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    PowerBen5000

    [1]Mar 11, 2006
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    Hmm, well did anyone else notice that the colonials on new Caprica only had tents and a few spacecraft as shelter? I don't recall seeing any permanent structures, aside from some aluminum poles with colonial logos.

    This strikes me as a bit weird. A technologically advanced civilization like the colonials should have found a way to construct housing out of better materials - wood, stone, mud, brick...something. I mean, they've supposedly been there a year, I would have expected that they may use tents and the spacecraft for a while then begin building something with better protection from the elements.

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    DocMartigan

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    PowerBen5000 wrote:
    Hmm, well did anyone else notice that the colonials on new Caprica only had tents and a few spacecraft as shelter? I don't recall seeing any permanent structures, aside from some aluminum poles with colonial logos.

    This strikes me as a bit weird. A technologically advanced civilization like the colonials should have found a way to construct housing out of better materials - wood, stone, mud, brick...something. I mean, they've supposedly been there a year, I would have expected that they may use tents and the spacecraft for a while then begin building something with better protection from the elements.



    Goes to show you how well the civilization is doing under Baltar's rule.

    That's what I took away from it.

    They probably could have built shelters, and even tried producing medicine themselves, but I'm sure Baltar's only concern is his "pills" and his women.

    Which brings up another point (off topic)... I know Gaeta admired him because of his past achievements, but he seems to be one of the people with the highest moral standards on the show. Why would he have stuck by Baltar's side for a year after seeing how totally selfish he is? Granted he didn't look very happy... but he was still there.
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    alcalde

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    Gaeta is Battlestar Galactica's Colin Powell. A loyal servant to the end, no matter how he's treated, and even if his commander betrays his own values/ethics.

    On another point regarding how the season ended the way it all began... aren't there lines from the humans' scripture to the effect of "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again"?
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    FrakkingFrakker

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    It may just be my imagination...but they did mention previously low vegetation...and I didn't see any trees from which to build things.

    I agree that it's definitely a sign of Baltar's rule...but I think it's also cause it was a crappy planet that barely fit their needs...
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    sven-jolly

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    alcalde wrote:
    On another point regarding how the season ended the way it all began... aren't there lines from the humans' scripture to the effect of "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again"?


    Those lines have been stated, but I think they reference something of an entire cycle of life (like over 1000s of years), and not talking of similar events in the short term, a few months later.


    FrakkingFrakker wrote:
    It may just be my imagination...but they did mention previously low vegetation...and I didn't see any trees from which to build things.

    I agree that it's definitely a sign of Baltar's rule...but I think it's also cause it was a crappy planet that barely fit their needs...


    Ya, they mentioned how it wasn't ideal. Maybe they can cultivate it, we'll see I guess.
    Edited on 03/12/2006 12:31pm
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    sven-jolly

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    PowerBen5000 wrote:
    Hmm, well did anyone else notice that the colonials on new Caprica only had tents and a few spacecraft as shelter? I don't recall seeing any permanent structures, aside from some aluminum poles with colonial logos.

    This strikes me as a bit weird. A technologically advanced civilization like the colonials should have found a way to construct housing out of better materials - wood, stone, mud, brick...something. I mean, they've supposedly been there a year, I would have expected that they may use tents and the spacecraft for a while then begin building something with better protection from the elements.


    Well, for starters, I think things there look pretty grim, and they are strugling to just get by on a daily basis, nevermind worrying about building better structures. Who knows what allocations Baltar is allowing or disallowing. Would be interesting to know what kind of work the union does (specific, general).

    I think it might also be interesting to point out that there doesn't appear to be a variety of professions established, so that rules out a capitalistic society. It appears (based on my limited viewing of it) to be stradling a monarhy and socialism. Prior to the new invasion, I think they were headed towards revolt and the establishment of communism. Now that the cylons are occupying again, I look forward to seeing what happens.
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    Pedroff

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    Look who's president, nuff said.
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    nerdfootball

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    alcalde wrote:
    Gaeta is Battlestar Galactica's Colin Powell. A loyal servant to the end, no matter how he's treated, and even if his commander betrays his own values/ethics.

    On another point regarding how the season ended the way it all began... aren't there lines from the humans' scripture to the effect of "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again"?


    Sort of a moronic statement considering it was Gaeta who allowed Balta to be elected. Why didn't he follow Sigh to the end?
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    minimax34

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    is not easy to make house for what 49,000 people, you need resources and exploitation facilities

    and for the sentence : it happen and happen again etc.. it reefer to the cycle of life.. i think
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    Pedroff

    [10]Mar 13, 2006
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    Baltar is your ultimate capitalist, only cares about himself rather than the people.
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    sven-jolly

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    Pedroff wrote:
    Baltar is your ultimate capitalist, only cares about himself rather than the people.

    Just to clear you up, capitalism is an economic system.
    Greed and selfishness are seperate, personal traits, and can be infused into any number of economic systems (including your more liberal European countries). You've been watching too much MTV, and are simply misinformed. Bono and all of your other celebrity humanitarians are capitalists as much as your evil Bush is. Back to fiction, Baltar is greedy and power hungry, but he really isn't much of a capitalist (anymore).

    Read some simple definitions of these major economic systems, familiarize yourself, and impress your friends:
    Capitalism
    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-01,GGLG:en&q=define%3A+capitalism

    Dictatorship
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+dictatorship

    Monarchy
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+monarchy

    Communism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+communism

    Socialism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+socialism
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    tvguy8472

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    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Baltar is your ultimate capitalist, only cares about himself rather than the people.

    Just to clear you up, capitalism is an economic system.
    Greed and selfishness are seperate, personal traits, and can be infused into any number of economic systems (including your more liberal European countries). You've been watching too much MTV, and are simply misinformed. Bono and all of your other celebrity humanitarians are capitalists as much as your evil Bush is. Back to fiction, Baltar is greedy and power hungry, but he really isn't much of a capitalist (anymore).

    Read some simple definitions of these major economic systems, familiarize yourself, and impress your friends:
    Capitalism
    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-01,GGLG:en&q=define%3A+capitalism

    Dictatorship
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+dictatorship

    Monarchy
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+monarchy

    Communism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+communism

    Socialism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+socialism


    Well, as fun as politics is to discuss ... I will avoid it (for now).

    As far as BSG goes, we really don't know what type of economic system has developed on New Caprica. All we do know is that unionized labor was needed. This could very well be capitalism (and likely is), but we do not know that.
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    Pedroff

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    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Baltar is your ultimate capitalist, only cares about himself rather than the people.

    Just to clear you up, capitalism is an economic system.
    Greed and selfishness are seperate, personal traits, and can be infused into any number of economic systems (including your more liberal European countries). You've been watching too much MTV, and are simply misinformed. Bono and all of your other celebrity humanitarians are capitalists as much as your evil Bush is. Back to fiction, Baltar is greedy and power hungry, but he really isn't much of a capitalist (anymore).

    Read some simple definitions of these major economic systems, familiarize yourself, and impress your friends:
    Capitalism
    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-01,GGLG:en&q=define%3A+capitalism

    Dictatorship
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+dictatorship

    Monarchy
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+monarchy

    Communism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+communism

    Socialism
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-01%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=define%3A+socialism


    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.
    Edited on 03/14/2006 10:41am
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    sven-jolly

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    Pedroff wrote:
    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.

    Sorry. It didn't seem like you knew what capitalism meant (still doesn't really), so I posted links for you to look up definitions and understand how capitalism and other economic systems fit. Take away from it what you're able to I guess. My final word (hopefully), the black market was capitalism, New Caprica with Baltar controlling resources and means of production (what limited it is), is NOT capitalism.
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    JamesYucca

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    OK, lets get back to the point:
    minimax34 wrote:
    is not easy to make house for what 49,000 people, you need resources and exploitation facilities


    To make bricks you need mud and heat, and I saw plenty of mud on that planet. Heat wouldn't be hard either, remember the fleet was able to set up entire mining operations at times and fabricate new vipers. I don't think a couple kilns would be too much of a problem.
    Most of it could probable be blamed on the administration, but I'd be willing to bet that people got lazy. For the first couple days or so they were celebrating the end of their running (and mourning the death of the people on the Cloud Nine and others), but after that they just decided to slack off. The only person in a real position to make them work was Baltar, but he obviously didn't care.
    This is just my conjecture based on my (somewhat pessimistic) view of human nature, I'm sure we will see the real reasons next season.

    And RE: capitalism
    Sven is right. Capitalism requires private property, and not a whole lot else. Not greed, not democracy, not even evil robots. To say Baltar is the ultimate capitalist because he was able to corrupt the system is a very unusual statement indeed.
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    Pedroff

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    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.

    Sorry. It didn't seem like you knew what capitalism meant (still doesn't really), so I posted links for you to look up definitions and understand how capitalism and other economic systems fit. Take away from it what you're able to I guess. My final word (hopefully), the black market was capitalism, New Caprica with Baltar controlling resources and means of production (what limited it is), is NOT capitalism.


    What you need to understand that their is good and bad in everything, you can use a gun for good or bad same goes for capitalism and almost everything in life, you can use it for bad or good.
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    Dubius_Status

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    This is a starfaring society, forced to go back to stone-age basics, with no industrial support and manufacturing capabilities to speak of. No wonder they have trouble adjusting.

    Think about it. Bronze age tribes would be doing better, on average, since they are used to roughing it. They would adjust well to a harsh environment because they are used to getting by with the barest necessities (and working with basic tools/material, as opposed to advanced tech, which breaks down and requires maintenance).

    Baltar has little to do with the current situation. If Roslyn had been in charge, they wouldn't have landed on New Caprica. If they had, they wouldn't be doing much better.

    An enormous infrastructure is needed to support an advanced civilization. You need people who know how to make lightbulbs. Who can find/mine metal. Who can run foundries. All those skills require great expertise (and we'r eonly talking about lightbulbs here). The Twelve colonies have much more advanced tech, requiring even greater knowledge and science skills. And yet they are down to a few thousand souls. Not that many science experts per capita, let me tell you.

    Honestly, I'm surprised they are doing this well.
    Edited on 03/14/2006 8:56pm
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    DocMartigan

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    Pedroff wrote:
    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.

    Sorry. It didn't seem like you knew what capitalism meant (still doesn't really), so I posted links for you to look up definitions and understand how capitalism and other economic systems fit. Take away from it what you're able to I guess. My final word (hopefully), the black market was capitalism, New Caprica with Baltar controlling resources and means of production (what limited it is), is NOT capitalism.


    What you need to understand that their is good and bad in everything, you can use a gun for good or bad same goes for capitalism and almost everything in life, you can use it for bad or good.


    What does that have to do with what he is saying?

    You don't understand what capitalism is... be it good or bad
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    Pedroff

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    DocMartigan wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.

    Sorry. It didn't seem like you knew what capitalism meant (still doesn't really), so I posted links for you to look up definitions and understand how capitalism and other economic systems fit. Take away from it what you're able to I guess. My final word (hopefully), the black market was capitalism, New Caprica with Baltar controlling resources and means of production (what limited it is), is NOT capitalism.


    What you need to understand that their is good and bad in everything, you can use a gun for good or bad same goes for capitalism and almost everything in life, you can use it for bad or good.


    What does that have to do with what he is saying?

    You don't understand what capitalism is... be it good or bad


    Of course I understand but you don't understand that it could be used for good or bad just like anything in this world.
    Edited on 03/15/2006 2:41pm
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    DocMartigan

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    Pedroff wrote:
    DocMartigan wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    sven-jolly wrote:
    Pedroff wrote:
    Relax, I didn't say he was your regular capitalist, I said that he's your ultimate capitalist in that he's using capitalism in the worst and most corrupted way possible.

    Sorry. It didn't seem like you knew what capitalism meant (still doesn't really), so I posted links for you to look up definitions and understand how capitalism and other economic systems fit. Take away from it what you're able to I guess. My final word (hopefully), the black market was capitalism, New Caprica with Baltar controlling resources and means of production (what limited it is), is NOT capitalism.


    What you need to understand that their is good and bad in everything, you can use a gun for good or bad same goes for capitalism and almost everything in life, you can use it for bad or good.


    What does that have to do with what he is saying?

    You don't understand what capitalism is... be it good or bad


    Ofcoarse I understand but you don't understand that it could be used for good or bad just like anything in this world.


    NO YOU DONT. I don't care about your stupid "good or bad" thing... it's got nothing to do with the discussion. You said Baltar was a capitalist. HE ISN'T. Therefore you have no idea what capitalism is. Good Lord. And it's not "coarse" it's "course."
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