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    oz_island

    [21]Dec 27, 2005
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    What I think is hilarious is that it's the use of the word that makes it a profanity and not really the word itself. Everytime the say frak, we all know what it means, and as many people have pointed out, this isn't exactly a kids show so anyone that knows the real word would know they are just cussing without cussing.
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    123home123

    [22]Dec 27, 2005
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    I think in this case, "frak" is used because it was used in the original series. If there hadn't been such a word in the original BSG, I don't think Moore and Eick would have created a "phony" expletive on their own. As you have pointed out, the idea of "phony" expletives is a little silly in general, but since it was done in the first series, why not have fun with it and bring it back?
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    mermayd

    [23]Dec 29, 2005
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    It is weird when you consider what was said in Sex and the City - or was the British version different than US. Rather liberal use of the C word in the version I saw. How did that slip past the censors.

    Or is this all post Wardrobe Malfunction-gate?
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    123home123

    [24]Dec 29, 2005
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    Sex and the City aired on HBO (Home Box Office), which is a subscription cable channel in the US. There are very few restrictions on what a subscription or pay cable channel can show. HBO shows can include every profanity that I can think of and they have very few, if any, restrictions on violence and sex, as long as it's not outright hardcore porn. Many HBO series have featured extensive nudity, sex and/or violence, such as Dream On, Sex and the City, The Sopranos, Rome, The Hitchhiker, Tales from the Crypt, and more.

    I noticed that US TV shows were suddenly allowed to use the word "bull____," even on regular broadcast shows. I was surprised the first time I heard it. One example was NYPD Blue, where I clearly heard Det. Clark utter the word during an ABC broadcast. I hear the word on other cable series, and I think I heard it once on Battlestar Galactica. I'm not criticizing the censor policy by the way (I don't want to start a flame war here and I do think there is a need for some guidelines), but I do find it odd and mildly amusing at times.
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    Knavehart

    [25]Dec 30, 2005
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    The use of profanity is very tricky, $#!t is the trickiest I have seen, It kind slips between what is consider an obsenity and a vulgarity. There was an episode of Star Trek the Next Gen, where Picard used MERDE which is just french for Sh--. And I believe there was an episode of Everwood where Delia (the little girl) utter Bullsh--
    as a way of getting attention

    then there was the South Park that used it 167 times
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    port5170

    [26]Dec 30, 2005
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    but the word that Frak is replacing isn't used on regular TV much..oh well who really gives a frak anyhow ,
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    Knavehart

    [27]Dec 31, 2005
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    well the word Frak replaces is an obscenity while $#it is a vulgarity,

    its very complicated
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    SweetPeaSurry

    [28]Jan 10, 2006
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    alicehere wrote:
    Sometimes frak is just frak!

    Geez, what the frak's the problem anyway?

    Even Commander Adama frakking says frak sometimes!

    He said it on the airwaves to President Roslin when he was stating how he didn't intend to abandon the search for one of his pilots.

    I betit gets into the dictionary circa 2010.

    Hey ... the word "Muggle" made it into the dictionary ... why not "Frak"?
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    bmwltd

    [29]Jan 11, 2006
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    Anyone noticed Frak is never used to replace the F-word in it's literall sense e.g. "Lee wants to 'frak' Starbuck" or "she was a great 'frak'" or "that guy deserved to die for trying to 'frak' Sharon/Boomer".

    I supposed this kind of talk would be out of place but would it be obscene if used in this context?
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    123home123

    [30]Jan 11, 2006
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    bmwltd wrote:
    Anyone noticed Frak is never used to replace the F-word in it's literall sense e.g. "Lee wants to 'frak' Starbuck" or "she was a great 'frak'" or "that guy deserved to die for trying to 'frak' Sharon/Boomer".

    I supposed this kind of talk would be out of place but would it be obscene if used in this context?

    It's possible. The current use of the word only encompasses insults, expletives and intensives. Using it to describe those physical acts would indeed be going one step further.

    This note comes from the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law (1996):

    NOTE: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that obscene applies to materials that appeal predominantly to a prurient interest in sexual conduct, depict or describe sexual conduct in a patently offensive way, and lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. Material or expression deemed obscene by the court is not protected by the free speech guarantee of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Note that "obscene" material lacks serious artistic value. I don't think anyone here would argue that BSG lacks serious artistic value. There is a different standard, however, for the FCC censorship rules. The original F-word is one of the forbidden words, so I'm not sure how they would rule on the other use of 'frak.' Another consideration is the time slot. Ten pm is considered to be outside of the usual hours when children are presumed to be watching.

    Sci Fi Channel probably threw this question before their legal department. The attorneys probably said that it would be a close call. I don't think it's worth the potential problems to use the word in that manner. It would distract from the real appeal of the show. Interesting to think about though.
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    Freeman79

    [31]Jan 15, 2006
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    Creap0 wrote:
    Is this an actual swear word (on earth!), or some kind of lame thing they use to replace the more commonly used f-word?


    No it's not...... not yet anyway. But, here is some info you all might not know, the word "Frak" comes from Sweden..... sort off. It is a Ikea product. A mirror to be specific. And that's the mirror that Commander, sorry mean Admiral Adama, has in his quarters. At least on s01. Don't know if he has a new one or not in Resurrection Ship Pt2.
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    tvguy8472

    [32]Jan 16, 2006
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    Actually, the word has been used in a sexual context. At least once in the most recent episode.

    Oh, and if the did use the "real" word, the show would a TVMA rating and they would almost undoubtly lose viewers.
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    pyrommiv

    [33]Apr 28, 2008
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    Starbuck did say to Apollo " you're not still Frakking Dualla" in one episode, I think near the end of season two. Which should count as a literal use, am i think there were some other uses aswell

    I often used to use say "frell" from farscape, but since watching BSG have shifted to saying "Frak", occasionally mixed-up words like Freck and Frall...

    I was also surprised to here Frak on a recent episode of scrubs, but it has been around a while i guess

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    galactica-gal17

    [34]Apr 28, 2008
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    I have started to mutter it occasionally, much to my husbands dismay. yesterday he said with genuine feeling please dont use that word in public!
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    adiav

    [35]Apr 28, 2008
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    "Frak" is a real-life Earth word. Or at least, it is now.

    (I, too, use it all the time. More with non-BSG friends than with BSG friends, because they'll definitely look at me like I'm a big old dork.)

    As for why it's "frak" instead of "frack" (the original spelling), I remember reading somewhere (sorry, can't recall where, might've been the Battlestar Wiki actually) that the cast and crew of BSG felt that "frak" should be a four letter word, hence the dropping of that "c".

    And yeah, as has been stated, it has been used in a literal sense. Starbuck asks Apollo "You're not still frakking Dualla, are you?" and has also said to Anders (recently, 4x03?) that she wants to "frak like the world is ending" (that last one is possibly a paraphrase but she definitely used "frak" in that context and I'm meant to be writing a paper instead of discussing "frak" as a literal term so I'm not going to watch it again right now just to be sure ).

    Now, excuse me, I need to write this frakking paper.

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    hazelnut144

    [36]Apr 28, 2008
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    Yeah, in Ties that Bind Starbuck says "I don't wanna fight Sam. I wanna frak. You don't get it do you? I'm not the same girl you married. All I want to do right now is frak. Really frak like its the end of the world and nothing else matters." I think that counts as a literal use of the word. And as other people mentioned, the "You're not still frakking Dualla" line. They also use it in other ways that the f word is used...motherfrakker and stuff like that. And I actually like it. I mean if you think about it, them speaking English makes sense to a certain extent since they apparently came from the same origin as those on Earth, but it makes sense also that some aspects of their civilization would have changed. Some people already mentioned the use of "wireless" instead of "radio", and the cut off corners, "DRADIS" instead of "RADAR", little things like that. In the older series it was just a bit too much, but BSG does it pretty well and I would prefer that they can swear in some way, than if they were just all amazingly polite people who never swore. One of the huge things about BSG is that the characters seem real. And I'm sorry, but never hearing anyone swear would irritate me a bit.
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    MrBovineOrdure

    [37]Apr 29, 2008
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    One more reason for the BSG folks to find earth in it's present day;

    They arrive, they talk to a New Yorker or anyone else prone to cussing who starts hurreling the word F*CK several times to the bewildered looks of the crew until one of them finally get's it and says; "Oh, you mean Frak!"

    Sci-fi can get away with it! After all South Park used the "S" word 168 times in that one episode. Even had a counter on the bottom!

    (yes, I know it'd be lame in execution, but still an amusing thought)

    Mr BO

    Edited on 04/29/2008 11:33am
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    SpectralSpiral

    [38]Nov 28, 2009
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    I've been doing a video project with BSG dialog using scripts as a guide. I think SciFi actually muted out the word Frak a few times an episode (not as much as they left it in). Censoring a fictitious word!?
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    ArlovskiFTW

    [39]Dec 1, 2009
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    Frak gets nearly 1% of google hits as the real f word. That may seem small but that is a significantly large number considering what 99% of the internet is comprised of.
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    my1sunshine

    [40]Dec 1, 2009
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    Can you believe it's actually being considered for inclusion in Webster's? Gotta love the power of good fan fiction!!
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