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Official discussion thread: "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy" - Spoilers

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    phf3947

    [1]Dec 6, 2011
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    Please discuss "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy" in this thread. This episode was written by Erica Messer and directed by Charlie Haid.
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    nhcool_007

    [2]Dec 7, 2011
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    LOVED it.
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    JessieMarie2

    [3]Dec 7, 2011
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    ok so let me start off to say this i am a huge criminal minds fan i am beyond obssed and also to say this is only my 2 time posting anything on tv.com


    so this ep was prob rated at 7.5 for me. i dont like strauss one bit and i thaught the plot and the characters were confusing and i was never really able to get into the story for that reason. i was also disapointed bc in the info for the ep it says hotch and morgan get into a fight i beleve and to me it was wimpy! morgan siad some things to hotch than hotch said some things back and morgna walked away! i persoanlly was exspecting after everything morgan has held in through this season and the end of season 6 for morgan to yell at lot more and express more feeling! hopefully this doesent go away bc i feel like morgan is holding alot more inside and than 2 of all WHAT THE HECK! i was looking forward for one of the characters to be in jepordy to me that means life on the line or summtin compleatly to go wrong! i was thinking reid or jj or even prentiss woukld be shot held hostage or summtin other than struss to have a drinking proublem that only 2 peoplke know about (as far as we know) so as i was aying not a very hapy criminal minds fan! please tell me the old profiling will come back and things will get better!


    quick note when did morgan get his own office i know he become the supervisory special agent in the 5 season when hotch left for a few ep bt i thught he went back down to the bullpen correct me if i am wrong

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    REIDFANATIC

    [4]Dec 7, 2011
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    JessieMarie2 wrote:
    quick note when did morgan get his own office i know he become the supervisory special agent in the 5 season when hotch left for a few ep bt i thught he went back down to the bullpen correct me if i am wrong


    I think Morgan got his office at the end of "The Eyes Have It" I believe. I could be wrong about the episode but I don't think he ever came back to the bullpen.


    I actually quite enjoyed this episode. I thought in the beginning that it was Josh and here we go again with the unsub right from the beginning but it ended up not being that way which was a pleasant surprise for me. There wasn't a lot of profiling but I can live with that occasionally.


    I, too expected a bit more of the "Morgan and Hotch butt heads" thing and it was a surprise that the team member in jeopardy was Strauss. She never strikes me as one of the team. I wonder if this was what was being alluded to at the end of season 6 when she had to take some time off and at the beginning of the season when she was popping mints in "It Takes a Village".


    Of course I would have liked more Reid but I can't have everything.

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    lynna12000

    [5]Dec 8, 2011
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    I thought this was one of the best cases of the season. The mis-direction where the suspect was concerned was very well done. Seeing the team ACTING as a team was a nice touch.

    I have mixed feelings regarding the Strauss/Hotch/Morgan storyline. Strauss has never been one of my favorite characters, but I'm not sure I buy the 'Strauss has a drinking problem' storyline. The writers haven't completely sold me on it.

    I didn't like the way Morgan was acting. Morgan is NOT the team leader, Hotch is. Morgan had a chance at a team of his own, but he didn't want it without Hotchs' approval? And now, he questions every decision that Hotch makes? It feels like the writers are doing a 180. It's also more in character for Hotch to have confronted Strauss without a witness. Having subordinates along when you confront your boss about a sensitive issue can be bad for morale.

    Minor quibbles aside, this was an episode I really enjoyed.
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    Tirill

    [6]Dec 8, 2011
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    Why do I feel like I´ve seen this episode before? The buildings, the case and even some of the military people felt really familiar to me.


    Anyone else got that feeling? Don´t get me wrong, I liked the episode, but it just felt like I´d already seen it a long time ago.

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    CM1Fan

    [7]Dec 8, 2011
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    I absolutely loved this episode. I think it was the best one so far this season. I guessed that the colonel was guilty but could not figure out how, why and who else was involved until the end. The twists and turns were great suspense. I really got lost in the story.


    I also was surprised by Strauss's issue. There was some reason she had to go away last season. I never expected it to be because of drinking. But it is certainy credible. I thought the ending with Hotch confronting her with Morgan and Morgan escorting her out was fantastic. Even though Hotch and Morgan had a bit of a disagreement, it was great to see them do the deed together. Morgan's issue with Hotch is understandable, given the secrecy with Emily and I thought it got opened nicely. I hope this was a little teaser and that we will see more of Hotch and Morgan working on this together in future episodes. I hope it gets resolved in another episode too.


    With Strauss going to rehab (I am assuming) Hotch has a chance to become Director at least temporarily and Morgan can be team leader again. I think it opens the door for lots of role variations for the future. I feel excited about the next episode to see what the writers will do with this.


    Again...loved this episode. Thanks.

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    iuredhead

    [8]Dec 8, 2011
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    I found the case storyline didn't really grip me tonight. It was good, just doesn't stack up to some of the other awesome episodes CM has had before.


    The Strauss arc really came out of left-field for me...just didn't see that one coming. I guess I was expecting the storyline of her needing the time away to have to deal with cancer or something along those lines, not a drinking problem. I do find it believable, however since she's a recurring character, we're not going to be able to see the signs or symptons as we would if she were a primary character. I really thought the "intervention" with Hotch and Morgan at the end was terrific. Given the history between Strauss and them and knowing that Hotch had prior knowledge of her problem, it could have turned out differently. Once Morgan knew her secret that "cat would be out of the bag" and Hotch could her basically toss her under the bus, so to speakand ruinher career. Instead, they are seeing that she gets help. Awesome amount of compassion out of those characters.


    Has it occurred to anyone just how many secrets or how much Hotch knows about everyone and everything? That man is carryingaround a lot on his shoulders.I thought about the Reid comment in The Fisher King about how everyone tells him (Reid) their secrets because they know he doesn't have anyone else to tell them to. I think Hotch is really the one that knows everything about everyone.


    Thanks for letting me share my 2-cents worth.


    Jeri

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    SeerMagicX

    [9]Dec 8, 2011
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    I watch this with a few other people. we all agreed this is one of the worse episode of the series. it wasn't the actors fault. terribly directed & edited episode. melodrama was so over done I thought I was watching a high school special on PBS.

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    JessieMarie2

    [10]Dec 8, 2011
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    SeerMagicX wrote:


    I watch this with a few other people. we all agreed this is one of the worse episode of the series. it wasn't the actors fault. terribly directed & edited episode. melodrama was so over done I thought I was watching a high school special on PBS.



    i tottaly agree with you! i was unhappy with this ep!!!! and so were many of my friends. i thught there was to much going on and to many characters! and it was not as good as i thught it was going to be/ as good as the previews made it look



    HOWEVER! i am going to re watch it and focus alittle more! maybe i will think it is alittle better. and to all of u who liked the ep i can defently see why u liked it but i guess i miss just alot of profileing and all the old ep!

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    lynna12000

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    I liked the fact that there was a mystery. The team may not have been profiling, but they were certainly working at putting the pieces together. What was especially nice was the fact that team was flexible enough to change their theories as they went along.
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    Moniquedee

    [12]Dec 9, 2011
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    I am in between on this episode. The case was interesting. What I really didn't see was just the inreaction between the team; firstly Strauss being there made the team feel less loose. Whenever Garcia travels with the team it is always something good, I didn't get that this epsiode. There were just too many people, I could see that from the briefing with JJ not speaking. It was liike they weren't a team just a binch of people together.
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    CM1Fan

    [13]Dec 9, 2011
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    iuredhead, you are right. Hotch does know a lot of stuff about each of the team members. I think that is fairly normal for a team leader and he manages the secrets well. I remember in one episode, telling Reid to finish the movie, but it was about Reid going back to an AA meeting. In this episode he coud have really cut the rug out from under Strauss. But he is professional and compassionate and pushed her to get help. I think the writers did a great job on that and I am glad that is the way it went.
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    Alydarbaby

    [14]Dec 10, 2011
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    Tirill wrote:

    Why do I feel like I´ve seen this episode before? The buildings, the case and even some of the military people felt really familiar to me.


    Anyone else got that feeling? Don´t get me wrong, I liked the episode, but it just felt like I´d already seen it a long time ago.

    The Col. played on Deep Space Nine. He was a security officer Odo.
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    Alydarbaby

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    I just knew no one in the main core would be in danger. It just seemed like they were going to twist it somehow and they did. This wasn't my favorite episode but it was a switch up on what we are used to. Given that I suspect there won't be many like it. I did however like the ending. It's about time someone took Strauss down a notch. Having to deal with a parent who is an alcoholic I think they showed that she is a bit human. More than often they tend to go off and on the wagon. It seems she is no different. I wonder though how the team may change with the prospect of her possibly not being above Hotch. That is what concerns me more.

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    CMJunkie

    [16]Dec 10, 2011
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    *shrug* I liked it ok... not old school CM but I am beginning to think those days are long gone. For the "new" CM I liked it. Just needed some more profiling.
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    REIDFANATIC

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    Alydarbaby wrote:
    The Col. played on Deep Space Nine. He was a security officer Odo.


    Oh man, you're really making me feel my age. I remember him as the rich guy on Benson!

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    lynna12000

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    REIDFANATIC wrote:

    Alydarbaby wrote:
    The Col. played on Deep Space Nine. He was a security officer Odo.


    Oh man, you're really making me feel my age. I remember him as the rich guy on Benson!



    I can remember seeing him on my friends' laser disc the M*A*S*H movie. He was the original Father Mulcahey.
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    rerich

    [19]Dec 11, 2011
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    Morgan got to keep his office. This is appropriate since he was, and maybe still is, doing part of Hotch's paperwork. This means Hotch should trust him and I believe he does. He picked Morgan to run his beloved team after all. I think Hotch would not talk about anyone's drug problem to someone else, As Long as he thought they were Getting the Help the needed. And he told Morgan she was. Does he run around telling everyone about Reid's drug problems?



    He had to include Morgan in the intervention because Morgan was upset with him for not telling, because he needed a witness, and he needed help with Strauss. And Morgan already knew there was a problem Personally I am glad to see how the mighty have fallen. Hotch offered to help her before and as usual she is so dumb about people she wouldn't take him up on it. She could never have been a field agent; typical desk jockey.

    Edited on 12/11/2011 12:57pm
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    rerich

    [20]Dec 11, 2011
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    To add some more:


    I thought this was the best episode they'd had since season 5. It may not have been the best, but that just goes to show how bad season 6 was. It does seem to be getting some of its groove back, but there is still too much unsub. Previously, only about two shows a year focused on the unsub and they were usually my least favorite. They focused on Josh in this one and made you think he must be the unsub and yet you felt there was something wrong with that idea at the same time and there was. So that at least made a nice twist to all the unsub scenes we have had this season and last.


    I loved Josh saluting the colonel as they put him in the car under arrest. That reaction was a very nice touch.


    But I have somewhere else to be on Wednesday nights and I record CM. I have been very grateful for that. And even now I am having to fast forward over too much unsub. Too Much.

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