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    honey47

    [1]Sep 15, 2006
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    Polygamy or not all questions about the LDS church are welcome here. Mormons live a very different lifestyle than the rest of the world and so like anything different things get mixed up and miscommunicated and often things are wrong and utterly confusing. So if you have any questions on the mormons I am here to answer any. I am mormon, yes thats right. And i don't mind people disagreeing with the LDS religion i just don't like when people don't know the truth and base their opinions on that. So here i am, open to any questions ya'll might have, just for clarification sakes.
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    MalBourne

    [2]Jun 13, 2007
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    I saw an episode of South Park describing how Joseph Smith came to start his own religion. If there is any accuracy in that story, I'd have to say that Mormons has too many "m"s in it.
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    theprincess181

    [3]Jun 13, 2007
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    Are you allowed to watch this show? I heard that the church tried to stop it. Are you even allowed to watch television?

    Do you wear special underwear? Do you have to do 2 years of misionary work?

    Why does the church believe so strongly in reseaching genealogy? Can anyone access that information?

    Thanks!

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    borisbalinkoff

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    theprincess181 wrote:


    Are you allowed to watch this show? I heard that the church tried to stop it. Are you even allowed to watch television?


    Thanks!


    Well, I didn't initiate this topic and I don't watch this show, but I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well, so I thought I would answer these questions.


    We are allowed to watch TV. We are admonished, not to attend, view, or participate in vulgar, immoral, or pornographic entertainment. This, of course, is relatively vague, so what one Mormon says is acceptable will probably not match what another says. Personally, I have extremely high standards for TV watching, but I try not to be self-righteous about it, and I don't judge others' decisions of TV watching.


    As for Big Love, viewing it would be a personal decision. It would be up to the individual person to decide if it fit the standards of the Church or not.


    I am certain some members of the Church would have tried to stop the show, but I am unaware of the Church itself doing so, and I find it doubtful they would. It's important to remember that the actions or comments of some members of the Church are not necessarily the viewpoint of the whole. For example, in writing this, I am not speaking on behalf of the Church, but rather speaking on an individual level. I'm sure some members of the Church--some informed, some not--would have tried to put a stop to it. I'm not sure if the portrayal of Mormons on this show is accurate or not. However, there is a colossal amount of false information out there about us, and concerned members would have feared a greater perpetuation of the stereotypes, so they would try to stop it.


    theprincess181 wrote:
    Do you wear special underwear?


    Yes, for those active members of the Church who have received certain temple ordinances. But do I ask you about your underwear?


    theprincess181 wrote:
    Do you have to do 2 years of misionary work?


    We don't have to, but it is strongly encouraged for young men to serve for two years, and, on a lesser level, women to do so for eighteen months. I just returned from my two-year mission. I am glad it is encouraged as much as it is. I was terrified to go on a mission, and had I not been so strongly encouraged, I doubt I would have gone. But I learned and grew so much--spiritually, physically, socially, mentally, and just generally--that I would not have been able to do any other way.


    theprincess181 wrote:
    Why does the church believe so strongly in reseaching genealogy? Can anyone access that information?


    We believe in vicarious ordinances which must be done by the proper authority for those who have passed on. "Vicarious" means that we can do them for another person. The Atonement of Jesus Christ was a vicarious act because He suffered for our sins. An ordinance is a sacred rite by which we show our covenants, or promises, to God. Ordinances must be done by one who has the proper authority given to him by God, not by someone who just feels like it. In the New Testament, Paul talked of people who were baptized for the dead, as supporting evidence of his claim for bodily resurrection (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). Baptisms for the dead are one of the vicarious ordinances we perform. Someone is baptized for a person, and the deceased, in the Spirit World, chooses whether or not to accept it. We seek out our ancestors to do these ordinances.


    You can access information by going to familysearch.org, where you can also locate a local family history center in a nearby church building. It is free and you do not need to be a member of the Church.


    Rewritten 12/11/09

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    theprincess181

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    borisbalinkoff wrote:
    theprincess181 wrote:

    Are you allowed to watch this show? I heard that the church tried to stop it. Are you even allowed to watch television?

    Do you wear special underwear? Do you have to do 2 years of misionary work?

    Why does the church believe so strongly in reseaching genealogy? Can anyone access that information?

    Thanks!

    Well, I didn't initiate this topic and I don't watch this show, but I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well, so I thought I would answer these questions. We are pretty much allowed to watch anything. Our guidelines are that we should avoid bad things. I personally have very high standards for TV and movie watching but most people do not. There should be no reason why a member could not watch this show unless it has a lot of bad stuff (I don't watch it so I don't know its contents). Many people in the church think we are forbidden to watch R-rated movies. This is not quite true but generally R-rated movies do not have good content. So, yeah, we can watch television all we want. The head leaders of the church I doubt would have tried to stop the show but some members probably did, and you can't blame them. We haven't practiced polygamy since the 1800s, yet in 2007, that's what a lot of people associate with us. Members would object to this show I suppose because it prevents us from shaking us of the polygamy image. It's like thinking of the South and thinking of slavery--hasn't been practiced for a long time and there is so much more to focus on.

    There are special undergarments one wears after being endowed in the temple. This, however, is not a topic for great discussion.

    Young men are expected to serve a two-year mission, usually at nineteen, but it's not like a "have to" type thing; you won't get kicked out if you don't or anything. It's just expected. Young women can serve as well for eighteen months starting at twenty-one, but they aren't as obligated. Senior couples can also serve if they desire.

    Our main reason for researching genealogy is so that we can see the records of what has been done for ancestors. We believe that we can do baptisms and other ordinances for the dead in the temple. Genealogy allows us to find people and do the ordinances if necessary. There is a genealogy library in Salt Lake City that is open to everybody.

    I can answer other questions if they are respectful. I don't expect you to believe or even agree with our beliefs but just be respectful and I will be happy to answer questions. Keep in mind that I don't watch this show so I might forget to check back and I don't really know what this show depicts us as. Please also note that some of the responses I give are more of my opinion and not official church stances.


    Thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
    I believe in 'live and let live' and respect other people's beliefs even though I don't believe in the same doctrines.
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    SplishySplash

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    MalBourne wrote:
    I saw an episode of South Park describing how Joseph Smith came to start his own religion. If there is any accuracy in that story, I'd have to say that Mormons has too many "m"s in it.


    It is pretty close. Trey Parker is LDS so he knows how it went.
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    jajimenez5

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    SplishySplash wrote:
    MalBourne wrote:
    I saw an episode of South Park describing how Joseph Smith came to start his own religion. If there is any accuracy in that story, I'd have to say that Mormons has too many "m"s in it.


    It is pretty close. Trey Parker is LDS so he knows how it went.


    wait Parker IS a LDS or WAS a LDS cause it seems like in that episode he really didn't believe in the Mormon Doctrine.
    Side note: that episode was really funny!
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    Aloris

    [8]Jun 29, 2007
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    I was just wondering... Are you saying that there are no polygamists at allin USA?

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    borisbalinkoff

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    Aloris wrote:

    I was just wondering... Are you saying that there are no polygamists at allin USA?



    I'm not sure to whom this was directed, but I'll answer. Of course there are polygamists in the U.S. There are some who practice it on their own. There are also those who are part of religions (most specifically The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or FLDS). A lot of people associate polygamy with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but they haven't practiced it for more than 100 years. People who currently practice polygamy are not in good standing with the LDS church.
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    indiana317

    [10]Jul 2, 2007
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    If you are really interested, there is a book called , "Under the Kingdom Of Heaven". It will explain the differences between regular Mormons and the cults. It is an interesting history of the Mormons. Like all religions,they have there good moments and thier bad.
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    SmallOC

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    I have a question for you - If you don't watch the show here is the background

    Margene is the third wife and she made friens with her LDS neighbor who thought Margie was a widow with 2 kids- after realizing their friendship put her family at risk she quit talking to her. Margene then found out that she was pregnant again. The neighbor then found out that she was pregnant again and heard that the reaspn Margie wouln't talk to her anymore was because she was a single pregnant mom an she thought the neighbor would judge her.

    Well in this last epi, the neighbot reached out to Margie and told her she wouldn't judge her and shewould be there forher and help her through her mistakes. Later, Magie went to the neighbors and said she was being a surrigate mother and the neighbor said, "you mean you are carrying a strangers baby?" and seemed more upset.

    So I was wondering why it was better that she was pregnantan single than if she was a surrigate? Thanks for you help.

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    borisbalinkoff

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    SmallOC wrote:
    So I was wondering why it was better that she was pregnantan single than if she was a surrigate? Thanks for you help.
    Um...I have no idea. Must just be that particular character, because I think it would be better to be a surrogate.
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    SmallOC

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    thats what I thought too - Thanks
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    Sagemusic

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    It is sort of a sad thing that "Under the Banner" has become the text book on Mormon Polygamy. While much of the book was researched well, parts of it were not and are just downright inaccurate or untrue.

    The FLDS is a church. It is not a cult unless all organized churches are cults. The places in Mexico that are mentioned in Big Love, Chihuahua Mexico for one, were started by the LDS church, not a cult. Plural marriages went on sanctioned by the LDS church for many years in Mexico. Also the FLDS church is but one organization of people living plural marriage, many are independent families associated with no group, and therefore, would not seem to be a cult.

    From a paper by D. Micheal Quinn -similar to what was "LDS Church Authority and New Plural Marriages" when it appeared (Dialogue, Spring 1985)

    "All First Presidency members either allowed or authorized new plural marriages from 1890 to 1904, and a few as late as 1906 and 1907. One Church President married a plural wife, and three Counselors in the First Presidency performed marriages for men who had living wives already. A Presidency's secretary proposed polygamous marriage in 1903, and another Presidency's secretary performed a polygamous marriage in 1907. Of the sixteen men who served only as Apostles in other words, their service did not extend into the First Presidency, but they served only as Apostles from 1890 until April 1904, eight of these sixteen men married post-Manifesto plural wives. Three of them who did not do so, performed plural marriages. Two of them who did not do either of the above, arranged for plural marriages. Only three of the men who served only as Apostles from 1890 to 1904 did not participate at all in encouraging, promoting or entering into new plural marriage.

    President Woodruff himself married a new Plural Wife in 1897, Lydia Mountford, who was a Jew, born in Palestine and had lectured widely throughout the United States on Palestine. He married her in September of 1897 on a steamship on the Pacific Ocean, between San Francisco and Portland; and he arranged for an Apostle to perform plural marriages on steamships a month later, and also four months later."
    The paper is available around on the net - but there is a link here
    http://www.4thefamily.us/files/active/0/PLURAL%20MARRIAGES%20AFTER%20THE%201890%20MANIFEST O.htm

    To really dig into it, the testimony at the Reed Smoot hearings before Congress for three years 1904-1907 makes it clear the manifesto was not the end of "official' plural marriages.

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    gilmorecrazyluv

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    SmallOC wrote:

    I have a question for you - If you don't watch the show here is the background

    Margene is the third wife and she made friends with her LDS neighbor who thought Margie was a widow with 2 kids- after realizing their friendship put her family at risk she quit talking to her. Margene then found out that she was pregnant again. The neighbor then found out that she was pregnant again and heard that the reaspn Margie wouln't talk to her anymore was because she was a single pregnant mom an she thought the neighbor would judge her.

    Well in this last epi, the neighbot reached out to Margie and told her she wouldn't judge her and shewould be there forher and help her through her mistakes. Later, Magie went to the neighbors and said she was being a surrigate mother and the neighbor said, "you mean you are carrying a strangers baby?" and seemed more upset.

    So I was wondering why it was better that she was pregnantan single than if she was a surrigate? Thanks for you help.

    I don't know about anyone else but in my personal opinion I feel that Pam was not upset because anything to do with the LDS as faith. I mean, I don't know many LDS people to say for sure. I think the reason she was upset was because she probably felt like 'hey, i can't conceive, why didn't you offer this to me?' I don't know for sure but that is what I thought. Being a surrogate is the only reason, I would think, conceiving without being married would be ok to someone in the LDS faith, though, like I said I don't know many. I do have a couple of questions, though.

    #1. On a different post in this forum (the one about there not being Hispanics or African-Americans in the show) someone stated that LDS used to, or still do believe (I'm not sure on which) that people of color have the mark of Caine. On the 5th episode Rhonda (the girl taken in from the compound) saw a poster of Jimi Hendrix and said he had the mark of Caine. Now, I don't know if this is the belief system now, but I guess that's what I'm trying to ask. Does anyone know if this is true? The whole "Mark of Caine" or (from another post "mark of evil" -- thing. #2 Why don't LDS believe in polygamy anymore? I just don't understand why the church would steer away from something they practiced for 50 years. I'm not saying they are wrong to do it. I just wonder how it came to be? Was a religious decision, a state decision, a consensus or what?

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    borisbalinkoff

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    gilmorecrazyluv wrote:
    I do have a couple of questions, though.


    #1. On a different post in this forum (the one about there not being Hispanics or African-Americans in the show) someone stated that LDS used to, or still do believe (I'm not sure on which) that people of color have the mark of Caine. On the 5th episode Rhonda (the girl taken in from the compound) saw a poster of Jimi Hendrix and said he had the mark of Caine. Now, I don't know if this is the belief system now, but I guess that's what I'm trying to ask. Does anyone know if this is true? The whole "Mark of Caine" or (from another post "mark of evil" -- thing. #2 Why don't LDS believe in polygamy anymore? I just don't understand why the church would steer away from something they practiced for 50 years. I'm not saying they are wrong to do it. I just wonder how it came to be? Was a religious decision, a state decision, a consensus or what?



    #1. Honestly, the response you get about the mark of Cain probably depends on whom you ask. Some claim that it is what is taught regularly in the Church, but I haven't heard anything authoritative, so that claim is false. I do not know what the official Church position is. But whether or not black skin is the mark of Cain is irrelevant, because, "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" (Ezekiel 18:20).



    Many people claim that the fact that black members were denied the Priesthood is evidence of bigotry. We do not claim to be bigoted at all. It is important to realize our doctrinal views of God. We do not believe that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth, but rather that the author of the Bible, God, is the ultimate source of truth, and that he speaks through a living prophet today. The evidence we have of this is the Book of Mormon, and the only way we can know of spiritual truths is by the power of the Holy Ghost. Because we have come to know for ourselves that the Book of Mormon is true, we know also that there is a prophet today and that what he says is the will of God.



    In the Old Testament, only those who were of the tribe of Levi held the Levitical Priesthood, allowing them to officiate in temple ordinances. Prior to the time of Cornelius in the New Testament, the gospel was not even preached to Gentiles. We also know that until 1978 black members could not hold the priesthood, even though they could be baptized and be members of the Church. We may not know why these things are this way, but we trust that God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and that He knows more than we do.



    But even though we don't know why the Priesthood was denied, consider this. As a Caucasian missionary for the Church in 2009, I had incessant profanities yelled at me, empty cups and half-eaten apples thrown at me, and people threatening to get their shotguns, all because I happened to be a Mormon—and this in a part of the country not characterized by intolerance. I can hardly imagine what it would have been like for a black missionary prior to 1978!



    #2. Again, the issue of polygamy and its end is all related to the knowledge that we are guided by living prophets of God. When God tells us to do something, we do it, and when he tells us to stop doing something, we stop doing it. We know that some Biblical figures, such as Abraham and Jacob, had more than one wife, and it was what God wanted of them. Other times God only wanted everyone to have one wife. In ancient times and also in the early days of the LDS church, polygamy wasn't something anyone could do; it also was given by revelation on an individual basis.



    We believe in obeying the law. This is one reason why we do not practice polygamy now. Wilford Woodruff was the president of the Church at the time polygamy was discontinued. Some claim he conveniently "had" a revelation to stop polygamy so that Utah could acquire statehood. But again, we claim to be led by living prophets who speak to God, so we believe it was a genuine revelation. At the time he issued the announcement, he asked the members to contemplate the consequences of ending plural marriage versus continuing practicing it even though it was against the law. The benefits of ending it outweighed those of keeping it, and that is also part of why God commanded for it to end. We do not fully understand the reasons both for polygamy and for ending it, but we trust that it was what God wanted at one time and what He didn't want at another.


    Rewritten 1/31/10

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    gilmorecrazyluv

    [17]Jul 23, 2007
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    I have thought about the pros and cons of polygamy. I think that as an actual belief system it is, to me, just like any other religion. When I hear Bill (the husband on Big Love) talk about it, I understand that he is doing it for the principal and not for lust (which is why he stopped seeing Anna). I, personally, wouldn't and couldn't do it. I don't think that any religion has all the parts down pact, as far as God, religious beliefs and what a person can or cannot do. But I respect those people who can stay with their faith no matter the cost. Especially, when Mormonism has been turned into things that are unfavorable and not good.

    What is "the principal" anyhow? I hear it on the show but I've never actually known what it is.

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    prettyedy

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    honey47 wrote:
    ...So here i am, open to any questions ya'll might have, just for clarification sakes.


    My question is not about polygamy. It is about LDS marriages being sealed in the temple. Specifically about Marie Osmond's marriage and divorce.

    When Marie Osmond remarried could she be married for time and eternity to her new husband? Or will she be unmarried in eternity?
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    borisbalinkoff

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    prettyedy wrote:
    My question is not about polygamy. It is about LDS marriages being sealed in the temple. Specifically about Marie Osmond's marriage and divorce. When Marie Osmond remarried could she be married for time and eternity to her new husband? Or will she be unmarried in eternity?
    I do not know the case with Marie Osmond. It depends on what happened with her first marriage. It is possible to have an eternal marriage annulled. This, however, warrants permission from the First Presidency, the three main people of the church. If they allowed the first marriage cancelled, then yes, Marie can be married to him forever. Sometimes, however, they deny the annulment (I have no idea why), in which case Marie would not be married eternally to her second husband.

    I could be wrong on this, however.

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    gilmorecrazyluv

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    I think they'd grant it if it ended on something like someone cheating or one of their commandments being broken in the marriage or something. If it's anything else, like, say, they fell out of love with one another then they would probably just be like "tough" (LOL) but I don't know because I'm not Mormon.
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