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    doverz

    [21]Oct 11, 2007
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    phf3947 wrote:
    My favorite part of this episode was seeing Nice Section Chief Erin Strauss and how sweet she was to Hotch. She appears at least one more time this season, but I hope she becomes part of the regular cast.


    At least she's not out to get him anymore, at least for a while...
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    phf3947

    [22]Oct 11, 2007
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    One would think she learned a lot in "In Birth and Death" about what it takes to run the BAU - things she didn't know before. She grew a lot of respect for him after that, and now she's one with finding a replacement for Gideon so things can get back to "normal" again. We should send her a memo and tell her that someone has been found
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    EmiliaRomagna

    [23]Oct 11, 2007
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    CMJunkie wrote:
    phf3947 wrote:
    My favorite part of this episode was seeing Nice Section Chief Erin Strauss and how sweet she was to Hotch. She appears at least one more time this season, but I hope she becomes part of the regular cast.
    I agree.... as long as she remembers her place

    What place do you suggest? A typical women place like the kitchen or bedroom or....

    I actually liked her development too. I guess it's because for one time she has been on the field and understands a lot more about the importance of the team as it is and that their way to handle things makes it so unique and strong and successful

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    phf3947

    [24]Oct 11, 2007
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    GMTA ... Em! Her "place" is she is his boss, and you know what they say: "I might not always be right, but I will always be the boss."
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    EmiliaRomagna

    [25]Oct 11, 2007
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    ..... been there, heard that

    not only in tv shows (House, NCIS) but also in RL....

    but it seems that she will be a better boss now - at least I hope so... and a good boss will also listen to the specialists

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    danharr

    [26]Oct 11, 2007
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    This was a typical episode for me nothing spectacular like the ones that ended last season and this season's opener. I think it is a bad omen when the killer is revealed in the beginning. I really didn't get that special push from this killer not sure if the focus on life after Gideon took away from what could've been better story behind the killer. The elevator scene should've been life threatening or a full on laugh off and it was neither. Highlights of the show making Reid face the abandonment issues Gideon brought to the surface from his father and Morgan trying to get Hotch to open up.
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    michaelhanergod

    [27]Oct 11, 2007
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    This episode was really good and very intense and suspenseful and the serial killer was really one sick puppy
    This season is starting amazing i might ad:-)
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    CMJunkie

    [28]Oct 12, 2007
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    phf3947 wrote:
    GMTA ... Em! Her "place" is she is his boss, and you know what they say: "I might not always be right, but I will always be the boss."


    Her PLACE is leaving Hotch alone! *hmph*
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    EmiliaRomagna

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    It's her job not to leave him alone.

    Actually it's necessary to keep his back free towards others and sometimes she has to tell him also how politics works out there.

    We don't live in a vacuum world.... we always have to deal with "outstanders" like the media.

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    NiflerGirl27

    [30]Oct 12, 2007
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    It is official. I like Emily. I loved the scene with her and Reid.
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    kirke_novak

    [31]Oct 12, 2007
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    This episode made me really uncomfortable and anxious. I understand now why Mandy decided to leave - I definitelly wouldn't be able to star in a series that is so dark as well. I can watch "Bones" while eating breakfast but this level of psychological torture is waaaaay beyond my level of comfort. Once again, I am left with a question - how can anyone by such a monster and still consider themselves a human being.

    The scene in the elevator though... for the first time in the history of CM I laughed out loud. A million fanfics were born in that second, you know it.

    Evil Lady isn't that Evil anymore. Two thumbs up.

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    phf3947

    [32]Oct 12, 2007
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    danharr wrote:
    Highlights of the show making Reid face the abandonment issues Gideon brought to the surface from his father and Morgan trying to get Hotch to open up.

    Definitely agree with you on these points. I'd heard we might see more exposition this season about Reid's father, and that he might return to face his son, but it might've been dropped in pursuit of other stories.
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    phf3947

    [33]Oct 12, 2007
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    The unsub was played by Michael O'Keefe, who also guest-starred on Criminal Intent last night, so his fans were able to see him in two consecutive evil roles. The producers of that show didn't have to cut key dialog to add additional scenes about a character/actor leaving the show, so they were able to develop his raison d'ĂȘtre a little better.
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    Finnegan77

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    phf3947 wrote:
    The unsub was played by Michael O'Keefe, who also guest-starred on Criminal Intent last night, so his fans were able to see him in two consecutive evil roles. The producers of that show didn't have to cut key dialog to add additional scenes about a character/actor leaving the show, so they were able to develop his raison d'ĂȘtre a little better.

    I believe you hit the nail on the head with that statement. This episode was very underwhelming, and I believe it is all in the editing. Cut and paste doesn't always work as we've seen in some previous episodes where some re-shooting and editing has been necessary to explain events that don't happen within the world of the CM. The explanation of the killer's desire to get over his own fears and traumas by keeping meticulous notes about the reactions of his victims is never fully realized. We see him turn off the light in his office to sit in the dark a few times, but we don't get the continual reinforcement we need to understand that this is HIS greatest fear. When he gets transported back to his childhood after dumping his last victim in the pit in the basement it is almost too much because it hasn't been fully fleshed out before.

    The concept could have been horrifying, but I don't think the editing did the storyline justice. While the elevator scene was laugh-out-loud-funny, what was it doing in this episode about debilitating fears? Reid and Morgan are afraid, but knee-slapping afraid, not I-feel-sorry-for-them afraid. Granted this was the spark that allegedly gave Reid the last piece to the puzzle to figure out the unsub, but I think he could have gotten that notion without the elevator scene. Were the directors/producers afraid (ha!) the show would be entirely TOO scary without the comic relief? Why? They've certainly given us extremely scary before.

    I, too, loved the Prentiss/Reid moment on the sidewalk, when Prentiss does not let Reid get away with his "I'm smart and keeping you at a distance with it" comment about his memory. But, again, this interrupted the flow of looking for the unsub. And Reid's demeanor immediately afterword in the laundromat - "They have a snack machine" - is a little too light for this investigation as well.

    So, "B-" from me. (With some "A" moments)
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    michaelhanergod

    [35]Oct 12, 2007
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    kirke_novak wrote:

    This episode made me really uncomfortable and anxious. I understand now why Mandy decided to leave - I definitelly wouldn't be able to star in a series that is so dark as well. I can watch "Bones" while eating breakfast but this level of psychological torture is waaaaay beyond my level of comfort. Once again, I am left with a question - how can anyone by such a monster and still consider themselves a human being.

    Mandy didn't leave because of that. There were many rumors flying arround nobody knows why hee left only himself.

    Criminal Minds is supposed to be a dark show. It is like the great serial killer and suspense thrillers you have seen on the big screen. And how you can eat breakfast while watching Bones is beyond me its way worse then CM. Bones has mutilated corpses with bugs eating the face of the corpse. Can you really eat breakfast watching that? Yet CM has never shown anything like that. They show bodies but not as disgusting as CSI and Bones does

    CM is more psychological and the terror is in your mind. They are not showing us it but Bones is

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    noamjen

    [36]Oct 12, 2007
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    michaelhanergod wrote:
    is more psychological and the terror is in your mind. is

    Exactly, and that's why I love this show. I want it to get "darker" in the sense that we'll get to see more smart and twisted criminals.

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    kirke_novak

    [37]Oct 12, 2007
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    [QUOTE="michaelhanergod"]
    kirke_novak wrote:
    And how you can eat breakfast while watching Bones is beyond me its way worse then CM. Bones has mutilated corpses with bugs eating the face of the corpse. Can you really eat breakfast watching that?


    Because I'm used to it. More than once I had my arms elbow deep in guts, it has absolutely no impact on me whatsoever. It's just flesh and bones - what's to be afraid of? A person with a mind so perverted that he can indiferently watch a human being slowly dying and take notes - that scares the hell out of me.
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    Profilersgirl

    [38]Oct 13, 2007
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    [QUOTE="kirke_novak"]

    michaelhanergod wrote:
    kirke_novak wrote:
    And how you can eat breakfast while watching Bones is beyond me its way worse then CM. Bones has mutilated corpses with bugs eating the face of the corpse. Can you really eat breakfast watching that?
    Because I'm used to it. More than once I had my arms elbow deep in guts, it has absolutely no impact on me whatsoever. It's just flesh and bones - what's to be afraid of? A person with a mind so perverted that he can indiferently watch a human being slowly dying and take notes - that scares the hell out of me.

    I'm used to such pictures, too. I have absolutely no problems to watch CSI, Bones, ER or any splatter movie while having dinner. My good friends call me "the Icequeen" because I never twitch. lol

    What scares the hell out of me, are movies/shows where the psychological horror is very intense. Like "the Skeleton Key" or "the Others". "Revelations" made me twitch for the first time. Every-time the Unsub shot and you just heard the "click" because there was no bullet in the compartment... torture.

    I stopped breathing while watching Scared to Death, when the Unsub put his "patient" under water... and then his creepy, quiet voice "Is it worse than you thought?" very scary. But blood, flesh and whatever non of this gets to me!

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    BAUCTU

    [40]Oct 13, 2007
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    There's lots of things I loved about this episode: the elevator scene was funny, a nice Prentiss/Reid scene and the Hotch/Morgan scene on the plane.

    So what didn't I like? I don't know really, the case was abit 'paint by numbers' and really not worthy of the BAU, or at least it all seemed abit too obvious to me. Do we really need 3 top FBI agents checking launderettes etc for something like that?

    A very good Hotch episode so I'm mostly happy. It's good to see that he has someone to be there for him now that Gideon has gone. The picture he was loking at at the beginning, was it a painting by Jack?

    Edited on 10/13/2007 3:37pm
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