Season 6 Episode 20

Tales from the Undercard

Aired Friday 9:00 PM May 05, 2010 on CBS
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Episode Summary

The dispute between two construction workers ends up in a gruesome way when the body of a former boxer is found under a solid block of concrete.

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  • tales from the undercard

    Another sports-themed episode and another entertaining one as well for CSI: NY. No big name guest stars like Danica Patrick last time, but the story was well-told froms start to finish making that unnecessary. Not only was the story fast-moving, but it was a great commentary on the struggles of retired boxers and the injuries that come with the sport. As a sports buff the episode did not insult my intelligence and that is always a plus.

    CSI: NY's ratings are down this year, and I really do not know why. The show has been putting on some really great episodes this year.moreless
  • a gladiator is found buried alive in concrete...

    Ok... It was a nice chapter but a totally filler one... Not a single mention to Shane Casey... I liked that all the characters were in and although it was slightly Mac centric it had a good deal of everyone in it. No DL moments either they just were in the same room once in the whole chapter.... Very little Stella but I liked Lindsay and her working on the field with Hawkes. And Danny not appearing until minute 10?? that has to be the first time this happened!!

    The story was a good one and quite emotional but not great. A one time great boxer that ends up buried alive in concrete after an illegal fight...

    All in all, good filler...*rolls*moreless
  • Great episode! Worth watching.

    I love this show. I would have to say this is my favourite show on TV. This episode was great! I liked how they showed you how they got the body out of the cement block. For once, I was surprised at who did it and how. It was a great twist. Knowing full well that if Joe went into another fight he wouldn't live through it due to his brain injuries. His old trainer hooked him up with this fight. It was done out of greed on the trainer's part. Joe 'The Gladiator' fought because he missed it.moreless
  • Mac and the team investigate the death of a retired boxer whose body was found encased in concrete at a construction site.

    Many times during its run "CSI: NY" has proven that it is just as good a show as the original "CSI" and "CSI: Miami." A big reason why the show works so well is its first rate cast. Once again Gary Sinise gives an excellent performance in this episode. The final scene when he confronts the man who killed the victim is a highlight of this episode. Despite its flaws (How exactly did the "killers" know about the construction site?), this episode is definitely worth seeing. The footage of the amature fights posted on the internet defintely looked very genuine.moreless
  • |Very straight forward and predictable.

    In this episode of CSI New York, the following happens. When a body is found under a solid block on concrete at a construction site, the CSI team are called in to investigate. When they finally manage to get the body free, they ID him. We learn that the victim Joe was an amateur fighter. From the evidence we learn that on the night he died, he won a fight, but the damage done in the fight, killed him. So basically his death was an accident, but his body was dumped by his so called manager/friend/family and the man who arranged all of the fights. But as the episode ends we learn that Joe was in a coma-state when he was buried alive, in cement. Overall not as good as I was hoping for. CSI New York normally is an excellent how, but this episode lacked something. It was just too predictable for me.moreless
Gary Sinise

Gary Sinise

Detective Mack 'Mac' Taylor

Melina Kanakaredes

Melina Kanakaredes

Detective Stella Bonasera

Carmine Giovinazzo

Carmine Giovinazzo

Danny Messer

Anna Belknap

Anna Belknap

Lindsay Monroe

Robert Joy

Robert Joy

Dr. Sid Hammerback

A.J. Buckley

A.J. Buckley

Adam Ross

Ken Moreno

Ken Moreno

Joe Carthage

Guest Star

Graham Beckel

Graham Beckel

Telly Gines

Guest Star

Brendan Fehr

Brendan Fehr

Al Branson

Guest Star

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Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (5)

    • The apartment Danny and Flack search has the same music posters that can be seen in episode 2x14 Stuck on You.

    • Goof: The concrete mixer is too small to provide with some 5 feet of concrete. Also, such amount of concrete doesn't set stone hard in 48 hours, and it doesn't make sense that the constructions workers would have left the mixer loaded and ready to be poured overnight. It is also striking that the workers didn't question where that concrete mass had appeared from. Moreover, Al Branson and Telly Gines give the concrete a pretty smooth finishing not to be professional construction workers.

    • Goof: When Sid and Hawkes are breaking the concrete to get to the body, the scan shows Joe Carthage's arms in a different position than during the first scan at the construction site.

    • Goof: The Norsemen, or so called 'Vikings' ('viking' was not a name but a verb meaning to go plundering or raiding) did not wear horned helmets.

    • The character of Joe Carthage seems to be based on the character played by Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Both gladiator costumes bear a big resemblance.

  • QUOTES (30)

    • Hawkes: Who says you can't get blood from a stone?
      Mac: Bigger question: is it human?
      Hawkes: (Makes the test) Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

    • Flack: (At the construction site, turned crime scene) What we got here is a good old-fashioned Brooklyn Labor dispute.

    • Hawkes: There's definitely someone buried under this concrete, Mac. Judging from the radar image, it looks like our vic was laid lengthwise under this slab. Also looks like his arms are in a defensive position.
      Mac: This wasn't just a body dump. Our vic was buried alive.

    • Stella: I spoke with the site foreman. The replacement workers have been getting threats from the strike guys for weeks.
      Mac: Lost wages and benefits are ample motive for murder.

    • Stella: A man takes a big risk crossing a picket line.
      Mac: And this concrete tomb just might be a message.

    • Sid: Cases like this bring the term 'John Doe' full circle. It was first used as a legal placeholder during property disputes. Seeing this, I can't help but wonder exactly what type of dispute led to our John Doe's demise.

    • Lindsay: (After testing a chain's resistance) It's true what they say. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

    • Hawkes: Hey, what's up?
      Adam: A It's Christmastime in Hollis, Queens.
      (Hawkes makes a face)
      Adam: I'm serious. The trace found under our vic's fingernails is Christmastime in Hollis, Queens, also known as a blend between marijuana and Salvia Divinorum.
      Hawkes: Salvia Divinorum?
      Adam: It's an organic enhancer for marijuana. It's kind of like a coffee sweetener but for weed.

    • Adam: Put this in your pipe and smoke it. I got an address. What up?

    • Flack: Who the hell are you?
      Colby Jenkins: Me?
      Flack: Oh, no, I'm sorry. The, uh, guy behind you there.

    • (Colby is about to smoke weed)
      Danny: Put it away.
      Colby Jenkins: But it's all legal because of my illness.
      Flack: What illness?
      Colby Jenkins: Brain cancer.

    • Mac: So what are we talking about here?
      Hawkes: Something you have to see to believe. (The body has been lifted from the concrete block) A gladiator.

    • Mac: There's something familiar about this gladiator. There used to be an amateur fighter who entered the ring dressed in armour very similar to our vic. Joe 'The Gladiator' Carthage. A three time amateur fighting federation champion.
      Sid: And you believe this might be him?
      Mac: I'm not sure. Last I heard, he retired from boxing.
      Sid: Well, he definitely wasn't in fighting shape leading up to his death. Aside from marijuana use, the tox report indicates a high level of alcohol in his system.
      Mac: Not exactly the breakfast of champions. So why was he dressed for a fight?

    • Telly Gines: Rabbit, you're blessed. You're blessed with God-given talents. Yours just happen to be beating the crap out of people. Now use it!

    • Telly Gines: (About Joe Carthage) I trained him his whole career. I was the only family he had.
      Mac: When we found him, he had drugs and alcohol in his system.
      Telly Gines: Well, boxing caused him a lot of pain. Everybody's got their own medicine.

    • Lindsay: How does a guy who's not supposed to fight end up in the fight of his life?

    • Yvonne: Joe was charming. He was a good worker. And in a place where everybody complains, he was the only one who didn't. He just did his job, even when things got dicey.

    • Rick Contoursi: Super Janitor should have stuck to what he does best: mopping up beer. The guy was a wiseass. Not wise enough. His ass is dead.

    • Flack: Your grandfather Marco's in prison on five counts of murder.
      Alex Contoursi: And you think we're living up to the family name. I take that as a compliment.
      Flack: Is that why you wanted to kill Joe Carthage? To live up to the family name?

    • Alex Contoursi: My brother and I... we're not what you think we are.
      Rick Contoursi: With our last names, we have to carry ourselves a certain way. But we didn't kill anybody, okay? Especially not a guy crazy enough to wear gladiator gear. We never made a move, okay? We just wanted a story to tell our friends. You know, keep our reputation. Look, this won't be made public record, will it?
      (Stella rolls her eyes)

    • (At the site of the illegal fight, by a wall that's been covered in blood)
      Danny: What kind of audience watches this?
      Hawkes: And who was the main attraction?

    • Danny: Mac, I got something you need to see.
      Lindsay: You're not going to believe this.
      Adam: Honestly, whatever they've got can't be weirder than what I have.
      Mac: Whoa, one at a time here.
      Hawkes: Blood samples from the office space match our victim.
      Lindsay: That office space is our crime scene.
      Hawkes: I also found blood from other sources. Could be the killer's.
      Danny: Well, that backs up my find. I found a partial print in the wall spackle that doesn't match our vic.
      Adam: A bone analysis here. The fragment that they found inside Joe Carthage is a match to the bone fragment I found in the office wall. All right, but get this. It's whale bone.
      Danny: That is weird. You win.

    • Lindsay: It looks insane but it's Blood and Guts brawling. It's an underground wrestling league where people dress up as different personas and then fight each other in unusual locations.

    • Lindsay: (About Blood and Guts brawling) It's all about spectacle. The bloodier, the better. They get ten million hits on the internet for these fights.

    • Lindsay: It's all for show. Their weapons are hollowed out. They're not supposed to actually try and kill each other.
      Hawkes: So our vic gets dressed up in his old gladiator armour, leaves his job at the bar and heads to an empty office space for some Blood and Guts brawling?
      Mac: Carthage knew the risks of getting hit in the head. It doesn't add up.

    • Flack: Al Branson, you're under arrest for the organization of illegal fights.
      Al Branson: Oh, come on, man! This is how I make my living.
      Flack: Yeah? Find a new line of work.

    • Mac: We have evidence that you attacked Joe with blows to the head. That's felony assault.
      Erik Overson: How was I supposed to know the guy had brain injuries?
      Mac: You put yourself in a reckless situation. You knew there were risks involved.
      Erik Overson: Not like this. You know how many times I've hit guys? You know how many times guys have hit me? What was that guy doing there anyway?

    • Mac: I'm back for round two. That's right. Don't talk. You're a busy man. Trainer by day, burying bodies at night.

    • Mac: You were Joe's family. You knew his situation and you still exploited it for your own good.
      Telly Gines: I ain't the one who hit him on the head.
      Mac: The Viking had no prior knowledge of Joe's health conditions. There's a defense there for him. That was an accident. This was murder. Like a snake in the grass, you took advantage of Joe's passion for fighting because of your passion for money. You convinced him he was healthy and you led him to slaughter.

    • Telly Gines: If you'd seen Joe in that barroom... he was a champion reduced to nothing. I gave him his dignity back. For one brief moment before Joe died, at least he lived again.
      Mac: Except you don't have the authority to make those decisions. And you're wrong
      about something. He fought his heart out. He fought to the very end the way he did in every fight. He wasn't dead. You buried him alive.

  • NOTES (5)

    • Joe Carthage's character was originally named Joe Roman.

    • The official CBS press release for this episode included a subplot in which Shane Casey is using Danny's debit card and Flack is trying to track him down. Even though it didn't make it to the final cut of the episode, a flashback to it can be seen in episode 6x22 Point of View.

    • Steven Fidler, a construction coordinator, helped co-writing this episode.

    • Original International Air Dates:
      Canada: May 5, 2010 on CTV.
      United Kingdom: May 22, 2010 on Five.
      Czech Republic: July 10, 2010 on AXN.
      Spain: July 27, 2010 on AXN.
      Turkey: August 22, 2010 on CNBC-e.
      Sweden: September 20, 2010 on Kanal 5.
      Norway: October 27, 2010 on TVNorge.
      Germany: February 7, 2011 on Vox.
      Slovakia: May 31, 2011 on JOJ.
      Finland: July 13, 2011 on MTV3.

    • Brendan Fehr, who plays Al Branson, has a recurring role on CSI: Miami as Dan Cooper.

      Anthony Molinari, who plays Jimmy Allen, also appears in the episode 4x06 Boo.

      Ken Moreno, who plays Joe Carthage, also appears in the C.S.I. episode Mascara.

      Brian Oerly, who plays Lester Rhodes, also appears in the C.S.I. episode All In.

      Fernanda Andrade, who plays Yvonne, also appears in the CSI: Miami episode Wet Foot/Dry Foot.

      Graham Beckel, who plays Telly Gines, also appears in the C.S.I. episode I Like to Watch and in the CSI: Miami one And They're Offed.

      Drew Tyler Bell, who plays Alex Contoursi, also appears in the also appears in the C.S.I. episode Deep Fried and Minty Fresh and in the CSI: Miami one Collateral Damage.

      Jess Allen, who plays Erik Overson, also appears in the C.S.I. episode Willows In The Wind.


    • Al Branson: I arrange a location then about hour before each fight, I twitter, text or e-mail the time and place.

      Twitter is a social networking and microblogging service created in 2006 by Jack Dorsey. It enables its users to send and read short messages up to 140 characters long known as 'tweets'.

    • Colby Jenkins: I think the Muppet Babies is hilarious.

      Jim Henson's Muppet Babies is an American animated television series that aired in the late 80's on CBS.