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| halsie wrote: |
| The AVATARS! hands down, definitely.. |
| NJZ wrote: |
| Why the avatars? I get how you might not like them but how were they a plot hole? |
I was gonna ask too...although the whole asking Cole to join them, then getting Leo to join them, then being all utopia-happy, then killing people who affected this confused me a bit...
| th77 wrote: |
| They were bad, they were bad, they were good, wait now bad and then the whole ending was......... I'm not saying that it was completely unresolved but moreso than most stories.. Except of course why every one except Prue got to visit from the afterlife.. |
The Cleaners. Where the hell were they when Prue died?!
Also, the entire "Witchstock" episode! Penny Halliwell, anyone? The episode was clearly written to have Patty in that role, but because she was unavaliable, they decided to force it on Penny. Instead of changing the character, they should've changed the time period (to the 50's), where it had a chance of making sense.
| JIH1984x wrote: |
| The Avatars were a huge hole because of the thing with Cole. There purpose was not completely clear there, and then they went from wanting a demon to wanting a confused whitelighter. There was a lot of explanation about them, but they needed to be tied together. |
| th77 wrote: |
| They were bad, they were bad, they were good, wait now bad and then the whole ending was......... I'm not saying that it was completely unresolved but moreso than most stories.. Except of course why every one except Prue got to visit from the afterlife.. |
| NJZ wrote: |
| The Charmed Ones. And since they were the most powerful witches at the time (bar Wyatt - which btw, is something I'd consider a plothole) |
I couldn't agree more with you!
I think godlike powerful Wyatt was just created as a little male ego boosting for Kern. (Is it really just a coincidence that as soon as a guy takes over the show, as opposed to the woman, Constance Burge, who created it, that suddenly the most powerful magic to ever exist are no longer three women, which was part of the original premise of the show, but one boy? I think not.)
| Princess_Pinky wrote: | ||
I couldn't agree more with you! I think godlike powerful Wyatt was just created as a little male ego boosting for Kern. (Is it really just a coincidence that as soon as a guy takes over the show, as opposed to the woman, Constance Burge, who created it, that suddenly the most powerful magic to ever exist are no longer three women, which was part of the original premise of the show, but one boy? I think not.) |
| electricpeppers wrote: | ||
When were they ever bad? They were always powerful, but never bad from what I recall. The Avatar dude warned Cole about changing reality, he never advocated it. Dawson's Creek guy was crazier than the Avatars were. |
hello again now to address all that has been spoken about as best i can
the avatars being a plot hmm well my impression is that they are as old as the elders and somewhat opposite to them they needed a new "threat" the avatars were appointed for that .
2) the thing about the avatars wanting cole (ugh) and then leo is simple to explain in fact it is integral to their concept both leo and cole shared one thing they were exteremly powerful and the avatars are the avatars of power and force essentially neutral as they said at the time truly beyond good and evil.
3) the prue not being able to return is as said due to the fact that shannen cut ties with the show .
4) as for the summoning the dead becoming easier it has to do with two things in my eyes a) they were more experienced (a show reason) b) the sisters needed spirit advisers to help them through some very tough times (i think this had to do with the proudcers and ppl like us who liked penny and patty alot i know i did)
5) the thing about their powers wether they are time space or phases of the moon but if i am reading that post correctly the sisters power are time (in piper's case power one) space (paige and prue physically being able to move things with in normal space) as for phases of the moon beyon once in a blue moon the lunar effect was pretty minimal beyond the normal things that are influcenced by that
6) the british guy who wanted paige well duh a lame attempt at drama in paige's already rushed relationship.
7) witchstock why it was brought up is beyond me but from what i read in that i would say it shows they were adaptable because sometimes you have to do what is second best if you can't get your number one
getting back to the avatars for a second i agree avatar alpha did warn cole that his changing relaity for his obsession would have dire consequences before getting off this hopefully once and for all there was one plot hole with the avatars but i understand it somewhat the avatars never told the charmed ones they recruited cole which would have doomed them to failure dure to phoebe never ever going along with them due to her emotional baggage about cole
9) now to wyatt he is simple to explain in humans magicals ect ect ect every so many generation you get very lucky and have something called genetic reincarnation which in this case means if you looked at some of the other episodes melinda warren the one who began the charmed line has all three powers just like wyatt seemed to demo on a few occasions but his father's blood line made him able to orb as well
sincerely,
silverfoxy
i didn't think of that but since it was BEFORE the knowlege of the potion we can't really speak to that too much can we?
sincerely,
silverfoxy
| silverfoxy8472 wrote: |
| 3) the prue not being able to return is as said due to the fact that shannen cut ties with the show . |
In real life, yes, we know that Shannen wouldn't come back, but on the show, The Cleaners are a plothole nonetheless. They should've never invented The Cleaners in season five with the backstory of, "We were created to clean up magical exposure," when that clearly doesn't fit with the exposure that caused Piper to get killed, forcing Phoebe to make a deal with evil to save Piper, only to lose Prue. If someone on the writing team had been thinking, they would've realized it makes no sense.
| silverfoxy8472 wrote: |
| 7) witchstock why it was brought up is beyond me but from what i read in that i would say it shows they were adaptable because sometimes you have to do what is second best if you can't get your number one |
"Witchstock" was done in 1967. I'm sorry, but nobody naturally changes in appearance the way Penny supposedly did between "Witchstock" and "That 70's Episode," which was in 1975, only eight years later! (And of course they go and change Penny's husband's name from Jack, like it was listed on the family tree, to Allen.)
Also, why would Phoebe and Piper forget that their powers don't work before they're born? And speaking of, why can they cast spells in the past? They're powers don't exist until they exist. Again, plothole after plothole in that episode.
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