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Discussion - "The Ties That Bind" (U.S. air date 4/18/08) (spoilers)

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    clos_vf

    [121]Apr 24, 2008
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    way great episode.... fianlly back on the net. I believe that Tori has a secret agenda with Gius remember when they had that romp? I couldnt believe she killed Callie she must know something about the final Cylon.
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    hazelnut144

    [122]Apr 25, 2008
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    123home123 wrote:
    And what about the prisoners on the "Guardian" Cylon base ship from "Razor"? Weren't the experiments continuing on that ship, or maybe I'm not remembering that scene correctly? Those are much more recent experiments.


    Oh yeah...right, we're all thinking about the experiments in the flashbacks, but there WAS still stuff going on in the season 2 timeline. So yeah, what are they working on still?? Interesting question.
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    emerdavid

    [123]Apr 26, 2008
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    oldsage wrote:

    Seeing Tory slap Cally across the air-lock made me think of the episode when Tyrol hit Cally with the wrench. If the Cylons have super-human strength, why didn't Tyrol take Cally's head off when he hit her?

    Probably because the same programming that makes a Cylon not know that they're a Cylon also damps down their natural strength to that of a human. Otherwise the Cylon detection test (remember season 1?) would have been really simple: "Here, bend this piece of steel, will you please?"
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    MichaudMR

    [124]Apr 26, 2008
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    I'm just not all that sure Tory used "super strength" when she hit Cally. Most people will tend to forcefully pull themselves back away from whatever hit them, particularly if they are surprised by the attack. Add that to Cally being off balance and it's very plausible for her to land where she did from Tory's shot. The camera angle of the attack in this weeks episode gave me a good second look at the exchange.

    The confrontation between Chief (now Specialist) Tyrol and Admiral Adama clearly demonstrates why there are rules of military decorum and conduct between the ranks. Any officer worth his brass knows better than to put himself in a position where one of the enlisted can publicly give him an earful like that. Adama's act of compassion has left Galactica without her deck chief, added to the damage of the man he was trying to help comfort, and eroded his command persona. This is why there is a ships Chaplain (or whatever they would call it in BSG).

    Part of the burden of command is the loneliness of never being "one of the guys" and letting any vulnerability show. A crew needs to look up to their commander and see the invincibility of their ship personified or they risk losing faith in themselves. A ship is much more than a heap of cleverly assembled bulkheads and decks, It is a symbiotic combination of the physical vessel and her crew working together with a singular purpose Her commander must remain somehow separate and above being just another crew-member in order to bring off that symbiosis.

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    123home123

    [125]Apr 26, 2008
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    Interestingly, Admiral Cain recognized this much better than Adama does. This is why she was so concerned about the operations on Galactica after she examined Adama's logs and the records on Galactica. Her mistake was the failure to remember that the military serves the people, not the other way around, but she knew that military discipline needed to be maintained in the fight against the Cylons.
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    krinks

    [126]Apr 27, 2008
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    123home123 wrote:
    Interestingly, Admiral Cain recognized this much better than Adama does. This is why she was so concerned about the operations on Galactica after she examined Adama's logs and the records on Galactica. Her mistake was the failure to remember that the military serves the people, not the other way around, but she knew that military discipline needed to be maintained in the fight against the Cylons.


    This is an interesting little irony isn't it? Adama saves the people at the cost of military discipline. Cain maintains discipline, but at the cost of the people. Imagine what they could've done if they'd been in agreement! We already saw them run a successful operation to destroy a resurrection ship. If they'd kept working together, they could've done much much more.
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    123home123

    [127]Apr 28, 2008
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    The podcasts for this episode and for "Six of One" are now available on the Sci Fi site. Click on the link to go directly to the podcast page.
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