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    TC_88

    [41]Jul 26, 2006
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    First time i've seen max curse. Interesting.
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    Skin has always been in the show. And it had always been since the unneccesary SHANNEN shower scenes in Fear to Eternity and the Dream Soccerer. And also the towel droping scene in the second episode. Also her slutty way of dressing.

    The shower scene and the bath scene in From Fear to Eternity and Dream Sorceror were both neccessary to the storyline. Compare that to Phoebe's mummy dance in Y tu Mummy Tambien or her lapdance in Importance of Being Phoebe. And Prue, Piper and Phoebe never dressed like sluts in the early seasons, the wacky, OTT outfits only began in season five.

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    If you mean by exposing them in outfits...then you're only talking about ur hatred of Alyssa...because she's the only that stoops that low. Rose doesnt do it, Neither does Holly.

    Firstly, I don't hate Alyssa, as I think she seems kinda intelligent and headstrong, I just don't like her career choices, her mission to shut down any non-official fansite, her over-reliance on her mother and the constant men in her life. And both Phoebe and Paige dressed like whores in the later seasons, I have never only said Phoebe does, unless I'm involved in a discussion about her character. Piper was always the less-skanky of the sisters and never dressed in the type of outfits her sisters did.

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    All these just make it seem that it was Shannen that had a problem. She cldnt just come to work and not let her personal feelings affect the job that she's doing. the job that millions of fans adore her for. The job that makes even the ppl that hate her personality say, "give my girl her props, she good!' She left 90201, she got herself fired from Charmed. It is very disgraceful and how u guys still stand up for her...i dunno!

    She was the oldest cast member and had already gone through all the diva s*** on the set of 90210. She has power in Hollywood and wasn't gonna let things like fights on set and as***le producers get her down. She was open with her feelings and wanted to leave the show anyway. She wasn't "disgraceful". "Disgraceful" would be a word to describe her if she stormed off the set and ran to the media, telling everybody what really happened in return for a ton of cash. She did none of that and she handled her (un-ethical) firing in a mature, sensible manor.

    i wont go into the 90201 story because i'm not has conversant with the stories as i am with charmed.

    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again.

    The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body.

    Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.
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    maxpower03

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    TC_88 wrote:
    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again. The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body. Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.

    The lapdance/mummy dance scenes were overtly sexual, with Phoebe placed in situations where characters were supposed to get sexual satisfaction out of seeing her do what she was doing. Comparing those to a woman having a shower or a woman in a bathtub, where the main point is to get clean, not sexually arouse somebody, is something I don't think really works.

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    TC_88 wrote:
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    TC_88 wrote:
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    me_charmed_1 wrote:
    maxpower03 wrote:

    There are three rumors to why he was killed off...
    a) He demanded more screentime and the writers didn't listen, so he quit.
    b) The writers ran out of storylines for him, so killed him.
    c) He and Shannen didn't get along so she had him fired.

    i've heard of solution A, and C could be true aswell



    I thought Shannen only had problems with the females she worked with and the only male she had a problem with was Brad Kern
    There is no solid proof that she had problems with Brad.


    I don't think the fans need proof to know that. Its kinda obvious that Shannen didn't just have a problem with Alyssa but others too, could be Brad. Also, isn't he the one who called her to tell her she was fired? If so, understandably she would have a problem with him.
    Are you even listening to yourself. Very soon you'd be telling me that the world isnt round and you dont need proof for it. Come on!

    She had a problem with Alyssa and everyone knew that. In every article, in every interview, she makes mention of her problems with Alyssa. But she never ever mentions Brad. I get how she might not wanna mention Aaron because she'd be thinking, 'ooh he might get me another job in the future' ...but what does she owe Brad. She'd diss him anyday anywhere if he gave her a hard time.

    And the fact that he Might ...MIGHT have been the one that called her to tell her she was fired dont mean nothing. For all we know, he cld have been very sympathetic on the phone...even if he was just faking it.


    Shannen would never diss Brad in public. That would just be insane. She knows that would just make her come across as even more b*tchy than people already think she is. It would make even more showrunners think twice when thinking of hiring her. Shannen is not that stupid.

    She doesn't always mention Alyssa in interviews, its sometimes just implied that she's talking about Alyssa as we all know she never had a problem with Holly Marie. Alyssa was not the only reason Shannen was fired; like Maxpower said, she supposedly had problems with "somebody important on the set" which implies it was Brad. Thats what I meant by not needing proof even though most of it is speculation. Do you have solid proof that Constance left because she felt like none of her ideas were taken seriously? probably not but we all still believe that there is some truth to it.

    Not all people are stupid, they are able to use what they know or have heard and put two and two together and sometimes the conclusion isn't insane or wacky but is actually quite plausible. All the great philosophers etc... have done it. Newton and Einstein even. They take a theory and test it to see if its true. My theory is that Shannen did have a problem with Brad but unfortunately i have no means to test it.

    Oh, and comparing Shannen/Brad to the world not being round; I'll just ignore that comment rather than get into a pointless arguement with you.

    - Shannen wld never diss Brad...because of other showrunners blahdiblah. Then how come it was so easy for Holly and Rose to diss WB or CW ...because ooh some far away time in the future the network might decide to pick up their show. i mean seriously what wld future showrunners have against her if they know she can act incredibly. Every showrunner is interested in getting his show on air and for it to be successful and if it means bring an impossible person on set, then hell yeh! They always always believe they can work things out with those binding contracts and lawyers.

    - Constance just like Lori had personal reasons for leaving. They was no trouble in S2. Why did she deciding to only become merely story consultant. The problems was mainly in S3 and ended there. Why did she carry on unto S4? And looking back on her work, i'm glad if they didnt take any of her ideas for S4.

    - i'm glad u said yu had no means to test it. you cant compare this to what those philosophers established. they were working at it with known fact and thier conclusion is very plausible and reasonable. If yu can still get ppl contradicting what u're sayin then its not even close to credible.

    - Like i've said millions of times, there's no evidence that she had problem with Brad like there are so many evidence that she had problems with Alyssa.

    - not trying to be rude or anything but what is pointless wld be us continuing this argument 'cause for starters it the wrong thread and i totally hate arguing with ppl who wld prefer tabloid gossips to enhance their alreay wild imagination.


    -Holly and Rose could diss the WB/CW because Charmed was basically over, they didn't care if it was picked up by another network. Besides what could the CW have done anyway, fire them from Charmed? They wouldn't give a damn. Holly enjoys being a full-time mum and Rose is going places with her movie career.

    - I din't know that about Constance so I'm sorry for mixing fact with opinion.

    - I guess so, but i was just trying to prove my earlier point.

    - There may be no evidence, but like I've said millions of times, as have many others, it is IMPLIED that she also had a problem with Brad although there is no proof.

    - It is the wrong thread, you're right about that. But I am not a person who prefers tabloid gossip to enhance my supposedly 'wild' imagination. You don't know me so you can't say that. Just because I don't have/know all the facts doesn't mean that I do prefer gossip. I would actually like to know the full story about Shannen's departure but thats not likely to happen seeing as no-one really knows it themselves. And its sometimes hard to separate the facts from the opinions of people with this particular story.
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    maxpower03 wrote:

    TC_88 wrote:
    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again. The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body. Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.

    The lapdance/mummy dance scenes were overtly sexual, with Phoebe placed in situations where characters were supposed to get sexual satisfaction out of seeing her do what she was doing. Comparing those to a woman having a shower or a woman in a bathtub, where the main point is to get clean, not sexually arouse somebody, is something I don't think really works.

    Then we gotta criticize Charmed for all those kissing scenes that lasted over 3 seconds because their purpose...just like a dance...no matter how sensual, wld be to stimulate erectile tissues which in your own words wld be classified as arousing.
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    TC_88 wrote:
    maxpower03 wrote:

    TC_88 wrote:
    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again. The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body. Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.

    The lapdance/mummy dance scenes were overtly sexual, with Phoebe placed in situations where characters were supposed to get sexual satisfaction out of seeing her do what she was doing. Comparing those to a woman having a shower or a woman in a bathtub, where the main point is to get clean, not sexually arouse somebody, is something I don't think really works.

    Then we gotta criticize Charmed for all those kissing scenes that lasted over 3 seconds because their purpose...just like a dance...no matter how sensual, wld be to stimulate erectile tissues which in your own words wld be classified as arousing.


    And you have to consider that all those long-kissing scenes involved (almost every time) Alyssa and Julian, or Alyssa with any boy-of-the-week Phoebe was seing at the time.
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    TC_88 wrote:
    Then we gotta criticize Charmed for all those kissing scenes that lasted over 3 seconds because their purpose...just like a dance...no matter how sensual, wld be to stimulate erectile tissues which in your own words wld be classified as arousing.

    But nobody's turned on by watching two people kiss, whereas somebody doing some embarassing mummy dance in a skimpy outfit (on the show) was supposed to get Jeric all horny, whilst (to the audience) was supposed to attract more horny viewers.

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    TC_88 wrote:
    maxpower03 wrote:

    TC_88 wrote:
    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again. The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body. Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.

    The lapdance/mummy dance scenes were overtly sexual, with Phoebe placed in situations where characters were supposed to get sexual satisfaction out of seeing her do what she was doing. Comparing those to a woman having a shower or a woman in a bathtub, where the main point is to get clean, not sexually arouse somebody, is something I don't think really works.

    Then we gotta criticize Charmed for all those kissing scenes that lasted over 3 seconds because their purpose...just like a dance...no matter how sensual, wld be to stimulate erectile tissues which in your own words wld be classified as arousing.
     Ewww! That's disgusting! And no that is not the point of kissing. Maybe sometimes, but not usually. The point is, well, to kiss. To show affection.
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    Nacha255 wrote:
    TC_88 wrote:
    maxpower03 wrote:

    TC_88 wrote:
    The lapdance however was neccessary to show to what extent cole was ready to go to feel as if he was with phoebe again. The mummy dance was just Isis testing her new body. Feeling the vibe from the previous spirit. And feeling happy and contented with the body. Sorry but if u call those neccessary...u gotta call mine neccasarily as well.

    The lapdance/mummy dance scenes were overtly sexual, with Phoebe placed in situations where characters were supposed to get sexual satisfaction out of seeing her do what she was doing. Comparing those to a woman having a shower or a woman in a bathtub, where the main point is to get clean, not sexually arouse somebody, is something I don't think really works.

    Then we gotta criticize Charmed for all those kissing scenes that lasted over 3 seconds because their purpose...just like a dance...no matter how sensual, wld be to stimulate erectile tissues which in your own words wld be classified as arousing.
     Ewww! That's disgusting! And no that is not the point of kissing. Maybe sometimes, but not usually. The point is, well, to kiss. To show affection.
    lol. Disgusting or not its true.

    And actually NO! Kissing is in most cases related to sex. More so than an embarassing dance...as much as we all wldnt love to admit it



    (but if u ask me, i thought it looked hot)
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    So, back to Andy.

    I always thought he was a good character but a lot of people didn't like him. Why?
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    NJZ wrote:
    So, back to Andy.

    I always thought he was a good character but a lot of people didn't like him. Why?


    Good idea. I don't know. I liked Andy, he was really funny and sarcastic. I preferred him to Darryl but then in the later seasons we got to know Darryl more. The only thing I didn't like about him was when he yelled at Prue for doing the truth spell - not because he shouldn't have, because he had a right to be mad, but because he says it in a very strange monotone voice.
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    hainesg324 wrote:
    NJZ wrote:
    So, back to Andy.

    I always thought he was a good character but a lot of people didn't like him. Why?


    Good idea. I don't know. I liked Andy, he was really funny and sarcastic. I preferred him to Darryl but then in the later seasons we got to know Darryl more. The only thing I didn't like about him was when he yelled at Prue for doing the truth spell - not because he shouldn't have, because he had a right to be mad, but because he says it in a very strange monotone voice.


    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.
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    NJZ wrote:
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.

    It's weird Prue wouldn't know that. I mean hadn't they been close friends and also, excuse the term, lovebirds?

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    buffyjl wrote:

    NJZ wrote:
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.

    It's weird Prue wouldn't know that. I mean hadn't they been close friends and also, excuse the term, lovebirds?



    Didn't Andy say that they hadn't seen each other for about 7 years though or something like that? When they saw each other in the first episode, it had been years since they last met. After that, they continued their relationship and Andy didn't tell her that he had been married. Thats what I remember.
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    His wife was Susan Trudeau right? I think it was Susan, I'm not sure.
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    NJZ wrote:
    hainesg324 wrote:
    NJZ wrote:
    So, back to Andy. I always thought he was a good character but a lot of people didn't like him. Why?
    Good idea. I don't know. I liked Andy, he was really funny and sarcastic. I preferred him to Darryl but then in the later seasons we got to know Darryl more. The only thing I didn't like about him was when he yelled at Prue for doing the truth spell - not because he shouldn't have, because he had a right to be mad, but because he says it in a very strange monotone voice.
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.
    EX!!! There is a HUGE difference between a wife and an ex-wife!!! Nate had a wife. He was a humongo, immoral jerk. Andy just had an ex-wife. That is something COMPLETELY different, morally and legally.
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    Nacha255 wrote:
    NJZ wrote:
    hainesg324 wrote:
    NJZ wrote:
    So, back to Andy. I always thought he was a good character but a lot of people didn't like him. Why?
    Good idea. I don't know. I liked Andy, he was really funny and sarcastic. I preferred him to Darryl but then in the later seasons we got to know Darryl more. The only thing I didn't like about him was when he yelled at Prue for doing the truth spell - not because he shouldn't have, because he had a right to be mad, but because he says it in a very strange monotone voice.
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.
    EX!!! There is a HUGE difference between a wife and an ex-wife!!! Nate had a wife. He was a humongo, immoral jerk. Andy just had an ex-wife. That is something COMPLETELY different, morally and legally.


    Yeah, Nate was a jerk but I don't think Andy was. But I would have expected him to tell Prue even if it was his ex-wife. He met with his ex at Quake(where Piper worked, did he not think that Prue would somehow find out?). I didn't really not like Andy, that was just the point where I didn't like him as much as usual. It was funny when Prue TK'd the food cart and he tripped over it.
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    buffyjl wrote:

    NJZ wrote:
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.

    It's weird Prue wouldn't know that. I mean hadn't they been close friends and also, excuse the term, lovebirds?

    well, leo didn't tell piper that he was married before he died--so basically he didn't tell her about his ex-wife either. dan had to tell her about it. anyway, andy really loves and cares about prue. he if he loves his wife as much as leo loves piper i am pretty sure they would get back together no matter what. but the thing is he loves prue that he would get back to her and would care about her. sure he doesn't wanna marry prue because he doesn't wanna come a house where he has to watch his back too but he always cares and he would always love prue. so, does anybody know the real reason why they have to kill andy? i personally don't know. that's why i'm asking.

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    venusdemilo143 wrote:
    buffyjl wrote:

    NJZ wrote:
    What I didn't like was that he had a wife but he didn't tell Prue.

    It's weird Prue wouldn't know that. I mean hadn't they been close friends and also, excuse the term, lovebirds?

    well, leo didn't tell piper that he was married before he died--so basically he didn't tell her about his ex-wife either. dan had to tell her about it. anyway, andy really loves and cares about prue. he if he loves his wife as much as leo loves piper i am pretty sure they would get back together no matter what. but the thing is he loves prue that he would get back to her and would care about her. sure he doesn't wanna marry prue because he doesn't wanna come a house where he has to watch his back too but he always cares and he would always love prue. so, does anybody know the real reason why they have to kill andy? i personally don't know. that's why i'm asking.


    i have no clue, but ted king is playing alcazar on general hospital right now.
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    You know it is kinda like prue said... Andy didn't tell her about his ex-wife *susan* but she had a secret also she didn't tell him.... In life even if it is someone close to you if you are not there for all the ins and outs of everday living there are aspects you don't reveal... If him and susan married and realized it was a mistake and fixed the mistake but are still friends then it is probably not something they broadcast to everyone... It isn't like when you get with a guy you tell him every person you have ever loved!?!? Same idea works here.
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    venusdemilo143 wrote:
    so, does anybody know the real reason why they have to kill andy? i personally don't know. that's why i'm asking.


    Apparently there was an argument between Ted and the makers of the show so they decided to let him go. I'm not too sure on this issue though.
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