FX (ended 2006)
la820,first of all this show sucks and it really solved no problems. It was just a controversial ploy to make money.Maybe you should do more studying up on history.So let me get this straight. Your reasoning is that because all races in the world have experienced problems that it justifies slavery. Or that some African tribes joined the Europeans and traded people for weapons that justifies the slavery.The african slave trade was the biggest forced migration in human history. With 10's of millions traded over the world and millions more died on the trip. Second, the inequalities in this country between blacks and whites are huge. And they have been that way since the beginning. The system was never changed but just added on too. There has been dozens of studies from independent research organizations,colleges,etc that continue to still today find these inequalities to be true. Unlike the Japanese,jews,etc blacks were never payed reparations. Blacks were released from slavery with nothing but the clothes on their backs because they didn't earn anything.Look up two acres and a mule.It seems whites love trying to use slavery and say its over. But they seem to forget the years after slavery. It wasn't until the 1960's and years later laws were passed against discrimination,abuse,attacks,etc. So lets see we are talking about 100+ years in slavery and several decades until you can get so-so treatment. I haven't even went into the numerous lynchings,assasinations,mass destruction of black towns(Tulsa,rosewood,etc). Mob killings of any blacks who tried to get a high position or buy property,which there were alot of,I could go on but it would take several pages.
Whites didn't just magically decide to give blacks rights. It was fought for by blacks for more then half of this countries inception. Beginning in the 1930s and 1940s, the federal government created programs that subsidized low-cost home loans, opening up home ownership to millions of Americans for the first time. At the same time, government underwriters introduced a national appraisal system tying property value and loan eligibility to race, inventing "redlining," and effectively locking nonwhites out of home-buying just as most middle class white Americans were beginning to purchase homes. Federal affirmative action guidelines specifically prohibit quotas. Beginning in the 1930, the Federal Housing Administration and related programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans to own a home for the first time and set off the post-WWII suburban building boom.
The government established a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race, a policy known today as "redlining." The FHA and other government policies made possible the post-World War II all-white suburbs, while people of color and in central cities were denied loans. Government policies and practices helped create two legacies that are still with us today: segregated communities and a substantial wealth gap between whites and nonwhites, much of which can be traced to the differential value of their homes. Probably no one statistic better captures the cumulative disadvantage of past discrimination than wealth. Even at the same income levels, whites still have, on average, twice as much wealth as nonwhites. Much of this difference is due to the different rates of home ownership and the different values of homes in white and Black neighborhoods. But wealth is not only the end point, it's the starting line for the next generation - helping finance your children's education, helping them through hard times, or helping with the down payment of their own home. Economists estimate 50-80% of one's lifetime wealth accumulation can be traced to this head start. As wealth gets passed down from generation to generation, the legacy of past discrimination accumulates, giving whites and nonwhites vastly different life chances. The Civil Rights Act made racial discrimination in public places illegal.
The other programs are all examples of racial preferences - for white people. Over a 40-year period, the Homestead Act gave away, for free, 270 million acres of what had been Indian Territory, almost all of it to white people. The Naturalization Act allowed only "free white persons" to adopt citizenship, thus opening our doors to European immigrants, but barring Asians and other groups. Racial barriers to citizenship were not removed until 1952. The Federal Housing Administration made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. And the Social Security Act specifically exempted two occupations from coverage: farm-workers and domestics, both largely non-white.
According to the 2000 Census, whites are more likely to be segregated than any other group. This is largely a result of past housing discrimination, but it is perpetuated today by unfair practices such as predatory lending, racial steering and a substantial wealth gap between black and white families. Today, 71% of whites own their own home, compared to 44% of African Americans. Black and Latino mortgage applicants are 60% more likely than whites to be turned down for loans, even after controlling for employment, financial, and neighborhood characteristics. On average, nonwhites who are approved for mortgages still pay higher rates.
I'm not even going into police brutality,the differences in criminal sentencing between blacks and whites. Along with alot of other things. Because it will take forever to write all of that information up. I've been studying world history for years and continue to research all views. And the truth it that Americans don't like confronting their past and it shows. When people in this country see this is an American problem and not black or white. We can then make a hell of alot more progress. You can try that America has no more racial problems with something as less educated as you on this problem. But you can't try that on someone like me that has been researching this for years.
Why don't you read up on your history and you try and lie to yourself that this countries history and present inequalities have nothing to do with it?
are misinterpreting what the black family is saying, the society is dominated
by the white race, & don't you think you would feel intimidated by them at
times & you should think about where their points of view are coming from.
are stereotyped the most & did you notice whites really aren't stereotyped
in a negative way that much compared to other races (Because of being the
racism stands different in all societies, all over the world. I don't think you
will be able to understand anyone’s point of view or experiences (to do with
racism, gender, ethnicities etc) even if you are put in similar situations or
the same situations the most you can do is have an open mind. Right.
I'm not black, nor I guess white, I am half philippino and half white, I'm a 14
year old girl.. & I guess the only way you can stereotype me is as being
myself - Vanessa.
|Hi again la820, No point in rehashing what was said previously. I think you really do want to "get it" but judging from your post, which makes some good points, you still don't. Here's why. You bring up the point that your ancestors didn't own slaves. Lots of whites make this argument. Slavery may have ended in 1864, but the Civil Rights Act, which allowed us to earn a decent wage and vote (which you couldn't do in the south) came along in 1964, one hundred years later. That was only 42 years ago, a very short time in terms of history. So, for the record, it isn't about slavery. In 2006, we still have substandard educational facilities, limited access to housing (home owners in nice areas don't always sell to blacks, even if they have the money), access to management positions for qualified candidates, low expectations sight unseen, the list goes on and on. I'll tell you one thing. If we were as crazy and angry about slavery as white people say we are, white folks would have been massacred years ago. The fact that you're all still here and an uprising is NOT on our agenda speaks volumes for our willingness to let things go. Now - about crime. Yes, blacks commit crimes. So do whites. Yet the punishment is not equally distributed. Most teenagers are idiots when they're young and they do stupid things. White kids get second chances while black kids do not. When I watch shows like Judge Judy or Judge Mathis, I am always saddened by how many whites admit that they have sold drugs or assaulted someone, been arrested and received 6 months of community service (thanks to their highly paid attorneys), while minority kids get arrested for the same or less drastic crimes and receive serious prison time - which affects their record, which affects their ability to become gainfully employed. Should justice be handed out based on who can pay for the best lawyer? Justice should be handed out based on the crime and it isn't. OK - I'm pretty much done. Just one more thing. Your final comment about us taking responsibility for our lives - well, what about those of us - MANY of us - who have and still experience racism? We're educated, have decent jobs, are law abiding and mentor our youth. I don't know how much more responsible we can be. Maybe it's time whites took more responsibility for THEIR role in other people's hardships. What do you teach your children about black people? Do you avoid hiring blacks because you worked with one that had an "attitude"? Do you grab your bag when a black man approaches? Lock your car door? We didn't get here by ourselves. You guys helped a lot. Hope we're still cool!|
Maybe you should do more studying up on history.So let me get this straight. Your reasoning is that because all races in the world have experienced problems that it justifies slavery. Or that some African tribes joined the Europeans and traded people for weapons that justifies the slavery.The african slave trade was the biggest forced migration in human history. With 10's of millions traded over the world and millions more died on the trip. Second, the inequalities in this country between blacks and whites are huge. And they have been that way since the beginning. The system was never changed but just added on too. There has been dozens of studies from independent research organizations,colleges,etc that continue to still today find these inequalities to be true. Unlike the Japanese,jews,etc blacks were never payed reparations. Blacks were released from slavery with nothing but the clothes on their backs because they didn't earn anything.Look up two acres and a mule.It seems whites love trying to use slavery and say its over. But they seem to forget the years after slavery. It wasn't until the 1960's and years later laws were passed against discrimination,abuse,attacks,etc. So lets see we are talking about 100+ years in slavery and several decades until you can get so-so treatment. I haven't even went into the numerous lynchings,assasinations,mass destruction of black towns(Tulsa,rosewood,etc). Mob killings of any blacks who tried to get a high position or buy property,which there were alot of,I could go on but it would take several pages.
I was first going to try to refrain from commenting on this topic because I knew I would just get frustrated and end up typing up a year's worth of response to this topic...
Then, based on the first few comments, I felt HIGHLY COMPELLED to respond because I couldn't believe what I was seeing...
But...thank GOD for people like Ellbee and jxsilicon9!! Couldn't have said it better myself.
And although I know that this topic has been dormant for several months now, ha...and that the two people above pretty much touched on a few things I was going to mention...there are just a few other things I wanted to throw out there.
#1...Racism, discrimination, slavery and injustice throughout history has been wrong in every way, shape and form - there is no denying that. However...as somewhat already mentioned, although it was done many times to many different people in the past, Blacks in America are the only ones who were completely stripped of their native religion, language, culture and customs and even, in many cases, their family. Everyone else who has suffered from some type of slavery or large-scale racism or genocide have managed to bounce back...because they were not comPLETEly stripped of practically EVERYthing...
Personally speaking, African slavery for black people is not a crutch, as far too many people mistakingly label it, but is instead motivation....and serves as something that did in fact happen in this country's history....and, just as the Jews make SURE no one ever forgets about the Holocaust (and with good reason, of course), blacks want to have the same, when it comes to slavery, the whole Civil Rights era and any other periods throughout this country's history that heavily dealt with the massive wrongdoings of African and black people...
Keep in mind, also, that blacks' ancestors endured CENTURIES of madness - not just some years....not even some decades...but CENTURIES - HUNDREDS of years...
and the on-the-surface madness didn't even end until just a few decades ago...
and as already said, that was just on the surface - imagine what all still lies beneath!
Many of those people from the '40s, '50s and '60s and such who protested against blacks gaining rights, having equality and integrating into more of American culture and still alive and well today......and to make matters worse, are passing on a lot of that mentality down to their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
#2...Many blacks do know that not all white people are racist or out to get them....but...as best said by the comedian D.L. Hughley once when asked by Bill O'Reilly why blacks always think that whites are out to get them, whereas many groups of people who have been discriminated against throughout history have a few main figureheads they can point at for their unfair treatment, torture and years of misery (i.e. Adolf Hitler for the Jews)...blacks do not have that........because it was always not just one or two people starting full-fledged hateful acts against blacks, but it was everyone from the KKK to a church pastor; from the president or governor, down to the elementary school custodian; from the 65-year-old sheriff and all or at least most of the police officers under him, to the 5-year-old classmate in kindergarten in class...
In other words, it was the majority of whites - all types, classes, ages, religions and occupations....
#3...In addition to that, my own observation is that even in 2007, while many people claim that blacks are always so quick to pull the "race card," the question is: can you blame us?
Yes, perhaps in some cases, it may be much, but overall....think of how many times - not even 50 years ago, but ten years ago....5 years ago....that something was blatantly held from us or done against us collectively or individually, because of our color?
Just like the whole Hurricane Katrina controversy - my whole thing was, yeah...just like many things, there is always the possibility that the government didn't purposely wait around to help those people, solely because of the fact that they were mostly black.....but at the same time, there is also the possibility (a much stronger possibility, at that - based on this country's history and tendencies) that that really was the reason...so, how do we really know? The thing is, we don't...because that is how this country designed it to be. Only about 30 years ago were we blatantly discriminated against and before that, we didn't catch a break since we were first forced over here centuries prior, so what else do you expect? You expect people to get over that in just some years - even when many of us still experience it - either on or below the surface - everyday? We must be realistic.
#4...As a woman, I do understand the whole sexism thing...It is definitely real and exists...HOWEVER...
Throughout history and even today, in comparison and generally speaking, sexism has not been the cause of massive beatings, hangings, castrations and rapings - being spat on...having feces and urine thrown at you....being hosed and unfairly tried and convicted for crimes you didn't even commit.........having to take different entrances into buildings...and use low-quality versions and areas of public facilities - if you could even use them at all...
Yes, some degrees of sexism have led to humiliation, embarassment and being stripped of one's dignity, such as rape, which I do of course believe is horrible in any way, shape or form...and although, unquestionably, none of it is right.....that discrimination and hatred is always on an individual-by-individual basis - not on the basis of an entire population of people....
Just explaining the difference...
And if you want to compare the discrimination to modern day...let's just use the mere example of....a black man walking into a room full of white people...compared to a woman walking into a room full of men.....
What would be some of the average thoughts of the white people in the first situation, versus the thoughts of the men in the second one?
There is just NO comparison...
I am a woman, yes, and still, I know that there is no comparison....
I have many female friends and acquaintances - old and young - from all over the country who will say the same thing...
#5...And I saw that the reparations argument was mentioned - Amen to that! Not only have there been no reparations, but no real and genuine atonement for what happened...
Many of the apologies have come out of the feel of obligation and political correctness...but there have been no large atonement or even the real ability for the black community to massively heal from all that happened in the past....
#6....A for the comments about many of our youth being "rude" and "disrespectful," which is why we can't get but so far...well, first of all, it is interesting because many blacks would say the same thing about white youth. Many blacks - and other races, not to mention - think that white youth, from toddler to teenage, are rude, disrespectful, out of control, spoiled and have little to no discipline....but the fact of the matter is, maybe we just don't understand them...just like it is clearly the case that many whites do not understand our youth, when they are quick to write them off as another "delinquent."
As much as you might be trying to help or whatever else is the case, you cannot come into black neighborhoods with the rules that you've always known to work for you. Many times, not all, but many of these people "trying to help" have not gone through what these young kids have gone through...seen what they've seen...or been where they have been.
and finally....last but not least, #7....All I have left to say is that, although the media has been making quite the fuss about Barack Obama...the reality is that it is 2007, and it is STILL not 100% (or even 75%, if you want to get technical) safe for a BLACK MAN to become president of this country! And it sure ain't just because of the "president" title, either!
But even worse, there has never even been anything but a middle-to-upper-class white man as president....and it is 2007, for crying out loud!
Talk about a fact about this country that speaks volumes...
And, that is all. Glad to get that all out - Have a nice day .