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    vickase

    [21]Mar 20, 2006
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    GGordonKitty, you think you know everything about everything. If that person was using his own experience then fine but by choosing the words that were used makes the comment and that person look a bit ignorant, just because I pointed out that it needs to be looked at from all sides does not make me ignorant and honestly, you need to take yourself out of this loop apparently you think your too intelligent for the people here and that you know everything about racism or our countries flaws, don't tell me I know you did a ton of research and went to a high end college and you know everything there is to know about racial differences, when in reality your trying to prove to yourself your not a racist.
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    vickase

    [22]Mar 20, 2006
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    GGordonKitty, you think you know everything about everything. If that person was using his own experience then fine but by choosing the words that were used makes the comment and that person look a bit ignorant, just because I pointed out that it needs to be looked at from all sides does not make me ignorant and honestly, you need to take yourself out of this loop apparently you think your too intelligent for the people here and that you know everything about racism or our countries flaws, don't tell me, oh I know you did a ton of research and went to a high end college and you know everything there is to know about racial differences and can grade an english paper or two, when in reality your trying to prove to yourself your not a racist. Also I would like to add this is not an english class I can have as many run on sentences as I like, and the context of my words are my own and if you get offended then apparently I've done a good job of getting attention, I also believe your still reading this because your curiosity is taking you here, I am taking your power away you are a fool and you are and will always be invisible to me and you will learn are invisible to a lot of people on this board. Thank You.
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    IAChad79

    [23]Mar 20, 2006
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    vickase wrote:
    GGordonKitty, you think you know everything about everything. If that person was using his own experience then fine but by choosing the words that were used makes the comment and that person look a bit ignorant, just because I pointed out that it needs to be looked at from all sides does not make me ignorant and honestly, you need to take yourself out of this loop apparently you think your too intelligent for the people here and that you know everything about racism or our countries flaws, don't tell me, oh I know you did a ton of research and went to a high end college and you know everything there is to know about racial differences and can grade an english paper or two, when in reality your trying to prove to yourself your not a racist. Also I would like to add this is not an english class I can have as many run on sentences as I like, and the context of my words are my own and if you get offended then apparently I've done a good job of getting attention, I also believe your still reading this because your curiosity is taking you here, I am taking your power away you are a fool and you are and will always be invisible to me and you will learn are invisible to a lot of people on this board. Thank You.


    When you reply to people, click on the "quote" button. If you were talking to me. You can't quote somone unless you are using their exact words. I couldn't find that sentence you quoted in anyones text, so I didn't even think you were talking to me until that other nice person defended me. People are racist. Some people are not. It doesn't matter where it is at. Whinning about it on a message board isn't gonna make people change. In fact I saw the preview for next week where the black mom says "negro" to her son when he buys an expensive watch. I think that's stupid. I wouldn't call my son "cracker" or "whitey" when I was mad at him. People always are going on all day about wanting to be treated the same, yet get all shocked when people look at them weird because they are acting different. We are all tired of people whinning about being treated different to get ahead in life. How about acting right and giving respect to get respect. I don't dislike anyone based on skins, it's on their crappy attitudes and their poor manners and lack of respect and attacking people on message boards, I'm don't posting on this thread.
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    GGordonKitty

    [24]Mar 20, 2006
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    vickase: Now that I know I am invisible to you, I know my life will crumble into a cesspool of despair. You've classified IAchad79 as ignorant for sharing his perspective and I am a know it all fool for sharing information I thought would have been useful regarding the topic of racism. But alas, we have all failed you on this message board. Just for the record, I didn't go to a "high end college". If I had I would be a pro-censorship, socialist like most of the brats who leave there.

    Yes vickase, you are free to run rip-shod through the English language with no regard whatsoever for punctuation or periods. You have the right to use any word available to you out of context. We will all be careful not to offend you by offering information or perspectives that you are unfamiliar with. Having said that, I do appreciate the article you placed on the other thread and will use that information in coming discussions regarding race. BTW, under the current definition of the word, a racist discriminates based on skin color and is necessarily Caucasian. The problem is a culture clash, not skin color and any ethnic group can be racist.

    Goodbye my love, your invisible friend.
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    Sassyone08

    [25]Mar 22, 2006
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    In my opinion Bruno is unwilling to learn anything about Black culture, therefore I feel that this experiment and experience has proved to be fruitless and further discredits the true experiences that Blacks in this country face on a daily basis.

    Also, I feel that the Black family has not really articulated their day to day lives in a manner that can be understood by the White family. For example, the very instant that Carmen decided that she was going to stand up in front of her daughters guest and refer to them as being creatures and gay/straight, she should have been put on the spot right there. That should have created a forum amongst the house and their guests. True questions should have been asked about how those individuals felt when she exerted her White priviledge in a room where her opinion and thoughts were not welcome.

    Another thing is that when Carmen got upset when she found out that her comments were offensive made me laugh and proves that her priviledge in this society as a White person makes her feel that she is constantly entitled to having an opinion and having those around her listen and care about what she is saying is important to her. In fact she stated "...I can not live like that...I don't want to have to watch my words when I am expressing myself" that was a key time in which members of the Black family could have plainly stated neither do we, yet on a daily basis as a Black person in American society I feel the pressure, stress and need to conform to what others expectations and accept the fact that what I think and feel does not matter to society.

    Bruno, in my opinion has wasted his own time. Which says something about him as well. He came into this situation with a closed mind, intent on proving that Black people in America do not experience racism and that we are lazy etc. Therefore, he is going to find good in any White person wether the are being racist to him or not because he feels that White is right. And as for Black people he thinks and feels the exact opposite about Black people and is intent upon continuing to think negatively about Black people.

    He is proof that the old saying is in fact true "Whatever you put in, is what you get out".

    "America has Black a crime, I hope to make it a virtue"

    Marcus Garvey
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    IAChad79

    [26]Mar 22, 2006
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    For all the promotion of showing them changing their color, I wish they would mostly focus on that, not the bickering back at the house. This show is way more boring that I thought it was gonna be.
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    hound562

    [27]Mar 28, 2006
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    yes i agree this show would have been better in a different environement. either way i'm still addicted to this show, i really like the messages it's showing.
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    minou_chere

    [28]Mar 30, 2006
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    Sassyone08 wrote:
    Another thing is that when Carmen got upset when she found out that her comments were offensive made me laugh and proves that her priviledge in this society as a White person makes her feel that she is constantly entitled to having an opinion and having those around her listen and care about what she is saying is important to her. In fact she stated "...I can not live like that...I don't want to have to watch my words when I am expressing myself" that was a key time in which members of the Black family could have plainly stated neither do we, yet on a daily basis as a Black person in American society I feel the pressure, stress and need to conform to what others expectations and accept the fact that what I think and feel does not matter to society.

    Marcus Garvey


    This is an example of where black.white is going wrong, I whole heartedly agree with you that there should have been a discussion about what was going wrong when Carmen stood up, of course that's assuming that the show is actually trying to create a dialogue about each other's experiences and expectations rather than yet another show that portrays whites to be unfeeling and naive and blacks to be victims and wise beyond their years.

    Everyone has to watch what they say in public, I am an upper middle class white woman and thought Carmen was just as strange as all the members of the poetry class did, even Rose said "my mom is weird". If I were entertaining a group of people that I wasn't well acquainted with(it doesn't matter white/black/red/purple, whatever) I would never ever say anything that could be offensive to anyone, it's a matter of politeness when interacting with others. I would never call anyone a creature or question their sexual preference without them bringing up the issue. When in a professional setting I am even more restrained, very careful to choose my words not to offend customers/clients or colleagues, not based on race but based on my desire to succeed and have others view me as a professional.

    If this show were doing what it said it has set out to do a discussion would have arisen, where maybe the point would come out that white people also have to act a different way when among strangers than they do when among friends and family, it's certainly not restricted to minorities. Instead, the show left everyone watching with the feeling that white people were naive and feel a sense of entitlement (rather than Carmen is just a classless woman with no sense of etiquette) and that black people are justified in feeling that white people use this over them, which just isn't true in most cases.
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    DONTBELIEVETHAT

    [29]Mar 30, 2006
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    I DON'T KNOW IF SHOWING THIS SHOW IN ATLANTA IS A GOOD IDEA EITHER. I THINK BY CHANGING IT TO A STATE WHERE THERE ARE MORE BLACKS THAT YOU WILL ONLY SHOW REVERSE RACISM. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I DO KNOW THAT IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. MAYBE WE SHOULD START BY NOT MAKING IT GO AWAY BUT BY FIRST JUST SHOWING EACH OTHER RESPECT. I WORK IN A VERY DIVERSE JOB (HEAD START) I CONSIDER ALL OF THE LADIES I WORK WITH VERY FINE HUMANS AND FRIENDS WHO WORK TOGETHER FOR ONE CAUSE, TO TEACH CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT RACE. ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE NOW IN THE SCHOOLS IS THAT NO ONE CAN CELEBRATE ANY ONE ELSES SPECIAL DAYS, KWANZAA, CHRISTMAS, HANUKKAH, ETC. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE INTRODUCED TO ALL THEY CAN AND UNDERSTAND WHERE EACH OTHER ARE COMING FROM. EVERYONE IS A PRODUCT OF THEIR EXCERIENCED THEY HAVE WHILE GROWING UP. I THINK WE, AT HEAD START, HAVE ALOT OF RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER. WHAT WE DON'T DO IS HANG TOGETHER OUT SIDE OF WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BECAUSE OF RACE OR JUST BECAUSE LIFE IS SO BUSY THESE DAYS. I DO HAVE MANY FIREND AT WORK AND IF I EVER HAD A PARTY AT MY HOUSE I WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT THEY WOULD ALL SHOW FOR THE PARTY AND FEEL COMFORTABLE AT MY HOME.
    I DO THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENCES IN THE LIVES OF ALL TYPES OF OF CULTURES. MAYBE WE SHOULD CELEBRATE WITH EACH OTHER AND CONTINUE TO CORRECT THE PEOPLE OR HELP THE PEOLPE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES OR HAVE HAD NEGITIVE EXPERIENCES WITH OTHERS. I DO KNOW THAT WE SHOULD STOP THINKING THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS A CERTAIN RACE THAT THEY ARE ALL BAD. I HAVE MET GOOD AND BAD IN ALL RACES.
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    la820

    [30]Mar 31, 2006
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    In response to the author of the original post of this thread, I beg to differ. I spent nine years in Mississippi, where there is a large population of blacks. What I saw was not an environment of racism (whites towards blacks); I saw an environment where blacks, because of their large number, felt more free to express their sense of entitlement, based on their sense of victimization (real or perceived), exploiting it to the fullest degree -- bullying and mob mentality are two terms that come to mind.

    I am a white, middle-class, forty-something woman who was raised in a liberal household. I am a staunch Democrat and, although I am more of a moderate now, I still have liberal leanings on certain issues. I only mention all of this because the Democrat Party is considered the party of the majority of blacks, and, by association, white Democrats are often considered bleeding hearts when it comes to the "plight" of black people. And I WAS a bleeding heart in that aspect for some years.

    My views have changed, though, as have the views of many of my fellow Democrats and bleeding hearts. There was a time when blacks needed a leg up, but now virtually all the opportunities available to whites are also available to blacks. But for the most part, I don't see blacks taking advantage of these opportunities. Do I think racism/discrimination has been eradicated? No, I don't. But neither has discrimination in many other forms. As a woman, I've experienced sexism. Do I embrace it and let it rule my life, feel sorry for myself, hold all males accountable? No, I don't. Do I feel some sense of entitlement because I've been discriminated against because of my sex? No, I don't.

    Blacks don't own title to discrimination. It exists in many forms, whether you're black, white, male, female, overweight, Asian, poor, handicapped, Hispanic, live in the "wrong" neighborhood, don't wear brand-name clothing...whatever. But you can choose to rise above it, or you can wallow in self-pity. And what I see is a lot of blacks choosing to wallow and blaming us "bad white people" for their poor choices.

    I'm sure this won't make me a popular person on this forum. But I think my views are shared by much of white America. The race card has been played out, folks. There's no excuse any longer. It's time for black America to start taking responsibilty.
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    rookeealding

    [31]Apr 5, 2006
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    there are many fundimentally flawed things with this show. For one. the SES (socio. economic status) of these families and their location. I would have liked to see two families of lower-middle class and not higher middle class.(where there are more oppertuniies in general) (seriouly I bet I don't make half as much money either of the two families do) and I would like to have seen a location other than upperclass California.. maybe somewhere in the southeast..not too far south and not too far north. ( the culture diffrence/shock between west and east alone would have made this show much diffrent)

    Granted I haven't watched this show much, but I haven't seen many times where the black family is in makeup at all..

    all in all. I feel the children have a better grasp of acceptance of the other's culture than the adults do. I kind of wish that they wouldn't bother with the adults.

    Both the father's annoy me to no end, the white father can't see past his own belifs and the Black father doesn't want to believe that the white family is learning anything...I felt like sometimes if you lock those two up in a room, they would kill each other.
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    judahcem

    [32]Apr 6, 2006
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    I completely agree with all you had to say. One thing I once heard someone say that really changed my thinking about this issue was that whites arent as racist as most blacks think, blacks just still havent forgiven the white race for slavery. Its like holding the wrong doings of a father against all of his children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives. I do understand that their is racism in this country, but it is very equal on both sides of the race card. My family has always believed that no matter what your color, be respectful and considerate to everyone and you will be okay. I do think that to some extent that is what Bruno is trying to say, he just gets shot down everytime he opens his mouth. Both families are walking around with no real experiences with the other race and then act offended when they base a belief on some sort of racial sterotype.
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    Ellbee

    [33]Apr 6, 2006
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    judahcem wrote:
    I completely agree with all you had to say. One thing I once heard someone say that really changed my thinking about this issue was that whites arent as racist as most blacks think, blacks just still havent forgiven the white race for slavery. Its like holding the wrong doings of a father against all of his children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives. I do understand that their is racism in this country, but it is very equal on both sides of the race card. My family has always believed that no matter what your color, be respectful and considerate to everyone and you will be okay. I do think that to some extent that is what Bruno is trying to say, he just gets shot down everytime he opens his mouth. Both families are walking around with no real experiences with the other race and then act offended when they base a belief on some sort of racial sterotype.


    I think The Sparks do have experiences with whites but they're very superficial experiences. Dealing with whites and blacks in passing (like at work) is not the same as having personal relationships with them and I think this is where Brian isn't "getting it". Both families experiences with other races seem to be minimal but The Sparks probably do have more chances to interact with whites than Bruno and Carmen do with blacks - albeit on a very low level. The kids of both families, on the other hand, have friends of all races so they don't seem to know what the big deal is.
    Hopefully, their kids will continue to treat other races equally later in life. The parents are pretty much lost.
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