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Discussion - "Escape Velocity" (U.S. air date 4/25/08) (spoilers)

How would you rate this episode?

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    gcswift2

    [21]Apr 25, 2008
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    Again no PODCAST??!??

    Whatever... This episode was so much fun. They just keep adding layers of flavor and texture. I guess they were trying to make up for all the Baltar fans for last week.

    I like where they seem to be going with Lee and his collision course with Roslin.

    I like what they're doing with Tory. I realize long ago that Ms. Sharma was a Beautiful woman, but this season her character is down right SEXY... DAMN!

    I don't know where they're going with Chief (oops) Specialist Tyrol, I'm struggling to understand what that is all about.

    Whats going on with Tigh and Caprica?

    Wow, instead of wrapping up plotlines they've opened new possibilities. Cool

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    hazelnut144

    [22]Apr 25, 2008
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    That was very very wacky. Only word I can think of that seems to fit. It definitely wasn't as emotionally tearing as the last episode, but I think it made up for in pure weirdness.

    First of all, the Adama/Roslin scenes were absolutely adorable. I think Eddie James Olmos likes them too. The last episode he directed had the adorable scene in his quarters where they are talking about what to do with Baltar.

    Six physically lifting Baltar up?? I mean I guess we've seen the equivalent before with her smashing his head into mirrors etc. But I really don't blame the people who think that he's talking to god. And the upshot of his speech was that no matter how horrible a person you are God loves you anyways?? Wow. That could turn interesting. I need to watch the speech again, but I'm thinking that when it flashed to other people during that speech, there was probably some relation between what he is saying at the moment, and that character. Like in Kara's ten second scene (okay yeah I'm a bit bitter about that - I love Kara) he is talking about knowing who you are or something like that...I would say Kara having a bit of an identity crisis is an accurate description.

    Lee is just finally being totally himself, the impractical idealist, who is so sure that he is right. And like Roslin says, he IS right. But its like Roslin said. The fleet can't afford to always do what is "right".

    Tory is just creeping me out even more now. That scene with Baltar. Speaking of which, did that conversation bear a bit of a similarity to the one with Six and Tigh? Or is that just me? I need to watch that again.

    Tigh and Six/Ellen...wow...that was very random. And it kept me wondering whether she knew about him or not.

    And am I the only one who was sure that they had killed Racetrack??

    Edited on 04/25/2008 8:56pm
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    montogma23

    [23]Apr 25, 2008
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    I like this episode.I didn't care for much of the cheif's scenes.Don't get me wrong, arron did a fantastic acting job-i loved that part of the scenes-they just got a bit repetitive for me.

    Loved the six/saul scenes.They would actually make a really good couple!I hope they do get together.

    My favorite scenes were the quorum and baltar.Looks like the quorum is finally getting fed up with rolsin.I must say, i've really enjoyed seeing lee up her and put her in her place.Aside from the fact that baltar was responsible for the attacks on caprica and what happened on new caprica-she is the female version of baltar.She's just as much a relgious fanatic as he is, she used her beliefs and what other people believed in to split the fleet up to get people to follow her in season 2, and she claimed to be the dying leader-a messiah like figure just like baltar is doing now, heck she got people to kneel on the ground and kiss her hands!She was pretty much describing herself when she was describing baltar.She's such a hypocrite i can't stand her anymore.I can't wait untill she goes.

    However, after watching this episode for some odd reason i'm starting to get this feeling that lee might be the actual messiah and that baltar is the anti-christ.
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    Madcat382

    [24]Apr 25, 2008
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    hazelnut144 wrote:

    And am I the only one who was sure that they had killed Racetrack??

    I was sure surprised that Racetrack and Skull (was that what they called him?) got out of that crash without a scratch. When the Raptor was tumbling around the landing bay it looked to me like the whole cockpit section was torn away.

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    nckzvnbr

    [25]Apr 25, 2008
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    Is it any coincidence that when Tyrol shaves his head (I think the next episode clip at the end of the episode showed it as well as some of the season promos) he looks like Vincent D'onofrio's character from Full Metal Jacket. It is interesting that Vince's character there commits suicide after taking the Sarge with him and the next episode promo showed Tyrol holding a gun to his head. Just search vincent D'onofrio and full metal jacket images and you will see what I am talking about. So maybe Tyrol will kill himself than wake up in the place between life and death.
    Edited on 04/25/2008 10:40pm
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    nckzvnbr

    [26]Apr 25, 2008
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    I think Tyrol is just at the beginning of his descent. We will probably see hims slip farther and farther from sanity each episode til lthe end. I think that Tyrol's outburst at Adama over his deceased wife was partly what he felt and partly what he felt as part of the Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance stages of mourning. Further, according to preceding episodes a cylon could not have a child without love; thus, there must have been at least the requisite amount thereof for him and Cally to have conceived. In light of his own identity crisis I think the outburst was largely an attempt by him to dehuminize her and make her death easier and seemingly less his fault. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
    Edited on 04/25/2008 10:41pm
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    tribalchic

    [27]Apr 25, 2008
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    this episode was indeed very dark and heavy on all accounts.It really delved into the darker side of the fleet with tyrol decent into self hatred and tigh's quest for some kind of absolution from caprica six.Baltar was again the scene stealer of the episode, but thats really not a surprise since Callis allways outdoes himself in terms of brilliance delivering such a beautifully poignant speech almost at the point of complete psychosis.

    I personally love episodes like this where they rely on almost total character development intead of kara blowing things up left and right to keep things interesting.What sets BSG apart from every other sci-fi themed show is that they aren't afraid to really take time to dig deep down and explore each character completely and this was the perfect example.

    Edited on 04/25/2008 10:35pm
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    clos_vf

    [28]Apr 26, 2008
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    i have a feeling Lee might "convert" and believe in the one God like Baltar and his followers he has been helping him out a lot. Who else thinks so hot 6 and confused Saul got it on?
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    123home123

    [29]Apr 26, 2008
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    Part of Tyrol's tirade revealed that he still loves Boomer, and now he truly realizes how messed up that situation is. He carried on an affair with Boomer and stood by her even when the evidence began to pile up that she was a Cylon. Then he was faced with the fact that she tried to kill Adama. He was disgusted by the mere thought that he had slept with a Cylon.

    Then Cally kills Boomer and he admits his lingering feelings for her. He has trouble accepting that Caprica Sharon (later Athena) is not the same person as Boomer. He saves Caprica Sharon from being raped by Lt. Thorne and faces execution because of his actions. He has the strange suicidal dreams and then he beats the crap out of Cally. Then he marries her only to live under the domination of Boomer and her Cylon pals on New Caprica.

    He helps execute the Cylon collaborators and then discovers the Temple of the Five on the algae planet. He learns that he is one of the Five and then Cally dies. So he rejected Boomer because she was a Cylon and married Boomer's "assassin" only to learn that he himself was a Cylon, so he could have been with Boomer all along. Well, except for that assassination part. But when he did see Boomer again, he was already married to Cally. Pretty crazy story for Tyrol.

    Tigh is going through the same thing, the regrets about his past actions because of his previous attitudes about the Cylons. He killed Ellen because he thought she collaborated with the Cylons on New Caprica, and then he discovers that he is a Cylon himself. I guess that would be enough to make anyone feel sick. The scenes with Tigh in the episode were pretty strange and surreal.

    I don't think I can post a regular review because... well, because I've been taking so much Claritin-D this week for my pollen allergies that my senses feel a bit dull, and nothing seems to hit me emotionally this week. I'll have to watch this episode again after the pollen dies down and I can stop taking the Claritin. I did think that the story might have jumped around a little too much but I think when I watch it without the Claritin-D, I'll find the dual scenes with Baltar getting beaten by the Marine guard and Tigh getting pounded by Caprica Six more powerful.

    On a side note, I see that we have our two unknown trolls who rush to rate each and every episode abysmal on both the episode guide and the poll in the episode discussion thread. I really don't get the obsession with tracking a show one apparently hates and making sure one votes a 1.0/abysmal each and every week, and marking an automatic disagree with every positive review, week after week. It seems to be similar to the religious fanaticism that we saw in this episode, with the Sons of Ares and their brutal attack on Baltar's followers, and the unswerving devotion to Baltar among his flock. I suppose we'll be seeing those same 2 negative votes on every remaining episode of the series, regardless of their quality.

    Other notes: The ECO (electronic countermeasures officer) on the Raptor was "Skulls" McCall. He was in the Raptor when Racetrack first discovered New Caprica back in Season 2.

    Dee was absent again, further signaling that she has largely been written out of the show this season (unless something surprising happens, which I don't think will occur). With Lee in his civilian role, there isn't much of a role for Dee anymore. The other major storylines (Baltar's religious movement, Kara's independent search for Earth, the Final Five, Roslin's cancer, Lee's political career) require screentime and Dee doesn't fit in with any of those ongoing stories.
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    arof

    [30]Apr 26, 2008
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    There are two big elements of this episode that worth mentioning, that people may not get on the first viewing (which is a good thing, even if they were a little over-masked):

    1. The somewhat mirrored nature of the episode. It starts with an "old gods" sermon and ends with a "one god" sermon (the first true sermon for that side). It breaks down somewhat in the middle, but is still there.

    2. The bigger one: Saul makes the comment about Six before talking to her the first time: "Don't know how it doesn't go nuts." The same goes for all of them, it seems. Six in how she behaves at the end of the episode, and all the rest of the revealed 4/5. Saul in most of his behavior, Tyrol in most of his behavior, Anders not so much revealed, but even Tory in the way she's seemingly accepting of the Baltar/Cylon mindset. Quite a few of Six's and Tory's lines are fairly perplexing even if they are delivered in a solid way, it's obvious underneath there's a lot more going on.

    2a. THIS IS A CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT EPISODE. IT WILL SEEM SLOW, BUT YOU'LL GET IT IF YOU LOOK. (Sorry about the caps, this point is going over the heads of those that only gave it a quick look and it bugged the frak out of me.)

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    oldsage

    [31]Apr 26, 2008
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    I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Yet another that proves that good character writing is what this show is all about.

    The nature of "head-Six" really fascinates me. It's been nagging me since the first season that she's more than just a halluncination, and now it appears that this is being played out. Not that I actually believe she's a physical manifestation that was actually able to lift Baltar, but it's clear she's more than just an aspect of Baltar's mind.

    It looks like next episode is focusing more on the Demitrius, which is good because Anders' character is in desperate need for some development. I hope Michael Trucco has the acting chops to pull it off. The presence of Boomer on that ship will be significant, it seems.

    Finally, I was happy to see that Laura Roslin is returning to the sort of person we've grown to expect over the season. The last few episodes have portrayed her as somewhat unhinged and irrational, and although I don't necessarily agree with her methods, I can respect her a lot more.

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    rslade70

    [32]Apr 26, 2008
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    I rated the episode as good. Not great, but not bad (we've all seen better). I did wonder though some things. The way the Cheif was talking about Boomer made me think he still loves her. Boomer is so messed up right now voting against her own model, I wonder if the two will get together further down the road.
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    ribex

    [33]Apr 26, 2008
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    oldsage wrote:

    It looks like next episode is focusing more on the Demitrius, which is good because Anders' character is in desperate need for some development. I hope Michael Trucco has the acting chops to pull it off. The presence of Boomer on that ship will be significant, it seems.

    That's Athena on the Demetrius, not Boomer.

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    adiav

    [34]Apr 26, 2008
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    That was a really hard episode to watch.

    I mean, I get the theme - knowing who you really are, and acceptance of yourself and your choices - but so much of it left me unsettled at best. That was the first time I recall getting to the end of an episode and going "Is that it?", not in a "but I want to know more!" way, but in an "I waited all week for this?", unsatisfied way.

    Sure, it had its moments. The Roslin and Adama scenes were adorable as ever, Tyrol's memorial speech at the beginning was poignant, and scenes other than that (Tigh freaking out because of Caprica Six's phrasing, and Mental Caprica Six lifting Baltar off the ground and using him as a marionette as examples), but otherwise, at best it was... yeah, unsettling is the best word I can find for it at 2am. Unsettling and not at all filling, like craving McDonald's all week and then ordering a Big Mac and eating it and thinking "Wow, that was underwhelming." Unsettling and underwhelming. Er, back to my point. Tyrol deriding Cally and abusing Adama as he did twisted my gut, Tory's gone all crazier than normal, and religious zealotry of any kind makes my skin crawl. I know these are just personal preferences, and no, I don't expect everything to be all "happy bunnies and fluffy kittens and sunshine", but when I combined that with the feeling like it was the Diet Coke of a BSG episode, I just had to rate it as "OK".

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    zukiki

    [35]Apr 26, 2008
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    While not a great episode, it was certainly better than the last two episodes. I really loved all the Tigh Ellen/Caprica stuff...no complaints just great. Some minor things I was kinda iffy on were say that horrific crash which was really cool, only to have the two pilots walk away without a scratch? I'm not saying that it's impossible, only that I didn't like it.

    Also. I get that Roslin is all whacked out on drugs, but I don't like how her mood swings are only happening between episodes in the finale she was fine, then last few episodes she was irrational, and this week she some 16 year-old school girl with a crush on Adama. Again, I'm not trying to say it's unrealistic, but only that it comes off as inconsistent writing, as any of the writers can know just kinda choose what kind of character she's gonna be this week.

    I'm really looking forward to next week, as the whole Kara/Leoben thing is a storyline I've been enjoying throughout the series

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    liacmf

    [36]Apr 26, 2008
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    i quite liked the episode, but there are few things that have been bugging me and i hoped would be answered this episode. they haven't...
    i looked around but couldn't find anything on it, so i'm hoping that i missed something and someone can explain it to me...

    how the hell is the Demetrius supposed to get back to the fleet if/when they do find Earth???
    and the fleet is still jumping on their own path to earth right? what path is that? where are they getting their directions? the book of Pythia again?

    then there's the whole "what happened to Hera?", because if the people on the Demetrius knew they weren't going back it seems a bit odd that Athena and Helo would leave her behind... or take her, for that matter.

    oh and did they have endless reserves of ambrosia?

    i had a few that were more related to this particular episode, but i really can't remember now... have to start making a frakkin' list... love the show!
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    whalenapp81

    [37]Apr 26, 2008
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    hey just a random thought, but do you guys think the cavill that ellen slept with on new caprica is the same cavil that boomer is getting it on with now?, cause if so thats pretty pimp. anyways great show as always, cant wait for next week.
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    clos_vf

    [38]Apr 26, 2008
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    it was a good episode i was one of the 8 forum posters who rated it as a good episode. The first 3 episodes were great.
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    123home123

    [39]Apr 26, 2008
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    I think it's probably the same Cavil who was with Ellen on New Caprica. Yeah, he gets around.

    As for the Demetrius getting back to the fleet, I've been wondering about that myself. Kara has made so many course corrections and random FTL jumps that there is no way the Galactica could ever find her. The Demetrius would have to retrace its steps to find the fleet. But what about fuel reserves? I guess they could store a lot of extra tylium because they are on a freighter ship.

    This was a decent episode but I'd agree that it wasn't quite as good as the other episodes this season. Maybe there were too many separate story threads going on at the same time: Baltar's religious struggle, Tyrol's emotional meltdown, Tigh's identity crisis and the vision of Ellen. And that's without covering Kara and the crew of the Demetrius except for that brief scene near the end.

    However, I'm glad that the writers didn't just let Cally's death fade away and have the characters go on as if nothing had happened in the previous episode. But maybe there should have been a stronger focus on Tyrol and less time spent on either Baltar or Tigh. Tigh's story is similar to Tyrol's in that both are Final Five Cylons struggling with the deaths of their wives. Maybe Tigh's story could have been cut from the episode or moved to a different episode. Parts of it were redundant with Tyrol's story.
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    hazelnut144

    [40]Apr 26, 2008
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    Yeah I think there might have been too many storylines in the episode. But I have a feeling that the season might be like that for a while. If you think about it, last season, most of the storylines incorporated several of the main characters. Now a lot of them seem to have their own storyline, and there just isn't time to follow all of them in every episode. Like we didn't get any development on the seven cylons plot, or the Demetrius plot this week, but last week there was nothing on Baltar, and nothing on Caprica Six.
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