around with every one. they're just holding her back for a grand comeback.
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Yes, PLEASE! More Nola...
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don't come between my galaxies!

I wonder if Alex is clever enough to play both sides…

Two buildings blowing up (the casino last season and the warehouse this season)--where are the FBI, ATF, NSA, ETC… Or did they cover it up as a "gas leak"...
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Is it possible to motorboat galaxies? lol, j/k
Also: Everything what mate wrote.
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Alex? no. Nola? Yes. Nola vs all three and her taking the reins of the Tribe would be pretty freaking perfect.
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Who is Job tighter with: Hood or Carrie? I use to think Hood but he did keep Carrie's location a secret when Hood called him from prison. Now he does a job (lol) with Carrie and doesn't tell Hood. Don't get me wrong, I adore Job but I just wonder where his loyalties fall
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Ha it's like who got Job in the divorce? Another way of looking at it is that Carrie and Hood shouldn't put Job in the middle of their sh*t.
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Hood. If you watch the webisodes you'll see that he and Hood were a team before Hood met Carrie. Job taught him how to boost cars. He's helping Carrie because he likes her, but if push came to shove, I'm sure he would choose Hood… well pretty sure, unless her kids were involved.
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The webisodes also show Job lying to Hood for Carrie however Carrie was sitting across from Job
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In also always had the feeling that Job is always on Hood's side. He liked carrie because Hood likes/d her and he now has a small soft spot for her.
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True, but I always thought that was for Hood's own good. 15 years obsessing about someone who's pregnant with your child, and then just disappears on you isn't a great way to do time.

He's been trying to get Hood to leave town since he showed up, he wants him to leave Anna/Carrie in the past, for both their sakes.
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true and it would be the best decision but I'm glad Hood makes poor decisions (in this case) or else we wouldn't have a show
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He was hesitant but I think Carrie mentioning it is for her kid that really push Job into it. Actually if Hood now, he probably would have join in as well and I think Carrie did not want Hood to risk for her again.
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I think Job is an exemplary good friend to both.
Sometimes you have to lie to one to honor the other's wishes.
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I can't believe the show has the balls to pull an "Inside*" move like kicking a pregnant woman in her belly! I like being surprised. I feel so bad for Emmett and his wife. It justified his killing of the skinheads and part of me was thrilled he did it but at the same time horrified at the thought of him losing his job and going to jail. I hope Hood and company save him from that but Emmett seems like the type of person who would be honest about it and not want people to cover for him. I adore Emmett and he has lost enough. I know he shouldn't of killed the skinheads but at the same time I wanted those guys to suffer (jail wouldn't of been a harsh enough punishment for the guy who did the kicking).
Now Emmett's wife not only lost her baby but is likely to lose her husband. Tragic.

*fairly obscure movie reference

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Kicking a pregnant woman is never cool. Emmett should just accept Hood's help so he can continue to be a husband who is around.
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When I saw him offering his help, I kept wondering what kind of excuse they could come up with. The only one I could think of that he came to close to the (prison) cell, one of them got him, knocked him out, took his keys, freed the other(s) and then Emmet woke up again and fought them. That still doesn't explain the damage Emmet did to them.
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If I was a dirty cop I would say the two guys with lesser damage attacked the other guy, [I'd also say they were all in the same cell at the time, each prisoner occassionally being removed individually for interview] then after opening the door to try and break it up, things got even more out of hand, but Emmet managed to subdue all 3 but not till after they had done significant damage to one another, oh and the guy that might not survive was also the confidential informant that gave up the information for the warrant about Proctors weapons which was probably the reason he was attacked by his criminal conspirators in the first place. Case closed!
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Good news, everyone:
Emmett didn't kill anyone! The nazis can go on with their nazi things happily ever after. Sharpe is now maybe a little dull but he wasn't exactly a brainiac before, so... The worst the state could do is taking Emmett's badge I hope. Poor Emmett and even more his wife. Sometimes enough is enough but kicking my unborn child to death and attacking my pregnant wife in the first place would have been sufficient reason to see red for anyone - I liked Emmett's speech to Hood, clarifying that he didn't "snap".
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But still, one of them kicked Emmet's wife and the unborn child died because of that. As far as I know from US law, still a murder one or murder two and if they all agreed to harass her before, they are all guilty of that crime. We shouldn't 'be seeing them for a long time. The fact that they got the crap beaten out of them shouldn't matter on their own trial.
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you're right!
I totally missed Brock's status report on the skinheads. All alive;-( but Sharpe sounds really messed up;-).
I wonder if he tries to sue the sheriff's department will he go "missing"
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White supremacists are pussies and assholes, so they won't do anything anymore and Sharpe won't sue or talk to or walk to anyone else for the rest of his life.
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I agree with you, he won't do that.
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Rebecca started taking of her clothing and Kai left the room. She creeped me out more then Kai. Also her sitting in Kai's chair was very telling. As was her seeing Hood in the house and not telling Kai and not moving the weapons. I wonder if she is Hood's informant (in addition to the dancer with a child). She maybe trying to take over Kai's business but that is just one theory and I don't think it is the case yet. I don't think she is ready to run a business. However if she is slick enough to set up her uncle's downfall then that may be a step in the right direction. I am fascinated with both characters and would like them both to be active in the show (don't want Kai locked up in prison--at least not for long).

Is the implication of the mob being connected to Kai new? I can't remember. Wasn't that bit about the guys back in Philly (was it Philly) new? Regardless, that was an interesting development.
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I don't think Rebecca is an informant. There's no reason to think that Hood has received any information other than what he got from Juliette. Also, it would be a weird choice to make it some kind of "twist" that Rebecca is working with Hood. It seems like it would be much better TV to just show their conversations.
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she kind of worked with Hood when she didn't tell Kai about Hood being in the house
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Withholding information from Kai is not the same as informing. By not telling Kai, she has power over Hood (know something about you) and over Kai (I've got some information that might set you free). Graudually she understands more and more in what kind of world she (seems to) live in and what role she could play. It makes her a very dangerous person.

I'm struggling a bit with the other pictures they are giving us of her, those where she seems less in control, like the one in the meat factory. Lets just say: interesting where it might take us.
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accomplice after the fact
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Rebecca wasn't very pleased about Jason be murdered literally on top of her. I suspect she was the informant and she threw Juliette under the bus as collateral damage to get Kai put away. After all, where did Hood come up with guns? Basement yes, from Juliette the dancer, but guns came out of seemingly nowhere. Setting up for season 3 - Kai vs Rebecca. Rabbit vs Hood, Kai vs Hood, Rebecca???? Nola???? Lets just go with 'everyone has secrets'.

Episode MVP for me is Brock - dude is much much smarter than his innocent face suggests.
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"but guns came out of seemingly nowhere"

Did you miss the part where he illegally entered Proctor's house, went down to the basement, searched it, found the secret door to the secret room, went inside and found all the guns?
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Rebecca saw Hood in the house and didn't tell Kai. That is very suspicious and I wonder if there was conversation between the two of them. Even if no conversation, I'd think she was an accomplice if I were Kai and found out about her seeing Hood in the house and not telling.
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I agree, but I wonder why she threw Juliette under the bus. She didn't know that Juliette was the other informant. My immediate reaction was: as revenge for Jason - in a way that makes her and Kai even, everyone gets one lover killed. And after watching Kai and Juliette, maybe at the same time she gets rid of a competitor...
I think Rebecca was pretty annoyed that Kai could have sex with whoever he wanted but she couldn't - or more accurately Kai wouldn't let her.
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She didn't know that Juliette was the informant but it was a solid guess since Juliette is sleeping with Proctor, and it connected to Rebecca and Juliette's brief meeting at the start. I'm guessing for a missing or dead Juliette next week since Proctor sent Clay to her house.
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@marlboromagpi I can see that I would be in the minority with Proctor not being attracted to Rebecca, but I think he would need to dominate sexually and she is too aware of her sexiness, if you get me. I don't really see it in his body language. I think she makes him uncomfortable flaunting herself alright. I just really hope they don't, that nothing happens there, it really really creeps me out. If that's the writers aim, they are doing a fantastic job!
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Agree, it's not about sex it's about power. Rebecca has always used her looks and sex as means of manipulation. Proctor uses violence. Proctor asserted his control over Rebecca by using violence to kill Jason, it made it all the more relevant because Rebecca was having sex at the time, which is her power base. So Proctor wins round one. Rebecca taking her clothes off in front of Procter is her trying to manipulate him, but I think Proctor has no interest in her sexually. I also think that Rebecca hasn't fully decided which side she is on. She is stuck on team Proctor but she isn't one hundred per cent with him or she would have told him about Hood.


I agree with everything else except Proctor not having an interest in her sexually. He definitely does but he is either trying to restraint himself from crossing the line or he have yet to decide whether to cross it.
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Juliette was the only other person allow into Kai house so its an educated guess on Rebecca's part.
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I was wondering what Rebecca's motives are but what you mentioned make a lot of sense.
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Oh, I think Rebecca started to take her clothes of on purpose. She was talking about Kai's selfcontrol a few seconds earlier and I think she knows that he wants her on some level. So I think with that she was testing his willpower to resist her and at the same time she was trying out her "powers" as a woman. Same way she was trying out the "powerchair" later on.
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I still don't get what's going on with those two. If Kai is choosing to resist her, then why force her to be celibate? And why would she want to flirt with that psycho after what he just did? She had to be thinking that there's a chance that she will end up getting raped. Does she want to sleep with him?
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Kai knows she cannot have her and he has adopted the policy if I cannot have her no one else can. One day he might be unable to resist and have her after all. If he does not there is no way she can resist too. Rebecca knows that. Rebecca is in it for the comfort,safety and power. She will definitely find a way to get rid of Kai and get herself into power if she can but for me she probably still need Kai. One thing I think she has discovered if her capacity for evil. She gave up the stripper easily even though she just saw the card sent by the stripper;s daughter and she watch Jason being grind into a burger.
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I think their relationship and sexual tension is sort of an analogy for power. Kai has it and exerts it over Rebecca, she wants it and despises his power (control) over her and her sex-life.
It is less about the sex and more about what it and who controls it stands for. Basically those to - at least to me - are engaged in a powerstruggle.

That both of them are a bit insane and psychopathic is besides the point :D
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Agree, it's not about sex it's about power. Rebecca has always used her looks and sex as means of manipulation. Proctor uses violence. Proctor asserted his control over Rebecca by using violence to kill Jason, it made it all the more relevant because Rebecca was having sex at the time, which is her power base. So Proctor wins round one. Rebecca taking her clothes off in front of Procter is her trying to manipulate him, but I think Proctor has no interest in her sexually. I also think that Rebecca hasn't fully decided which side she is on. She is stuck on team Proctor but she isn't one hundred per cent with him or she would have told him about Hood.
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agree 100% with everything

Rebecca was definitely taking off her clothes on purpose.
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More awesomesauce, please!! So good, if very sad for Emmett and the missus. I love how pretty much all of the good guys have caught a case of the Hoods at this point- everyone's ready to lay some smack down. Although I figure these last two episodes are going to show some heavy consequences for such badassery. And I guess we'll see the return of the BANG- Big Ass Native Guy- and finally get the one-on-one between him and Hood...
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Proctor showed a lot of restraint when he chose not to fight back against Hood. It didn't even seem to be a difficult choice for him. This makes it even harder to understand why he was so reckless with Jason. I think this episode offered a partial explanation: He thought that Hood wouldn't care that he murdered some random young man. This seems pretty naive.

The other cops were smart to not let Emmet come with them to arrest those guys, but really really dumb to not makes sure that he didn't go anywhere near those cells.

It also appears that no one spoke to a witness. That was weird. If they had, they would have known that the big guy with a shaved head and tattoos punched her once, that the smaller guy with hair kicked her in the gut when she was unconscious, and that the third guy never hit her.

Hood was either extremely naive or an extreme asshole when he chose to say that the CI had seen the guns getting moved into the basement. She's obviously going to die, and when that happens, he's going to be almost as responsible as if he had pulled the trigger himself. Siobahn is going to be pissed, but I wonder if Hood will even understand that it was his fault.

Proctor still trusts Rebecca? Why? Why is Rebecca still flirting with Proctor and walking around the house dressed like that? Why didn't she tell him that Hood had been there? Why did she blame the Stripper when she knew that this would get her killed?

I guess the answer to those last questions are these: He trusts her because she's still flirting with him. (What a fool. In this situation, it's a reason to not trust her). She didn't mention that Hood had been there because she wants Proctor out of the picture. She blamed the stripper to make sure that Proctor wouldn't suspect her, and because she really doesn't mind being the cause of some stripper's death.

Something I've been wondering for a long time: How small does a town need to be to only have four cops?
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According the internet the ratio is 2.3 officers per thousand residents. So 2000ish residents in Banshee?
I think Proctor trusts Rebecca because she is family first and foremost, second he thinks she has nowhere to go and that she trusts/needs him. I think she is scarred of Proctor but trapped there. Where else will she go? She is not stupid enough to go against Proctor unless he is completely taken down, she knows what he is capable of. She knows Hood is after Proctor and that Hood is probably the only other person in the town who could or might want to help her if she went against Proctor, so she didn't burn that bridge by telling Proctor Hood was in the house. Also it was too late to tell Proctor when he was in jail that she had seen Hood in the house because that would have blown back on her big time. I also think she is wasting her time flirting with Proctor, I think he is not interested in her sexually and that he is very aware that she is playing a game with him.
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I still don't get why Carrie felt she couldn't bring Hood and Sugar into it. So what if it's for Max? Why does that mean Hood can't help? Stupid -- of her, not the writers.

Kai is not going to prison. The hooker will be dead or at least beaten into recanting whatever she said. That will push Siobhan over the edge. She and Hood will be over. She won't be able to accept his disregard for the hooker's life.

And, Hood is going to SUFFER for what he did to Kai. I'm not looking forward to that.

I actually really liked Kai's initial response. "I understand about the strip club. And, even the warehouse. We're cool. But, WHY go after the meat factory?" Love it.

Very satisfying outcome for the skinheads, but I don't want to see Emmet go away. Hard to see a believable out, though.

Nice to see the Hopewell family slowly coming together. And, cool that the writers didn't jump in with both feet. "Stay for dinner" is better than "stay the night" or "Come home", which was what I expected.
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Carrie did not want Hood to risk for her again and Job did it because of her kid.
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Also, why did Job go along with Carrie's request?
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Because Carrie is a friend in need.

And Job needs money too. Remember, Job is now broke because of Hood? Hood lead Rabbit's men to Job's salon, which resulted in Job losing his livelihood?

Better question is Job working for Hood for free, as a gopher?

Another good question: Why does Jo let Hood chastise him? I was waiting a reply from Job, involving MoFo, but no, Job is now just Hood's lackey
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I agree with the friend in need, not sure if he needed the money. Although his salon is closed for business (thoughts to Rabit's men), he never said he was in it for the cash. He probably still has his part in earlier robberies they did stashed somewhere.
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I didn't get the impression that Job was planning on taking a cut of this job. It was for Max.
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A very powerful but deeply depressing ep.
The opening and Hood's reaction to it by saying I could've helped was also deeply annoying to me. His continual playing suck up to Carrie has gone too far. Prison time. Bitch time. Ad nauseum. It's the 'ironic' writing of every woman wants to fuck him and be with him but he's the bitch to one and that's been grating for a while now - although that aint going away any time soon.
The surprise was that 'the other two' needed to bring Hood up to speed with Emmett to work his chaos, but didn't. Playing the race card and inputting such a heavy speech was open to fakery and is so often present in US 'guilt ridden' dramas but, in this case, the writing felt sincere and Demetrius Grosse gave a superb delivery. I really hope they find a way of keeping him.
Rebecca's sitting in 'the chair' and letting Hood go is a future power play - as I've thought for weeks. And her throwing the stripper under the bus demonstrated how quickly she's realising her potential. It looks like her dodgy uncle could soon be 'reigning' from inside, however, I'm guessing that Emmett should've set Kai free with his 'tampering of evidence'.
Oh and her beign uncomfortable and waiting for Kai to leave so she could undress? PLEASE. She totally orchestrated that.
Am I alone in wanting Mr Spectacles and Hood to at last throw down?

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so true--& "Oh and her being uncomfortable and waiting for Kai to leave so she could undress? PLEASE. She totally orchestrated that."
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I completely agree with you on that. She was very aware of what was happening and how it might effect Kai. She is becoming quite a bitch.
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she is becoming ruthless
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Thanks for the spell check! I read my own spiel as 'benign' (WTF) just now - read of that how you will.
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my ---& came out as --&
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Yes, but the writers need to hold something back. If those two Speck and Hood go at it, now, we'll lose the suspense of wondering who'd win.
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I'd actually prefer to see them stand together in some big dust up where the threat was mutual, to at least quell the pretence of fear alone for a bit.
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Agreed. I liked it when they were wary allies. Kai had it right when he said, "You and I have a complicated relationship".
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