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    scooterstarr

    [21]Jan 14, 2010
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    Definitely a creepy episode. I got the "uncanny valley" effect for sure. They looked so much like dolls!
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    sunsethill

    [22]Jan 14, 2010
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    This was an extremely eerie episode and the make-up and wardrobe of the victims was outstanding. Reid was the man of the hour. His performance was one of his best yet. The storyline was good but the details were less than credible.

    The unsub obviously was mentally disabled which is understandable due to her pig of a pedophile father. However, to maintain one person on an IV for an extended period of time requires fairly advanced medical training. To maintain three people simultaneously with a continuous infusion would almost require the knowledge and equipment of an intensive care unit. Even if the unsub were capable of keeping the IV's functional, to dose them with life-threatening paralytic medication for up to two months defies credibility. Also, the unsub would have been responsible for nutrition, bathing, urine and feces removal, etc. This is just not possible, given her situation.

    Overall, it was a good episode and very suspenseful. To say that the show rated a "10" is to detract from the episodes that really did deserve a "10."

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    Larexx

    [23]Jan 14, 2010
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    A super great, super creepy episode. I was happy to see Reid back on his 2 feet & front & center in this episode. I always found it interesting that Gideon always won their chess matches & was intrigued by Reid's new found total domination of the game. This episode showed just how confident & mature he has become. His analysis & compassion to the unsub & how he gave it to her doctor father was fabulous! The "Dolls" were excellent. Their makeup was perfect & how they were able to act using ONLY their eyes to show fear, sadness & anger was just outstanding! And thanks for reminding me that the doll collector is the same woman who shot Booth in Bones. My sister will get a kick out of that fact!
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    highwaykind

    [24]Jan 14, 2010
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    Great episode, very creepy indeed!
    Fun to see Reid during some time off!
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    amaryllis88

    [25]Jan 14, 2010
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    What an episode!! Loved Penelope's new hair color, it suits her quite well!! That was disturbing that their profile changed genders immediately, with Prentiss remarking about the care that each woman had received, especially the way they were posed on carnival/children's rides. They just looked lonely instead of discarded like trash.

    I knew I recognized that woman, scarey how she'll be forever type-cast as the deranged looney, as somebody previously mentioned. Very "Silence of the Lambs-ish" when she was needing help getting the wheelchair into the van, but good play, did not see the taser coming though, I was wondering how she was going to subdue her. She had interesting facial expressions when it came to doin up her dolls, and to think that she was trying to recreate them from actual dolls from when she was a kid. How does one's reality and fantasy blur so much that they can no longer separate the two? Also, she was capable enough to sustain the victims' thru an IV, I wonder where she got her training from?

    The father was even creepier than his daughter, that's amazing how Reid figured him out though, I didn't really think anything of him, until of course they mentioned the room with the lightning, I didn't really see him as abusing other little girls, and then giving her dolls away to them. Loved the dramatic ending though, Reid truly owned this episode, and loved to see him up and moving around again, I bet he is too!

    I did enjoy his time with the boy at the end playing the chess game, it sorta brought me back to his relationship with Gideon, and everything that he's been through. Does the title refer to "The Valley of the Dolls?" Wasn't that a book or something? Interesting obsession to have, and not intending to kill her victims, but death was just a symptom of her obsession. I liked the variance to their theory on that.

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    CRaivios

    [26]Jan 14, 2010
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    The episode was so excellent, I forgot to mention Penelope's new hair color. Red sutis her!
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    haldrey

    [27]Jan 14, 2010
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    Superb and kind of eerie episode. I also agree, Penelope looks great as a redhead.
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    sunsethill

    [28]Jan 14, 2010
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    "Valley of the Dolls" is a novel and movie from the '60's. The book was written by Jacqueline Susann and dealt with some very controversial topics such as abortion, drug addiction, and pornography--hot stuff for the 1960's! The movie was also very controversial and centered around three women embarking on careers. Patty Duke, Sharon Tate(murdered by the Manson Family in 1969), and Susan Hayward. The "dolls" were barbiturates(downers) which are highly addictive and were used the help them sleep after all the stimulants they consumed keep them going. They all ended up in the "valley" of depression and Sharon Tate's character commits suicide.

    The title apparently didn't come from "Valley of the Dolls," but the loose similarities are a bit uncanny--three women, paralyzed by addiction to sleeping pills, being manipulated by others. and death for one of the characters(earlier victims in "Uncanny Valley"). As Patrick Jane would say, "There is no such thing as a coincidence."

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    phf3947

    [30]Jan 14, 2010
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    Copied this from the note I added when I added the episode: The title of this episode refers to the hypothesis that holds when robots and other facsimiles of humans look and act almost like actual humans, this resemblance causes a response of revulsion among human observers. The "valley" is a dip in a proposed graph of the positivity of human reaction as a function of a robot's lifelikeness and explains why almost-human-looking robots scare people more than mechanical-looking robots.

    Would anyone agree that we felt revulsion when we observed the dolls?
    Edited on 01/14/2010 1:59pm
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    OctoberGirl9

    [31]Jan 14, 2010
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    Loved this ep, so happy to see MGG back on his feet and throwing out punishment again. My love for Garcia just went up, her hair matches mine!! love her. I'm both facinated and repulsed by this ep. That's how you know you've made a winner.
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    sh3109

    [32]Jan 14, 2010
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    Great episode. Creepy... Seemed like an episode from the earlier seasons -- something I miss when I watch some of the recent episodes. And it is nice to see how all the characters have developed. I say this cause Reid would not have been so upfront to the seriously messed up doctor/father in the early episodes.
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    Finnegan77

    [33]Jan 14, 2010
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    phf3947 wrote:
    Copied this from the note I added when I added the episode: The title of this episode refers to the hypothesis that holds when robots and other facsimiles of humans look and act almost like actual humans, this resemblance causes a response of revulsion among human observers. The "valley" is a dip in a proposed graph of the positivity of human reaction as a function of a robot's lifelikeness and explains why almost-human-looking robots scare people more than mechanical-looking robots.

    Would anyone agree that we felt revulsion when we observed the dolls?
    Ha! I'd say that's a resounding "Oooooh yeah!" to that one, phf. Almost human looking gives me the wiggins!
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    pamhalpert

    [34]Jan 15, 2010
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    I think I reached my breaking point on Creepiness!. Kudos to the actress that gave that performance. You have to admit, the writers of this show are sick in the head.
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    phf3947

    [35]Jan 15, 2010
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    Agree that Rosalie Ward did a remarkable job with that part. One can only imagine how hard it is to pretend to be paralyzed except for her eyes, and then portray a character by using only her eyes. Extra special kudos should go to Anna Foerster, the director. Simply amazing!

    As far as the writers being sick in their heads, I don't agree. They just have really great researchers to find the material. Simon Mirren actually has to leave the research for his episodes in his car overnight because he doesn't want it in his house because it's so disturbing.
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    tellygirl

    [36]Jan 15, 2010
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    phf3947 wrote:
    Copied this from the note I added when I added the episode: The title of this episode refers to the hypothesis that holds when robots and other facsimiles of humans look and act almost like actual humans, this resemblance causes a response of revulsion among human observers. The "valley" is a dip in a proposed graph of the positivity of human reaction as a function of a robot's lifelikeness and explains why almost-human-looking robots scare people more than mechanical-looking robots. Would anyone agree that we felt revulsion when we observed the dolls?

    I looked up the definition of the term "uncanny valley" when I became curious about the title after I saw the preview, and after watching the episode I know exactly what it means - I can't remember another time where the actual victims creeped me out! The make up in this episode was superb, the women looked beautiful and eerie at the same time but crucially, if the hair and clothes were modern then I doubt that the effect would have had such an impact, they really did look like dolls and as Emily might have said they also looked so "lifelike"!

    It was wonderful seeing more of MGG and I was especially relieved to see that he managed to walk without a cane. I love the way Reid's mind works but I also find his sensitivity towards certain unsubs so endearing, although he has matured a lot since the early episodes and can be assertive when necessary, I loved the confrontation with Samantha's pig-of-a-father, what a dirtbag! Poor Samantha reminded me of Kathy Bates in "Misery" for some reason, the actress who played her (Jennifer Hasty) was great!

    I might be wrong but didn't I read that Hotch struggled with this case? He seemed fine to me or was I reading the wrong episode summary? All in all though, I absolutely loved this episode

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    CMJunkie

    [37]Jan 15, 2010
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    The actresses restricted to using on their eyes were amazing!! And the make-up.... freaking crazy, yet so smooth and beautiful.

    Maybe making something out of nothing... but after they have the Unsub in custody, Rossi says "Good job, Agent Reid" or something to that effect. Maybe because the chess / Gideon references made Gideon on my mind, always calling him "Dr Reid" to be sure he isn't treated like a kid. Maybe be calling him "Agent Reid" Rossi was hinting our good Dr is all grown up now? Or a nod to his being more than just a brilliant mind? *shrug*

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    phf3947

    [38]Jan 15, 2010
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    tellygirl wrote:
    I read that Hotch struggled with this case? He seemed fine to me or was I reading the wrong episode summary?

    That original info came from the press release, and I removed it after broadcast. Whatever it was probably ended up on the cutting room floor. Poor us
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    baquip

    [39]Jan 15, 2010
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    Great performance by Gubler. But I found the profile way too predictable! I figured out key aspects of the profile just by watching the preview!!!!!! I thought the plot was original (but CREEEEEEEPY!!!!), just the profile seemed so easy to figure out!!! Does anyone one else think so too, or am I paying too much attention in my Psychology class?
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    StarbucksAddict

    [40]Jan 16, 2010
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    phf3947 wrote:
    lillyland wrote:
    And can I just say Dr. Reid OWNED this episode.
    Totally agree, LL. It was definitely worth the wait for his knee to heal. Matthew knocked it out of the park with this outstanding performance.

    I totally agree man! give the emmy/people's choice award to the make-up/wardrobe/script/director and everyone else, this is the creepiest episode I've ever seen and it was sooo good I saw it 3 more times!

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