Charmcaster and Darkstar team up to destroy Ben, Gwen and Kevin.
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Charmcaster and Darkstar team up to destroy Ben, Gwen and Kevin.
Considering how brokenpoor Charmcaster was at the end of last episode, it'd be all too easy for Darkstar to seduce her and draw her into his plan, and he probably plans to turn on her once she's served his purpose. Hopefully, Charmcaster will have a turnaround before it's too late.
This defentely sounds like a fan driving episode. This is one of the most reguested ships, so they are finally doing it. I just hope an episode finally ends on a possitive for Charmcaster. The only episode ever to end on a good note for her was "Don't Drink The Water".
Maybe we will find out Darkstar backstory and more about his parents. In a way I think he and Charmcaster are opposites. I always thought Darkstar was rebelling against his parents and hates his dad.
Anyone think Julie is going to appear in this episode? I think she might in a b plot, in which Ben has to devide between helping Gwen and Kevin against their enemies, and spenting time with Julie. This comes back to my Chi Chi comparisson, let's see if Julie acts selfishly and thinks her problems compare to Gwen and Kevin fighting for their lives.
Ben's ego will be tested, one thing fighting one villain that main focus is one of his sidekicks, but two. He is going to an afterthought to our villains. It will be funny if he is jealous of Kevin and Gwen in how Darkstar and Charmcaster main source of hatred is towards them, and he is just an after thought. He is used to be the center of attention of the enemies, and center of attention in general.
What are the odds of Darkstar and Charmcaster still be together at the end of this episode? I say 10%, too bad I think they could be our generations Destro / Barraness. If they do stay together, I think they could return as allies in the series finale. Darkstar does it all the time, being an allie in the big finale. That is kind of this thing.
What do these writers have against Charmcaster, the last two episodes has just been emotional torture. Granted sacrificing 600,000 souls is not going to give you good karma (though I put just much blame on Diagon for that), but still I don't know.
They are not writing Charmcaster as a villain or an allie, something in between. I rather they treat her as a full villain, at least there ending typically are "curse you, I will be back and get my revenege", it is better than this psychological trama we had the last two episodes.
This better be a set up for Charmcaster to comeback in the finale, get some redemption, and more importantly finally get a happy ending, something possitive for once.
That being said, it was a good episode. Darkstar with all those H starting names was hillarous. I think I am starting to figure out Darkstar, the reason he targets women, it is simple it is because he has mommy issues. His mother either didn't spent enough time with him, didn't breast feed him as a baby, and he is going to take it out on every women he can find. He wants to take over the universe and stuff it in mommy's face.
A much, much, MUCH better episode than the last one, with Charmcaster actually being the neutral (not good, not evil) character she should have been after "Where the Magic Happens". And in the end, she's the one who saves the day by kicking Darkstar to the curb, meaning he loses his powers.
But I agree with nyfan, Charm needs closure, preferably a happy one. Derrick Wyatt has confirmed that Charmcaster is not in any of the initially produced episodes for "Omniverse", so if she doesn't get her closure in the "Ultimate Alien" finale, it'll be something I'll forever hold against the late Dwayne McDuffie.
| nyfan wrote: |
| What do these writers have against Charmcaster, the last two episodes has just been emotional torture. |
I have no idea what's with the writer from the previous episode, but the writer for this one said he loved Charmcaster, and I think it shows. Sure, she was heartbroken, but she also was allowed to give Mike his comeuppance for using her like that. I wish it'd ended on a better note for her too, but the episode's writer says he personally believes Charmcaster is going to redeem herself and live the life her father wanted of her.
| TimeHeroLink wrote: |
A much, much, MUCH better episode than the last one, with Charmcaster actually being the neutral (not good, not evil) character she should have been after "Where the Magic Happens". And in the end, she's the one who saves the day by kicking Darkstar to the curb, meaning he loses his powers. But I agree with nyfan, Charm needs closure, preferably a happy one. Derrick Wyatt has confirmed that Charmcaster is not in any of the initially produced episodes for "Omniverse", so if she doesn't get her closure in the "Ultimate Alien" finale, it'll be something I'll forever hold against the late Dwayne McDuffie. I have no idea what's with the writer from the previous episode, but the writer for this one said he loved Charmcaster, and I think it shows. Sure, she was heartbroken, but she also was allowed to give Mike his comeuppance for using her like that. I wish it'd ended on a better note for her too, but the episode's writer says he personally believes Charmcaster is going to redeem herself and live the life her father wanted of her. |
Well just because she is not in the initial produced episodes of Omniverse doesn't mean she won't be in it, remember she didn't appear in Alien Force till season 3.
Well since she is the ruler to Ledgerdormain, I think the plot does force her to be involved in the conclusion of the series as Diagon wants to rule many worlds, I am sure Ledgerodrmain will be no exception of his target.
Speaking of which, I think she did better than I thought she would after last week's episodes, at the beginning it seems she has come to some what some peace, her and our heros came to an unspoken non aggression pact, which means "Don't mess with me, I won't mess with you" type of deal, they didn't try to take her to the Null Void, I am sure if the plumbers knew what happened last week, they would want to put her in the Null Void. Our heros well Gwen more specifcly felt putting her in the Null Void is just going to make her more crazy.
Chramcaster and Gwen's relationship is really complicated right now, Charm sees Gwen as her nemesis notice the last two episodes she hasn't been obcessed with destroying Gwen like she used to, while Gwen tries to sympitise with her and maybe try to get her to comeover to the light. And the irony of irony, Gwen is the cloest thing Hope has to a friend. Ben not too sympathic, and Kevin of all people makes light of her mental state, which I think is like a recovering alcholic making fun of an alcholic, and Kevin was much more psychotic than Charmcaster ever was.
Anyway Charmcaster could return in the finale, either as an allie and / or a victom of Diagon and turned to zombie Diagon minion. I think a little bit of both.The episode before the finale "The Beginning Of The End" that is probably about the eve of Digaon about to destory the world, I think if our heros spirits are so down they have a feeling of inediable that the world will end, that they want to right a few wrongs, pay some old debts, etc., and one of them might be Gwen just want to wipe the slate clean with Charmcaster and just make peace with her once and for all.
It is possible Gwen and Charmcaster settle things for good in "The Beginning Of The End", than the next episode Charmcaster is an enemy again though against her will but still an enemy our heros have to fight.
I feel the Darkstar/Charmcaster thing would have worked a little better if it lasted one or two episodes, but the end result was still impressive. Charmcaster has been getting a lot of depth lately.
| nyfan wrote: |
| Chramcaster and Gwen's relationship is really complicated right now, Charm sees Gwen as her nemesis notice the last two episodes she hasn't been obcessed with destroying Gwen like she used to, while Gwen tries to sympitise with her and maybe try to get her to comeover to the light. And the irony of irony, Gwen is the cloest thing Hope has to a friend. Ben not too sympathic, and Kevin of all people makes light of her mental state, which I think is like a recovering alcholic making fun of an alcholic, and Kevin was much more psychotic than Charmcaster ever was. |
Yeah, I know. I mean, she and Gwen fight here for a while, with Charm getting really mad when Gwen comments that she went out with Mike. Then, Charm drops the attack, her golems just stand in the background, and she allows Gwen to stand next to her and have a reasonable talk. THEN Charm gets mad when Mike refers to Gwen as "lovely", blaming her for it and throwing her out the window. But THEN when Mike tells Charm to join him and rule both worlds, she glances to Gwen with a concerned look, with Gwen clearly silently telling her not to do it, since Mike is full of crap. Lastly, they have a dramatic look of understanding as Charm tosses Mike to Gwen, Kevin, and Ben's mercy, then leaves back through the door.
Not to mention, all through this episode, Gwen was very clearly emotionally invested in helping Charmcaster and breaking Mike's hold over her. It's truly no longer the enemy relationship they used to have; and it's much better than it was written last episode (where Charm just betrayed and killed Gwen without a second thought).
I really want to see it get closure in the finale.
I'm starting to wish Kevin had died in "Absolute Power", because he's become more and more annoying throughout this season. Hypocritically calling Charmcaster a "nutcase" here (and whining about Gwen blaming stuff on him) was just the latest of offenses. Makes me glad "Ominverse" is phasing him out in importance.
If Charmcaster is going to take part in the final battle, there will be some guys there, some elgiable bachlors. So you think anyone can feel that void that Darkstar created. I think she would want someone with no connetion to Gwen. That would eliminate Cooper and Sir Ian. If saving the world is not enough incentive to take part in the battle, there will be some guys there. LOL
When I saw this episode and I saw the part where Charmcaster was talking to Michael on the bed and she healed him, I did not think of them as a couple before. But now that I have seen this episode, they make A GREAT COUPLE!!!!!!!!! Too bad, Michael was an idiot. They could have been the rulers of Ledgedomain. When I saw both of them on the bed kissing, I was thinking they are perfect for each other, but I had a feeling something would break them up. I really wish that did not happen. It looked like TRUE LOVE!!!!!!!!! Especially when they kissed and Michael turned gold and they combined their powers. I kind of feel sorry for Hope, nothing good happens to her. Charmcaster, after all, was lonely. She needed company and maybe she and Michael could have had children (not too soon). Well Michael is not an alien, more like an energy vampire, so I wonder if his mother or father is from a race of energy vampires. Michael and Hope could have connected. Maybe they had similar backgrounds. I REALLY HOPE that they get back together. They are the BEST EVIL COUPLE. Well, Charmcaster is consider neutral but yeah. I hope everything works out and she finds true love (preferably Darkstar, cough, cough).
Also, why is Darkstar looking ugly again? I could have sworn at the end of Absolute Power Part 2, Michael was turned back to normal. Maybe the spell that Gwen casted on him, when he was acting like a homeless man stealing food, only was temporary. Maybe, it had something to do with his personality since Gwen said that he may be beautiful on the outside but deep down he's ugly. This episode kind of reminds me of Beauty and the Beast somehow.
Did anyone find Fasttrack's voice weird? What I mean is that it seems that all the aliens sound alike. I noticed that he kind of looks like Wolverine and its been confirmed that hes stronger than XLR8, so I figured he sound gruffer.
Kevin is getting on my nerves too. I should have expected as much. Before in AF before the writers had Kevin's back story written they just ignored his villain past and downplayed how horrible he was. UA when they retconned Kevin being insane because Osmossians become insane when the absorb energy to excuse Kevin from his villainous past, so despite being one of the worse villains in the original since he didn't know any better he can past judgement on others and say villains never change. That is really annoying because it is a cop out. Kevin didn't earn redemption instead his past crimes are overlooked because he wasn't in his right mind. Let's forget the fact he sold weapons to planet destroying alien races for five years before he met up with Ben again in AF.
On Charmcaster/Darkstar romance/partnership it would have been expanded on in more episodes. Darkstar using Charmcaster and trying to steal her power was predictable, but Charmcaster actually giving him her power was unexpected. I wished the writers had explored how that affected Morningstar. Charmcaster gave him all the power he wanted, no strings attached and was willing to do anything for him. Naturally he would take advantage of her. I thought he would lust after her for power and beauty though.I never expectedhim to care about her, but I imagined he would confuse physical attraction or lust with love. HaveKevin and Darkstar debate what love is by having them talk about their relationships with Gwen and Charmcaster and having Charmcaster seethat he didn't lover her, but what she could do for him. I am not sure how manypeople have seen the 1994 Spider-Man series, but they did a similar thing with the Hobgoblin's attraction to Felica Hardywas because of her beauty and wealth, but not understanding the concept of loveitself. Even though he was a power hungry low lifemuch like Morningstar he thought he loved her to show he wasn't trying to pull another scheme.
A little off topic, but I always thought that any next generation Ben 10 stories, that after Ben's (I would assume Julie but who knows) kid, Kevin and Gwen's kid,that Charmcaster kid would be the third member of the team to follow the old formula. If like a lot fan fics use it is Ken and Delvin as the next generation characters, Charmcaster kid would be a girl to balence things out, and if Delvin inherited his dads powers than we need a magic user to the team.What do you guys think? I know it has been done before probably, but I think it is an awesome idea. Who knows we might some episodes that takes place in the future in the next series since it does jump back and forward between time periods, but that is another story.
After seeing this episode, I immedately eleminated Darkstar as a possible father. But than again, maybe in a moment of weakness against her better judgement Charmcaster had a one night fling with Darkstar and that produced a daughter. Which leads to one episode plot idea I thought of, as you would thinkCharmcaster's kid knows little about her father, Charmcaster naturally doesn't want her to know what an a-hole her dad really is. But being a rebellious child she does whatever it takes to find out, putting clues together something she has done for years, and finally finds Darkstar. The episode plot is Darkstar sinking even lower than he has ever had in my opinion and that is saying something, minipulates her and tries to suck out his own daughters powers. One thing to do that to girls you are not related to, but your own daughter.Naturally Ken and Delvin does save her. It is a dark episode or chapter that has her realising that her dad would such a thing and in tears and having to be consolt by her friends at the end.
