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No, Rachel winning last season was the biggest tragedy. Ian's actually the best winner since...well, Dan won Season 10, which is kind of sad really, but true.
I had a bit of trouble rooting for Ian because he got a little big for his britches. He started getting really cocky about halfway through - when he stood up to Frank (and lost that argument). He claimed ownership of the Quack Pack, which he obviously did not create, his ending speech was *not* good no matter what people say, and while he was somewhat clutch in challenges he was still pretty lucky too. I mean Part 3 of the final HOH is always a crapshoot, as proven by Jordan winning it in BB11.
That said I don't think a bitter jury was a big deal. Since Jenn and Britney, two of Dan's biggest vocal supporters in the jury house, also voted for Ian, my theory is it comes down to the fact that Dan has won before. Really, really hard to vote for that obviously no matter what kind of game you play, and apparently Ian is easy to get behind (I didn't, but a lot of people did).
Anyway, looks like Frank won America's Choice, probably because Alison Grodner's vote counts for a million.
|Tragedy? Oh please Marco |
Dan was so pathetic this season, I haven't watched BB10 yet, but Dan's hype as far as this season goes is undeserved.
Ian wanted a 5 person alliance from the start to jump in to, the Quack Pack is mostly his creation, even if not, he's the one who reformed it and made sure by winning competitions that 4 of the final 4 were QP members, no matter what Dan's wishes were, Ian was making his own moves and evicted two of Dan's ideal final 2's (Jenn and Danielle) All Dan needed was to pull a few comp wins out, even only on the level of Danielle and he could of had this, but he just didn't deliver and Ian trampled him. One lucky duck or not, Ian is easily the greatest winner of all BB time in my opinion.
|I haven't watched BB10 yet...Ian is easily the greatest winner of all BB time in my opinion.|
The greatest win of all time was Dr. Will in BB2. Second greatest was Dan in BB10. Dan's the only two-time finalist, only guy with a perfect jury vote to his name, and you can't really argue with those kinds of results. I think he surpassed Dr. Will this season mainly because I feel while Dr. Will still has the most raw talent of any player to play the game, he doesn't have the passion for it and really just cares more about screwing with people than winning the game, whereas Dan is in love with this game. I'd rank Ian around fifth or sixth, because he actually is a decent player who won putting him ahead of about half the other winners, but does he rank among the greats? No.
I don't put a lot of stock into challenges anyway because the challenges in this show are so ridiculously stupid that they aren't really measuring any kind of talent level. So you can drain liquid off of a spongy nacho chip suit and guess phrases from a drawing on an iPad app, congratulations.
And I still don't get how Ian's the founder of the Quack Pack. Sure he wanted a five-person alliance, but stumbling upon one at the convenience of four people already aligned who are looking for a fifth vote and an alternative to Frank and Boogie is not founding it, and he was the only one who seemed all that set on keeping the whole thing together. Dan and Britney were the co-founders of that alliance but they were maneuvering against each other the whole time anyway. The kid got cocky big time, really took away from his likability for me.
|Right, yes, Dan was never cocky. When it comes down to it, it's not worth debating Marco, Ian beat Dan. it was Dan's job to win over jury and he didn't accomplish that. The only person he managed to play like a puppet was Danielle, and hell, even I could of done that.|
|Ian won, Ian deserved it. He's nothing like Adam, he had a strategy and he freaking utillized it, the coaches twist made Ian have to work twice as hard and he still defeated all of them, with it only being his first freaking time in the game. Dan came into the game after several weeks of safety and a psychopath of an ally he was basically handed. Ian was playing for the Quack Pack, not Dan, I'm sorry your too closed minded to see this Marco. You aren't Dan and Taylor isn't Ian in this situation.|
Perhaps you missed the part when I said Ian played a good game, however, Dan deserved to win. I'll reiterate, Ian is not nearly as spectacular as you're making him seem.
I also like the fact that you brought up the Big Brother 3 situation. I don't know what you were aiming for, but I assure you it went right over my head.
|Boy toy, eh? It's only serious because Dan somehow not winning is the biggest tragedy in the history of time and space according to you. I just feel your acting completely condescending with comments like us watching separate seasons. If I'm hyping Ian up then your doing so with Danny boy tenfold. Wasn't aiming for anything, it just seems that was what you were relating it to, yourself, because you have no reason otherwise to feel so strongly about it.|
Perhaps you're a little too young to understand the concept of having an opinion. Someone should surely get around to teaching it to you.
I don't know how you could have taken anything I said in this forum as reflection of Dan's game play with mine, or vice-versa. That was so far out of left field that I'm puzzled by it.