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CSI: Crime Scene Investigation

Season 9 Episode 7

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda

Aired Sunday 10:00 PM Nov 20, 2008 on CBS
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Episode Summary

The CSI teams investigates the death of a woman, married to a man who committed murder twelve years ago. In the meantime, the fate of Natalie Davis is being decided...

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  • Dealing with past.. in many ways

    So, all of the cases have some kind of dealing with past underline..

    First it is a man whose wife is murdered and daughter seriously injured and who was main suspect in murder years ago and the victims family seems to be behind this murder now and it unfolds quite tragic events that were not planned and they all end up dead..

    And then there is that silly smash postbox thing what storyline I did not like at all. They seemed to have fun but that's all.

    The major thing on this episode was Natalie.. and they deciding that she is ready to go to prison and Grissom, searching answers he does not know.. and then finding the last miniature.. it was shocking ending...moreless
  • This episode reminds me of those CSI episodes in early seasons where the team was split up for different cases as on a typical night.

    I really miss those typical CSI scenes: Gil assigned cases to the team, the partnership of different members and how they solved the cases. This episode does bring back those things. Natalie's confrontation with Gil is not as compelling as expected. I don't think the "change" issue should had had such a huge impact on Gil. Nick's case was easy, but at least the laughs and jokes he shared with Catherine and Hodges help to bring back the cheerfulness of team. BTW, Greg has changed a lot, he looked so old and his mischievousness has gone.moreless
  • The miniture killer is back

    In this episode of CSI, the following happens. We open this episode with a mother and daughter being found by paramedics in their house with gunshot wounds. Luckily the little girl still has a pulse and is rushed to the hospital. When the Husband/father returns home and discovers the crime scene, he flips out and hits a cop. The team soon discover the little girls cell phone not far from the house, all smashed up. We soon learn from the Husband that he has been receiving death threat through emails. Also in this episode Grissom goes to see the Miniature Killer. We soon learn that the Husband may have been involved in a murder a couple of years before and has since changed his name. We son learn that the daughter of the man who the Husband killed, went to his house to ask him what really happened. But he wasn't there and before she knew it she had shot the mother and the little was unconscious. We then see her shooting him and then cops shot her too. It all ends in a bloodbath with the loss of 2 lives. Now a little girl has been left as an orphan.moreless
  • To much going on...

    I think this episode had too much going on. First we have the Rowe murder. Then we have the two teenagers playing mailbox baseball. Finally we have Grissom dealing with Natalie. I thought there was just to much and it got to be overwhelming. I thought the mailbox baseball case was just a filler of time which I thought would have been better spent on the Rowe Murder case. The Rowe case as well the the mailbox baseball to me just ended to abruptly. However Natalie's end, in which Grissom finds hopefully his last miniture seemed right some how. Gil's question on whether or not people can change I think is a question for the ages.moreless
  • It was cool to see Nathalie again. But I was expecting more from the miniature killer.

    It's pretty cool to see Nathalie again. I was suprised a bit to see Grissom during nathalie's hearing(?). This was the first time I saw Riley [I haven't seen the other season episodes]. And I thought she did ok. It's strange to see her in Sara's place but I'll give her a chance. I hadn't the woow what an amazing episode feeling afterwards. I was expecting more about the miniature killer. That she planed a murder from her jail. So I was a bit dissapointed. The rest of the team did some good police work and I think the storylines were a bit simple.. maybe even too spimple for CSI..I don't know. I have some mixed feelings.moreless
Joshua Malina

Joshua Malina

DA Monroe

Guest Star

Joey King

Joey King

Nora Rowe

Guest Star

Loren Dean

Loren Dean

Peter Rowe

Guest Star

Archie Kao

Archie Kao

Archie Johnson

Recurring Role

David Berman

David Berman

David Phillips

Recurring Role

José Zúñiga

José Zúñiga

Detective Chris Cavaliere

Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (1)

    • After Sara's rescue in the Season 8 premiere "Dead Doll (2)," Natalie Davis (the miniature killer) was sentenced to therapy where she dealt with her fear of bleach. At the end of the episode, she's transferred to jail where she plans to hang herself (Grissom finds a miniature in her therapy room depicting this act).

  • QUOTES (16)

    • Natalie (to Grissom): You're wrong about me. I really have changed. ... I have changed and I really do believe that people who do bad things need to be punished.

    • DA Monroe: Then you are here for revenge?
      Grissom: I don't care about revenge. I have no stake in the outcome of these proceedings. Whether Natalie stays here or goes to prison is at the discretion of this court. I've been trying to believe that people can change, even people who are damaged. But I don't know if they can ... I just don't know.

    • Natalie: I'm very sorry for what I did to Sara and to you. My foster father killed himself because of me. I was wrong to blame anybody else for it.
      Grissom: Is that how you really feel? Or is that how you think that you should feel?
      Natalie: I understand if you don't believe me. Psychopathic personalities are very often skilled at mimicking genuine emotion. But I'm truly sorry.

    • Natalie: I wasn't suprised to see you yesterday.
      Grissom: You weren't?
      Natalie: You wanna make sure that I go to jail. I understand that. People who do bad things need to be punished.
      Grissom: Well, I think that you're already being punished.
      Natalie: Then why did you come here?
      Grissom: The only time I ever really saw you, you weren't yourself. I wanna see the person that you really are.
      Natalie: Well, here I am. ... Is Sara gonna speak at the hearing too?
      Grissom: No. She doesn't work with us anymore.
      Natalie: Because of what I did to her?
      Grissom: I don't know.

    • Nick: These guys were playin' mailbox baseball. That would explain the weird fracture to his right arm.
      Catherine: You're serious?
      Nick: Oh, yeah. I'm dead serious, it's really fun. (Catherine's eyebrows shoot up) ... When you're a bored teenager who's feelin' destructive. If you knock the box cleanly off it's post then that's a homerun, everything else is just a base hit.
      Catherine (amused): That's pathetic.
      Hodges: Actually, it's awesome.
      Nick (smiles): It's a release.
      Hodges: Y'know in high school, in chem club, I once painted iodine berilium on the inside of my best friend's desk drawer. Let it dry over night, so when he opened up the drawer the next morning, he got this 'poof' explosion of pink powder in his face. (Nick and Hodges laugh) For no reason.
      Catherine: While this is all very fascinating, and really quite sad, and while it might explain the roots of violent crime; it doesn't explain why you didn't find a bat at the scene or how a mailbox full of air could shatter an arm. Recess is over. (leaves)
      Nick: And did it go in his mouth?
      Hodges: Oh, yeah, it went in his mouth. He's walkin' around school like a lizard. (sticks his tongue in and out a few times, as Nick and him laugh)

    • Riley: Log on to Facebook lately, Doc?
      Doc Robbins: I've been a little busy.
      Riley: That's too bad. I just schooled you in Logolous. Played 'quilt', crossed the 'T', made 'ire' into 'tire', on the double word score, 36 points.
      Doc Robbins: Very impressive. (after they go over his findings on the body) Oh, I almost forgot. I played 'quartz' off of your 'Q', with a triple word score of 72 points. So much for youth and enthusiasm.
      Riley: I look foward to old age and treachery.

    • Hodges: If the car veered on to the shoulder then one tire is on the asphalt while the other is spinning on the gravel; which would activiate the ABS... And you did find this gravel in the soft top, right?
      Nick: Mmhmm.
      Hodges: But you do not appear to be convinced.
      Nick (looking at pictures of the scene): The shoulder was undisturbed. We're still missin' somethin' there, Columbo.

    • Nick: Well, maybe the arm just broke itself.
      Doc Robbins: Well, that'd be a first.

    • Peter Rowe: I didn't kill anybody, okay?!
      Brass: Yeah, but bodies keep piling up around you. Why is that? You just havin' a string of bad luck?
      Peter Rowe: Listen, I think I know who might've killed Janelle.
      Brass: I think I do too...

    • Nick: Take a coupla high school kids, put 'em in a fast car, add a few beers and a driver with a lead foot, throw in an unexpected obstacle, and a little bit of physics, ... (looking at the car which is smashed into a tree) ... and what you get is a very abrupt end to a party on wheels.
      Det. Caviliere: You just described my whole senior year, which admittedly ended better than theirs.

    • Greg (after watching Peter Rowe come home and freak out): No one should have to come home to this.
      Grissom: Yeah, but was it grief or guilt?

    • Greg (looking at the crime scene that is filled with medical supplies): Leave it to the paramedics, they keep things interesting.
      Grissom: Yeah, well, life does take priority.

    • Catherine (upon seeing Nick and Hodges play mailbox baseball in the parking ramp): Nicky, for god sake's are you tryin' to break your arm?
      Nick: Relax. We tried it on the dummy first. If it didn't break his arm, it's not gonna break mine.
      Hodges: It became clear through our experience that it would take something far more massive to generate the force necessary to cause the fracture in the victim's arm.
      Nick: We're thinking telephone pole, sign post … I want to go back out to the crime scene, and check it out.
      Catherine: Then why are you guys still in here smashing mailboxes?
      David: Because its fun … My turn.
      Nick: I'm gonna go a little bit faster than you did last time.
      David: Please go faster …
      Catherine: And I wonder why I'm still single.

    • Nick: Whatever stabbed him, it wasn't that tree.
      Hodges: It was, uh, treated hardwood and white ash, known for its durable bending quality and hardness. Not unlike me.
      Catherine: You didn't learn anything in sensitivity training, did you?
      Hodges: I took what I needed and I left the rest.

    • (Greg finds a bullet lodged in a phone book)
      Greg: Hey, look what I found. I let my fingers do the walking.
      Riley: What does that mean?
      Greg: Never mind.

    • Peter Rowe: You think I did this? (Brass just looks at him with a questioning look) I want to see my Nora. I want to see my little girl.
      Brass: She's in Desert Palm Hospital. Severe head trauma. She hasn't even regained consciousness yet.
      Peter Rowe: I want ... I want to see her now.
      Brass: We're going to see her, okay, when we're done. Now, help me out. Think about this. Who would want to do this to your wife and daughter?
      Peter Rowe: I don't know.
      Brass: So what do you think, it's just a tragic, random act of violence?
      Peter Rowe: Why don't you tell me? That's your job.

  • NOTES (3)

    • International Episode Titles:
      Czech Republic: Kdyby, třeba, možná (If, Possibly, Maybe)

    • Original International Air Dates:
      Australia: March 1, 2009 on Channel 9
      Norway: March 10, 2009 on TVNorge
      Belgium: June 1, 2009 on VT4
      Germany: September 17, 2009 on RTL
      Finland: September 30, 2009 on MTV3
      Spain: October 27, 2009 on AXN
      Czech Republic: February 18, 2010 on TV Nova

    • Music Featured In This Episode:
      Dura- Ratatat
      Rock and Roll Train- AC/DC
      Sweet Jean- King Lewman
      War Machine- AC/DC


    • (Greg finds a bullet lodged in a phone book)
      Greg: Hey, look what I found. I let my fingers do the walking.

      This is in reference to Media ads about the Yellow Pages: "Let your fingers do the walking."