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    platano_blanco

    [82]Sep 8, 2007
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    why is it that when grimmjow is kicked out of espada luppi becomes number 6 instead of being number 10 and yammy 9 and so on. if its because hes stronger than everyone under him why wasn't he an espada to begin with like #7. to make it short my question is how did luppi climb the ranks so quickly without going through 7-10

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    Darketernal777

    [83]Sep 8, 2007
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    MoCrovellie wrote:
    Darketernal777 wrote:
    MoCrovellie wrote:
    KappaPsi wrote:
    GodVegeta1982 wrote:

    Here is a speculation of mine that I've had for awhile and its about Kenpachi's zanpakuto, remember this is just throwing it out there...

    I have been wondering, why cant Kenpachi talk to his zanpakuto? Then it came to me, maybe has been all along and just hasnt realized it. Maybe Yachiru is his physical form of it, I mean from what I saw she came out of nowhere after one of his fights, she couldnt remember where she had came from or even who she was. She has been seen with a zanpakuto of her own but has anyone ever saw her use it? In resent episodes from japan *Dont read on if you dont want spoilers* they were saying that Kenpachi has been found sleeping all the time but his lieutenant has not been seen in along time ... coincidence? I dunno, maybe he has finally realized it and is one with his zanpakuto now. In any case, weirder things have taken place in Bleach so it could be a possibilty no matter how far fetched it is. So what do you guys think? Could it be possible?

    definitly an intresting theory and twist, but other people have seen Yachiru and as far as i can tell no one has been able to see other peoples physical forms of thier zanpakuto. cool idea though if it was the case, i mean he is crazy powerful so it could be something like hes so powerful other people can see her, but i doubt it.
    Other people can see the physical forms of zanpaktuo's, like when Yoruichi saw Zangetsu and when Ichigo and Yoruichi saw Zabimaru. About Yachiru being Zaraki's Zanpaktuo, too farfechted for me, and she couldn't remember becauze she was an infant when he found her. His Zanpaktuo is just like him, a loner. But still some zanpaktuo's aren't like their wielders, like Ikkaku and his Zanpaktuo, he works hard, his Zanpaktuo is lazy, maybe becauze Ikkaku doesn't use all the power of his Zanpaktuo. dunno. Still, like i said before, at the winter wars we will see a full espada existing out of Vasto Lorde i think. The Espada is already getting thinned out now. And the hougyoku will be fully awakened, freaking powerfull espada then. If Ichigo could hold his Hollow form, like the chick that calls him Berry San, she hold her hollow form at the first time for 15 hours, he would be the unbeatable man.

    Im not so sure about your Ichigo assessment, seeing as how he barely beat a fully released Grimmjow in his sustained hollow form. Personally I would place Ichigo's power as a 6th ranked Espada, which I believe is the very bottom rung of the Vasto Lorde ladder. I think from 6 up begins the Vasto Lorde category, seeing as how 7 and down arent even worthy of being espada since 1 of them is a gillian, the lowest form of menos grande, and another one is some octopus looking, theatre rat. Really uninspiring.

    I think Kenpachi's zanpaktou hasnt spoken to him because Kenpachi for so long has refused to speak to it. However, now that he seeks contact, with some time, I do believe he'll emerge in some chapter soon enough and release at least a shikai on some powerful espada and totally mop up with his zanpaktou. Now, here's my theory about Kenpachi's sleeping: Hitsugaya told Matsumoto that she would have to enter a deep sleep for 10 years in order to age/grow stronger/etc. during the SS arc. What if Kenpachi is attempting some crash course of this idea? Meaning, not sleeping for 10 years, but being in a deep sleep for weeks or perhaps even months while the Hueco Mundo stuff is going on so he can become stronger(since he said that was his goal after he drew against Ichigo) and through this process speaks to his zanpaktou and finally releases AT least a shikai(Personally I'd love to see Kubo give what Im sure every Kenpachi fan alive seeks is a shikai and finally a bankai of kenpachi's zanpaktou)? Oh well, this is all just speculation and we'll see what actually happens.

    Though, most people seem to think that Hueco Mundo and the winter war are gunna be 2 seperate arcs but....isn't that a little too much? I feel like Bleach is kinda dragging already with the Hueco Mundo arc being just constant fights. I mean, the last 20 or 30 chapters were fights. Nothing but fights. Not even a little side step to find out what's happening in soul society, nothing. Just fights in Hueco Mundo. I dunno about you guys, but im kinda getting bored with NOTHING BUT FIGHTS for the past many chapters.

    Yeah i don't really read the Manga, but i still read the posts in the Manga thread, so didn't know he barely beat released Grimmjow. About Kenpachi, hmmm maybe he's sleeping a lott becauze he is bored, or it looks like he's sleeping, but in fact he's concentrating so that his zanpakuto will reveal itself and tell him his name. About kenpachi's shikai, it is already in shikai i think, becauze he can't seal his sword, cuz of his reiatsu, as he said to Ichigo, when ichigo then thought he could win becauze he couldn't get stronger then, big mistake of him lol. Well if i am not mistaken. I Hope after the hueco mundo arc they will have some time of, and concentrate on some other stories, more background info on the chars etc.

    About Kenpachi's zanpaktou, I dont think its in any form right now. Even though he said he couldnt seal his reiatsu if he tried because its so massive (which leads me to believe that, in theory, Kenpachi could be the strongest bleach character of all, seeing as how a zanpaktou's release stages have strength proportionate to reiatsu, and if his is near limitless, his zanpaktou's release powers can be as well), I dont think its in shikai because he doesnt even know his zanpaktou's name, so there's no way he could call on it and release it. Just like Ichigo, before he knew Zangetsu, he was running around with a really powerful pre-release zanpaktou, just like Kenpachi is now.

    Man oh man would I love to see Kenpachi hit at least a shikai in the manga and wipe the floor with some espada. It'd be insanity. Even more so, I'd love to see Genryusai's ban kai. His shi kai mops the floor with most ban kai, so his ban kai could probably roast Aizen like a turkey.

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    Rukia_Kuchiki

    [84]Sep 10, 2007
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    platano_blanco wrote:

    why is it that when grimmjow is kicked out of espada luppi becomes number 6 instead of being number 10 and yammy 9 and so on. if its because hes stronger than everyone under him why wasn't he an espada to begin with like #7. to make it short my question is how did luppi climb the ranks so quickly without going through 7-10

    First of Luppi is not a 6 strongest. I think they just replace them. They haven't given an answer I don't find logical. Your replaced, simple as that, your number doesn't drop.

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    fist2end

    [85]Sep 18, 2007
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    I dont know i think isshen might be the king and he ran off with the mom, and took her sur name
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    fist2end

    [86]Sep 18, 2007
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    another theory of mine is that ichigo mom and hat and clogs guy are brother and sister
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    MalignantManor

    [87]Sep 18, 2007
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    platano_blanco wrote:

    why is it that when grimmjow is kicked out of espada luppi becomes number 6 instead of being number 10 and yammy 9 and so on. if its because hes stronger than everyone under him why wasn't he an espada to begin with like #7. to make it short my question is how did luppi climb the ranks so quickly without going through 7-10



    He was raised to piss Grimmjow off.
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    NeoDreamslayer

    [88]Sep 18, 2007
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    LOL Ichigo's mom is beautiful I dont see her being related to Urahara with his funky clothes. Seriously though when Aizen creates a new arrancar he can feel its strength and decides its number. There wasnt any as strong as Grimmjow at full strength but Luppi must have come close. It is just that when he got his arm back, no one could take him. It was kind of a surprise attack anyway dont you think.
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    NeoDreamslayer

    [89]Sep 18, 2007
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    Last thing I wanted to speculate on is Isshin's disappearance from Soul Society. What if he used Urahara's portable gigai to fake his death. Urahara said that it had not been shown to anyone but they were best friends. Isshin wanted to leave and Urahara gave him something so he could leave without ppl noticing.
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    hell_wraith

    [90]Sep 18, 2007
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    In which chapter is it stated that they are best friends? and even so, wasn't his inflatable gigai thing a new technological development? Heck, Unohana could tell there was something a little fishy with Aizen's 'corpse' under complete hypnosis. I'm certain someone could have realised that Isshin's corpse was a gigai.
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    JadeRent13

    [91]Sep 20, 2007
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    Rukia_Kuchiki wrote:

    Something has come to mind, because of last week episode. And it also ties into previous episodes.

    I think Orihime is going to die at the end of this arc, or before the end of Bleach. Kubo "did" foreshadow Shijin into the first chapter and it took almost 200 chapters to get him in the story.

    I lost sleep last night thinking this. Basically, the first hint was her powers, have a release phrase like a shinigami zanpakato release. Nothing much there that I real thought about. But during the Soul Society, she was the one who thought of the idea to "borrow" shinigami robe so they can blend in and not be noticed. I really didn't think much after that. Well time goes on to when she see's Hachigen and says her powers are like the power of a Shinigami. Which sort of matchs up with my 1st statment. Well in the last episode, Ukitake said "when she die's, she will make a great Shinigami."

    This also ties into my theory how Ichigo will either beat Ulquiorra or Aizen. Since if a normal person dies, and she goes to the Soul Society and is made a Shinigami right away. Lets just say Ichigo is about to be killed by Aizen, Orihime watching from behind jumps out and takes the full force of Aizen's power, killing her and sending her to the Soul Society. Ichigo flips out because Orihime dies, but forgetting that she went to the Soul Society. Gets enough strengths and beats Aizen. It sort of ties into that theory, but I know there is a lot of plotholes here. So I don't think my end half will come true.



    I was thinking the exact same thing! Especially right after watching the latest sub episode:Goodbye...Kurosaki. Not to mention some of the stuff in the manga when they talk about Orihime's powers. In the episode, as much as Orihime is saying goodbye to Ichigo, she's saying goodbye to her life in general. Maybe some foreshadowing that she's not going to survive in Hueco Mundo. Everything she did was so final. Sure, maybe she's just thinking she'll never return home, but this is speculation.
    The thing about Orihime's powers is that, in my opinion, the power to bring back the dead is just too much. I'm thinking maybe she'll sacrifice herself to destroy the hogyoku or to save someone and then much later come back as a Shinigami with those kinds of powers and not the kind she developed as a human.
    I could be totally off, because Bleach doesn't seem like the show to kill off any major characters unless they're bad guys or in the distant past. But I can't get away from the feeling that Orihime's going to die.
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    Pain09

    [92]Sep 20, 2007
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    saying that his reiatsu wouldnt be sealed even if he tries means his in shikai, the same with ichigo he cant seal it.

    but if it was in shikai why isnt it black and white?

    there are other swords out there like rukias that are totaly white and seeing his zanpaktus form it doesnt look like the first form but shikai.

    ichigos power went skyhigh when he used tensei zangetsu's power so with the power of hollow and zanpaktu he should be going up, i remember the first fight with grim he was starting to get silver eyes when he lost his mask.

    Yachiru isnt zanpaktu b/c she got one her self and zanpaktus cant have their own, ichigo's had his own but it was the same as ichigo, and zaraki doesnt know the name of his zanpaktu. i didnt get the part were they needed to sleep to power up but i think his going to his inner mind to talk with his zanpaktu.

    i tought aizen and the gang were the 3 espada and now that i seen nr 3 i'm guessing wildly whos the next 2 anyone that can guess? since the 4th is aizens fav who could 1 and 2 be? and how the hell did nr 5 crush the head of nr 3?

    edit: isnt that little guy ichigo had or girl ex-espada meaning that she is 3 digit? or did i get the ex-espada wrong?

    Edited on 09/20/2007 9:54am
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    Nijihime

    [93]Sep 26, 2007
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    First post!

    Well, I agree with Rukia about Orihime's death- there is some pretty heavy forshadowing going on in regards to her departure, and I think that Aizen will perhaps kill her when he finishes whatever his plans are for her.

    Which, by the way, I think have something to do with the hyougkyo (atrocious spelling!) because he was very interested in her powers of healing, which may in fact be some form of time-reversal, as Ulquiorra said.

    Maybe he wants her to keep reversing time so that he can gain the immense power that will be released at the point when it fully awakens? That's my opinion anyway, but I think Orihime'll perhaps reverse time so that it doesn't even happen in the first place and so that Ichigo may win abattle he lost.

    Cliched, but who doesn't like some tried and tested formula once in a while? One thing I'd like to find out about is Ichigo's family. Didn't you notice, in the SS arc, when Ichigo first introduced himself to shinigami they were all 'K-kurosaki?' ^.^ Maybe they're one of the noble families.

    And one last opinion- I wonder what the Spirit King will be like? I'd like to have Ichigo meethim perhaps...

    and I hope he's hot.

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    JadeRent13

    [94]Oct 7, 2007
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    I've been complaining a lot about how powerful Orihime is, but now I've got maybe a little theory about it. In the manga thread we were talking about how the Hueco Mundo arc mirrors the Soul Society arc, so I'm thinking that maybe Orihime will lose her powers like Ishida did. That way, sure she's super powerful that it rivals god, but then it's taken away. hahah! That would make me happy. Well I don't want her to feel useless, but that would probably bug me less.
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    AiTsuru

    [95]Oct 7, 2007
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    I wonder how she coul lose her powers though...Like Hachin told, orihime can restore her powers, everything depends on her emotions and the strength of resolve - which she lacks, honestly.
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    JadeRent13

    [96]Oct 8, 2007
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    I was just thinking with the way the manga was going, she'd use up all her powers having to bring her friends back from death. I don't really think that'll happen, I'm just saying.
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    jjrbraves

    [97]Oct 8, 2007
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    I know,it's most likely wrong, but I was thinking that Orihime might be the Kings daughter or something. Also I forgot if they every talked about her parents, sorry. But it's just a thought that came to me.
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    AiTsuru

    [98]Oct 8, 2007
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    Well, SORA, Orihime's brother told that they both ran away from their parents coz the parents beat them or were drinking...sth like that...so i don't really think so.
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    Fishbulb13

    [99]Oct 9, 2007
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    Well, they could be adopted.
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    si_j_s

    [100]Oct 9, 2007
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    I think Isshin chose to leave SS and had Uruhara gave him a gigai that suppress reiatsu. Like Uruhara, he doesn't always agree with SS ways and he cannot serve under it anymore. SS has a tendency to be over confident and won't listen to other suggestions. They ordered the execution of Bountos and Quincys because they might challenge SS someday. Same reason for destroying the modified souls. SS would not admit that they had mistakes and still requires total obedience from the shinigamis and others that serve it. There are other shinigamis who simply retired, abandoned, exiled for having a different beliefs like the former captain who made the bountos. So, I think it's the same for Isshin.

    As for Zaraki's zanpaktu, I also have a theory. Although Zaraki is known to be a killer, he doesn't kill anyone who has a strong enough reiatsu or beliefs. He didn't kill a former 13th squad shinigami (bounto arc) because Zaraki thinks he was misguided and could atone for it. He always wears his reiatsu supressing eye patch to prevent himself from killing needlessly. Despite this act of kindness, Zaraki is selfish, only thinking of himself first and fighting because of the fun of it. he doesn't fight to defend. He only fights for himself. That's why his Zanpaktu's was crying when he was fighting with Ichigo. If Zaraki learns to fight for others, his Zanpaktu will reveal itself. Besides, Zaraki has an enormous amount of reiatsu. He never rellied upon his Zanpaktu. Unless he is in an impossible situation and is about to lose to someone, we may never see his Zanpaktu's shikai or bankai.

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