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Discussion - "No Exit" (2/13/09) (spoilers)

How would you rate this episode?

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    hazelnut144

    [21]Feb 13, 2009
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    Sorry for double post, but I just got a brainwave...Daniel Greystone. He like INVENTED the cylons or something. The guy who is gonna be in "Caprica".... Anyone who had read Asimov getting a Daneel R. Olivaw jibe here randomly??
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    123home123

    [22]Feb 13, 2009
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    Interesting points, especially about Daniel Greystone and the new Caprica series. It makes sense.

    Cavil seems to be a Lucifer figure, the first "angel" and the fallen angel who is trying to get revenge against his creator. I'll have to sort through all this new information tomorrow.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [23]Feb 13, 2009
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    Again another great episode and so much got answered and so many more question were created. At first I thought I was going to hate Ellen... but you know what at the end of the episode I ended up liking her. Though I don't know how well she's going to react to finding out Tigh got Six pregnant and very possibly is in love with her. Speakin of that odd couple did anyone else find them cute in that scene where the baby was kicking? Little surprised that Lee and Rosilin got a whole one scene in this episode but it had to be done to fill in a lot stuff. I do like the idea that Gallactica is going to get some Cylon goo to make her better and maybe start looking differently.... though with only what 6-5 episodes left I don't think we will see that much of a change. Did anyone else notice how Anders started to talk like a Hybrid? He was seeing flashes of images and he was just spewing random words. Now as for Daniel... I'm going to make a guess and say that Daniel may be the first Hybrid from the movie Razor. Elllen said that his tanks were fried where he was being created... and the first Hybrid was the first creation to be created from the final five so it is possible. I keep remembering a quote from the hybrid about him being brought back in 'ways uncertain' I don't know maybe I just want to see that actor come back. Overall this is one of my top 10 fav episodes of BSG ever.
    Edited on 02/13/2009 9:03pm
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    danharr

    [24]Feb 13, 2009
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    Good episode and yes did we get some great answers. I really like how they took us back to just after New Caprica and the destruction of the resurrection hub. Loved how Cavel was preaching so hard his machine hardline but one should've expect no less from Dean Stockwell great performance. Nice having Boomer rescue Ellen so glad they didn't bring her back just for one episode.
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    hazelnut144

    [25]Feb 13, 2009
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    Lucifer analogy really seems very apt.

    Yeah I did notice Ander's hybrid speak. The word salad later on was a nice touch though. Bits of complete realism that make this show so amazing.

    As to the hybrid being Daniel, I don't really see it. In Razor, doesn't Athena say that the hybrids were another evolutionary path that didn't end up being followed or something? And since Daniel is number 7, you would think he was created after everyone but 8.
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    123home123

    [27]Feb 13, 2009
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    Another item to consider is the incestuous relationship between Ellen and Cavil on New Caprica. Cavil keeps referring to Ellen as the creator and something like a mother figure (although a mother he despises). And yet, one of the Cavils had a very intense sexual relationship with Ellen on New Caprica. In light of what we learned in this episode, that relationship now seems kind of stomach-churning.

    But maybe it's not so much a mother-son relationship as it is like the relationship between the old Greek gods and the "lesser" humans on Earth. Zeus had many affairs with humans, particularly Zeus. I don't think Hera (the Greek goddess) had any affairs with mortal men but I may be wrong about this.
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    lunachan01

    [28]Feb 13, 2009
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    What about Kara? After watching the episode I Think I heard Anders said that they make 8 models. So with the original five and the 8 created we have 13 models. I think Kara is the daniel model. Ellen said that Cavil aka John mess with the tank that contanied the Daniel model, maybe Cavil turned the model into the female model and we get Kara. Daniel was artist and Kara is one too (The Demitrius paintings she made) so that makes me think she is the Daniel model. Also I think the new Kara was made in Ellens lab that Cavil mentioned that still exist and was the place all the colonies models were made. We have not seen the Daniel model so maybe Kara is the Daniel model.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [29]Feb 13, 2009
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    I have a new theory I just re-watched a scene where Anders was telling everyone about how when they were making the eight copies that the reason why they did that was because the Centurians believed in a one true god and because of that ellen and the others thought that the cylons would be nicer... I remember what the First Cylon said part of his quote was 'My children think I am God.'

    I think the Cylon god is false, the centurians thought the first hybrid was god. That's just my thought.
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    dragon755

    [30]Feb 13, 2009
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    Firstly: LLLOOOVVVVEEEDDD IIIITTT!!!

    I find it funny that i just barely request an episode just like this before i watched it! So many answers and so many questions. fully Battlestar style, i am hanging on to the next so badly i think i might freeze myself.

    Daniel...i think he is almost def Kara. it fits so well, but in a kinda boring way i find, i had hoped for more from her.

    I take back ALL my previous statements about Ellen. i am sooo sorry Ellen i think you are the perfect person to act as the 5. Sorry it took me so long.

    We finally know why the final 5 are fundementally different to the original (or not so original) 7. They are the creators.

    We know there is a cylon homework (EDIT: homeworld, sorry bet u can figure what i was meant to be doing tonight) somewhere now, previously (for me anyway) this has been speculation.

    Cavil...or John as I think we'll call him now. John you lying lying fra*khe*d. I knew you knew more than you were explaining. You have lead both humans and cylons to this point with you destructive ways. ohh im looking for some justice myself.

    Galatica falling apart. Acting as a symbol of the fleet. falling apart but brought together by combining with the cylons.

    So 13 cylons, 5 original, 8 created, one boxed/corrupted. 13 planets. Earth. galatica failing. This final season is finishing far beyond my wildest dreams and expectations. Thanks forever to the wonderful writers.

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    24Titan

    [31]Feb 14, 2009
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    I felt like my brain was going to explode after watching this episode. There was a ridiculous amount of information to look at and process that it almost seemed like it was too much. But I will say that I thought this was definitely one of the most well-handled revelation type episodes I've seen. Daniel, Cylon resurrection, the birth of the eight models, Ellen knowing the truth! It was definitely awesome, though I'll have to watch it again to process all of the information.

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    gibbin1

    [32]Feb 14, 2009
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    lunachan01 wrote:
    What about Kara? After watching the episode I Think I heard Anders said that they make 8 models. So with the original five and the 8 created we have 13 models. I think Kara is the daniel model. Ellen said that Cavil aka John mess with the tank that contanied the Daniel model, maybe Cavil turned the model into the female model and we get Kara. Daniel was artist and Kara is one too (The Demitrius paintings she made) so that makes me think she is the Daniel model. Also I think the new Kara was made in Ellens lab that Cavil mentioned that still exist and was the place all the colonies models were made. We have not seen the Daniel model so maybe Kara is the Daniel model.

    BINGO!!! i so reckon that too. Thats why she painted the temple circle while on Caprica and all the paintings on the Demetrius, and why she acts more like a guy than a girl.

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    Eric10301

    [33]Feb 14, 2009
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    I think the Cylon god is false, the centurians thought the first hybrid was god. That's just my thought.

    The 12 colony centurians believed in a god before the hybrids were ever created. Ellen said the reason they created the 8 humanoid bodies and probably the hybrids too for them was because they believed in a one true God and thought they wouldnt repeat what their counter parts had done on Earth.

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    Eric10301

    [34]Feb 14, 2009
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    I'm also kind of weirded out thinking about Ellens relationship (sexual) with a body (Cavil) created in the image of her father
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    Morgalad13

    [35]Feb 14, 2009
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    I don't know about the rest of you, but I thought it was obvious that Daniel is Baltar. The moment Anders spoke about head-people I immediately concluded that Baltar has to be the seventh cylon. It really makes sense, because that way the 6 in Baltar's head and the 7 in Caprica's head are explained very easily.
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    123home123

    [36]Feb 14, 2009
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    I thought Cavil said the entire Number Seven line had been removed permanently.
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    MrBovineOrdure

    [37]Feb 14, 2009
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    BUURRRRPPPP!!!!! Ahhhhh that was a good meal!

    Lots of candidates for Daniel. I was thinking six's baby.

    More later I'm sure. Gonna re-watch this morning.

    Mr BO

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    Lokutes

    [38]Feb 14, 2009
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    There was no mention of the Daniel line being removed, Ellen said they were contaminated and Genetic Material was corrupted, so the number 7 could still be alive, I think either as Baltar or Kara (corrupted Genetic Material - sex change? ) I would say Kara as she was "glowing" just like the others through Sanders eyes
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    gooner_13

    [39]Feb 14, 2009
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    I'm not really sure how it is only Cavil that seems to know that the final 5 were the creators. If Cavil was jealous about the seven, then he knew the creators and then wouldn't 2-6 have known them as well. Maybe he erased that knowledge from their programming.

    I'm just relieved we are getting proper answers and they aren't glossing too much over

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    joltek

    [40]Feb 14, 2009
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    123home123 wrote:
    Another item to consider is the incestuous relationship between Ellen and Cavil on New Caprica. Cavil keeps referring to Ellen as the creator and something like a mother figure (although a mother he despises). And yet, one of the Cavils had a very intense sexual relationship with Ellen on New Caprica. In light of what we learned in this episode, that relationship now seems kind of stomach-churning. But maybe it's not so much a mother-son relationship as it is like the relationship between the old Greek gods and the "lesser" humans on Earth. Zeus had many affairs with humans, particularly Zeus. I don't think Hera (the Greek goddess) had any affairs with mortal men but I may be wrong about this.
    Oedipus complex? On a side note, When I saw the Brain Specialist guy, I keep looking out for Justin Long (The Apple Guy).
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