Season 7 Episode 13


Aired Sunday 8:00 PM Jan 30, 2005 on The WB
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Leo discovers that the Charmed Ones' conflict-free world comes with a higher price than anticipated, so he must join Zankou to stop the Avatars and reverse the change.

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  • Urgh.

    I want to like this episode but it had so much bullcrap in it.

    Firstly, I believe Leo being skeptical. He knew they were creating utopia and no demons but perhaps he didn't see this lack of free will and mind control, especially of those he loves.

    SERIOUSLY at Brody... I mean god just effing hell. His death was completely justified. He was a homicidal maniac who was willing to hurt Paige and Phoebe to kill an avatar (only they don't remember that). He found out the truth and didn't seem to change AT ALL he was still convinced they're horribly evil. He basically summons an avatar just to kill her.. No real reason, not like Beta had done anything wrong either. AND HE BECOMES A WHITELIGHTER. I feel like that's a joke to everyone else that wanted to be one. But the elders hated the avatars so they probably made him a whitelighter just because, not that he'd actually done any good (um hello, sheridan?).moreless
  • I some how felt that these two episodes were like one big episode. Both Extreme Makeover, World Edition and Chaarmageddon.


    Both were wonderful, but a little predictable, Bad guys not really the bad guys but the good guys, then the bad guys that turned into the good guys really were the bad guys. The girls hate them at first then they trust them, then they dont trust them.

    It was a good story line, but I knew what was going to happen way before it happen.

    Rose does it to me everytime, She did it when Richard took his power stipping position and she did it when Kyle died. Her voice gets really soft and sad and I can hear the tears in her voice. I just cry like a two year old. She is such a wonderful actress..

    Like the demons and men on the show (other then Leo) Knowing that most of them do not last long I try not to get too attached, but of course I always do. Oh how I wanted Kyle to last longer on the show. How did Piper say it? 'they are blessed as witches but cursed as woman". That is so right..

    In EMWE how funny was it to see the sisters paranoid? Piper asking if Leo was seeing someone else, Paige saying "Im not? Then, who am I? after Piper said she wasnt herself.. And Pheobe just generally freaking out. It was commical.

    Of the two charmageddon was by far my favorite. Mostly because of Pheobe's premonition, Seeing Andy and their grandmother and Cole ( Oh My God Cole!) and Big Chris even if it was to see them die, It was just so awsome. Sady like always all we got to see of Prue was her tomb stone. I doubt that will ever change. One can only hope.

    Leo said it the best, before he vanished, "it suppose to hurt" What we think as perfect my not be perfect. Good has to have bad, How would we know one from the other with out both.?

    My Bits and Pieces.

    Is Holly feeling fat? she had a over sized coat on in Charmageddon and in Emwe. a very ulgy sports coat and it looked like she kept putting her purse in front of herself..

    What was it with that snow globe? They must have picked it up about five times and made it a focal point at least twice.

    Paige seemed more upset that Kyle was dead then Piper did about Leo. That could have just been me.

    How old is Wyatt now? How come he doesnt have any lines let?

    Was Kyle really a Whitelighter or maybe an Elder.

    Is Leo still an Avater?

  • Charmageddon

    Charmageddon was a perfectly entertaining episode of Charmed and I really enjoyed watching because there was a lot of great character and plot development. It was interesting to see the new world and to learn of the true price for it's maintenance. I was happy to see Leo step up and really be a man above all other things. There was lots of action, drama and intrigue as the story unfolded. I liked how it all played out and look forward to watching what happens next!!!!!!!!!moreless
  • Bye, Bye Happy World

    Charmageddon-Leo discovers that the Charmed Ones' conflict-free world comes with a higher price than anticipated, so he must join Zankou to stop the Avatars and reverse the change.

    Well, the Avatar arc ends in this solid episode where the sisters and Leo see the error of their ways and join forces with Zankou to stop them. I have to admit, this Avatar plot is probably the most complex storyline the writers have done in years. Reminiscent of Alan Moore's "Watchmen" and the Jasmine arc on "Angel", The Avatars are anti-villains when you think about it. They have changed the world and create a universally perfect world yet it's at a great cost. Humans no longer have free and the few who still have the ability to create conflict are removed, essentially dead. Now Leo and the sisters are left with a huge decision: do they continue to leave in this new peaceful world they helped to create, despite the few playing the price with their lives or do they sacrifice a chance at a normal life by returning the world to what it once was? It's a puzzling, thought-provoking dilemma and one (for once!) that is written with care by the writers and taken seriously. Leo is the first to sacrifice himself and the casual way that everyone just almost brushes it off is appropriately off putting. What I love also about the flaws in the Avatars' Utopia design, people don't seem feel pain, grief or any real emotion. I love how the writers make it important that feeling pain and loss is just as important as feeling the pleasure and the joy, it makes us human, knowing the difference between both and experiencing them. I love the moment where Phoebe touches the book and has a premonition of all the losses she's seen over the years from Andy to Prue to even the first time she vanquished Cole when he was the Source. Then there's the moment where the boys are crying over Leo's death and Phoebe has to force Piper to feel their pain as well. It's amazing how much emotion Holly can work up in just a few seconds, I was completely convinced when Piper suddenly realized she really lost Leo and effects of Utopia broke from her. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for Paige. Probably the only weak moment of the episode is when Paige finally breaks down over Kyle's death. Seriously, Rose is so inconsistent with her acting! Last episode, she had a great moment where Paige went off on the Avatars just after Kyle got killed, yet in this episode, she can barely cry without making me cringe! O_0

    Anyway, Oded Fehr continues to make Zankou a likable villain as he continues to manipulate those around. I love the confrontation between the sisters and Zankou, especially after knocking him back as they walked forward ready tonegotiate a plan. Their little team up with the Avatars was pretty cool, especially seeing Piper and Zankou sending a couple of them flying away with no problem. It's too bad we couldn't get greater battle to rap things up with the Avatars, but hey, this is Charmed and I'll give the writers a break for at least giving up a great episode for once! Though, I am glad the Avatars weren't just killed off and forgotten, they actually were noble beings and went off peacefully, knowing that the world wasn't ready for them yet. It leaves the door open for them to return as surprisingly Kyle, as we see in one of the final scenes that he was made into a whitelighter. It's actually an nice end to his character and a touchingfarewell betweenKyle and Paige. Now with the Avatars out of the way, the sisters now have Zankou to worry about, which should be an interesting match. All and All, "Charmageddon" is a great episode to end off the Avatar arc.moreless
  • The Avatars and Agent Brody come to an end, fortunately.

    As it turns out, the entire Avatars storyline ends up being a morality play and exploration of the value of free will. Evidently, according to the writers, humans value the option of being evil more than a world without evil. So, the Avatars are bad. Well, actually they aren't, but their utopia involves a myriad of contradictions. Normal human behavior has been altered enough to leave everyone joyful and helpful but not enough to stop people from arguing and creating conflict once in a while. Even though he had been ardently convinced in prior episodes, the suddenly skeptical Leo quickly discovers that the Avatars are erasing people who create chaos. If you consider the number of lives saved with the removal of crime and war, the Avatars having to erase a troublemaker here and there would hardly seem to be a great evil, but regardless, no one wants to live in a world without free will, understandably. So, Leo teams with Zankou and gets himself killed so that Phoebe can somehow get the other sisters to see the light. Having done so, the sisters themselves join with Zankou to stop the Avatars, which in the end amounts to something as anticlimactic as talking the Avatars out of it. They turn everything back to normal, including Leo, except for Brody, who was killed before the transformation and therefore will remain dead.

    The bad: Besides the aforementioned contradictions, Leo goes from devout Avatar to skeptic without any great reason.

    Leo uses the death of Brody to convince Phoebe like it somehow exposes the evil of the Avatars. Except the Avatar was only defending herself from the homicidal attack of Brody. Brody's death was actually fully justified.

    On that same note, several characters state that Brody was right all along about the Avatars. Actually, no, he wasn't. Brody was a revenge-twisted maniac who swore the Avatars were a great evil and was hell-bent on killing them. That is all wrong. The Avatars are not evil. They are neutral. Their utopia is just not desirable. And contrary to the writers treating Brody like a hero, there doesn't seem to be any justification for his murder of the Avatar. As an Avatar, Leo would have seen for himself the Avatars erasing people to maintain their utopia. So, he would have faced the same dilemma and needed to snap the sisters out of it just like he did after Brody's actions. And the Avatars showed they could simply be talked out of it rather than any violence being used against them.

    Speaking of which, the Avatars refused to kill an innocent, namely Brody, up until then, and yet they have no problem erasing people from their utopia? Contradiction. What was up with the "they have gone to a better place" bit? Avatar brainwashing? Sure, but it also seemed to be cynical dig at religion.

    Agent Brody being a whitelighter? Sure. Let's award the guy for being delusional and homicidal. Sounds like a good whitelighter.

    the positive: Leo sacrificing himself to break the spell on the sisters.

    Zankou. Guy is great. Best demon ever. The death of Brody. Thank God we got relieved of the most non-sensical Charmed character ever. Apparently it meant nothing to the writers that the guy tried to kill Leo twice. Paige didn't care, still slept with him afterwards. Piper and Phoebe barely cared, and Leo himself was nearly oblivious. In fact, even after his attempts on Leo's life, Brody remained more hostile towards Leo than Leo and everyone else did towards him. Brody was proven to be wrong all along about the Avatars killing his parents, which was his original reasoning for wanting them dead, and again, his violence towards Leo and the Avatar he killed is never justified. And of course, not only is Brody's character beyond irritating, but as is usual for her whenever she has a boyfriend, Paige became extremely annoying as well, once again immediately siding with her boyfriend against her sisters.moreless
Max Perlich

Max Perlich


Guest Star

Jeremy Kent Jackson

Jeremy Kent Jackson


Guest Star

Tom Virtue

Tom Virtue

Angry Man

Guest Star

Oded Fehr

Oded Fehr


Recurring Role

Kerr Smith

Kerr Smith

Agent Kyle Brody

Recurring Role

Joel Swetow

Joel Swetow

Avatar Alpha

Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (11)

    • TRIVIA: At one point, the demon Zankou (played by Oded Fehr) shows Leo a wall with pictures of ancient Egyptians and the jackal-headed Anubis, reminding fans of Oded's role as Ardeth Bey in the films The Mummy and The Mummy Returns.

    • TRIVIA: The snow globe in Kyle's apartment features the World Trade Center in New York.

    • TRIVIA: The song used for the opening credits is "This Is Your Life" by Switchfoot.

    • TRIVIA: This episode marks the final appearance of Kerr Smith as Agent Kyle Brody.

    • TRIVIA: When Phoebe touches the book she sees Andy dying from the season 1 episode Deja Vu All Over Again, Grams dying from the season 3 episode Pre-Witched, Miles lying dead on the ground in the season 5 episode A Witch in Time, Piper dying in the season 3 episode All Hell Breaks Loose, Prue's funeral in the season 4 episode Charmed Again (1), Chris fading away in the season 6 episode It's A Bad, Bad, Bad World, and Cole (as the Source) being vanquished in the season 4 episode Long Live the Queen.

    • TRIVIA: In this episode the Avatars are finally defeated when the Charmed Ones team up with Zankou. They then force the Avatars to reverse time to when the spell began, breaking it and bringing back everyone except for Kyle who'd been killed. The Avatars used all of their remaining power to do this and will be unable to try again ever again.

    • TRIVIA: Kyle reveals to Paige at the end of the episode that the Elders made him a Whitelighter after he died.

    • The demon played by Max Perlich, Laygan, spent a few episodes "exploding" from place to place like a Celerity Demon, and now he's shimmering.

    • The opening shot shows cars seamlessly taking turns going through an intersection (as if lights are no longer necessary), and then soon afterwards, a man is being given a ticket for running a red light.

    • Phoebe pours an entire bowl full of quiche ingredients into a pie crust, and then seconds later picks up the suddenly empty pie crust and puts it in the oven.

    • At the scene in the kitchen where Piper and Phoebe are cooking, Piper had a bowl of chocolate chips on her left hand side at the beginning (when looking from the top), but then the chocolate chip bowl mysteriously appears on her right hand side when she comes to hand them in. In the next shot the chocolate chip bowl is still on her left hand side.

  • QUOTES (13)

    • Piper: So, wait. You remember everything even though you technically died. But then you didn't because time rewound, so... am I making any sense?

    • Piper: You have a greater reason for wanting to do that than we do: survival.
      Zankou: True. But then again, you obviously want it too. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, now, would we?

    • Phoebe: What's the matter Zankou… chicken?

    • Kyle: I understand now that my life was supposed to end the way that it did, how it did. It was my destiny. Just like it was our destiny to meet. To fall for each other...
      Paige: To lose each other?
      Kyle: Who says we're not going to meet again?

    • Avatar Alpha (to the Charmed Ones): I'm sorry this didn't work out. For your sakes as well as ours.
      Zankou: Touching. I'm gonna miss you guys.

    • Leo: Let's make something clear. If we succeed, we'll still be enemies. And I can make you a promise - it will only be a matter of time before good defeats evil.
      Zankou: Oh, we'll have to see about that, won't we? Now, if we're finished with the macho posturing, let's get to work.

    • Zankou: Welcome back, partner.
      Leo: We're not partners.
      Zankou: Oh no? Then what are you doing here?
      Leo: I'm still not so sure.
      Zankou: Ah, yes you are. You may not want to be sure but that doesn't change the fact that everything I told you about your precious Avatars is true. And now you want to stop them just as much as I do.
      Leo: I'm not so eager to bring demons back into the world.
      Zankou: Ah, but there's the rub. Which world is worse? Which is the greater Evil? Mine or theirs?
      Leo: Well, I know taking destiny out of people's hands is not right, no matter what.
      Zankou: I couldn't agree more.

    • Laygan: We'd rather die than leave our trust in the hands of an Elder.
      Zankou: Then we will surely die.

    • Leo: Brody was crazy.
      Zankou: Brody was right. You know deep down that there is something very wrong with this world, Leo. Something you never foresaw in your own myopic zeal to try and make it all better. People have no free will anymore.

    • Phoebe: At least with good and evil, people knew what they were dying for.

    • Piper (to Leo): I never wanna lose you again.

    • Elise (to Phoebe): It's like, people have been taking happy pills.

    • Paige: Hiya! (Piper and Leo just look at her). Alright then, well I'm going to go, mingle.

  • NOTES (3)


    • Phoebe: What's the matter, Zankou? Chicken?

      This is a reference to the chain of restaurants "Zankou Chicken", from which the name for the character Zankou was borrowed. Also, this quote comes from the movie Spaceballs, where Dark Helmet says to Colonel Sandurz "What's the matter, Colonel Sandurz? Chicken?".

    • Piper and Phoebe each say that they prefer their old world over the Avatar's world, "warts and all."

      This is a reference to the common stereotypical witch image, as an ugly woman with warts, showing that they are accepting their old life back, even with all the bad things that go along with it.

    • Title: Charmageddon

      This is a reference to the 1998 film "Armageddon", starring Bruce Willis & Ben Affleck. It is also a reference to the bible - Armageddon is the final battle between good and evil, prophesized to occur at the end of the world.