Syfy (ended 2010)
This was a good episode, but not a great one. They played the whole interrogation situation as I had hoped. The portrayal of phyche ops interrogation was as good as can be expected from a TV show, from sleep deprivation and the allusions to waterboarding, followed by the lifeline gambit. The writers managed to pull it off without dwelling on it too much and included the voice of reason, with Doc Cottle pulling the plug before everything got out of control, and President Roslin reflecting on her desire to inflict pain on Baltar. "Most men and all women are inexorably cruel when in comes to defending their own."
I'm beginning to see Baltar as a Saddam Hussein allegory. The long hair and gnarly beard look very similar to the pictures of Hussein after his capture and during the trial. Add to that his complicity in the murder and abuse of his "people" followed by the interrogation and impending trial, and you could make a case for the idea. I believe we will be seeing more along these lines in the future.
As far as the whole betrayal/forgiveness thing goes; I can see what the writers were trying to do with all of the cuts between the love quadrangle and Baltars interrogation but they just didn't carry it off all that well.
|An interesting episode, if not as good as "Rapture" or "Collaborators." I was surprised to see the resolution of the Lee-Kara flirtation. Maybe it's not completely resolved but I don't think Lee would leave Dee after his speech at the bar.|
Well, if Starbuck is leaving the show soon, they really needed to get that wrapped up, otherwise Lee would have just been left hanging.
|I agree that the whole Dee/Lee/Kara/Sam thing is getting old. It's well done but it's dragging on - this is not a soap. |
I though, as ever, James Callis was excellent. I also found Adama's assessment of Baltar to be accurate - sees himself as a victim, mored sinned against than sinning.
As for Gaeta - I have a soft spot for him, I don't know why. Someone else mentioned that he had had a deep admiration & respect for Baltar but that had been torn away. I think I agree with this, I think his disappointment in Baltar not doing more on New Caprica was partly behind his actions, as well as his own guilt at not believing he did enough himself.
Interesting to see what they do with Caprica 6.
|Interesting points but the level of betrayal is so much different between that of Lee/Kara and that of Baltar. Lee's betrayal of Dee results in just the emotional turmoil of one person whereas Baltar's betrayal led to the deaths of thousands of people. His carelessness before the initial Cylon attack contributed to the deaths of billions of people. |
Betrayal is rarely (if ever) honorable or desirable but I still don't think the two stories fit that well together. I'll think better of the Lee/Kara story if Lee truly has come to terms with his marriage. He's an officer and a leader. I think he needs to figure out what he truly wants and go with it. He's supposed to be decisive and responsible so he needs to pick Dee or Kara and be done with it. I think he realizes that he can't afford to let himself be such an emotional mess with the constant threat of annihilation at the hands of the Cylons.
I agree the levels of betrayal are totally different. One's societal and the other is personal. But the question is-- which hurts more? We can see that Dee is emotionally wrekced by Lee's betrayal, yet she takes him back. I wonder if it's a bit of foreshadowing-- despite all Baltar's done (even unintentionally, as he argues), is it possible for the fleet to forgive his betrayal? We have the trial coming up. I find it interesting in the "extra" footage that Caprica wants Roslyn to put Baltar on trial, perhaps for that very reason. And we see from the previews the warning from Zarek about putting Baltar on trial and how it will tear the fleet apart. Caprica may be sparing Baltar's life and at the same time be advancing the Cylon plan. Don't forget she was the one who sabotaged the defense systems on Caprica.
|I don't understand the Airwolf comment since I never watched that show, except for maybe one episode a long time ago. We don't pick the names for the levels.|
|Based on your comments, if the focus isn't on the Lee/Kara story, then BSG won't be a good show.|
|I still don't understand why Kara holds marriage in such high regard. It doesn't seem to fit with the rest of her personality and beliefs.|
|And she and Lee are sneaking around like they are in high school or in suburbia where they have to "keep up appearances." They are in the middle of a war and there doesn't seem to be a problem with officers marrying each other (Lee and Dee, and Athena and Helo, for example). Everyone knows about Lee and Kara's mutual attraction so I don't see the point in them hiding anything. |
Lee's indecisiveness also bothers me. His internal struggles between morality and the survival of humanity are interesting and have a better fit in the show. The "Dee or Kara" business, not so much.
Sure, all of this is part of life but not everything in life fits BSG or is necessarily interesting. Maybe this was moderately interesting for a while, but I think the storyline is starting to drag on a bit too long.
|There are many great characters in BSG. |
No need to waste time on the most predictable soap in history of tv.
Let Lee,Karen get together already so the story can move on.....
There where several great scenes in this episode, but the one that stuck with me the most was the one where rolsin and the marines where taking baltar down the halls full of photos whit roslin shouting at him and then him finding the photo of his former lab assistant and claiming that he would never him and all that and finally the four marines carrying him off. I would have to say it was one of the most powerfull scenes in the episode at least to me, and it kinda set the tone for things to come prehaps
also did anyone else pick up on the references to the CIA and LSD, in the whole conversation about interagtion methods that could be used on baltar and then the interogation itself.
I thought James Callis was fantastic! Totally over the top! How could he not yearn to be a Cylon to escape the hell of torture? And yet if he were a Cylon to awaken(over and over again) with the same torment of guilt and uncertainty?He is in his own personal hell right now, despised by both sides and looking for redemption.
Roslyn: Wow I actually went to do my homework, clean my room,take out the trash and wash behind my ears! You go Madam President!
O.K. So they've got a bar. That don't impress me much but it's a place to hang dog.
As for the soap opera. One should remember that half the population on this planet (if not more)are women.Why not reach out for a few more fans? It struck me as a moral predicament. Starbuck has always been portrayed as the hot blond passing by in a Corvette. To the uncommited and immature it was like,"Yeah, go for it!" Forget that she may be real and have a husband or issues."She wants me now and it could be fun.?" Everyone likes fun (Lee/Kara belong together) but what's down the road? Lee got a shot on Caprica and she let him crash and burn. Then she got into a Hummer with Anders. To the young. "An orgasm doesn't equal commitment."
As for Dee? The Dee haters had it right for all the wrong reasons. Yes, she knew what she was geting into. She took the risk. She not only saved Kara from the planet but she's trying to save Lee from himself. "Lucky?" Think about your mothers people. The good ones that took care of you when you were sick, listened to you whine and put up with all your crap. Now think about the people you know who had the Kara moms. The ones who weren't always around, didn't care about your problems, didn't care what you did so long as she was happy or at the least when it was too late. Now they could have had Dee bursting into tears, throwing things and storming out of the room but that would be out of character for her. You know there are a lot of people out there like her character. To the friendly outgoing types these people seem cold and guarded(very un-Cylon like) but if you took the patience to understand them, you'd see that wearing their emotions on the outside(Lee/Kara) is their frailty. They tend to solve problems with efficiency but when it comes to expressing emotions outright it takes a lot of dumping before they finally let what they feel out. Kudo's to Kandyse. Every line the writers throw at her(though few) she sends out of the park.I did not see her reaction as full out relief. It was more of a "Yeah, nice to see you grovel but you're on probation boy!" type gesture. Ya' know from Lee I almost thought I heard a "You complete me." With Kara it would have been "You compete with me.