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| hbktimf24 wrote: |
| Dont get it. I thought she was going to end up killing them all. |
"Kara Thrace you are the harbinger of death... You will lead humanity to its end"
Break it up into two sentences and both statements ultimately prove to be true.
She acted as the harbinger of death, but for the Cylons, not the Humans.
and
She lead humanity to it's end, by putting in the correct coordinates for Earth thus ending their journey.
If you separate the two statements, and remove the connotation from the first when looking at the second, both statements are true and the prophecy was fulfilled on both fronts. At least that's the way I choose to look at it. Initially I assumed that the first and second statemets were linked as well. But now, having all the information, I have come to interpret it differently as described above.
Hope that makes some sense.
| Doom442 wrote: |
| Because she was able to bring Human and Cylon together (The Raider in season 1. The Heavy Raider, Anders and Cavil in season 2. The Baseship and rebel cylons in Season 4), she brought about the death of both humans and cylons, but the birth of a new race of them merged together (like Hera) "Not an end, but a begining" |
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting you correctly, but assuming I am, I agree with you. Death could be interpreted as being the Cylons. The Cylons, who were responsible for wiping out most of humanity was death. Kara, who brought the rebel cylons into the fleet is the harbinger.
According to Dictionary.com...
har⋅bin⋅ger /ˈh¨»rbɪndʒər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahr-bin-jer] Show IPA ¨Cnoun 1. a person who goes ahead and makes known the approach of another; herald. 2. anything that foreshadows a future event; omen; sign: Frost is a harbinger of winter. 3. a person sent in advance of troops, a royal train, etc., to provide or secure lodgings and other accommodations.
And she did bring two fleets to their end as has been already pointed out. Her jump coordinates lead them directly to a habitable planet they dub, Earth.
| ugzravage wrote: |
Hope that makes some sense. |
Nice job of doing the writers job, you guys.
Writers: "Lets make a shonky ending and let the fans make up their own idea about it!"
Producer: "Sure, we've made our money, they can finish it how they like in their own minds. Make it as weak an ending as you can. Deal."
pfft. I for one do not welcome this ending and will not submit myself to making up how it works based on conjecture. It is as it is. Weak.
frak them, gods damnit.
| poggie wrote: |
Nice job of doing the writers job, you guys. Writers: "Lets make a shonky ending and let the fans make up their own idea about it!" Producer: "Sure, we've made our money, they can finish it how they like in their own minds. Make it as weak an ending as you can. Deal."
pfft. I for one do not welcome this ending and will not submit myself to making up how it works based on conjecture. It is as it is. Weak. frak them, gods damnit.
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| wingsabre wrote: |
| Unlike others, most fans are given the respect to figure it out themselves. We don't need to be spoon fed the information. It doesn't have to be that transparent. Remember this is a televised medium, looking at the different artistic takes one can figure things out. We don't need the actors to stand there and state the obvious to us. It's quite cheap to state the obvious, we don't need that to waste our time. Cheap series like Star Trek Enterprise explained everything out, and treated fans like they're idiots. As time progressed, and after you've watched the series numerous times, you will be able to see that the ending was fitting. It made sense with what was done in the past, and was true to the characters. BSG was never a shoot them first, ask questions later series. It wasn't Star Wars, episode one, but instead a character driven series, and this ending fitted it. |
Lol, you're letting the writers play you like a cheap trick. It isn't good, or creative, or "in line with the series" to leave a plot end loose/poorly explained and then let ovely attached fans who will do anything to keep the show in a positive light in their eyes make up their own weak justifications for the ending. It's poor writing, and that's all it was. Nothing fit in the finale. The writers of this show could do an amazing job of juggling all these plots but the sad fact is, like most shows on television, there was no ending ever planned from the beginning - they backed themselves into a corner and had to make something up as they went along.
| wingsabre wrote: | ||
Unlike others, most fans are given the respect to figure it out themselves. We don't need to be spoon fed the information. It doesn't have to be that transparent. Remember this is a televised medium, looking at the different artistic takes one can figure things out. We don't need the actors to stand there and state the obvious to us. It's quite cheap to state the obvious, we don't need that to waste our time. Cheap series like Star Trek Enterprise explained everything out, and treated fans like they're idiots. As time progressed, and after you've watched the series numerous times, you will be able to see that the ending was fitting. It made sense with what was done in the past, and was true to the characters. BSG was never a shoot them first, ask questions later series. It wasn't Star Wars, episode one, but instead a character driven series, and this ending fitted it. |
| wingsabre wrote: |
| ShotgunBlade, this is a television series, not a book. We don't need long soliloquies from Kara explaining her existence to Lee or whatnot. Her destiny was complete, so she was taken back by God. That's as clear cut as possible. |
Yeah, inserting "you were sent by God and now God is taking you back" is a weak plot device. Know what a deus ex machinae is? Because what you just described is a literal one.
| wingsabre wrote: |
| We've had hints of a God all throughout the series, and it wasn't heavy handed. Just because you didn't like that explanation doesn't mean it's not valid. How else could you explain that she was resurrected, with a completely new viper? The series in itself has never prided in going into techno babble, I don't see them doing so again. What, she entered some wormhole that made a copy of her and sent her through a time warp? If they had done that, it would have been a cop out. Now at least, we see that the visions, and Kara have some connection. |
Of course it is a "valid" explanation, it is impossible for a "LOL GOD DID IT" explanation to ever be invalid if that's what the writers choose. That doesn't make it a GOOD ending, though, and in this case it was a terrible one. I think you need to familiarize yourself with the characteristics of bad plot writing before you praise a finale like this, because it was full of weak holes. I also find it ironic you say the words "it would have been a cop out" in essentially the same post where you say "lol God did it!"
Again, it was ALL last minute. The character being around for several episodes does not qualify as build up, because there was no build up regarding the EXPLANATION of any of it. In the last episode it was just "poof, they're angels". The fact that there were "God/s" themes prior in the series is not a build up nor an excuse for the terrible explanations in the finale - the "God/s" stuff from previous seasons was mainly mythology that they never attempted to use as a sole explanation for what occured, only to enrich the history, hence why its past use was acceptable. But as a finale explanation? No, poor writing.
You can call all the other possible explanations for what Kara ultimately was ridiculous or cheap all you want, but there is none as ridiculous as the simple "it was 'God'" explanation that the show decided to use. It is the absolute most ridiculous, poorly thought out explanation one could use, bar none, in any work of entertainment.
