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How many classes of battlestars where there? (Spoilers)

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    wedgeantilles54

    [21]Nov 25, 2006
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    True but we have not seen anyother millitary vessels or warships, which if you take the article at Battlestar wiki and the interviews in combination it suggests that battlestars operated as part of something simular to a carrier battlegroup which would include other types of warships, where are those types of ships is what i was trying to ask or dose the colonial fleet consist intirely of battlestars which is what we have seen points to, but we have not seen what the fleet really looked like before the war or any of the battles against the cylons durring the intial attack.

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    wedgeantilles54

    [22]Jan 29, 2008
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    I'm birng this old thread back because after rewatching razor recently i noticed that shots showing the cylon attack on the shipyard there where several battlestars present at least one of them appeared to a mecury class battlestar, but one of the others looked more like the galactica, also there where some other ships present that looked like they where fleet vessels but not as big as the battlestars, this might be evidence of the ships that are escorts or support ships for the battlestars, it might also have some indications into how many types of battlestar there where as well.
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    Mangalore

    [23]Feb 5, 2008
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    Given that in the Valkyrie episode the stealth ship was marked as a "stealth star" it seems to me that the term "star" implies any ship with certain properties like size/tonnage. Based on this one could assume a "battlestar" is a synonym for a ship of the line, thus any ship capable to stand in pitched battle. Compared to present day it would in my view indicate any ship from carriers to frigates while support ships would be combat ships smaller than that or supply ships.

    Then the size of 120 battlestars would then be kind of similar to how large today's larger water navies are.

    A too large fleet would make a total surprise attack as ocurred unlikely because then even with a large faction of ships lost in the initial attack there should be still enough muscle mass to keep fighting another few months even if the big ships are gone (given how they use nukes from fighter ships to great effect it seems obvious that a battlestar killer doesn't need to be big).
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    wedgeantilles54

    [24]Feb 5, 2008
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    You bring up a good point, which goes to the question what about other types of combat vessels besides fighters might have existed in the colonial fleet, and are the other ships at the ship yard in razor warships of some sort, or just frieghters

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    Jeric-Ho

    [25]Feb 6, 2008
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    From what i can tell, it just seems like the Battlestars go by age and then klass (won't let me write klass with a c, stupid forbidden html! grrr!!) by Mercury, being the newest and best i assume, as Pegasus is the newest and its a Murcury, the only difference i have noticed from Galactica to a Murcury are more engines, and more added stuff like automatic doors e.t.c.

    With Galactica being the oldest out of all of them, then Valkyrie, and then the newsest that we have seen Pegasus (This is going by the Battlestars we have seen during the re-imaged of BSG).

    At the beginning of the war there were 12 Battlestars, 1 representing each of the 12 Colonies, then during the Cylon war there were 120 Battlestars (So divided by the 12 colonies, thats 12 Battlestars per Colony). The confirmed Battlestar names so far are:

    * Galactica
    * Atlantia
    * Rycon
    * Pacifica
    * Cerberus
    * Solaria
    * Pegasus
    * Triton
    * Columbia
    * Belleraphon
    * Argo
    * Poseidon
    * Promotheus
    * Acropolis
    * Olympia
    * Serina
    * Valiant

    But i was wondering aswell..Are Vipers the only fighter jets that the whole fleet has? as Pegasus was a newer Battlestar and they also used the same model Vipers, i thought they would have used newer model fighters also! well also the Raptors which are mainly used for recon, so i understand them eing the same model, but the Vipers i am suprised by!, i know they have improved by Marks, when they got upgraded to Mark VII, but this was mainly software, and not the actual model!
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    Sektos

    [26]Feb 6, 2008
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    Jeric-Ho wrote:
    From what i can tell, it just seems like the Battlestars go by age and then klass (won't let me write klass with a c, stupid forbidden html! grrr!!) by Mercury, being the newest and best i assume, as Pegasus is the newest and its a Murcury, the only difference i have noticed from Galactica to a Murcury are more engines, and more added stuff like automatic doors e.t.c.

    With Galactica being the oldest out of all of them, then Valkyrie, and then the newsest that we have seen Pegasus (This is going by the Battlestars we have seen during the re-imaged of BSG).

    At the beginning of the war there were 12 Battlestars, 1 representing each of the 12 Colonies, then during the Cylon war there were 120 Battlestars (So divided by the 12 colonies, thats 12 Battlestars per Colony). The confirmed Battlestar names so far are:

    * Galactica
    * Atlantia
    * Rycon
    * Pacifica
    * Cerberus
    * Solaria
    * Pegasus
    * Triton
    * Columbia
    * Belleraphon
    * Argo
    * Poseidon
    * Promotheus
    * Acropolis
    * Olympia
    * Serina
    * Valiant

    But i was wondering aswell..Are Vipers the only fighter jets that the whole fleet has? as Pegasus was a newer Battlestar and they also used the same model Vipers, i thought they would have used newer model fighters also! well also the Raptors which are mainly used for recon, so i understand them eing the same model, but the Vipers i am suprised by!, i know they have improved by Marks, when they got upgraded to Mark VII, but this was mainly software, and not the actual model!


    there could be a big difference between Mrk II and VII, i remember Lee saying they're trickier to fly and not as fast in miniseries (though not in those words)
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    wedgeantilles54

    [27]Feb 7, 2008
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    All this comes back to the question of how many actual classes of battle stars where there?, we know there where at least 3 but if you look at some of the shots from both razor and the mini-series (particualry those that show the wreked battlestars in the mini series) there are some that look different from the three known classes and prehaps indicate that there where more classes. Also the big question is are battlestars the only type of warships in the colonial fleet or where there other types more analogus to what guided missles friagtes and destroyers.

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    Idbeolderifiwas

    [28]Feb 23, 2008
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    I'm sure Battlestars weren't the only type of ship they had. It would make sense to have smaller more maneuverable ships to fight along side the Battlestars, but they probably didn't accompany the Battlestars unless they knew they would be needed, and in the case of the Cylon attack they were caught off guard. We know from Razor and the miniseries why Pegasus and Galactica would not have been accompanied by these ships, because Pegasus was being repaired and Galactica was being decommissioned, therefore no accompaniment was necessary.
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    MichaudMR

    [29]Feb 24, 2008
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    idbeolderifiwas, Your line of logic alludes to the fate of the U.S. Pacific fleet during the aftermath of Pearl Harbor in '41. The U.S. carriers and a few other ships were not at Pearl during the attack and thus spared, giving the U.S. Navy a shot at survival during those dark days at the beginning of the war.

    Of course the analogy falls apart when we consider the scope of the situation portrayed in BSG verses what actually happened in WWII. The Cylons effectively wiped out the Colonial civilization along with its ability to produce the materials needed to provide for any kind of defence or retaliation, where as all the Japanese did was to "awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" (Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto). The U.S. economy and infrastructure was never in jeopardy.

    This comparison brings up a couple of good lessons to be learned about the nature of human conflict. You can not defeat your enemies by beating them militarily. You must defeat them by killing their resolve and crippling their economic means to produce what it takes to keep fighting.

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    Mangalore

    [30]Feb 24, 2008
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    MichaudMR wrote:
    ... You must defeat them by killing their resolve and crippling their economic means to produce what it takes to keep fighting.


    Since the 20th century and the end of "conventional" conflict one can summarize that a conflict can only be ended by ending the resolve of one's opponent. The brewing conflicts in Israel, one the Balkans and elsewhere are/were between people without any means to produce actual military type weapons but with the resolve to fight back no matter how and usually people with tons of weapons. In this brave new world the people with tons of weapons don't always win even though they manage to kill many more of the opposing side.
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    wedgeantilles54

    [31]Nov 7, 2009
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    Watching the plan it looks like there may have been another class besides the three idnetified so far,
    this is based on the shots they show of the fleet getting scaned and then wrecked by the cylons.

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