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Discussion-"He That Believeth In Me" (U.S. air date 4/4/08) (spoilers)

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    danharr

    [21]Apr 4, 2008
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    First off i'm so glad they took it back to the beginning and put the show back on Fridays like orginally great way to end the final season. As to the episode great how they handled Starbucks return and love the mystery around her since I don't think she's the fifth one it further complicates her return but I hope they use this as an excuse to get into time shifting and wormholes or other space theory. Her rebuke to Elders was shattering and watching him become activated was good and who could not mention that wonderful space battle man BSG is back!
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    seantuck

    [24]Apr 4, 2008
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    What an awesome episode! My heart is still beating out of my chest and it's already been an hour after the episode aired! I have a feeling thats the way its going to be like after each episode!

    Can't wait for next week!

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    123home123

    [26]Apr 4, 2008
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    A great start to the new (and final) season. The opening battle ranks up there with the best the show has ever done.

    For a few minutes, I thought the Baltar story was a little slow but then it picked up with two amazing scenes. First, the scene of him praying over the sick boy was very powerful emotionally, for the depth of feeling it revealed in Baltar. Underneath all of his arrogance, deceit and lying, he truly cared about that boy's health.

    Then the scene in the washroom provided some very tense moments, especially when Connor had his knife held against Baltar's throat. Again, he was willing to sacrifice his life. Perhaps part of his motivation was a weariness of the struggles he's been through, and maybe he just didn't care anymore whether he lived or died.

    I don't think the boy's recovery is supposed to show Baltar's healing powers. We were meant to focus on Number Six's presence in every scene where Baltar attended to the young boy. She is taking on the role of the evil or fallen angel again, like she did earlier in the series. Very interesting, and a bit different from where I thought the writers were going with this. I like the new direction for Baltar's story.

    The final scene with Kara was powerful as well. I didn't see that all-out attack coming. I wasn't expecting the closing scene either in Roslin's quarters.

    A supercharged way to start up the new season, to resolve last season's cliffhanger ending, and to set the show on two new paths. The stories of Baltar and Kara Thrace promise to hold loads of mystery, drama, action and intense action. Excellent episode!
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    oldsage

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    123home123 wrote:
    Then the scene in the washroom provided some very tense moments, especially when Connor had his knife held against Baltar's throat. Again, he was willing to sacrifice his life. Perhaps part of his motivation was a weariness of the struggles he's been through, and maybe he just didn't care anymore whether he lived or died. I don't think the boy's recovery is supposed to show Baltar's healing powers. We were meant to focus on Number Six's presence in every scene where Baltar attended to the young boy. She is taking on the role of the evil or fallen angel again, like she did earlier in the series. Very interesting, and a bit different from where I thought the writers were going with this. I like the new direction for Baltar's story.

    This comment really interests me. Does Baltar really have healing powers, or is it just appearing like he does? I compare the part of the episode with Baltar and the sick boy similar to the scene in 33 where the man who claimed to have evidence that Baltar was a traitor "coincidentally" gets killed when one of the colony ships gets left behind. At both times, the events revolve around Baltar's "faith" in the Cylon's one god.

    It is also very much linked to the burning question regarding the exact nature of Caprica Six's presence in Baltar's consciousness (and of course, Baltar's presence in her consciousness). I am really looking forward to this being answered in this, the final season.

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    oldsage

    [28]Apr 4, 2008
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    natemares wrote:
    The start was just great non stop and Anders beaming back to the raider was then the cylons just backed off I can't wait for the reast of the season and the final cylon and the final episode to finally reveal everything even though that might be next year great start to a great last season

    Up to this episode I was still holding out on the belief that the "four" really weren't Cylons, and were just being manipulated to believe that due to something that was done to them on New Caprica. However, considering what happened to Anders, it pretty much brought me completely over.

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    MajLorne

    [29]Apr 4, 2008
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    It's just great to see BSG on Fridays again the way it should be. And as many have already stated, the start of the show was totally awesome, shame 600 more people died when one of the ships was blown up.
    But well certainly the Kara-Laura scene at the end will easily hook me in for next week to see why Kara would go to such a measure.
    Also the Baltar segments in healing the boy and perhaps maybe he is a 'prophet' as the promos suggests and that this power of the one god might be very real.
    Nice way to start the season.
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    oldsage

    [30]Apr 4, 2008
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    Is it me or are most of Baltar's followers women? At first it seemed as though they were all women until finally a couple of men were seen in the background. Is this intentional? I have a few theories related to what they seem to be trying to with regard to the religious allusions, but I won't bore anyone with them, I'm just curious if people think it's significant or if I am just over-analyzing...

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    crito84

    [31]Apr 4, 2008
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    That was just amazing. I was so upset because I had to work tonight and I didn't get out until 11PM. Luckily they replay at midnight. That opening battle was awesome. Fighting going on with the fleet all around and then the whole thing with Anders. It seemed that, like someone else said, he sent a signal back to the Raider, but he probably couldn't control it. It should be interesting to see how that plays out with the others as well.

    Plus, I'm really interested in seeing where they take Starbucks storyline now. The majority of the ship distrusts her, and she can't get them to see thigns from her POV. The whole mystery surrounding her reappearance is just baffling. I can see why she would go to the Roslin, but the way she did it is just so crazy. Although, I doubt she will get to say much cause she left the door open and you just don't do that when you use a gun to get what you want.

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    123home123

    [32]Apr 4, 2008
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    No, I think most of the details of Baltar's following are intentional, including the largely female composition of the group. Is it meant to contrast with Jesus' early followers, who were primarily male? Or is it just part of the different gender roles seen on the series, in which women play equal part in the military ranks, where the best pilot is a woman (Kara) and the women can be as tough as the guys (Racetrack, Kat)?

    I don't know the answers but it's not an accidental detail. One can also view the scene of Baltar shaving as his official baptism. After all, the act involves water, a form of cleansing in that the "dirty" beard and whiskers are removed to reveal a smooth face, and the woman who helped him, sort of like John the Baptist. Of course, John the Baptist never wailed on two violent thugs with a metal pole like that woman did!

    Number Six is some sort of malevolent being. Remember that the "Head" Baltar that Caprica Six sees is also very manipulative and ruthless, much more so than the real Gaius Baltar. The "imaginary" figures have similar personalities, more similar to each other than to their respective real-life counterpart. Thus, Number Six is more like "imaginary" Baltar than she is like Caprica Six, who has shown herself to be very vulnerable throughout the series ("Downloaded," "Exodus, Part 2," and now "He That Believeth in Me").
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    crito84

    [33]Apr 4, 2008
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    oldsage wrote:

    Is it me or are most of Baltar's followers women? At first it seemed as though they were all women until finally a couple of men were seen in the background. Is this intentional? I have a few theories related to what they seem to be trying to with regard to the religious allusions, but I won't bore anyone with them, I'm just curious if people think it's significant or if I am just over-analyzing...

    I noticed that too, but not sure what it could mean. I kept thinking about why a lot of his followers are women, but not sure what the connection is. I do think it means something though.

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    penguinfish75

    [34]Apr 5, 2008
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    Great episode. My heart was pounding at the beginning, I really thought Adama was shot, I couldn't believe it! And the scene with Anders facing off with the raptor was my favorite. I just can't wait to see the first instance of one of these Four being revealed to the humans...how will it happen? I can't wait!
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    t3uv

    [35]Apr 5, 2008
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    penguinfish75 wrote:
    And the scene with Anders facing off with the raptor was my favorite.

    And the scene when Starbuck says to him "If I found out you were a Cylon, I would put a bullet between your eyes".

    I mean, I felt sorry for him: I think that when he said to Kara that she would still be her own self even if she was a Cylon, he was mostly talking about himself... And bam: a cold "If I knew, I'd kill you" from his wife.

    BTW, still about Sam, I think I heard during the battle scene that his callsign was "Longshot". Can anyone confirm?

    Edited on 04/05/2008 1:10am
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    kila177anja12o

    [36]Apr 5, 2008
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    so if the chief is a cylon and fathered a child, does that mean Athena's kid isn't so special?
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    123home123

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    t3uv wrote:
    BTW, still about Sam, I think I heard during the battle scene that his callsign was "Longshot". Can anyone confirm?

    I'll have to look into that. I recorded the episode on my DVR so I can check it out later on Saturday (afternoon).
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    ElmoKajaky

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    The child of two Cylons would still be anomalous because Cylons are basically all clones (from 12 stem cell lines?). A baby combining the genetics of two Cylons would be a new thing, at least...
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    Invader_of_53

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    I was initially lacklustered for this. Not that it was bad, but it didn't let as much punches fly as it did in the finale. But then again, that finale put so much up in the air, I can't imagine them letting it all fall in the premiere. I began to appreciate this episode after I let it sink in.

    However, I did love that battle. Seeing Adama get shot in the eye was shocking (I almost fell for it, but in addition to knowing they wouldn't off the Old Man so early, I mentally scanned for other scenes of him in teaser trailers), but the real shock was seeing that whole ship go up in a blaze like that. I take it as a sign that they really are taking off the gloves this season. Offing 600 people in your teaser is a good warning to the audience that this ride is going to be awfully bumpy. And I'm surprised no one else mentioned the redesign of the Raiders because they look... you know, redesigned.

    As I said, I initially felt the rest was fairly slow, but it does have that type of value that seeps in after awhile. Seeing Kara just go off and take aim at Roslin should make things interesting. By the way, anyone else think there's a connection, of any kind, between Starbuck's FTL-induced headaches and the one Roslin got when they Jumped into the nebula? I do. That's why I brought it up. I keep thinking that Lee was right and Kara is, in fact, there next sign, but then that whole "herald of the apocalypse" thing keeps coming up, so I'm not sure what's going on.

    So let's move on to my thoughts on the Gaius Baltar Superstar. I found the image the one follower find Baltar in during mid-Six especially evoked a flash of Christ. In fact, I swear it looks dead-on to an image I've seen, but I can't place it and I don't want to spend time searching for Jesus on Google when I could be using it to find pornography. I also found his willing to sacrifice himself moving. It even looked like Connor got a sense of something genuine in Baltar's plea before he got a sense of unconsciousness.

    It seems the Final 4/Five plotline is taking it slow, but I'm sure they can't keep it secret forever.

    Random observation: more Seelix goodness. I love the fact that she's grown her out longer.

    The next episode looks especially good. Even better, if I should have to wager on the value of my opinion.

    alllstarz wrote:

    Random speculation about this episode;

    If anders (as shown in the preview) does not get attack by the cylons raiders because as we find out in season 3 he is one of the final 5. Would that not prove that both StarBuck and Apollo cannot be cylon? and that sharon was only attacked because helo was in the raptor (pilot episode)



    Well, right now, it seems like you're looking to reach conclusions while the numbers are still being stamped out. We don't know what the Significant Seven are up to. And I seriously doubt in every fight they get in the Raiders stop to scan every Colonial pilot they engage in. I think the Cylons are starting to sniff out a plot.

    kila177anja12o wrote:
    so if the chief is a cylon and fathered a child, does that mean Athena's kid isn't so special?


    All of God's children are special. Seriously, I think we can infer something from the fact that the two hybrids are of different genders. I mean, how else could Hera "lead the next generation of God's children"?
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    rslade70

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    I am so happy Battlestar is back on. I really feel as though it is one of the best shows I have ever seen. I did feel as though it was pretty slow, but if I think about it, many things did happen. We saw Kara come back and learn what she knew to happen, we had a meeting with the 4/5 about how they feel. We realize that Anders was most likely the one to make the Cylons retreat, We saw Baltar in his new religious role and why he has to hide, finally, six speaking to the president and telling her that the final five are close.

    I must say, being religious myself, I don't usually like shows that may portray Jesus in a bad way. But I had to laugh when I saw six speaking to Baltar and holding his hands, then closing his eyes and the woman saying how beautiful he looked praying. I almost fell over, it was very funny. As for the healing, it really depends on how you look at it, Did Balter heal the boy, did God hear Baltars prayers and heal him. They were walking a fine line I felt with the comparison of him being Jesus (down to the robe and beard) but they walked that line fine in my opinion. Also having him shave in the end was a nice touch to kind of back down from that fine line, but still have it there.

    Next weeks episode previews seem more up my alley. I love to see the skin cylons speaking among each other and hearing their point of views on the war and what they should be doing. Just knowing that makes me want Friday to come faster.

    Kara stating that if Anders was a cylon, she would put a bullet between his eyes.....but then Lee saying that if his brother had come back and was a cylon, wouldn't he and his father still love him none the less....it made a interesting point of what is to perhaps to come with the cylons. Particularly since we have now trusted Boomer and we are aware of 4/5 of the final five knowing that Ty is one, a patriot. Makes you wonder where they fall on humanity (or what is the definition of humanity?)

    Great overall, just happy it is back.

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